Here are some links I thought useful:
Feel free to ask me anything the links and talk pages don't answer. You can sign your name by typing 4 tildes, like this: ~~~~.
Sam [ Spade] 21:04, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
If you must write out pi instead of using the lower-case Greek letter, why in the world would you capitalize it? I've never seen it done that way. It's always lower-case even when it's at the beginning of a sentence. Michael Hardy 22:13, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
There are currently severe technical problems with categories, so please be patient about your mistaken link (from the Helpdesk). Once the category problems are solved your problem will be too. - Erolos 11:26, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Hi Adam, how much more info needs to be added to the article Maeander River before we remove the stub tag? My opinion was that this is an adequate amount for the topic, but i'm new ;-). Regards Paul August 04:25, Aug 6, 2004 (UTC)
Hi Adam, I wouldn't say I thought it was "as complete as can be" but I do think it's complete enough. Is that enough? ;-) Paul August 04:39, Aug 6, 2004 (UTC)
Hi Michael, have you ever heard of this term before? Does it have wide usage? Paul August 22:03, Aug 11, 2004 (UTC)
I've never heard of it either. It was created by the same guy who created Folk mathematics, and who both may be User:JRR Trollkien. I'm wondering if this is a made up term. Paul August 06:54, Aug 12, 2004 (UTC)
Hi. Seeing as you were once previously interested in a naming convention, I'd like to invite you to vote on adoption of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (television). Voting is taking place on the Talk page and ends on Sep 13 2004. -- Netoholic 23:25, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Oh, my creations are finally get rid of by you! Nice drawings, thanks. :P - wshun 13:18, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)
No objection for deletion. - wshun 15:45, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Thank you for being alert and moving quicker than I to reverse the imaginary notion, presumptuously delivered as fact, by "Lupin" that zero can be defined as an integer both positive and negative. Wikipedia would degrade into gibberish if someone did not catch such irresponsible remarks wherever they occurred. -- OmegaMan
At some point in the past you expressed an opinion on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television). I have instigated a new poll on that page. I am hoping that this poll will properly allow all users who have an interest in the subject to express their views fairly before we come to a consensus. I have scrapped the poll that was previously in place on that page because I believe that it was part of an unfair procedure that was going against the majority view. I am appealing to all users who contribute to that page to approve my actions. I would appreciate it if you could take the time and trouble to read the page carefully and express an opinion and vote as you see fit. Mintguy (T) 16:43, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)
This page has a long and tortuous history, but the short version is that Netoholic (who has gained something of a reputation for acting without the agreement of other users, and now has an RFC against him for that very reason) started moving pages before there was a general agreement, several users complained about this but Netoholic took no notice. I suggested that we hold a new poll to establish a true consensus. I suggested to User:Gtrmp that he prepare such a poll. While he was doing this, Netoholic once more acted without the consent of the majority and instituted his own poll which was configured to either endorse or reject his unilateral movement of pages, and did not offer users the chance to make other suggestions. This poll was defeated by a clear majority, but Netoholic took the decision to extend the deadline. At this point I created the poll that you now see on that page. The poll is open, and is open to further embellishment should you wish to extend the list of options. I have not set a close date as I believe I have already imposed myself too much on the process. I am therefore a little disappointed to see your name in the disapprove section. However as I've just indicated, I do not intend to impose myself too much on that page other than to stem Netoholic and his inability to treat other users with respect. So I invite you to discuss the matter of additional options, and the deadline for the poll on that page. BTW I should point out that I originally prepared a poll in a similar format to that on user:Gtrmp's page, but several users complained that it was overly complicated, so I simplified it to what you see now. Mintguy (T) 21:30, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Thank you for your contribution to one, or more, articles that are now organized under Data management.
Because of your previous intrest, you are recieving an invitation to become a founding member of the Data Management Wiki Committee.
The members, of course, will form and solidify the purpose, rules, officers, etc. but my idea (to kick things off) is to establish a group of us who will take responsiblity to see that the ideas of Data management are promoted and well represented in Wikipedia articles.
If you are willing to join the committee, please go to Category_talk:Data_management and indicate your acceptance of this invitation by placing your three tilde characters in the list.
KeyStroke 01:04, 2004 Sep 25 (UTC)
Thanks for the note you made on my user page. I'm attempting to do a re-author as we speak, which is more going to focus on my Wikipedia material, but is going to hopefully retain some text from me at the start. Just to let you know it's happening.
Matt
(To user 12.151.135.2, copied from his/her talk page. Paul August)
You are making inappropriate edits to: Boston Lyric Opera. Please stop. For example your last edit removed the following:
"It was founded in 1976. Its home base is the Schubert Theater in Boston.
It stages three to four productions a year with promising young singers, directors, conductors and designers.
The BLO attracts a public of some forty thousand people a year."
You give no reason for this deletion. Why did you remove it? Are these statements factually incorrect? Removing content without giving an appropriate reason is a violation of Wikipedia policy. Please see Wikipedia:Avoiding_common_mistakes. Knowingly, and repeated making edits of this sort is considered vandalism, and can result in being banned from Wikipedia.
Other of your edits appear to violate the policy that Wikipedia articles should be written from a neutral point of view please see: Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Some of the information that you tried to add to this article might be useful, if it were written "neutrally", in accordance with the above policy. This also applies to the edits you've made to Opera Boston and Opera Company of Boston.
You are a new user and you're probably unaware of Wikipedia "standards and practices" for article edits. Hopefully, you're well-meaning rather than willfully malicious. If so, since you seem to know a lot about the Boston opera scene, you could probably make some valuable contributions.
If you would like to discuss any of this, you can do this on the article's talk page Talk:Boston Lyric Opera or mine Paul August 13:54, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC)
(To user 12.151.135.2, copied from his/her talk page. Paul August)
Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Paul August 12:30, Oct 5, 2004 (UTC)
(to user 12.151.135.2, copied from his/her talk page. Paul August)
Thank you for replying to my message about your edits to Opera Company of Boston, Opera Boston and Boston Lyric Opera. I'm sure you do know more about the Boston Opera scene than I do. I think some of the information you have provided is quite interesting, especially concerning the history of the OCB, it could and should be incorporated into the article. But the problem with what you wrote is that it was not written from a neutral point of view (in fact as Viajero said on my talk page, it sounded like it was written by someone "with an axe to grind"). Unfortunately that kind of writing just isn't appropriate for an encyclopedia, and it is in violation of the policies and intent of Wikipedia. I think you do have some valuable information to contribute, and I would like to see it incorporated into the Boston Opera articles. If you would like, I'd be willing to help. If you would like to know in more detail what the problems are with the edits you made, I'd be happy to discuss that, perhaps together we could add some of your edits back. Wikipedia has allowed you the privilege of editing these articles, and in return you are expected to conform to the guidelines which have been developed by Wikipedia, it is only polite to do so. Regards Paul August 19:41, Oct 5, 2004 (UTC)
(to user 12.151.135.2, copied from his/her talk page)
You seem to disagree with the policy stated in: Wikipedia:Neutral point of view (Is that true? Did you read it? If not it might be helpful if you did, also you might want to look at: Wikipedia:NPOV tutorial). If you don't want to follow this policy, then Wikipedia is not the place for you. Fortunately, there are lots of places on the internet which will allow you to write whatever you like ;-) By the way I'd like to say that I'm not unsympathetic to the particular point of view you have been expressing in your edits, I think I share some of it. In fact I might try to add some of the stuff you wrote back to the articles, but I will have to do some research - can you provide any other sources besides the ones already given? Paul August 13:27, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)
Hi, In case you're un-aware, I thought you might be interested in the the edits going on at Opera Company of Boston. You also might want to look at Opera Boston and Boston Lyric Opera. Paul August 21:04, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC)
You're welcome. Some of the content added to Opera Company of Boston seemed useful, but I don't know enough to be able to NPOV it. I live off of Sherman street next to Danehy Park, in North Cambridge. Where did you live? Paul August 21:11, Oct 1, 2004 (UTC)
Brilliant job. The Successors are hard to get straight. I hope you'll worm your way through every one of them. Thanks for alerting me! Wetman 05:52, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
You'll find the answers to your questions on my talk page User talk:PHG. Regards
Good work on this article, I like this article's footnotes especially. Hopefully we can pursuade the Mediawiki coders to put in the ability to hide footnotes for those complainers who do not like them :o).
My way of doing fact checking is a little different, by quoting the fact then finding multiple sources. This way you dont have to have multiple footnoes after each fact going to difference sources.
As well, having the footnotes autonumber, quote the text in my way of doing it, and the ability to hide the footnotes and the footnotes markup will be good. The coders have not been that interested in putting this in, and frankly i dont really know who is in charge of putting in this feature. Hopefully they will find us :). -- ShaunMacPherson 04:34, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Salutations Gene Ward Smith,
I think your edits to infinity, especially your most recent ones, are a vast improvement over what was there before.
I have a few concerns though about your edits and with what you wrote on the talk page, that I'd like to discuss with you.
In your first round of edits, you deleted large amounts of content with no discussion and without the benefit of a consensus. This is widely considered to be a violation of Wikipedian norms of conduct. It is also important to be especially careful about deleting content. If it is wrong, then it's generally held to be better to fix it. If it is out of place, then it's generally held to be better to move it. Being a relatively new Wikipedian, perhaps you are not aware of this.
Also, I don't think it is helpful to call lysdexia's edits "vandalism". His edits were no more "vandalism" than yours were. As I said above your edits would be considered by many to be contrary to established norms, but I don't think they would qualify as vandalism. Nor, in my view, were lysdexia's reverting your edits vandalism. He was merely trying to undo what he and many wikipedians would consider to be inappropriate edits.
As for the content of your edits, as I said above, and on Talk:Infinity, I like, for the most part, what you've added to the article, but I'm concerned about some of the content that you deleted. For example I'm not convinced (yet!) that all the mathematics should go. I think this should be discussed on the talk page, and a consensus reached.
Also, you may not have noticed, but after lysdexia reverted your original edits, I added back your "Use of infinity in Physics" section edits, with some additional edits of my own. You have now eliminated all of my edits. Was this intentional? If so would you mind telling me what you found wrong with them? Reverting edits without discussing why tends to make people unhappy.
It's great to have another math PhD, contributing to Wikipedia. There are several professional mathematicians working on wikipedia, by the way, three good ones that I know are: AxelBoldt, Charles Matthews, Michael Hardy. I myself, have a PhD in categorical topology, as well as "a background in philosophy", so we should get along famously ;-)
Paul August 06:27, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)
I don't know how to correspond other than by editing this page, so here I am. You wrote "In your first round of edits, you deleted large amounts of content with no discussion and without the benefit of a consensus. This is widely considered to be a violation of Wikipedian norms of conduct." However, we are told "be bold", and it doesn't take much boldness to see that removing material which is simply wrong is a good idea. Can you point to one single sentence in the introduction I removed which has any value? If so, we could talk about restoring that content, but if not, what would be the point in worrying about it? I think a concrete discussion focused on "You removed X, but X actually made sense and you didn't replace it with Y doing the same job" would be where to start.
I wrote a lot of good stuff and he took it out, and replaced it with what I regard as garbage. Why is that not vandalism? In any case delicacy with my manners went out the window when he introduced the adjective "stupid".
It is impossible to have an intelligent philosophical discussion of the concept of infinity and ignore mathematics, so this is a red herring.
I didn't think I eliminated your edits, so I'd better check. Certainly, that was not my plan.
Good! I've not made as many contributions as AxelBoldt or Charles Matthews, but mine are pretty substantial by now. Gene Ward Smith 07:23, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Hi Gene Ward Smith,
Thanks for responding to my post on your talk page. I've copied your response (above) to make it easier to follow the discussion.
Yes we are told to be bold, but sometimes what one editor thinks is "simply wrong" another editor thinks is "a lot of good stuff", so we have to work together here by striving for consensus. We can discuss specific X's removed and/or replacement Y's, but much of my concern has to do with process.
For example your edit of 19:14, Oct 16, removed the following:
Use of infinity in mathematics
In mathematics, infinity is an unbounded quantity that is greater than every real number. [1]
- This definition is wrong, and in particular "unbounded quantity" makes no sense. The substance was retained in the discussion of infinity in real analysis.
A distinction is made between different "sizes" of infinity because it can be shown that some infinite sets have greater cardinality than others. Georg Cantor developed a system of transfinite numbers, in which the first transfinite cardinal is aleph-null (), the cardinality of the set of natural numbers.
- This was rewritten and retained.
- All of the text in this section was deleted by you on Oct 16th (see: edit history) leaving this version of the article [2] correct? Your edits on Oct 31st added back this content. My concerns were about edits of Oct 16th. Paul August 20:09, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)
The modern mathematical conception of the infinite developed in the late nineteenth century from work by Cantor, Gottlob Frege, Richard Dedekind and others, using the idea of sets. Their approach was essentially to adopt the idea of one-to-one correspondence as a standard for comparing the size of sets, and to reject the view of Galileo (which derived from Euclid) that the whole cannot be the same size as the part. An infinite set can simply be defined as one having the same size as at least one of its "proper" parts.
- Again, this was not removed, it was edited.
- This was removed on Oct 16th, it was edited and added back on the 31st, correct? (see above) Paul August 20:09, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)
Thus Cantor showed that infinite sets can even have different sizes, distinguished between countably infinite and uncountable sets, and developed a theory of cardinal numbers around this. His view prevailed and modern mathematics accepts actual infinity. Certain extended number systems, such as the surreal numbers, incorporate the ordinary (finite) numbers and infinite numbers of different sizes.
- Ditto.
Our intuition gained from finite sets breaks down when dealing with infinite sets. One example of this is Hilbert's paradox of the Grand Hotel.
- Didn't change a word of this.
It is worth mention that the infinite cardinal numbers (relating to set theory) and the infinity commonly encountered in algebra and calculus are two completely different concepts. In algebra and calculus, 2∞ is not technically a number, but taking a limit yields 2∞ = ∞. Real numbers are not used to measure the sizes of sets, so ∞ can be used for any quantity that grows indefinitely at a limit. The corresponding statement in set theory is that 2ℵ0 > ℵ0 because the former term is uncountable, while the latter is countable. Exponents in set theory are not the same as regular exponents in high school mathematics, the former using cardinals or sizes and the latter using ordinals or amounts, and ∞ is not the used or treated same as aleph null.
- This repeated stuff already discussed, and was removed as redundent. The discussion of exponents in set theory was irrelevant to the topic.
"bounded" versus "unbounded"
In mathematics, the term bounded is use to designate a set whose elements in a container of finite size. More formally, the set is said to be bounded if there exists at least one point c (center) and a positive real number r (radius) such that the set , where is the set that contain all the points than are less or equal to distance r from c, in both directions, contains all the elements of Z; . Z is unbounded if, for any c and any r, does not include all elements of Z.
- This is wandering off the topic; if something like this is to be included, it should be much more concise.
This is the mathematical way of answering the riddle, "How long is a piece of string?" by showing that the [imaginary] string has a length shorter than a[n imaginary] string of longer length.
- This is just bad.
For the above definitions to make sense, we have to have define what we mean by distance, We must define a metric to be in metric space. If it is not, the terms "bounded" and "unbounded" are meaningless. However, the term '"infinity" is meaningful even without a metric.
- Again, metric spaces are off-topic.
These definitions of bounded and unbounded are the same, regardless of whether point c is part of Z, or whether or not is exactly equal to Z.
It can be easily shown that
- If a set is finite, it is bounded.
- If a set is unbounded, is infinite.
However,
- If a set is bounded, it is not necessarily finite. For example, a segment is bounded but has an infinite number of elements.
- If a set is infinite, it may not be unbounded.
If a set is bounded, we can define a diameter of the set:
Where is the distance between z and y in set Z. We take the maximal returned after considering all permutations of z and y.
The diameter of a set is always a positive real number or zero, if the set is bounded. It can be zero if and only if the set is empty or has only one member.
If the set Y is unbounded, we can write but it must be understood that this is only a convention for stating that Y is unbounded. It does not literally mean that the diameter is infinite.
- This isn't a very good discussion, but the main thing wrong with it is that it is off-topic.
Calculus and mathematical analysis
A very common use of infinity is in calculus and mathematical analysis, for example:
The article isn't about freshman calculus, even if that is where a lot of this discussion seems to be coming from. This is included to the extent it needs to be in the real analysis stuff.
Infinity is not part of the set of real numbers; and cannot be used in places where a real number can normally be used. For example, is true, but is undefined. Over the mathematical explanation and by logic, arithmetic operations, those based on counting, are undefined for infinity within arithmetic mathematics for expression and solution. But within logic the statement is also true; however, infinity not being bound produces indeterminate solutions wherein a 0 or any other solution may be or already is true if the expression is defined, which is an arbitrary task. This explanation is absent from any maths level treatise of infinity.
- This could be worked up into a discussion of the arithmetic of infinity used as a symbol for a limit, but as it is it isn't up to snuff, and is misleading at best.
There are only few cases when you can consider ∞ as a regular number. In these unusual cases, you are in the so-called extended real number field, denoted by
- Good link, but needs editing. "Regular number"?
In limit analysis, we can make statements which include the theoretical case that we almost put infinity in the place of a real number, for example . This states that as x continues to grow in magnitude (tends towards infinity), 1/x becomes closer and closer to zero (tends toward zero). The limit case, is undefined; however if x was the largest finite value known to us, 1/x would be the closest finite value to zero known to us. Here, "undefined" means that the solution is not in the set of real numbers; this only repeats the axiom that infinity is not a number.
- Is a discussion of limits carried on to this extent relevant to the topic? It's not "limits", its "infinity".
Limits do not literally consider the case of x=∞ If the definition did include ∞, the properties of the definition change, and some properties that were valid before may no longer be valid. For example, when you extend the definition of integrals, you get improper integrals. Without fully understanding this and correctly assessing the consequences of using infinity in place of a real number, error and paradox may occur. For an example, see the explanation of why the mean of the Cauchy distribution is undefined.
It is important to note that not all limits, series and integrals are convergent.
In the usual ordered real number field, it is common to distinguish between +∞ and -∞.
- Ditto.
Can't you see that, even if some of the above is less than perfect (which I think it clearly is;-) removing such a large amount of content without discussion might upset the many editors who may have collaborated in writing it?
As I said above, in my opinion (an opinion shared by many other editors) if content has any value at all, it is better to try to fix or move it rather than delete it.
Are you really saying that all of the above is "simply wrong", has no "value", makes no "sense" and that you regard it as "garbage"?
I am pleased to see that in your recent edits you have reincorporated some of the deleted content above, often improving on what was there before. Perhaps other deleted content might also be profitably reincorporated? I would be happy to be specific if you are interested in discussing this any further ;-) I would like to help in any way I could ;-)
Also if you wish to construe what lysdexia did as vandalism fine, but then don't you see that, by the same token, what you did above might also be construed in the same way? I was just trying to convince you that, just like it is unhelpful for lysdexia to use the word "stupid" the use of "vandalism" might also be unconstructive. (see Wikipedia:Vandalism for what most wikipedians mean by that term, you might also want to look at Wikipedia:Wikilove) I'm not trying to defend lysdexia, some of his actions and remarks (IMHO) have been less than than polite. But if you are simply trying to get back at lysdexia, by "responding in kind" please notice that calling his edits "vandalism" and "garbage", can be seen to tar with the same brush, the five dozen or so other editors who have worked on this article, like me ;-) Was that your intention?
Paul August 17:10, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)
>>Why are you changing "A ∩ B" to "A ∩B", this looks better to you? <<
Howdy and many thanks for your work on that list of mis-punctuated links. The list's pretty much completed now - I'll be generating a new version of it in due course, taking all the lessons learned from the last one into account. In the meantime, if you enjoyed working through the list (or at least found it a worthwhile distraction), you may want to have a look at the similar list of plural discrepancies which highlights red-links that might be red because they (or the article they are aiming for) are improperly pluralised. Again, thanks for your efforts - award yourself a wikimedal for janitorial services if you haven't already got one! - TB 11:28, 2004 Nov 8 (UTC)
I've tried to address your comments on WP:FAC - note the articles title has been changed to Economy of the Republic of Ireland. CGorman 22:57, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I think you are doing excellent work on Economy of Republic of Ireland. Hope my comments haven't been bugging you ;-) FAC can be a grueling process ;-) I just went through the "gauntlet" myself recently on Attalus I. Paul August 19:49, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)
I went through with Celtic Tiger earlier in the month - they picked on everything! - even my cute little tiger image! Anyways I suppose the criticism will benifit wikipedia in the long run. As for the time changeable nature of the article - I don't see any way around it, all those figures are relevent and necessary to fully describe an economy. Thanks for your constructive criticism. CGorman 19:58, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I agree that the article has to have this time dependent content in it. I'm just concerned about the problems inherent in this, and in ways to ameliorate it, Did you look at Avoid statements that will date quickly? It contains some suggestions for this problem. Also some of the words phrase which contain words like "now" and "recently" and "past decade" could be dated? Anyway I'm not objecting to this article on this (or any) basis. I think it's great! My only concern is to make the article as good as it can be ;-) By the way did you see my comment about the newer intro in the CIA factbook? Paul August 20:26, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)
Yes I read Avoid statements that will date quickly and saw your comment about the newer intro in the CIA factbook, i'll try and act on this soon. CGorman 20:30, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
hey there paul i think it would be great if you could edit the intro back to what it was i just don't have the time now i gotta run pretty quick here-- Larsie 03:51, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads-up about open-ended formulae - I've innocently made the same mistake in Stochastic process and Topologist's sine curve while trying to help out on the Wiki Syntax Project, so will revert them myself. Cheers & Sorry, Danog 19:22, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Hi Paul. After receiving no answer from Silsor and being quite rudely ignored by Arminius about the permanent blocking of GNAA Popeye, I have eventually written this RFC. I hope Silsor will not consider this a personal attack, but it seems like the only way to get the questions answered. Since your questions to Silsor were unanswered as well, I was wondering whether you would consider certifying the RFC? Of course I would understand if you preferred not to be involved, or if you did not feel that strongly about the issue. Thanks. Sam Hocevar 03:16, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
hey there paul i believe it was to be definitive, sorry about the late response. -- Larsie 17:52, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Hi Paul,
Sorry for not responding for so long, I have been trying to give User:Sam Hocevar enough rope to hang himself which not being too bright he proceeded to do. You can read about it at User:Silsor/Sam Hocevar. Popeye and Sam worked together on the RFC and hoped to use you as their dupe in the RFC process, which was a troll attempt. If you have any questions that aren't answered there I'll be happy to answer them without delay. silsor 22:37, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)
thanks for the suggestion, and the encouragement! Slrubenstein 22:12, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Would you look at the recent history of "Postmodernity" and the discussion and comment? [5] Thanks, Slrubenstein 23:03, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hi. You've helped with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Wiki Syntax, so I thought it worth alerting you to the latest and greatest of Wikipedia fixing project, User:Yann/Untagged Images, which is seeking to put copyright tags on all of the untagged images. There are probably, oh, thirty thousand or so to do (he said, reaching into the air for a large figure). But hey: they're images ... you'll get to see lots of random pretty pictures. That must be better than looking for at at and the the, non? You know you'll love it. best wishes -- Tagishsimon (talk)
Hi JessW, I wanted to let you know that I've changed (for the better I hope) the format of the Village Pump archives slightly. I hope you don't mind ;-) Paul August 15:06, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)
By the way, I forgot to mention, what a good job you've been doing there ;-) Paul August 15:08, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)
Thanks, glad you like it. Paul August 19:54, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:
To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:
OR
Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man ( comment| talk)
Hi Paul, Thanks for removing that tag from the Harvard science center article and marking it as a stub. The polaroid-style architecture and collections of old scientific instruments housed there might make the building worthy of an independent article, but the link was just a test I meant to only preview and forgot. Tobacman 23:35, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestosis_-_Compensation_and_Liability_Disputes
Thanks for your contribution.
Significant revision in progress. Please re-visit and comment, if you consider appropriate.
What's going on? I misread Handbook of Mathematical Functions, thinking it wasn't a hoax. Now, after being told by several people it is, I retract my vote saying it's a hoax. For some stupid power-mad reason, I have User:Charles Matthews accusing me of planting it, or having conspiratorial knowledge without any proof, and harassing me to no end. I wish you people, pardon the expression, would just go fuck off. — ExplorerCDT 23:11, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
You're not too much of a bother. I disagree on the importance of it, however. I can't remember off hand what the passages were, unfortunately I'm in the middle of a move and I packed up HoMF a few days ago...otherwise I would check. — ExplorerCDT 23:46, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hello Fennec, on Dec 13th, the FVD discussion for Blunsdon United: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Blunsdon United was deleted (by you) from the Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Old. What was the result? Blunsdon United was not deleted but it still has a VFD tag, and no result is indicated on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Blunsdon United. Thanks. Paul August ☎ 20:40, Dec 30, 2004 (UTC)
Sorry to be a bother, but I'm trying to understand the vfd process better. Can I assume that no concenus was reached to delete Blunsdon United? How can I tell who determined the result? Can I remove the vfd tag from that article (I'm not a sysop)? Is Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Blunsdon United supposed to be updated to reflect a result? Can anyone do that? should I? Paul August ☎ 20:17, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply and taking care of Blunsdon United. I would have been glad to have fixed things myself, but was unsure of whether I had the authority to do so. Paul August ☎ 20:36, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)
(I noticed that you moved my user page back from User:Paul August (bastard administrator). Thanks. I assume some kind soul moved it there. Out of curiosity do you know who? Paul August ☎ 06:05, Jan 8, 2005 (UTC))
See Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress, under "Bastard Administrator". -- Curps 06:16, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
(Copied from User talk:Avsa. Paul August ☎ 22:16, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC))
Hello Avsa. I like your fractal star images, currently being used in the "Featured article" template. But the single "star point"
has a problem. It seems to have two "smudges" a larger one just above an a bit to the left, and a smaller one to the left. Can this be fixed? Paul August ☎ 16:06, Jan 14, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks.
Paul August
☎ 04:28, Jan 15, 2005 (UTC)
(Copied form User talk:Sean Kelly. Paul August ☎ 22:11, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC))
Hi Sean. In the Mathematics article, I noticed that you changed: "Some say that mathematics is not a science at all, rather an art" to simply: "Some say that mathematics is not a science at all" with the edit summary of "woa woa... math is definitely in no way an art". While you may not consider it so, I can assure you that very many mathematicians (myself and the many mathematicians that I know, included) do consider it to be an art. See for example: Mathematical beauty. Or do a Google search on "mathematics as art". Regards, Paul August ☎ 19:01, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)
No I'm afraid I don't share the distinction you make above. Mathematics is no less "physical" than poetry and, in the opinion of many mathematicians, no less artful. I'm not so interested in arguing whether mathematics is or is not an art, rather I'm trying to make you understand that, whether they are right or not, many mathematicians regard it as such. Paul August ☎ 23:05, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)
Dear Paul, thanks for your support. And let me tell you one thing i love about wikipedia: cooperation. The edits you made were great, i'm glad you made them. Cheers, muriel@pt 15:39, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Can you please check out Classical definition of republic, I think the article of Sparta has it wrong on the type of goverment. Please get back to me. Thanks. WHEELER 14:37, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Feel free to post a summary on the WP in math talk page. Perhaps even post it in a new heading to get more attention. Your summary before was good, but if you have something to add to it, go ahead. CryptoDerk 06:10, Jan 31, 2005 (UTC)
I've had some edit conflicts with you recently... I listed that I'd be working in 00 General. Also, you wrote that the WP articles are more complete on than PM's article here. I don't see that our proof articles discuss what PM calls an "existential proof". Can you direct me to where you found this and create a relevant redirect? CryptoDerk 06:22, Feb 2, 2005 (UTC)
Why do you say that the Erdos title is ok now? It looks exactly the same to me. -- Zero 10:53, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
An umlaut is incorrect, that's the point. It is supposed to be a Hungarian mark like an umlaut with long strokes instead of dots. It doesn't work in titles because it is not in the Latin-1 character set. I'll put back the comment. -- Zero 11:10, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
My bad on that one. In my search for a previously existing article I didn't run across it and since we had an article called "Knuth's ..." I figured that if we had one, we would most certainly have one under the name "Conway's ...". That being said, maybe we should try to make them consistent. I'll check the naming conventions if you don't get to it first. Also, just a note regarding stats, by looking at the "What links here" on planetmath & planetmath reference templates you can get some rough stats, but you'll have to manually throw out some pages (of course, this doesn't help you on articles where WP articles are adequate or superior). Regarding SPA, it looks like Oleg's already on top of that, but feel free to move it as appropriate. CryptoDerk 17:00, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
Oleg, are you sure you are not Zundark?
Thanks for fixing my typo, I don't quite understand how this error occured. By the way, are you standing over my shoulder, watching everything I do? I'd better put some clothes on I quess ;-) Paul August ☎ 20:36, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
You hit the nail on the head: on my browser (IE6 on XP-Pro) ∅
displays as an empty box (“∅”), whilst {{unicode|∅}}
displays as the
empty set (“∅”).
You're probably lucky and both display the same.
--
Phil |
Talk 09:18, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)
Hi there Paul -- I posted a long-ish response to your query over at Talk:Theodosius_I#Arians_vs._Homoians. -- Jfruh 21:46, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Hi Paul -- Saw your quite cogent questions and have been thinking of the best way to respond and/or make the article better. Unfortunately I'm under a big pile of real-world work at the moment. Should be able to respond at length in the next few days. Very briefly: The two refernces to "Arians" in the article that you note were originally "Homoians" but changed by the anonymous editor; and the Homoiousions did share aspects of the Arian theology that you cite, with the important difference that they did not view Jesus as "created" or "inferior" as the Arians did. The "homoi" construction was an attempt to avoid the homoousion-homoiousion debate altogether. I've been trying to formulate a new version of the article that is accurate on these subjects without getting into needless depth. More to come! -- Jfruh 01:20, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Hi Paul -- Finally got around to updating Theodosius I, and Arianism to boot. I decided to leave out the "homoian" name, since it's strictly speaking an invention of modern historians. Let me know what you thnk. -- Jfruh 06:30, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I noticed you've done some work on Mathematics articles. I wanted to point out to you the new Mathematics Wikiportal- more specifically, to the Mathematics Collaboration of the Week page. I'm looking for any math-related stubs or non-existant articles that you would like to see on Wikipedia. Additionally, I wondered if you'd be willing to help out on some of the Collaboration of the Week pages.
I encourage you to vote on the current Collaboration of the Week, because I'm very interested in which articles you think need to be written or added to, and because I understand that I cannot do the enormous amount of work required on some of the Math stubs alone. I'm asking for your help, and also your critiques on the way the portal is set up.
Please direct all comments to my user-talk page, the Math Wikiportal talk page, or the Math Collaboration of the Week talk page. Thanks a lot for your support! ral315 02:54, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I have answered your inquiry over at
Talk:Adolf Hitler.
GeneralPatton 22:50, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
It is standard practice not only on mathematics articles, but on articles in general, to bold the title word and synonyms thereof when they first occur, once. To bold key terms introduces a conflict since these key terms are not synonyms of the title. The best way of proceeding then is to italicise key terms.
I understand where some pages have been merged then the bolding has not been modified, but where this has not occurred, there may need to be a change in formatting. Thanks Dysprosia 00:50, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Too bad- they're ugly. So far as any contrast between significant and reviled, I think it's much more powerful and interesting without the dash, which seems to imply hesitation and qualification, but this amounts to an esthetic thing. Wyss 19:03, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for catching my typo (leaving out infinite) on integer. You also changed:
"Z is an example of a what is called a cyclic group. This follows from the fact that any integer can be expressed as the addition or subtraction of a finite number of 1s"
to:
"Z is a cyclic group, meaning that any integer can be expressed as the addition or subtraction of a finite number of 1s."
However I think the previous wording is better. Cyclic means that there exists a given element a such that every element is equal to a power of a. That Z is cyclic, follows from the fact that 1 (or -1) is such an element.
Paul August ☎ 22:33, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)
"Since" is fine. Paul August ☎ 04:50, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)
I'm amazed at the number of WPans who caught that piece. The interviewer picked a good quote from a long interview. That article highlights the very essence of Wikipedia; not a thousand minor edits punctuated by vandalism, but a dozen major edits punctuated by errors, corrections, thorough analysis and fact-checking. (I particularly like the fact that originally, both the YOB and the coin image were wrong...)
btw, please come to the next cambridge-area wikipedia dinner... Bring family and friends! Last time, someone brought ten guests, which outnumbered the rest of us, but it was still a good time. cf. Wikipedia:Meetup/Boston +sj + 06:14, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The article vanavsos is up for deletion. Can you please help in this regard. Second, I am having difficulty with Wikinfo:Classical definition of republic and am having trouble on Talk:Republic because they won't allow an external link. It was deleted off of Wikipedia, and I believe it needs to come back on. A serious mistake in deleting this article. Thanks for your time. WHEELER 18:36, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I have clarified at Talk:Lesch-Nyhan_syndrome#Accuracy_concerns -- Curps 23:07, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I am having trouble with classical works and definitions. It seems that User:Snowspinner is out to get me and destroy all classical works.
The Arbitration Committee has accepted the request for arbitration against you. Please bring evidence to Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/WHEELER/Evidence. Thank you. -- Grun t 🇪🇺 20:19, 2005 Mar 9 (UTC)
Can I get your help in this regard? WHEELER 14:41, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
There is a page classicists can link up on and it is here at: Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by fields of interest C-D#Classics. I invite you to place your name so that Classicists can find each other and corroborate on things together. Thank you for your time. WHEELER 18:30, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I fully agree with your idea of renaming Von Neumann-Bernays-Gödel axioms to Von Neumann-Bernays-Gödel set theory. Thanks for the kind words and suggestions!
-- Dustinmulcahey 19:12, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi Paul. Maybe nothing will come out of this, and I am still ambivalent about the table, but I had a little time and wrote a small script to spit out the table (the pattern is quite predicatable, and I did not even have to learn the syntax of the Wiki table). Anyway, take a look at User:Oleg Alexandrov/Test page2 to see what I've got. Oleg Alexandrov 20:44, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
After consulting my inner self for the better half of yesterday and this morning, I must honestly say that the reason for writing that script was to indeed show off. (It is hard to fight against the sinful nature :) Oleg Alexandrov 16:30, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi Paul, I much prefer the table, so I'll wait for it to replace the old list. MarSch 15:51, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi Oleg, I've taken your participants table and updated it like so:
What do you think? Besides the two users, stochata and Tomo who have replied in favor of the table on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics, another user MarSch, on my talk page has said he likes the tabular form as well. I would have preferred to have heard from some of the more senior participants, but I'm inclined to go ahead with this anyway, unless you are still opposed. I have to say your script generated table has made it too hard for me to resist, so you are hoist on your own Perl petard, so to speak ;-)
Paul August ☎ 21:10, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
I'm glad you like it. Yes I'm assuming that most people are indifferent. I will go ahead then. Your script made it much easier. Paul August ☎ 21:29, Mar 18,
We have an unmitigated disaster on our hands. Please check out republic. And I don't know what I am talking about. WHEELER 16:35, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi Sannse. FYI, I noticed that you blocked IP 65.39.159.10 for vandalism (I presume). Well the IP seems now to be unblocked and back to vandalizing, see: [ [6]]. Paul August ☎ 14:40, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks Sannse. Yes, I could see that the IP wasn't going on a vandalism spree. But I wanted to give you a heads-up since you had had some experience with the IP. Paul August ☎ 13:32, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
Hi Xiong. I noticed your comment about merging Graph theory and Graph (mathematics) at Wikipedia:Duplicate articles. This was discussed at some length here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#Graph_.28mathematics.29_vs_Graph_theory. The majority view was to keep them seperate. Paul August ☎ 21:38, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)
I'd be glad to help any way I can. But I'm not particularly knowledgeable in this field. You might want to look here Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics/Participants, for people more qualified (besides the other editors of those pages of course). Paul August ☎ 13:41, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
I'm not so inclined, as you, to discount the possible help you might get from the past editors of those articles, as well as others on Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics/Participants (did you look there?) I'm familiar with many of them and have alot of respect for their opinions. Also I would encourage you to discuss your changes on the various talk pages. As for my help, all I can promise is that I will put all of the related articles on my watchlist, and respond as seems appropriate. Please feel free to ask for my input, whenever you like, and I will try to give it, as time, interest and expertise allow. Also I will be away for the next three weeks, on vacation. Happy editing. Paul August ☎ 15:38, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
By the way, as for saying on my user page that I am a topologist (actually it says "Alleged Categorical Topologist"), that's true, however notice it also says that I was "Once Considered Talented", the operative word being once. Paul August ☎ 16:16, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
Hello Paul,
The informations in the table are correct, thanks for the links. I have a lot of work to do these months (finishing undergraduate studies, finding grants for Ph.D), so I won't be much around (today I went to wiki only to check something, not to contribute). I'll return later :-) Chopinhauer 00:24, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Help! Somebody highjacked Paul's account while he is on vacation, and doing all kinds of things in here! Or is it a clerverly devised bot Paul wrote? :) Or does Paul mean this is what vacation means, away from work, able to concentrate on Wikipedia full time? Oleg Alexandrov 17:48, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Welcome back! Hope you had a good time, and are now ready to plounge back in the virtual world. :) Oleg Alexandrov 19:06, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for the kind words. I've done some anonymous editing recently, mainly with category theory (I'm the user who added a bunch of stuff about n-categories and created the new category article. I'll probably return. I needed a little breather. Despite my concerns about the project, it's clear it's going to continue on and grow indefinitely, so it's probably not morally tenable to take the position of avoidance.
What sent me over the edge was the accusation of being racist by another user (indirectly...but it was clear I was an intended recipient of the charge). This was a reaction to my comments at African-American, where I pointed out that there was not a real 100% concensus on the meaning of the term, and that in any case, regardless of whether one chooses to use it or not, it's not entirely neutral and its meaning is contested by some people and cannot be completely disentangled from politics. I went on to point out some logical discrepancies with the term (e.g. many African-Americans have family that have lived in America for centuries, yet we don't call whites "European-Americans" or Hispanics "Spanish-Americans", the term is meant to refer to black Americans who descend from slaves, but then "African-American" is a bit of a misnomer, since not all black Americans descended from slaves are considered "African-American" (e.g. those who migrate from Central America are usually identified by their Central American country of origin), not all Africans (not even all black Africans) living in America are descended from slaves, and under this definition, a black African who migrates to America today is not considered "African-American", so clearly the term is confusing at the least. Nevertheless, for pointing out these facts, I was accused of being "racist".
I have had much less problems editing math articles, so I may come back to this first. The problem of anti-elitism has to be addressed...if Wikipedia doesn't turn around and become a bit more elitist in some fashion, it's going to alienate a lot of academics who were trained in some minimum standards for scholarly work. At the moment, it's possible for someone to present sufficient proof of a claim of fact or conclusion, and yet have it disregarded or eliminated for political reasons. Even more troublesome are issues where bias is extremely subtle, say at the article Galileo. There's been an attempt here to at least introduce the fact that Galilieo was a practising astrologer, that this is something that should be examined in relation to his general contributions, and that there is some issue about his opinions and beliefs about astrology. Yet, the article remains written from the POV of 20th-century science, as scientists get queasy at the idea of even connecting Galileo with astrology in any way. Even the point of not even acknowledging the fact that he drew astrological charts, taught astrology to medical students, and was considered by contemporaries as a working astrologist. (These are just facts, although they should be explained with background of the meaning of the word "astrologist".) This stuff is eliminated on the view that "he only did it for money" or "that's not what's important about him" or some other justification. The point is, this aspect of his life and work get systematically shut out, and it's argued that even mentioning the issue is POV.
I notice you work in category theory! I'm working with John Baez at the moment, writing up some of his "tale of n-category" notes into LaTeX and pdf form for better reading. This stuff is really interesting!
Revolver (not logged in)
Thanks for linking these articles; I had never seen the latter. It does raise the question though what to do with the articles. I see two possibilities: either to have two separate pages dedicated to the simplex algorithm in LP and the Nelder-Mead/downhill simplex method, or to merge the articles. Prima facie, I prefer the first option as they are different algorithms. I'd be interested in your thoughts.
By the way, do you know how widespread the term downhill simplex method is? I only knew Nelder-Mead simplex method, but numerical optimization is not quite my field. -- Jitse Niesen 10:51, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
See what you think, and add/change anything that you think might help. Revolver 22:26, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, to post here but I wasn't sure you'd see it on the subpage since it seems rather neglected, at least in regards to my previous experience with Marshall, Texas and Great Mosque of Djenné. I've noticed you'd made quite a few changes but, haven't added the dab about the origin of his name in the lead and I was wondering if you had chaged your mind about it. Also, if you feel your points have been addressed I would appreciate your support. (You may move or copy my post to the nomination page.) Thanks. - JCarriker 16:34, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)
Please add your comments and sign your name in one of the sections. Thanks. -- brian0918 ™ 21:50, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Please note that I have disputed the neutrality of this article. Jguk reverted my NPOV template, claiming that the NPOV dispute is just a personal campaign of one person. Whig 09:40, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. I've just put a response/question. I think it's good we're both coming up with the same idea in parallel (and great that more people are working on this). Although in the long term we should try to get fewer types of footnotes and agree everything (so we don't confuse people), in the short term, we need to get experience with the advantages and problems of different systems. I don't think we can come up with a template based footnote system which is perfect (though let's hope), but at least we can make very good prototypes which will let us keep the information for the future and know how a proper system should look when built into mediawiki. Mozzerati 05:56, 2005 May 18 (UTC)
Hi R.Koot. Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that you moved Mathematical beauty to Aesthetics in mathematics. Was there any discussion which preceded this? I can't find any. I don't think I like the name change, especially as the article uses the term "beauty" throughout. Paul August ☎ 19:41, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
-- R.Koot 20:14, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi Rudy thanks for your reply. I'm afraid I don't agree with your move. Aesthetics and beauty are not synonyms. Aesthetics might roughly be defined as the theory of beauty. Changing the article to match the title is backwards. The title should match the article, not the other way around. The article is about mathematical beauty, not aesthetics in mathematics. Titling the article "Mathematical beauty" does not prevent it from being classified under "philosophy of mathematics". I'm going to move it back. If you want to try to gain a consensus for moving it to "aesthetics in mathematics" I suggest you make a case on either the article's talk page or on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics. Paul August ☎ 20:52, May 19, 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for stepping in. I was hoping for someone with a clear, levelheaded mind. When i looked at your homepage i liked what i saw and i would like to nominate you for admin. (This is the first time i'm proposing this to anyone, so i'll have to get acquainted with the process.) Would that be something you might consider? — Sebastian (talk) 00:17, 2005 May 22 (UTC)
As per my reply to you on WP:FLC, I'm seriously thinking of starting this next week. Any help you could give would be great. The Cantos list took me months. Filiocht | Blarneyman 13:42, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
I noticed you had some objections to the color scheme used for the language infoboxes, and you made a comment about it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Languages. Though I certainly encourage discussion about this, I think that your critical comment was somewhat misplaced. I recommend that you bring it up at the talk page instead.
Peter Isotalo 17:40, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
Paul, I was wondering if you might have time to do a Venn diagram for the disjoint union of two sets, similiar to your other ones (e.g. Image:Venn A union B.png). I'd do it myself, but I'm not sure what tools you used; it would be better if we had a consistent look. Thanks. -- Fropuff 21:10, 2005 May 30 (UTC)
I was just thinking of the disjoint union of two (disjoint) sets represented by two nonintersecting circles labeled A and B. The point would be to visually highlight the difference between a disjoint union and a general union. -- Fropuff 00:33, 2005 May 31 (UTC)
Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 23:33, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
Many thanks for catching the little obscenity left by some fool on the iBook page. I'm currently working on it, would of probably missed it otherwise! -- Chris Saribay 02:15, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
Hi Paul. I noticed that you are considering making a list of categories of mathematicians. So I thought I would give you the list I have. It is a couple of months old, and it might not be of use to you, but it might avoid some duplicate work if you plan to do anything about that. See User:Oleg_Alexandrov/Test_page. Cheers, Oleg Alexandrov 03:27, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I've made sure that the bookmark links match and resorted the references. Has this taken care of your objection? = Nichalp ( Talk)= 15:11, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)
A references section has been added in addition to the notes. [7] JBurnham 21:38, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I actually found it by searching for
plainlinks, adjusting some to use plainlinksneverexpand
. –
AB
CD 17:55, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
# The category HComp of all compact Hausdorff spaces is a full reflective subcategory of Top; the Stone-Čech compactifications serve as the reflections.
I wrote this in the article category of topological spaces. I read it in an essay in Categorical Perspectives, but it seems wrong, shouldn't it be a full reflective subcategory of Tych, all Tychonoff spaces?? Revolver 12:27, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Just letting you konw that I've replied to your message on my talk page. Theresa Knott (ask the rotten) 15:10, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hi Paul. I want to ask you a favor. Somebody moved gradient to gradient (calculus). This was done without discussion, and without disambiguating the links. I think this is one of those situations in which gradient better stay what it was before; besides the other meaning now put in the gradient disambig page is also mathematical.
So, I wonder if you would agree with me that the thing needs to be moved back, and if yes, if you could do the move (since you have the admin powers). Thanks. Oleg Alexandrov 19:08, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Sorry for the oversight. Farinata degli Uberti appears in Canto X of the Commedia. Now it should be all right. Thanks for your feedback.
Poll There is a poll in the talk page of Macedonian Slavs article here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Macedonian_Slavs#The_poll
Some people are lobbying for changing the article's name to Macedonian without any qualifier. As it seems, a number of these people come from the Macedonian/Macedonian Slav wikipedia project. It seemed only fair to attract the attention of people possibly from the other side of the story. I hope that this message is of interest to you, if not please accept my apologies.
Damn! Just an oversight. Back to Limbo I go. Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:19, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
Paul, I think it would be a good idea to check into the talk page of Islam and explain what you're doing. This is one of the most-edited, most vandalized articles in Wikipedia, and people tend to react very strongly to unilateral changes. I don't see anything wrong with anything you've done so far -- in fact, I just put in a whole bunch of my OWN changes, which went a bit further -- but communicating would make good Wiki-political sense. Zora 09:03, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
not really useful, no. (Unsigned by DanKeshet at 21:32, June 29, 2005 (UTC))
You want to submit it to vfd then? Paul August ☎ June 29, 2005 22:13 (UTC)
The rewording is good, except that in my experience "relative topology" is more usual than "subspace topology" -- Trovatore 1 July 2005 07:30 (UTC)
Hi Paul, there seem to be a lot of requests with very few google hits. I started removeing some of them, but this may not have been such a good idea. Any thoughts? -- MarSch 1 July 2005 22:14 (UTC)
Are you aware that your sig contains an extraneous space after your name in the link to your user page? (...August|Paul August ]] [[User_talk...
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dcljr (
talk) 2 July 2005 01:20 (UTC)
Hi Paul. You are doing great work at List of mathematical functions. However, I am surprised to see things like injective function and additive function appearing there. To me, they seem more like properties of functions than functions themselves. Listing them also seems at odds with the introduction of the article (though we can of course always change the introduction). I am reluctant to remove them and destroy your hard work, but perhaps you could give it a thought? I think that at the least, they should be listed in a separate section. Cheers, Jitse Niesen ( talk) 09:37, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
Fair enough. I am satisfied if you considered the issue I raised. I realize that even names like Airy function do not refer to a unique function, but even though it's not a black-and-white distinction, I still think things like monotonicity should go in a separate section. I might do so some time (if you don't beat me to it). -- Jitse Niesen ( talk) 22:31, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
Hello. Don't get me wrong, I find Johann Sebastian Bach to be among the most significant, intellectually stimulating and influential too. But what does "great" mean, exactly, in that first sentence? If it means what I've just said in my previous sentence, then the article already says that - it's the next sentence! If it has other meanings, let's add them. Also, I really do think "of all time" is redundant. Please would you look at a discussion over at the composers project? Best. -- RobertG ♬ talk 16:36, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
I agree that there should be some indication of Bach's significance stronger than that second sentence, as it is encyclopedic. I'm still not happy with the word "greatest", because it's vague - and as you say it's an abbreviation, I'd really much rather include a modification of your expansion of the abbreviation above (I may try one day when I've more time). I don't accept that "everyone knows what it means" - "greatest" means different things to different people, and there's too much of the peacock and the "top ten" about it. And Britannica doing something is by itself no reason for Wikipedia to follow suit. For now I modified the page according to this bit of NPOV policy. Hope it's acceptable. -- RobertG ♬ talk 06:20, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for sending me your message and for your corrections to the article. I was asking myself: if you incorporate text from more than one source should I template both? You see, I incorporated text from 3 sources in an article i wrote before. A smaller question; why did you change the link for Polybius. Because my source was 1922-27, while your's is 1867, so public domain (even if I believe that also the other is). Thanks in advance for your response. You see, I'm a newbie and I still do a lot of errors. (unsigned comment by Aldux at 18:27, July 14, 2005 (UTC))
I just wanted to thank you for all the corrections you made to the articles on which I've worked; I'm sorry I keep doing a lot of errors, but I'm trying to improve :-) And if you ever think that my prose's horrible, don't take problems in mending it; English is only my second language. Bye! Aldux 12:15, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
I dont now. I took the picture from livius.com. and uploaded last year. I think that it is probably the bust of Attalus I because it is replaced on livius.com. with another picture. I think this picture sould be delated and removed from page Seleucus I Nicator and put another. (sorry for bed english) Boris Živ
Dear Paul,
In my oppinion, the current article "Mathematics" really can not be improved, since it has practically no content. General words like "the study of quantity, structure, space and change" may be applied to physics or engineering or almost anything as well, and give no impact into distinguishing math activity. What are the means of this study? Computors (quantity), telescopes (space), movie-making (change)?? What are the objects? "Structure" of what?? Next sentence "It has historically developed ..." definitely pertains to "History" section and should not be used in the initial description of a thing. The rest of the article has nothing to do with the description, initiated in the first paragraph.
This was my reason for replacing this article, and this certainly could not "improve" it.
Filling up a sentence with a list of hyperlinks can not release us from the obligation to add some meaning to it. Just imagine yourself being an "ordinary person", who wants to know about mathematics. What can you add to your impression after reading such article?
As for "discussion", then what do you suggest? Just to go to forum and ask, if anybody objects againts my thinking of math as "blah-blah-blah", then to wait for the answer? And then the procedure of collective voting, counting voices, etc.? Judging by their first reaction, the people who happened to inhabit the Mathematics section of Wikipedia first, have a strong intention to keep their positions and, unfortunately, rarely had a chance to work in pure math seriously.
A reasonable way to manage this problem would be to give a list of alternative versions of articles on each subject and to let readers (not the authors) to decide and evaluate. Otherwise, if you concentrate on maintaining the interests of these first-comers, I can predict you having neither readers, nor interesting authors. Learning about math from dictionaries (as Mr. Alexandrov), they will stick forever to the "science-not science" discussion.
But thank you for invitation anyway. I was really very anthusiastic, when I found this Wikipedia activity, but the reality seems to be far from stimulating. (Vikvik)
Is this a threat, [8], and if so can you please tell user Miskin to stop threating me, it is unpleasant. Since you are a administrator can you give him a warning on the talk page to stop with such statements. Many thanks in advance! -- Albanau 03:05, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
Hi - I am Edward Buckner, (Wiki user dbuckner). You removed my link to an article on the history of the word "class" on above page, because "unauthorative". What is the definition of unauthorative? Are there any factual inaccuracies in the article? Or would the same article with the same content be acceptable from some "authoritative" source?
Dr. Edward Buckner
I think that User:Dbuckner is the same person as the Dean Buckner who used to be a regular contributor to the Foundations of Mathematics mailing list. If so, he's a knowledgeable contributor on the history and philosophy of logic, but one with certain biases. His editing has generally brought good content to WP (I like his contributions to History of logic in particular), and I think we should be encouraging him.
I had a look at the links that he added to the pages: they are of unpublished works, but seem to be of high quality. I don't really know what the criteria is to qualify as an external link; I've spent too much time trying to find good guidance on this. I'd elect to leave them, provided: (1) there aren't any more authoritative online sources available, and (2) they are linked to from just the most appropriate article. --- Charles Stewart 19:39, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments. I've made many more contributions than those parts of "history of logic" (which is terrible in its present state, and deserves more work than I jave time to give). For example, Zermelo Set Theory, Ontological Commitment, Plural Quantification, Term Logic, Unity of the Proposition, Ernst Schroeder, Empty names &c. Also many biographies of modern philosophers such as Boolos, Kenny, Sainsbury.
I have "proper" published work (some of which is linked to in Wikipedia) but it seems absurd to allow a link to my published works but not to "unpublished". Why is my website "unpublished" btw – you mean "peer-reviewed" surely?
Yes I am the "Dean Buckner" who contributed to FOM, and yes I have biases. I hope none of these have protruded into Wikipedia or indeed any of the material that I have linked to. The piece on "sets" is simply a collection of quotes and sources, as is the "infinity" source page, with no point of view or bias. The "existential import" piece is simply a correction of a common fallacy about Boole (the so-called "Boolean Interpretation"). I have the authority of Burris on this, and also Church (see the references). Btw the piece I reference by Burris is not "published". Shall we remove this, even though by a noted historian of logic?
The great virtue of the web is the access it gives to unpublished material (by famous and not-so-famous). The idea of banning links to commercially unpublished material is absurd (and gives a monopoly to commercial publishers). Remove a link to poor quality stuff by all means. But as none of the pages I have contributed directly to Wikipedia have been removed (indeed most are in exactly the state I left them), why do the same in effect to a link?
User:Dbuckner Dean Edward Buckner
You say "I don't think that it is unreasonable for Wikipedia to be concerned about the reputability of the authors and the publishers of material it links to."
Yet you said you had no concerns about the quality of the piece! You are saying, in effect, that a well written and accurate piece is not eligible to be linked to, unless the author has "reputability".
In any case, I have published material, on and off the web (check in Notre Dame Philosophy reviews, or in back numbers of *Analysis*. My work is referenced by a number of contemporary philosophers.
But this should not matter. The pieces I linked to were harmless summaries of other existing work. If you read the piece
http://uk.geocities.com/frege@btinternet.com/cantor/Eximport.htm
you will see it is mostly excerpts and quotations. Much of it was the result of discussions on the Historia Mathematica list server.
And I don't understand why you deleted the link to this piece, and not the others. The class (set theory) page has a specific reference to the problem of "set" versus "class" to which the piece is highly relevant.
I know you said you would not object to replacing the link. But I'm more concerned about the principle of banning links to material which is accurate and (reasonably well-written) but which lacks perceived "reputability".
1. Quality of presentation 2. Accuracy 3. Interest & relevance to subject matter of linked-to Wiki page 4. Verifiability
I add the last because you probably would not want even a well-known reputable writer submitting a proof or theory that was untested and required long work to verify. Whereas if someone says that the German for "set" is "Menge" or that Jourdain translated "Menge" by "aggregate", this should be the work of a moment.
Is this something we can take to arbitration?
E.B.
Sorry, the page I had meant to reference was this one
http://uk.geocities.com/frege@btinternet.com/cantor/Classes.htm
The link to the other one, strangely (for it is more contentious) was not removed!
EB
[9] -- R.Koot 16:46, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
Did you miss my request on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics that some admin move Mathematical reviews to Mathematical Reviews as it is the title of a journal (see Talk:Mathematical reviews), do you not have time, or do you disagree? (feel free to ignore this message if you do not have time) -- Jitse Niesen ( talk) 22:32, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the move. I should have seen that parenthetical remark coming … I am rapidly running out of excuses. I'm having some strange technical problems and RfA is rather full at the moment, but once these issues are resolved, I'll gladly accept any nomination. -- Jitse Niesen ( talk) 17:50, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
The technical problems disappeared as suddenly as they came, so I have no excuse left. I'm willing to face the critism of RfA if nominated. -- Jitse Niesen ( talk) 11:39, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi Paul, I thought you might be interested in this discussion.
(PS - The system is suggesting that you archive part of your talk page as I write this.) -- llywrch 18:28, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
Wow, you are *fast*. 10 seconds between vandal's change and your revert. Someday I'll have to get that powerful revert tool. MicahMN | Talk 00:57, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Greetings,
I am a bit puzzled over your revert on the bisexual people list. Could you please explain. Sigmund Frued, William Shakespeare and Julius Caesar were all bisexuals. 70.57.82.114 04:38, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
See their respective articles.
So of the above three, historians agree that Caesar had homosexual sex, while on the other two they do not agree that they had such sex, but they do agree that they had the sexual attractions. And under the definition of bisexual all you need is the attractions, for example a homosexual can be celibate, but that does not change that he is homosexual. 70.57.82.114 05:04, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
No problem. Sure we can discuss it. :) 70.57.82.114 20:49, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
See the talk page, I have finished responding. 70.57.82.114 21:05, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Paul, thank you for supporting my adminship, I'm glad you didn't miss out on it! :)
Please never hesitate to let me know if you have concerns with any administrative action I may make.
Func( t, c, e, ) 19:16, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Oh, noes!!! There is something wrong with your eyes??? ;-) Func( t, c, e, ) 17:47, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
First, let me say thank you for taking the time and effort to help clear out the backlog at WP:RM.
Now some comments. It is not necessary to strike (i.e.<s>) out completed requests. RM is not logged, so once a request is dealt with it can simply be removed. Secondly, when completing a move, it is customary to remove the {{ move}} template from the talk page hosting the discussion, and to subst {{ moved}} or {{ notmoved}} to the end of the votes, as a way of closing the discussion.
Again, thanks for the help. Dragons flight 23:02, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
And our world loses a little lustre. — Theo (Talk) 16:48, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
I read it as so distressed that you could no longer function adequately: a delicious overstatement of your misery. Anyway, now that you have sugar for your sugar things must have a different perspective. I could at this point start a rant about taking responsibility for your own life … how nobody can make you do anything with speech or text … how establishing autonomy is a first step to self-actualisation … but as I type I am listening to Ellington's A-train because someone mentioned it in the pub. And while we talk of influence: go to The Coop and buy Mirsky Dante, Eros & Kabbalah ISBN 0815630271. It will not help with the Great Project but it should afford you much plesaure. — Theo (Talk) 23:16, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
Your edit of Point (geometry) makes the redirect of Point (topology) acceptable. I still think the encyclopedia would be better off without Point (topology) at all, but this makes it acceptable to me. Go ahead and re/revert, with my compliments. -- Arthur Rubin 20:45, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for a nomination so glowing that it embarrassed me. Even Boothy did not dare to oppose. Now I can finally delete all those category theory articles that I don't understand. -- Jitse Niesen ( talk) 01:24, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
I think your compromise version is alright too. What annoys me most is that I already had compromised with them by allowing their definition in but would not let them erase the definition, and especially the aprt that myths are believed to be true. If they take that out then the whole thing is botched, as it's missing the most important part, and then everyone will start putting fiction back into the article as if it were myth (some old version of thea rticle were really bad) and doing the same in other articles. AS it is, most of the mythology-related articles are crammed full of fictioncruft about some videograme as if it were just as important. I'm glad you are willing to help out here, as the couple of other editors involved had progressed to leaving harassing messages on my talk page and not listening to a single argument I made while falsely claiming that I never responded at all to try to justify themselves. DreamGuy 21:20, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
I hope you don't mind. I analyzed a couple of PlanetMath references (the ones beginning with \kappa), and determined the appropriate WP article, and provided status. -- Arthur Rubin 21:43, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
Got to admit that made me smile. A sysop's nightmare! Best wishes. --
Tony Sidaway
Talk
22:32, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi Paul. Your edit to this article removed two paragraphs for some reason. Must be some Wikipedia quirck again, but I thought you would like to know about it. I fixed it. Oleg Alexandrov 02:43, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
You were part of the discussion for moving VfD to PfD. I would appreciate any comments that you might have about the process...if you're interested, please leave a note in the appropriate section on User:Ral315/Signpost. ral 315 01:02, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the welcome, and for fixing up my errors with status. I'm pressing on with combinatorics, and quite enjoying the challenge! Rich Farmbrough 23:07, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
For your information, I have now submitted a request for arbitration: User:rktect -- Egil 11:35, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
Just a heads-up -- I moved your article to Inductive set (axiom of infinity), and put a quick-and-dirty stub about the notion of inductive sets from descriptive set theory at Inductive set. See Talk:Inductive set (axiom of infinity) for rationale. -- Trovatore 02:56, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi Paul,
so the AD page needs some substantial revision; see its talk page and Talk:Winning_strategy#Organizational_questions. But I don't think merging in the PM article is the way to go. Mainly the PM article should be used to make sure we haven't forgotten anything. That's my review; I didn't see how to encapsulate it into one of the choices given. -- Trovatore 15:19, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
I must admit I did the deletions voluntarily :-( The decision came from some uncertainities I've been having with the references, concerning the primary sources. The possibilities are two: 1) Putting in reference all the authors recorded in the notes 2) Putting in reference only the dominant source or sources, like putting in reference only Cornelius Nepos' Datames for the Datames article, Polybius for Sosibius. What's your opinion? Aldux 21:21, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice :-) OK, I'll do as you say. I only had some doubts that came from generating a list too long of references and of duplicating the notes' information.
Speaking of something else, sadly I've built a duplicate article :-( I've wrote Satyric Drama, only to find that Satyr play already exists. How can I mend the problem? Bye Aldux 10:44, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
Great! And thanks for the new template, I've really missed it. I tried to solve the problem of missing templates using pseudo-templates that seemed templates, but were not. Could you please construct a template for Smith's Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiques and one for his Dictionary of Greek and Roman Geography, since I'didn't find them in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_messages/Sources_of_articles? And sorry if I'm becoming a bit naggy ;-) Aldux 16:14, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
First of all I must tell you that I got here by chance, after seeing Aldux's work on Macedonia related articles and I share your interest in classic Greek. Now, why am I creating this sub-section here: Satyric Drama could have been moved to Satyric drama and shouldn't be deleted because part of the content written by Aldux was used in the original article (it has something to do with GFDL). Perhaps you can do something like that, in a similar situation in the future, so that the history of the contributions is not deleted.
And a question: I've written Teos, do we need to create a template for the classical gazetteer? +MATIA ☎ 16:42, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
Nice phone (☎) by the way ;) Keep up the good work! +MATIA ☎ 17:38, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
...starts off with the most hilarious statement about real and imaginary numbers and telephones. I have been laughing about it with my colleagues since I read it, and has become somewhat of an in-joke in the office. Thank you for the great humour! -- HappyCamper 01:45, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
The problem is the term "Gaul" is rather vague. Today it's usually understood to mean speakers of Gaulish, i.e. the Celts of what is now France, Switzerland, and northern Italy, but the Greeks and Romans called the Galatians Gauls too. It's clear the Galatians were Celts and that they moved from Thrace to Asia Minor during the historical period, but no one really knows how closely related they were to the Gauls of Gaul. Their language is way too sparsely attested to say whether it was particularly closely related to Gaulish. I think it's important to mention that the Galatians were called Gauls in the Attalus I article because of the reference to the Dying Gaul (always known as such even though he's apparently actually a Galatian) and because section 2 of the article is called "Defeat of the Gauls" and makes reference to "Galatian Gauls" and even simply "Gauls" in the quote. I wouldn't say calling the Galatians "Gauls" is definitely a misnomer, but it might be; we just don't know enough about the ethnolinguistic groupings among the Continental Celts to be sure. The Greeks and Romans considered them Gauls, and maybe they were right, but maybe they weren't. If you think my edit disrupts the flow, maybe you can change that sentence back to what you had, but then add a sentence in section 2 explaining that the people in question were the Galatians but that contemporary sources called them Gauls. -- Angr/ tɔk tə mi 19:23, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Well, Liddell and Scott say that Γαλάται is just a later word for Κέλτοι, implying the Greeks would have called the inhabitants of Gaul Γαλάται as well. -- Angr/ tɔk tə mi 20:45, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
Paul, you don't need to revert the anons. I was watching KCAL 9 News in Los Angeles, and they state a Supreme Court spokesperson announced Rehnquist's death. OCNative 03:12, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
I invite your attention to my proposal at Talk:Boolean_algebra#Proposal. -- Trovatore 18:47, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
Greetings,
According to [10], the Sportsology article should have been deleted. It hasn't. What was deleted instead was the VfD page itself. Would you correct this please (undelete vfd, delete article)? -- Durin 17:58, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for voting for me in my RFA. I was really touched at how many people voted for me! -- Angr/ tɔk tə mi 22:44, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
Why do you keep deleting my New York article? You are from Boston you should know this stuff yourself. And I have this Request for Comment too what is the problem?? Wiki brah 05:03, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
Yes I am very serious thank you please. I am something of an expert in the field I wroted articles on Anal Sex in Brasil, Sao Paolo and Bisexuality in Brasil too. I am Jewish and visit NYC a lot and other places and I love to party in places I go in fact I did a few lines of yay-yo tonight even
A NOR violation is more a matter for VFD rather than CSD is it not? Plus its not like totally my own view I know a lot of people can back me up on this thank you. Wiki brah 05:19, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
Can you block user:210.87.251.41 who has been warned not to vandalism, yet continues to do it. Xtra 03:56, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
Paul, you did a fantastic job. Thank you. Bishonen | talk 16:12, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
Your contributions were excellent, and I certainly appreciate them. That said, the Committee is mostly concerned with ensuring that objectionable behaviour does not recur, and it was thought that Ed's resignation as bureaucrat, and his comments recognizing the inappropriateness of his actions, would take care of that. Do you feel this was an inappropriate remedy? Jayjg (talk) 19:56, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Ed Poor agreed in private discussion to resign as a bureaucrat. This resolution was based on our perception that he had lost touch with community consensus. He remains a Wikipedia administrator and a valued member of the community. Saving face was one consideration. Fred Bauder 19:31, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi Paul,
could use your help over at Boolean algebra. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#Boolean_algebra.2C_redux and the latest additions to Talk:Boolean algebra#Proposal
HI Travatore. Yes I had noticed. What we really need to do is write the other article too. I don't quite have the gumption at the moment. But I've responded at Talk:Boolean algebra#Proposal.
Paul. Thanks for helping with the vandalism at Fruit. Not sure if you have been following, but please check out the "conversation" at Talk:Fruit#Stupid Fruit Facts with that anon you rolled back. He has been persisting in deleting a statement he just does not like (and will not correct it if it is wrong). When I advise him (on talk pages; he uses at least three different IP addresses) that one cannot just delete facts that are true because of a POV, he attacks me. I did not enter the "offending" fact, and his responses seem irrational. His ISP is from somewhere in the San Francisco Bay Area, so his accusations that I am some kind of typical Eurobashing, "racist" American are a real mystery (since he knows nothing about my sex, race, politics, nationality). I finally blocked him on one ISP after warnings, but his/her responses to discussing why he cannot do what he wants seem way over the wall. I'm unclear where I have insulted anybody (especially the Portuguese]]. He seems to actually just want to pick a fight. - Marshman 00:28, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
I agree completely. As I said many times to the anon, I did not write that item. I was never defending the item. I was concerned that deleting something that is factual because one does not like it was the wrong approach, at which point I was attacked as being anti-EU and anti-Portuguese, then a rabid American saber- ....well you can see how it degenerated. I attempted to steer the anon to our various newbie and civility pages, but he just refused to really read anything I had to say, prefering instead to look for words he could use to have a fight. My attitude is this. Wikipedia is a volunteer effort. No volunteer should put up with abusive language from another "contributor". That is a problem that Wikipedians need to nip in the bud whenever it occurs. It will drive good people away if verbal bullying prevails. Thanks for your comments - Marshman 18:00, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
I am asking past editors of the Karl Rove page to weigh in on a survey. If you can spare a couple of minutes, please visit this page: Talk:Karl Rove/September Survey, read the introduction, and answer the three questions that have been posed. Thank you. paul klenk 09:32, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for removing that dup header, it kept coming and going. I finally walked away from it. I've seen that happen before, no sure why it acts like that. Later! Rx StrangeLove 04:46, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi - - Why did you revert a disambiguation by me for the word "Kush"? Whereas you may never have heard of the legendary Hindu hero of that name, many have, and are interested; please do not revert once again without looking into merits and considering other people. - Anon
Hi Mr.August,
Thanx for the response - - the name Kusha is spelt "Kush" by a section of Indians in order to differentiate its pronounciation from "Kushaa". This is difficult to explain unless you are familiar with Indian scripts and transliteration from Indian languages to the Roman script. Thus "Kusha" is phonetically correct but "Kush" is more widespread in some sections. I wish to develop the page, but seem unable to START with all this attention from others!! - Anon
Can you guide me on how to rename pages? I am not actually registered yet -- does the power come only from registration? - Anon
I've added a couple of divine cultural references today.
The silly I can live with; the malicious is harder. I really worry about the general mtone of 'conversation' in this place and the inconsistent application of sanctions. But I'm here on low-level activity for a while to see how it goes. Filiocht | Talk 14:32, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
Have you tried e-mailing Theo? Filiocht | The kettle's on 14:27, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Hello again, I have (unilatterly) taken away the 'assembly' idea, as per my reasons at that edit summary and per Wikipedia talk:Esperanza/Charter. I have left the admin general, as some leadership is good. Now, all you have to do is be a member to establish consensus, the whole assembly idea is gone. Also, I have added an advisory committee, of four members, with limited power besides watching over the admin general and making sure he doesn't do anything stupid. Please look at the ammended charter, and I would love a comment. R e dwolf24 ( talk) 00:27, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
I see you reverted the edits on Computer Bugs. The statement I removed was a version of the "Fallacy of many eyes". It claims that just because more people have access to the code, it doesn't mean that those eyes are qualified. Please do not put that statement back in, as it is pro open source and generally false. DoomBringer 18:03, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Any more thoughts on Template:Ent? -- Trovatore 18:58, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
When I turned off "use MathML if possible" in my preferences, the bug went away. I'd be curious whether you can see it in Firefox, if you turn on MathML -- Trovatore 05:56, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
You might want to take a look at Wikipedia talk:Footnote3, where one Francis Schonken is putting up a feisty case for placing it on the block. The argument is that there has not been a formal proposal for Template:rf and Template:Ent (I've pointed out the discussion on that very page, but she (he?) has either not considered it, or has and remains unimpressed; I'm unaware if you've formally created a proposal page for them). I cannot say that I find her unpersuasive—standardization is important business—and should the matter go to TfD, I'm reasonably certain that that crowd will feel the same way too.
May I make a suggestion, Paul? While you're tweaking the templates for MathML compatibility, could you perhaps create an autonumbering version? This seems to be the most salient opposition to the template. Of course, there is great value in having the choice of manually numbering a few refs in text when one wishes to refer to the same work multiple times; for this purpose, a separate template may be created (see for example {{ Ref num}} and {{ An num}}). The only other objection that I've seen to your templates is that they use small numbers; I consider this a rather strange objection, given that all footnote systems that utilize superscripts have small numbers, and if one has no objection to the small numbers in ref-note or an-anb, I cannot see how one can have a problem with the numbers in rf-ent.
If you do create an autonumbering version for rf-ent (and hopefully an rf num template to go with them), I expect a formal proposal may do rather well, because it will be a marked improvement over the currently popular ref-note in several ways:
Wadya say?— encephalon εγκέφαλον 03:03, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for your concern. I was sucked away by the demands of paid work and The Ashes, successively. I then realised that I felt brighter without the daily dip into wikiconflict so I stayed away again. I am impressed with your contributions to the Ed Poor debate but I am not surprised that you felt them to be wasted. The realisation that such processes are time-consuming and ineffective is part of my disaffection with the project. I am now determined to focus on the rewarding aspects. — Theo (Talk) 21:11, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Hello Paul August. As you may or may not know, there have been some troubles with Esperanza. So now, as a last ditch to save the community, please vote at Wikipedia:Esperanza/Reform on all neccisary polls. P.S. I'm very sorry for spamming you all with these messages, and this will be the last time. I recommend putting ESP on your watchlist. Cheers and please look at that, let's stop the civil war then. R e dwolf24 ( talk) 02:51, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for catching the Malcolm X vandal's work on my user page. It's much appreciated.— chris.lawson ( talk) 01:49, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Your obviously an idiot. Nice by the way on the "1 BC" article, where you added "One scholar thinks Jesus was born in AD 1"...emm.. Jesus' year of birth is AD 1 in the Gregorian calendar!! Sure, it may be disputed, but scholars think Christ may have been born from 6 - 4 BC, not 1 BC. In either case, today is the year 2,005 AD (Anno Domini - in the year of Lord Jesus Christ), therefore meaning it's 2,005 years IN THE YEARS of Jesus, meaning he was born AD 1.
Thanks for the nice reminder about protected pages. -- HappyCamper 17:25, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi Paul, I am not overly familiar with the AFD process, however I note "no consensus" was reached for the above article despite their being three "redirect" votes over two for each of "keep" and "delete". Is an certain level of support required for a given choice? Cheers, -- Daveb 02:10, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
On the request of Radiant!, it was requested for it to be removed. But frankly, I do not see any reason to leave it on either. Is there any specific reason you think it should be left on? -- AllyUnion (talk) 03:17, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
What the hell is going on over there? I'm half minded to remove myself from the members list if it's just going to turn into a battlefield of egos. Filiocht | The kettle's on 09:49, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm afraid the poor demarcation between Aristotelian logic and term logic has bitten a contributor, who has laboriously provided a lengthy explanation of syllogistic inference in the former that largely duplicates the explanation in the latter. I'm proposing a merge again, on Talk:Aristotelian logic --- Charles Stewart 19:36, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
P.S. By the way does "Filiocht" mean poetry in Irish? How do you pronounce it? I was at a Boston Wikipedia meetup last night, when I realized I didn't have the first idea how the last syllable might go ;-)
Well It's finally happened. I've been accused of vandalism. Maybe I was too empowered by my first Boston wiki-meetup. So perhaps I will blame it all on Sj. Now I know how it feels — not so good. Oh well I guess it had to happen eventually. But it is a new and rather unpleasant wiki-experience. Anyone want to ban me now? (Oleg? have you blocked anyone yet? this might be a good test) I know that first time vandals don't usually warrant banning but I think I'm a special case. Don't you? Paul August ☎ 20:15, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi Paul,
Please make that description of rf/ent templates, put it somewhere in "wikipedia:" or "help:" namespace, and inform your fellow-wikipedians where they can find that description of how to use these templates.
Maybe I was "short", I rather think I was too elaborate in my answers: the discussion about this alternate template takes too much space on wikipedia talk:footnote3, and it was inserted in a section where it's basicly not related to.
"Footnote3" guideline is severely attacked by some guy having a very peculiar idea about wikipedia:cite sources. That guy removed the "guideline" template from footnote3 a few days ago, in his attempts to discredit footnotes as a viable way to support verifiability. I called that intrusion on the footnote3 guideline (while the debate about confirming the guideline status of footnote3 is going on, without any conclusion in that sense) "vandalism", while deliberately neglecting the message in the "guideline" template. If you did the same thing, I called it the same. De-guidelining footnote3 is not going to help, IMHO.
I try to avoid as much as I can to think in categories of "OK guys"/"not OK guys" (which I experience somehow as not making the best out of Wikipedia). So I'd rather call an act "vandalism" than a guy "not OK".
And I continue my attempts to harmonise wikipedia footnotes with the cite sources guideline, but please, present the rf/ent templates to the community, so that I don't have to worry about that: if they're accepted, fine, I'll be the first to link the description of how to use them from the footnote guideline.
-- Francis Schonken 05:48, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
Ah shucks twern't nothin. I needed a bit of a pick-me-up this morning (see the two sections immediately above), and your star did the trick ;-) thanks! Paul August ☎ 15:26, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
Ah, my first ever spam mass produced and mailed to the spamlist. Well first of all let me re-state that we have an irc channel, #wp-esperanza, and its been rather empty, so I'd appreciate it if you come, even if you just idle about. Now, the evil polls have closed, and I left a justification note for running the evil polls. Nothing has really changed, but at least I have somewhat of a consensus. I hope to figure out a way to overturn my power to JCarriker somehow, I'll figure out a way :-) Meanwhile, I've been busy reforming the mediation system where I am the chairman now, er, acting chairman. Enjoy your spam, with extra vikings. R e dwolf24 ( talk) 00:40, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
You deleted Evanss's AfD, and not the article! Haha, its fine though, and restored. R e dwolf24 ( talk) 02:13, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
I 've told your answering machine message about complex numbers to some friends of mine, some of them laughed (like I did when I saw it) with the joke, others understood it but gave me a strange (or a little angry) look :)
I left a request note on User_talk:Aldux#two_requests_about_Thebans (Thebans at Thermopylae and with Alexander) and then I thought that perhaps you might be interested too. +MATIA ☎ 11:06, 1 October 2005 (UTC) "
Hello Paul, it was good to see you last week. If you have specific ideas about how we could develop a Wikimania schedule, or interested people and orgs we could make connections with, please add comments to the bid page or talk page. We're having a collective discussion about the current bids tomorrow on IRC in #wikimania (at 20:00 UTC, I believe). Cheers, +sj + 05:03, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Hello spam list, look at this. Essjay is the new leader of Esperanza, and I'm interested in seeing how he runs it. I'm busy doing other work... Please comment at that talk page there. I will still probably run the spamlist though. R e dwolf24 ( talk) 22:59, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Paul, I had a question about the rfd for Ecclesiastical state. When this was closed I was away for a couple of days on vacation and am just coming back and looking at it.
When I went back and read the comments, it seemed to me there was in fact consensus in terms of redirecting the page to Ecclesiastical government. At least five people stated that they though that this should happen. Is there a possiblity you could go back and look at this again?
If not, what do you suggest? Can I open another rfd or do I have to wait for awhile?
The only reason I ask Paul, is because that page has been associated with a lot of high POV material. I really do feel merging it will the other page will help alievate some of the problems associated with the page.
I'd appreciate it if you could leave me an answer on my talk page here. Thanks... Davidpdx 10/3/05 8:42 (UTC)
So as long as we're more or less on the subject (and you're working on the set theory page, there's a fundamental and pervasive error that shows up over and over again. I've been reluctant to open the subject because I have no clear exit strategy, but here goes:
The pages talk about "naive set theory" and "axiomatic set theory". They claim that, in the first, mathematicians think of sets as collections of objects, but in the latter, they are simply "undefined" or "are whatever satisfies the axioms" or "have properties defined by the axioms" or some such. They claim that Cantor did naive set theory. They claim that naive set theory leads to the antinomies (e.g. Russell paradox) and that axiomatic set theory was what was needed to fix it. And they claim that modern mathematicians work in axiomatic set theory. This leads naturally to the following false conclusions:
In fact modern mathematicians do think of sets as collections of objects, and while there are a few that claim to regard all models of ZFC as equally good, this is a minority view among working set theorists, at least among those who believe models have real existence at all.
It is not necessary to adopt an axiomatic approach to avoid the antinomies. The key, rather, is to understand the universe of discourse in terms of the von Neumann hierarchy, which follows naturally from the following intuitive concept of set:
And on point (5) I'm slightly less sure of myself, because I'm not really that good a historian, but I think this was in fact more or less Cantor's view, so Cantor's conception does not in fact lead to the Russell paradox. See the "Disputed" section on the talk page of Russell's paradox for my argument on this point. -- Trovatore 21:44, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Whoa pardner, that's a whole lot of stuff for a befuddled old used to be categorical topologist to respond to ;-) Here are some random thoughts and questions:
As for errors in our articles, it would be best to deal with particular statements in particular articles. I hope some of the above helps. I have taken an interest in the set theory articles, simply because they seemed a bit neglected. As far as I know you are the only set theorist, actively working on WP, and as far as I'm concerned, you should feel free to rework the set theory content, as you see fit. Always being prepared of course to defend your edits tooth and nail, with lots of authoritative sources, against every manner of assault from every possible direction ;-) Paul August ☎ 03:22, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Let me elaborate a little on your "topological space" analogy way up in the middle of all that mess somewhere. The notion we want to capture is more like "the real line" than general "topological space". It's a particular thing, not just anything that satisfies a set of first-order axioms.
The notion defined by the ZFC axioms, in the way that the axioms of a topology define "topological space", is not "set", but "model of ZFC". What we're trying to get at is not, "what is a model of ZFC?", but rather "what is a set"? You yourself agreed that not all models of ZFC are equally good. (Well, the word was "equivalent", but that's what I meant when I said "equivalent".)
Specifically, one model M of ZFC can be inferior to another model N, by failing to contain a subset of a set they both share, when N does have that subset. (This is after suitable cross-model identification; that's a technical annoyance that I don't want to address at the moment.) If you insist on sticking to models that completely maximize the powersets of all the sets they have, then that's when you get the categoricity result I alluded to above. In particular, for example, all such models will agree on the truth value of CH, and that must be the real truth value of CH. -- Trovatore 05:56, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Our new admin general, Essjay, has set the date for the advisory committee elections, that date being October 7th. By UTC it is October 5th right now. So see WP:ESP/E for voting in two days, and add yourself to the list if you're interested in running. On a personal note, I'm considering running, as I only resigned as admin general because of time. I'm sure I could help out on the advisory committee... Anywho, watchlist that page, and be sure to read the voting method too. Regards, R e dwolf24 ( talk) 01:11, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
I noticed that you (Paul) reverted an edit and then re-reverted (unreverted?) it in Talk:Boolean_algebra. Do you have tools which make that easier? (I'm one of the Open Directory Project editors who decided to join the vandalism watch.) Arthur Rubin 13:54, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your kind words. They mean a lot to me coming from you, an editor whose own work and opinions I think highly of; you're one of Wikipedia's best editors, in my opinion. (Not only for your thoughtful, reasonable discussions and clearly-written articles, but your terrible math jokes as well!) I'm honored at the compliment, and glad to see others endorsing the position. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 04:16, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
Thank you, thank you very much. I'm touched. Thank you a lot, I really needed that. -- Blackcap | talk 20:29, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
I don't suppose you have a link to the ArbCom elections, do you? I'm having difficulty finding them.-- Scimitar parley 22:45, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for getting that so fast. I saw it, got ready to AfD it, and it was already gone! :-D — ceejayoz ★ 02:48, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi. You closed this vfd as delete, but don't seem to have pushed the button on the article itself. — Cryptic (talk) 08:25, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi Paul! I just wanted to tell you that I've awnsered your message, if you haven't seen it. Bye ;-) Aldux 13:29, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi Paul. I was hoping you could advise me on a couple of difficulties that have emerged. These are:
1) The contributer Anna4president has placed in the articles Olympias, Cassander and Hephaestion images of the actors of the film Alexander by Oliver Stone; should they be kept or removed?
2) The second problem, far bigger, concerns the article Diadochi :-( I've let myself be trapped in taking part in a revert war with Miskin :-( The problem is that Puskin doesn't seem a very reasonable wikipedian, and so I doubt I can engineer a compromise :-( What shall I do? Aldux 09:58, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for doing some of the disambig work on Lucan - I went through the ones for the town, and ended up edit crashing with you on the poet ones at least twice :) -- Kiand 16:56, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
You may want to pay closer attention to your reversions. The recent one you made to the Pope article "corrected" the deletion of this image as the picture of the incumbent. I'm almost positive this was an accident. (It's well known that Pope Benedict XVI resembles Emperor Palpatine, but it's hardly encyclopedic to point that up.) TCC (talk) (contribs) 04:57, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Of course you can, given that you already have. :-) Thanks; I'll do my best to be fair and effective. And not jump out a window in the process... Mindspillage (spill yours?) 18:40, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Please vote at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of lists of mathematical topics. Michael Hardy 20:31, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Hello Esperanzians! A few announcements.
The Advisory Committee election results are in. In tranch A are Acetic Acid and Flcelloguy. In tranch B are Ryan Norton and Bratsche.
My other annoouncement is that our founder, JCarriker, has founded Esperanza's sister project, Wikipediology. I have written two essays here (my name is Matt Binder). My essays are under Teenage Wikipedians and Anon Editors.
On behalf of myself and Jay Carriker and the other wikipediologists, I would appreciate it if you were to join.
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For your endless fight against vandalism and having the fastest rollback I have seen I think you deserve this -- JAranda | watz sup 00:17, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
I just gave the user at 12.222.12.137 vandalism warning level 4 (after giving level 2 and 3) for his/her edits on the article for Ana Voog. Unfortunately, I'm not an admin, so I lack the ability to enforce these warnings. (Full disclosure: I'm also a friend of Ms. Voog's.) Would you be willing to help me enforce these warnings if need be? Thank you. -- SwissCelt 03:05, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
Looks like we were stepping on each others toes a wee bit when reverting the vandalism just now by 24.171.57.110. Sorry about that. :p -- nihon 03:58, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
Heya, Paul -- Long time no see. You can now sign up to attend or volunteer... Also, we should talk more about regular meetings, now that ice cream is out of season. +sj + 08:16, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Please see Category:Wikipedians in Massachusetts for info on the continuing project of user categorisation -- Vidkun 21:10, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
God to see you around the place again. I have no idea what to do about the ArbCom. If Jimbo asked me, I might serve, but I doubt he knows I exist, frankly. I find this a worrying development, I must say.
I'm afraid I haven't touched the Dante list, but I'd like to get your feedback on Wikipedia:Peer review/Objectivist poets/archive1. Filiocht | The kettle's on 08:10, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
Oh, another welcome back; good to see you around again! Mindspillage (spill yours?) 16:13, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
See my takl page, please. Filiocht | The kettle's on 10:59, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
You may be interested in Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Ed_Poor blocked Duncharris again. Oleg Alexandrov ( talk) 02:58, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
You may be interested in reference/citation content/format issues in Talk:Global cooling#Citation format poll (see preceding discussion) and Wikipedia:Requests for comment/SEWilco#Response. ( SEWilco 05:58, 30 November 2005 (UTC))
User:Paul August, you have reached the 100th item on your discussion page. You must archive. Mathbot 06:06, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Paul, you will have reached the 101st item on your discussion page after I press Save. You must archive.
Furthermore, I'm wondering whether you're checking the email you have set, as I send a message to it. You can answer on Wikipedia, by email, or not at all, whatever you prefer. -- Jitse Niesen ( talk) 00:07, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm curious whether you think this user might be going a little overboard with promoting the Alleria page. I'm leaning that way, but want a second opinion. -- nihon 01:14, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi Paul. Mathbot is saying "hi". He got over that "bag of bits" description, and is wondering why your newest talk page archive is not on your watchlist. Does it have anything to do with, uhm, you doing it under compulsion? Oleg Alexandrov ( talk) 02:30, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Paul, I am not really sure. I think my bot is lying, but his version of things is the following:
Oleg Alexandrov ( talk) 04:03, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Unless your bot has the power to edit the logs — it looks like he's correct: Bot 1 Human 0. Paul August ☎ 04:21, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi Paul. A question arose on the etymology of Lemma (mathematics), which you might be able to answer. What is the original Greek word? Somebody claims on the talk page that it is λείμμα, but the article says λεμμα. Both words exist with very similar meanings, according to the Perseus site [13] [14] (I assume you know this web site; it's wonderful for somebody like me who has had Latin in school but forgot most of it). The meanings given by Perseus (quoting Liddell & Scott) are very similar. However, our article Lemma (mathematics) gives a very different meaning. Can you explain this? -- Jitse Niesen ( talk) 13:54, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Don't be so modest; it's the quality, not the quantity, that counts (I'll refrain from applying that principle to Wikipedia, as it will only serve to depress me). So it's probably λημμα (with an eta) instead of λεμμα (with an epsilon); excellent. One of the things I remember from my first year of Latin is the huge amounts of words used for "to kill". I'm a bit surprised you had Latin in school; my experience is that it's very rare in the UK to learn Latin (much rarer as in continental Europe) and I assumed that's even more the case in the US. -- Jitse Niesen ( talk) 18:46, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
"Britania est insulam. Est Britania parvum insulam? Non! Britania est magnam insulam!" (Until about 5 years ago, I could handle Latin pretty well, but then I woke up one morning, and I noticed all this Latin vocabulary on my pillowcase. Apparently, it had leaked out of my head during the night. It made an awful mess, as there was rather a lot of it. In comparison, the freshman year Greek I took left only a tiny stain that was easily removed with a single wash. The two years of college Latin, in comparison, nearly ruined my furniture.) Geogre 03:49, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Hello Paul, and thanks for you message welcoming me to the Wiki community. I had been meaning to get on the Thucydides edit for ages, but all sorts of things have kept me from it. I am not done, to be sure, but that's another matter. Anyway, in the process of running down the person who'd messaged me (didn't know such things could happen on Wikipedia--I'm such a newbie!), I saw this question about Lemma. Lemma does indeed come from Λαμβανειν, as you pointed out, though Leimma does not (comes from a different verb λειπειν). Now lambanein means to take and in the passive is often translated as "receive". The nominal form lemma, then, is anything received. It is a short jump from this to the meaning "a given" (in the passive sense), which is what I presume the mathematical meaning is. Anyway, it is used in Aristotle's logical works to mean the major premiss in a syllogism. It comes to english directly from Aristotle. It might be worthwhile to edit the Lemma (mathematics) page to reflect that the usage doesn't really have anything to do with gifts or bribes. Don't mean to bore you... Jim 05:39, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
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It just seemed like the right time … — Theo (Talk) 19:05, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
In the FuelWagon/Ed Poor request for arbitration, six arbitrators have now voted to support the remedy "For repeated abuse of his sysop powers, both past and present, Ed Poor is desysopped". Six are a majority. Bishonen | talk 00:58, 14 December 2005 (UTC).
I just wanted to congratulate you on the clarity and good sense of this edit. Filiocht | The kettle's on 08:18, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks guys. Blind sows and acorns. Paul August ☎ 19:56, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
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I would like to request your help with serious NPOV and verifiability problems on the Arabic numerals page. I have mentioned it, yet again, here Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#December_17. Please help me recruit as many neutral and well-intending editors to the page to counter the strong and manifest bias. Regards, and thanks. csssclll ( 14:43, 17 December 2005 (UTC))
I see what you mean. I used the rollback button - perhaps that was the reason. --Jay ( Reply) 03:45, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
I looked into the bug that you spoke of on the Troy article: it was an ampersand bug (i.e. it makes Johnson & Johnson into Johnson & Johnson); as you can see here, it was previously fixed by Hocevar. The problem I had was that the "updated" version created on the aforementioned scripts page utilized the older version of Hocevar's rollback button to fix the issue regarding the popup bug. Problem solved - who ever posted that "updated" version of the rollback button on the scripts page has to pull it from the scripts page pronto, and create a new one using Hocevar's latest rollback script. --Jay ( Reply) 22:48, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
I was asking myself if you could give me some advise for a problem I've got regarding Dhul-Qarnayn :-( I'm sorry to admit I got myself involved in an enormous revert-war five days ago and still proceeding, with six editors partecipating ( me, Thomas Arelatensis, Cuchullain, Farhansher, Irishpunktom, Karl Meier). It all started when Thomas Arelatensis introduced a change to the article, that I thought NPOV and so defended against Irishpunktom; and from that started a war that shows no sign of ending. Is their in wikipedia something or somebody I can ask to arbitrate the matter and take the decision whether the reverts are or are not legitimate so to put an end to the dispute? The fact is I'm fed up with this neverending revert-war (to which I have partecipated consistently, I admit). I doubt using the talk page would be of much use: the positions appear generally too distant. What should I do? Aldux 21:34, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for correcting the recent revision to Euler's identity where the (unkown) editor claimed that is not one of the two square roots of . I was pleased that someone was paying attention and made the correction. Thanks again. -- Metacomet 04:10, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
thanks for previously removing the vandalism from the UM page. The criticism section has been repeatedly deleted for maybe a dozen times now, and we have been having to just keep putting it back up. Finally, someone prtotected it- but with the vandalsim up (and the criticism down). If you could add your input on the discussion section it would be helpful. Thanks, jcdpi
About the whole deleting sections thing...
I don't understand what's going on with that. It has happened to me twice now. I followed the standard procedure for a revert, id est (when in Rome) went to the history and edited the penultimate version and saved it without making any changes. Why is that deleting sections?
WAvegetarian
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Why did you change all of the BCEs and CEs to BC/AD? The use of the B/CE is the preferable set to use. David618 16:33, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I just recently realized that this had been debated on the talk page. Sorry that you had to deal with changin back my reversions. WAvegetarian (talk) (email) (contribs) 10:41, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Thank you, and happy holidays to you; I've moved your gift to a more prominent place on my user page. :-) As for the arbcom... well... um... it's no worse than I expected, and I'll leave it at that. And a silly limerick for you as thanks:
For quality Paul may be crazed,
but in conflict is mostly unfazed—
and, too, pretty swell
for one who can't tell
his mug from his chocolate glazed!
Cheers, Mindspillage (spill yours?) 01:57, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
I like it. And only some of us will get the last two lines ;-)
Paul August
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After math is crazy Paul
This is known by us all
He may dream of Ancient Greece
But just numbers give him peace
Neither Caesar, neither Kate
Are too stong to change his fate
But don't worry, have some rum
And enjoy the year to come
Happy New Year!— Theo (Talk) 00:02, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Happy New Year! :-) Aldux 14:26, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
The footnotes you've added to Gödel's incompleteness theorem don't seem to work; I click on the links and nothing happens. Is this related to the bug in the template we labored over last fall? -- Trovatore 22:48, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I saw that you were active in the first vote for naming conventions of television program(mes). Well it has raised it's ugly head again and I would appreciate any comments you have to make about my new proposal for naming television shows. Please leave comments here. Thanks! -- Reflex Reaction ( talk)• 21:42, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
There are some Globe reporters writing about Wikipedia in a Boston context, and I thought they might like to interview you. I talked to them today and they're pretty cool. If you're up for it, leave me a note or email me (meta.sj gmail). Sj
thanks Rick Norwood 22:14, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
For your support and congratulations! (Now, if only Filiocht would return from his vacation... besides, he's just about out of tea. Don't suppose you've heard from him?) Mindspillage (spill yours?) 22:27, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi Paul. While new sections have to go at the bottom of the page, new comments pertaining to an old section may be posted in an older section. At least, that is the traditional practice in Wiki, whether or not it is official. On the other hand, one can choose to archive. Alexander 007 18:52, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I realize that you don't yet appear to have participated in the User Categorisation project, but you might be interested in the Erdős number sub-project, or specifically this page. SyntaxPC 08:24, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi Paul, happy to see you back :-) I wanted to know if you could help me with a problem I have with an anonymous Indian editor (his IP are many, User:192.94.94.105, User:192.94.94.106, User:192.91.75.29, User:192.91.75.30, but I'm pretty sure he's the same guy), regarding the battle of the Hydaspes River, which he insists in imposing a version that Alexander lost, a thing that no scholar accepts, and has expanded this not only to Battle of the Hydaspes River, but also to Porus, Purushottama and Alexander the Great (in the latter case he seems to have given up). What I find particularly frustrating is that they're exactly the same arguments taken from exactly the same webpage, Alexander the Ordinary. This has already been twice discussed at Alexander the Great and rejected by all non-indian editors, as can be seen at Talk:Alexander the Great#Conquest of India? and Talk:Alexander the Great#Disputed Indian History. An Indian editor, User:Idleguy, also tried to block this anon. editor, but he too had little luck. I've tried speaking with him at Talk:Porus, but it has been of absolutely no use. What should I do? And sorry for nagging you again; you must be feeling I'm becoming, as they say where I live, una tassa, i.e. "a tax" ;-) Aldux 14:36, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
He just does not accept any argument which is contrary to his. Book reference is there but that is "unscholarly" according to Aldux. These nationalists are hard to deal with.
Suggest a way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.91.75.30 ( talk • contribs) 15:32, January 27, 2006 (UTC)
As I remember, the last spam that was handed out was on the 20th of December last year, so I think it's time for another update. First and foremost, the new Advisory Council and Administrator General have been elected. They consist of myself as Admin General and FireFox, Titoxd, Flcelloguy and Karmafist as the Advisory Council. We as a group met formally for the first time on the 31st of Decembe. The minutes of this meeting can be found at WP:ESP/ACM. The next one is planned for tonight (Sunday 29 January) at 20:30 UTC and the agenda can be found at WP:ESP/ACM2.
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My wife, bless her soul, presented me with my very own barnstar. On a recent trip to Kansas, she found it at an antique store, and bought it for me. Isn't she sweet? Paul August ☎ 17:22, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Thank you Paul, I did indeed miswrite. The error has been corrected. ENCEPHALON 13:42, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for cleaning up Michael Psellus as I requested. Lukas (T.| @) 10:53, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Paul, I noticed that you have edited the Anselm page in the past. There is now a heated dispute and the makings of an edit war. Would appreciate a scholar's input and comments on the discussion page of that article.-- Br Alexis Bugnolo 12:05, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Try Infinity with MathML turned on. Sometimes I see the problem, sometimes not (just now I didn't, but it hasn't been edited since I did). -- Trovatore 22:57, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi again Esperanzians! Well, since our last frolic in the realms of news, the Advisory Council has met twice more (see WP:ESP/ACM2 and WP:ESP/ACM3). As a result, the charter has been ammended twice (see here for details) and all of the shortcuts have been standardised (see the summary for more details). Also of note is the Valentines ball that will take place in the Esperanza IRC channel on the 14th of February (tomorrow). It will start at 6pm UTC and go on until everyone's had enough! I hope to see you all there! Also, the spamlist has been dissolved - all Esperanzians will now recieve this update "newsletter".
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Hi there. I've decided that this has all gone far enough and it is pretty clear that the POV-pusher on the Einstein/Poincaré/Hilbert pages really does have nothing to contribute and is doing nothing but wasting a lot of time. I'm compiling evidence for a RFC and probably eventually an ArbCom case, with the specific assertions that the user has 1. been engaged in rampant POV-pushing and intellectual dishonesty, and 2. been badgering and insulting other Wikipedia editors. Unfortunately compiling the evidence is very time consuming, given that it is spread out over many pages, different accounts and IP addresses, and involves sorting through dozens of diffs. If you want to take a look at it, and contribute anything you are able to, the temp page I am doing this on is User:Fastfission/RFC. Thanks for your time! -- Fastfission 19:50, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Re Sexual intercourse. I find it rather unhelpful of you to revert my edits without comment. It's against policy and not helpful in this case, where I made sensible changes that should at least be discussed. My most elaborate compliments, 87.122.1.157 22:02, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your apologies, and keep the good work. 87.122.15.55 06:37, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
This is my request that you undelete the article John Fine. Both John Fines are important in our community, and the younger John Fine is far from nonsense; he is a national competitor in Policy Debate and has had an enormous effect on the entire 'sport', if you will, especially in the Western States. I think it would be very offensive to the Western States if you simply removed the entry for a person who is truly a master at what he does and a wonderful example in his community, as well as a young person who has truly already had a notable impacet on the sport he loves. Matveiko 04:36, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Re: your comments to a certain page, please don't make me go to Requests for semi-arbitration. At least, not in both universes, anyway. :-) Wikipedian in hiding 05:18, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
I saw that Wikipedia had an overlapping article Homosexuality in the militaries of ancient Greece that was actually a sub-article, covering one section of the main article. In cases like this I edit down a précis of the more narrowly defined article and insert that into the broader one, with a Main article at... heading. The subsection can be as brief as you like, as long as it reflects the major points made in the full-size version. I figure you see the point in these moves. -- Wetman 05:20, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
(This is a reply to your apology left on my Talk page)
Thanks, Paul. I didn't take any of it personally. I was just sick of trying to navigate through the various policies, procedures, etc. and then not finding any kind of consistent approach to implementing them. My opinion is that it makes it very difficult for users like me to figure out how or where to contribute. These inconsistencies also prompted some pretty hostile discussions between myself and some other users. All of this combined to increase my stress and basically discourage me from continuing to contribute. However, I'm going to give it another go and see if I can disregard various users from disregarding the rules, policies and procedures that are implemented here. I still think that this project is a noble undertaking that I have chosen to monitor and participate in. James084 16:48, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the look at Henry Carey (writer). I know that whoever tagged it meant well, and I responded by biting, but, dang it all, this place is going -project crazy, and folks slap tags as if that were an improvement. Slapping a tag is inferior to a note on a talk page. It is when that fails that tags should be used, but, there I was, editing that article about once a week, and suddenly I find that it needs to be cleaned up to meet a higher standard? That was a bit off-putting, as that article is now the best source on the web for information on Carey. It has more information in it than the DNB, and it's less POV than the DNB. It does a better job of integrating the music and satire careers than other sources (although I wish a musical person would research him; I suppose I'll look in the Grove Dictionary some time). It's not that it's an acceptable article being told to improve to a "higher standard," but rather that I thought it was a very good article already above the standards of this place, and, without a word of what the person thought needed to be done, a tag appears, and it's supposed to stay there for 30 days and only be removed by volunteers at this project? It's breath taking. Geogre 08:53, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Paul, thanks for your further edits of the Henry Carey (writer), mine were done in a rush and your corrections are all improvements. As you suggested 'generations' was an accidental typo for 'generation'. Kcordina 16:06, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for taking a look at that. There are some additions made by you-know-who that I still need to review and probably revert (he is fond of inserting things into the article which are completely uncited and unverifiable, such as that Winterberg was involved in only "purely scientific" aspects of the LaRouche group, whatever that is supposed to mean) but I haven't had time to go over much. The work on the notes looks good; again, some of them got messed up because of you-know-who making modifications to the article (they were originally in the correct order). -- Fastfission 21:34, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Bat Ye'or is not a reliable historical source when it comes to saying Maimonides had converted. Every historical document that talks about this says that he and his family fled Cordoba. The wikipedia entry for him says this. Keeping information in an entry that is incorrect because there is a source for it is not reason enough to keep it if the source is incorrect. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mdinowitz ( talk • contribs) 21:39, February 22, 2006 (UTC)
You are correct. I saw what looked like my entry with your edit but I was mistaken. Sorry about that. On the other hand, this whole thing has forced me to learn how to post references and edits. Sorry. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mdinowitz ( talk • contribs) .
I think you may owe 209.161.238.90 ( talk · contribs) a quick apology - the material he was trying to delete appears to be silly nonsense. — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 03:45, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
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==My name is John==
Does this work? I'm still experimenting, I'm quite new. Someone help me, what am I editting??
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There are two pages up for deletion, Cretan/Spartan connection and Revolution within the form. I ask for a vote of Transwiki. Thanks. WHEELER 22:58, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Paul. I've nominated this article for deletion. I see from its history that you may have reasons to believe he is notable. I invite you to join the discussion. -- C S (Talk) 10:34, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Nicholas. I just noticed that you speedy deleted ABSL. May I ask what were your reasons for the deletion? It is definitly not a hoax (as one editor thought) I think an articleI'm don't agree that this should have been deleted. Would you object if I undeleted it. If you still think it should be deleted then it can be sent to AfD. What do you think? Paul August ☎ 21:31, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Nicholas. I'll see what I can come up with. Paul August ☎ 01:31, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Paul, Licorne has quoted Folsing (on the Hilbert page) for a claim that in 1915 Einstein went to Hilbert for help because Einstein couldn't derive the correct field equations. This appears on the Einstein-Action page as well (unsourced). Other sources, including Folsing himself, say that Hilbert invivted Einstein to Gottingin in June-July 1915 for one week of lectures on general relativity. It was Hilbert who went to Einstein, looking for a physics problem to solve. Licorne probably doesn't have a copy of Folsing (he couldn't tell the page number where Folsing says Einstein went to Hilbert for help). Can you sort it out, with your trusty copy of Folsing? Also, good to know is whether Folsing is aware of the printer's proofs of Hilbert's paper. He seems to make no reference to them and therefore makes some mistakes, as far as I can see. Thanks. E4mmacro 07:25, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Oi vey. A mess. Good idea, your relabeling/moving. I was trying to be even handed, but with competing versions of "even handed" going... I think that I've quoted wp:own about four times in this arbitration. - brenneman {T} {L} 23:10, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, the previous edit was either vandalism or, more likely I think, a crazy person. A lot of that stuff is simply not there. We can localize the "Milton was of Satan's party" line of thought in Byron. It was in the air, to some degree, as Blake's Marriage of Heaven and Hell show, but arguing that there is an allegorical valorization of Satan as Cromwell is just plain looney. The comparison to Achilles is telling, because Achilles is a rotten hero for modern readers precisely because he is motivated by selfishness and pride -- values that are sins in Christianity. Milton was never of Satan's party, in my opinion, and no Christian, much less Puritanical Puritan, could see pride as a point of admiration. That takes a later, less religious group.
Now me, I'd stay away from the "who's heroic" altogether. I figure the Satan problem is the problem of narrative and not authorial intent or reception. I think there are structural reasons why he has to be the most interesting character, and they don't reflect Milton's intent or the reader's desires. Instead, I see Paradise Lost as an interesting and monumental effort at redefining the Epic. Milton was all over the classical descriptions of the epic. He knew his Aristotle and Horace well, and he knew there were rules, and he was trying to work out an entirely new epic that could not and should not be read with pagan/Classical expectations.
To me, the only folks who get intoxicated by the Satan-is-a-hero stuff are either too emotionally invested or are using Milton to make their own political statements. (You can guess which camp I put the Fish called Stanley in.) Geogre 23:17, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Hey, please don't block 129.78.64.106 - that's the proxy for the University of Sydney. I've unblocked it; if you have any concerns, please feel free to chat to me on my talk page. enochlau ( talk) 05:32, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, we've done it. Have a look at User:Knowledge Seeker/Encephalon nomination. We're just waiting for acceptance now. Tito xd( ?!? - help us) 05:56, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Paul, I saw your messages to these two chaps and just want to let you know that it was actually my fault, really. I had been planning to do it Sunday afternoon, but ended up only being able to log on past midnight, IIRC. Thank you so much for all the support, it's really very kind of you. :-) — Encephalon 00:41, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Good call putting categories into the transition monoid entry. I'm not too sure about Category:Computational models, though; I'm not sure that viewing finite-state machines algebraically in this way is enough of a difference to qualify as a different model of computation. (Now, recognizability by a monoid is a separate issue, but I don't think anyone's written anything about that yet.) BenetD 19:04, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Please refer to Talk:Compass and straightedge before proceeding; then return here. Thank you.
Please see that I noted the problem on talk before starting work; there were no objections. When I finished the small edits, you wrote: ... if we were to replace "ruler" by "straightedge", the article should be rewritten to reflect that change... I absolutely agree with you and that is the next thing on my To Do list. Will you permit me to finish?
I'm upset that a mathematician would resort to the low argument of "common usage". Up to a point I endorse such a style; I'd rather see the article on Joseph Stalin so titled, rather than Ioseb Jugashvili or even worse, the Cyrillic. But this is mathematics, the study of what is true -- certainly not what is the common notion. If "straightedge" were a bizarre, technical term then I might acquiesce to "ruler"; but it is not. Indeed the correct term's meaning is self-evident, even to the layman.
Have a try at rewriting Ruler so as to make "compass and ruler" seem like the more logical choice. Let me see that text.
Please, let us not descend to "common usage" in our editing of mathematics articles. That road leads to Golden box, Pyramid, and Ball.
Please restore the article to the correct title. Please do not wait for some majority opinion to form. I would not respect any number of "votes" setting π = 3. John Reid 23:31, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm upset, but it's not personal. This is an encyclopedia of fact, not a compendium of commonly-held notions or rumors. I'd hate to think I'd invested my efforts in some sort of hopped-up opinion forum; and it dismays me to think of any other editor inclining to that. I don't think of you as ill-intentioned or thoughtless; merely misguided. You never took a look at the hodgepodge of terms applied to this subject before I began cleanup.
You have your reasons and I have mine. I hope I can persuade you. I cannot think it is necessary to redo or undo any of the good work I've done thus far; all that remains is to rewrite the key article itself. On reflection, perhaps I ought to have done that first. I'd like to believe it's an error I can repair.
I'm sorry, but common usage is a knife that cuts both ways, as I noted on the relevant talk page. If you insist on common usage for "ruler and compass" then you must admit the common interpretation of "ruler"; if you insist on a strict definition of "ruler" then you open the door to the unambiguous "compass and straightedge", since you have already turned your back on common usage. It is precisely in order to avoid this sort of metaphysical thicket that I favor "straightedge".
I don't want you to rewrite Ruler; my point is in the nature of reductio ad absurdum: the article cannot be written coherently so as to support "ruler" as unmarked in the context of compass and straightedge. The passage wherin this very subject is treated makes it extremely clear why "ruler" is the incorrect choice. I believe if you deliberately attempt to reword this article so as to endorse "ruler and compass" and compare versions you will be led out of your error.
It is my position that I did not require preformed consensus in order to do the work I've done ("BB"). I saw a problem and fixed it. If all 125 related articles and 16 redirects had consistently chosen "ruler and compass" I might well have been wise to seek to overturn existing consensus; but that did not exist; nobody could agree on anything.
Having been bold and done work, I think it is you who should return the page to Compass and straightedge, permit me to finish rewriting the text, and then, if you desire, you may seek consensus for your choice. I am bringing order out of chaos; you will be exchanging one order for another.
Should you prevail, please do not omit to rewrite all 125 articles to conform. John Reid 02:41, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
If consensus existed, then it would have spread over all the related articles and made some sort of consistency felt there. It did not. The article in question was linked to in over a hundred articles -- and no single link or text held anything like a clear majority. Each editor, it appears, had his own justification for his own interpretation. I can't agree (in most cases) that there is any local justification for one alternate title that overrides project-wide style. Let the article on Carl Friedrich Gauss use the same text as that on Transcendental number.
At this moment -- unless someone's been going round undoing my work -- all linking articles link directly to Compass and straightedge and every article's mention of the subject outside of a link reflects the same usage. (This with a few exceptions, each with some distinct justification.)
I have not, should not, and shall not, attempt to show which term is more common. It's irrelevant. Seven monkeys swinging from a tree all shouting "coconut" does not make it so. There is no limit to the number of things which are commonly called by an incorrect, ambiguous, misleading name.
It's clear that no argument will prevail with you that rests on truth and accuracy; you are only interested in majority opinion. I can't argue with you on your ground and you won't listen to me on mine. That's fine; I don't insist that anyone agree with me.
If you truly feel that your choice of title is correct, then don't stop at undoing only a portion of my work; undo it all. If you think it's better to have 16 different variations of the title, then simply revert my edits as you go. If you think your choice should prevail uniformly, then make that change; now that I've done the hard work, you can probably do it with a bot. But please don't stop in the middle, throwing a monkey wrench into the gears just before I complete the job.
I'll ask again: Please return the article to what is now its canonical title, as shown in every other article in the project. Seek consensus for some other change, if you like. Or be bold and fix all these pages to suit yourself. John Reid 22:58, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Oleg, I apologize to you and to Paul if either of you feel I've been uncivil. I haven't expended needless words in empty courtesy but be assured I have the utmost respect for Paul's professional abilities. If you can tell me in exactly what way I have been "harsh", I will endeavor to correct that.
The only reason it now is bot-easy to correct a hundred articles from the correct form to some "common usage" is that I already went through by hand and fixed them. This was grueling, boring, tedious work; it was very difficult for me to stay on task, since so many of the articles I touched have more pressing and glaring needs. I don't like to think it was effort wasted.
Paul, I agree that the time is past to settle the matter "out of court". Now it's going to go through the RM wrangle and that's that. I don't really feel up to a vehement defense of my position in any forum and whatever happens, it's just one thing. I expect you to support your position vigorously and I hope you will never read into my considered defense any faint resemblance to a personal comment. I simply feel that this is a point of fact, not of opinion. John Reid 04:02, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm not here to grind away at my preference but to ensure there's no misunderstanding of my intent in writing Inconsistency makes us look like fools and amateurs. I feel this is very true but it's not intended as a personal assault nor do I believe we are fools; at least some of us are not amateurs. It's a matter of perception.
I don't find good justification for a wide range of terms used to describe a subject, regardless of context. I might go so far as to endorse perhaps 3 such: one to be used in articles directly connected to the subject, one for those in the same general field, and one for those whose connection to the subject is tenuous, exceptional, trivial, or accidental. Even so I would seek a term that had the broadest possible applicability and seek to extend it rather than alter it to fit.
If you browse my contribs on this subject you'll see that I have managed to rewrite nearly every related article, near and far, to use the preferred text. In many cases I retained the word "construction". Although I feel it's superfluous to a reader with background, one without may be brought to some sort of comfort or recognition with the addition. Note however that I eliminated all hyphenated phrases; I can think of no context that demands them. I also eliminated the plural of "construction" in every case; construction is an art and a theory which does not admit of count. Yes, it can also be taken as a thing accomplished, which may reasonably be pluralized; but this is unnecessary when referring to the subject as a whole -- it's only appropriate when speaking of this particular construction or that, then another, then both together. Nor is there any justification for inversion of word order -- none at all. Thus I reduced 16 alternate terms to 2; one an extension of the other.
In a very few circumstances I let stand the additional needless word "unmarked"; this was usually in dab pages or articles so distantly related that I felt the emphasis was justified; or when the necessary condition was itself under discussion. And in one case -- Ruler -- I allowed the link to stand as ruler and compass construction as the very passage in that article is an indictment of that usage.
Obviously, that's how I think it should be done in order to present an image of competency, reliability, and professionalism. Self-consistency is a superficial but surprisingly reliable way to determine the authority and accuracy of a source; it never fails to amaze me how many cranks and fools cannot keep their terms straight. I hope we may distinguish ourselves. John Reid 03:50, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Paul. In the Dionysus article, you removed the bullets in front of the footnotes. I thought they made it look more readable and was following prior practice from other articles. The Wikipedia footnotes guidelines seem to show a numeric indentation. Cf. Wikipedia:Footnotes. I think they might be more legible with bullets. Any ideas ? Thanks. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 18:55, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Paul. Thanks for your kind reply. Yes, styles vary. Hmm. No problem with "Notes" v. "Footnotes". I'll have to come up with some older pages which I haven't edited with bulleted footnotes if I can as examples. I guess since the ref/note mechanism and the current encouraged mechanism (ref, /ref, reference/) by Wikipedia all seem to indent since they use numbered lists rather than the rf/ent mechanism. So that's where I think I remember seeing indentation first: the ref/note mechanism where people used numbered lists -- which indent. Don't know ultimately which is more visually useful. Thanks for your thoughts. Time for reflection. ;) BTW, is the new non-template mechanism as documented on Wikipedia:Footnotes considered a standard for Wikipedia use? Or just a recommendation? As you correctly say, styles vary widely within Wikipedia articles. Thanks again and Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 20:10, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, Paul. I agree with what you've said. I do also find the up arrow thingees a bit odd. I have a hard time stuffing a long footnote in the article proper as well. It seems to disturb the raw editing process, although it comes out properly in the seen final article. Indeed, thanks for your thoughts as ever. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 21:02, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
I dont care if you hate him, just show some respect for him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.49.190.161 ( talk • contribs) 20:28, April 3, 2006
Can you block this user or 24 hours, or semi-protect the article? The Mr. T thing was an April Fools, just like this character. Sparky 20:38, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Good Job, thanks. Sparky 17:54, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi Paul,
I was wondering why you have removed the link to [Humbug! Online], from the Logical Fallacy entry, when this weblog specifically deals with logical fallacies?
Including a fallacy list section, all with actual examples of:
* Appeal to Authority * Argument by Artifice * Argument by Slogan * Argument to Consequences * Begging the Question * Browbeating * Burden of Proof * Burden of Solution * Cultural Origins * Exaggerated Conflict * Factoid Propagation * False Analogy * False Attribution * False Cause; Correlation Error * False Compromise * False Dichotomy * False Dilemma * False Positioning * Gibberish * Impugning Motives * LAME claim * Misuse of Information * Moral Equivalence * Moving the Goalposts * Naturalistic Fallacy * Non Sequitur * Observational Selection * Personal Abuse * Poisoning the Well * Popular Opinion * Reductio Ad Absurdum * Sanctimony * Self Defeating Argument * Simple-Minded Certitude * Single Cause * Slippery Slope * Special Pleading * Stacking the Deck * Unfounded Generalization * Weasel Words
There is little difference between this site and Fallacy Files. It is an excellent resource, specifically designed to remove the esoteric language used to describe fallacies and put them in lay terms.
Also, if you will allow me, I'll add links to: http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/categories/37-Fallacy-of-the-Week and http://thenonsequitur.com/, and http://changingminds.org/disciplines/argument/fallacies/fallacies_alpha.htm, which have a similar purpose - dealing with fallacies.
Regards - Theo Clark (Humbug! Online).
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Theo Clark ( talk • contribs) 05:05, April 6, 2006
Hi Paul,
You say, "In my opinion…". Could you please elaborate on that somewhat? (Given you are clearly interested in fallacies, I'm sure you'd agree opinions without justification lack merit.) I see no significant difference between Humbug Online and The Fallacy Files, or the other sites I've added. They are all useful sites apropos to deepening one's understanding of informal fallacies and using an understanding of fallacious reasoning in everyday situations.
Yes, a website about fallacies, linked to from the wikipedia entry on fallacies will get a few hits from it… I'm not too sure as to your point here? That is the point isn't it? Surely this means wikipedia is a useful research tool - it's point?
As far as the commercial interests goes, the link to the book leads offsite, and more importantly, there is substantially more content on the blog (now, as it keeps being added to) than in the book. And surely wikipedia users are entitled to make up their own minds? (I am aware of spam issues, and blatant attempts of commercialisation, but I'd assume you, having had a good look at the blog so you were able to make an informed decision, would realise my genuine interest in fallacious thinking given the frequency and the detail of posts.)
I've added some of the above to a discussion about this Talk:Logical_fallacy#Links, so I would appreciate it if a few editors made this decision, not just one - otherwise it seems somewhat arbitrary.
Regards,
Theo Clark 17:23, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Paul, and I am genuinely motivated by the need for more "critical thinkers" out there (I'm a Science Teacher), which is what got me into fallacies in the 1st place.
Theo Clark
17:42, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
While I agree with the intention behind your moving section Relationships to after Da Vinci's achievements, this has introduced a small problem, namely that Melzi and Salai(no) appear in the text without having been introduced; in particular the significance of "Salai was not forgotten" is unclear. Perhaps you can think of a way of addressing this. By the way, I don't understand the sudden shift from "Salaino" to "Salai". Articles in other languages that mention the character at all appear to only use "Salai", without mention that this is a nickname. The online Italian dictionaries that I consulted don't have an entry for "salai(no)". Lambiam Talk 12:05, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi Paul, nice to hear you :-) It's all okay here, and I'm happy to hear you're returning to Monterosso. As for the help I gave to Lambiam, that was a pleasure. Ciao! -- Aldux 14:52, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
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Hi! I noticed that in your sandbox User:Paul_August/Sandbox you have the categories still activated, so it's showing up in Category:PlanetMath sourced articles and Category:Mathematical logic. Could I suggest that you deactivate them (by putting a colon before 'Category' in the link) until such time as the article is in the mainspace rather than the userspace? (As per WP:CG, "If you copy an article to your user namespace (for example, as a temporary draft or in response to an edit war) you should decategorize it.".) Cheers, Ziggurat 23:47, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
So, it appears that Attalus I is going to be on the main page. She's walking down the aisle at last. (April 25, 2006.) Congratulations. Geogre 14:24, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
In true ancient fashion, I suspect that the sheets will be a gory display for all after all the visitors to the featured article on the main page decide to alter things here and there. (More and my metaphor would be unDonne.) Geogre 03:06, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Whore or not, she was very moved by the attention. — Encephalon 14:02, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Since this isn't the result of an AC meeting, I have decided to go Old Skool. This note is to remind you that the elections are taking place now and will end at 23:50 UTC on 2006-04-29. Please vote here. Thanks. -- Cel es tianpower háblame 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Hey Paul, it was such a pleasure seeing Attalus I on the main page. It's deserved a spot forever. Here's to more of your contribs being mainpaged.:-) Cheers — Encephalon 13:56, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
The proof which I reproduced and referenced on the page is published in print as well as online at many, many websites so I doubt there would be a copyright violation if the proof were published here. I just have not had time to see if it is already published in the Wikipedia but may have time later. The purpose for including the text of the proof in the body of the article is simply to make it easier for the reader to follow the refutation. Although not as easy to follow I have included a link to an external website where the proof is published and I will not revert your deletion of the proof on the body of the article unless or until a Wikipedia reproduction is found.
The refutation however is not copyrighted and is submitted in accordance with the GFDL -- PCE
Original Message
From: "Rudy Rucker" <rudy@rudyrucker.com>
To: "Honesty is the BEST policy." <pce3@ij.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Permission to reproduce Godel Incompleteness Theorem proof
I don't mind if you quote this page; I think it's
all over the web anyway. Do look at a printed
copy of the book and make sure you've quoted it
accurately, as typos may have crept in.
I also notice you say you want to "refute" the theorem. I am absolutely certain that your refutation will be fallacious. You have no idea how many people have written me over the years with incorrect refutations! One thing to keep in mind is that my passage is only a suggestive summary of the argument, which is a bit more refined. When you have the entry up, send me a link, so I can add a comment defending myself and Godel, should I have the inclination and the time.
Thanks for your interest in my work,
Rudy R.
At 02:34 AM 5/3/2006, you wrote:
>Hi Rudy,
>
>I would like to ask your permission to reproduce
>the following excerpt from your book: Infinity
>and the Mind. under the GNU license at the
>Wikipedia site:
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_GNU_Free_Documentation_L
icense
>so that it will be easier for readers to follow
>a discussion of the proof's refutation. If this
>is okay please reply and if not then I will
>simply rely upon an external link to a site where it can be found.
>
>Thanks,
-- PCE 02:47, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
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Hi, you are correct that there are sources for this article, which on its face suggests that it is not OR. However, note that all of the references are by the editor who created the page. This is what struck me as being OR about it, although technically you are correct. Well, I guess this thing will find its way to AfD and I suspect I know what its fate will be...:) -- Deville ( Talk) 19:02, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Let's discuss which term is better!! QQ 16:16, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sheffer_stroke#Name_Change_:_Sheffer_Stroke_.E2.86.92_Logical_NAND
if you think "Sheffer Stroke" is less common than "Logical NAND"?? QQ 16:38, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I think moving Sheffer Stroke to Logical NAND is not possible, by wikipedia's historical reason... QQ 18:03, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Negation
Could you please talk about it in the above link??
In my opinion, if you think moving article EACH TIME requires discussion, you should talk to the committee of wikipedia.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by QQ ( talk • contribs) 17:52, May 28, 2006
Hi Paul,
The transliterations "Suslin" and "Souslin" are both frequently seen, though I think I see "Suslin" a bit more often. We don't seem to have a bio on him; that would be a nice addition (can't find too much on Google). -- Trovatore 04:45, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Paul. I have to say something about article. Before about 2 or 3days ago, I saw that my edit was reverted by you. I mean I tell about this [18] . That means you reverted my edits. I just changed Understand and describing change into Understand and Describing Change. I don't know why you reverted back to last version. You considered this is vandalism. But, I didn't attempt to vandalize the article. Anyways. Leave me message on my discussion's page No.64. Ok? Daniel5127, 04:45, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I am ready to present justifications for each of those changes, but sincerely hope you and Hillman might simply accept them as reasonable so that I don't need to waste more hours on this. There is one additional change that I think is fair: to substitute "non-mainstream" for the pejorative, value laden term "fringe."
Otherwise I think we have come to an entry that is accurate and fair. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Haisch ( talk • contribs) 16:47, June 11, 2006
I would greatly appreciate your continued involvement in getting this article to be factual and unbiased. Christine keeps letting her bias show through and does not even see it (see the latest on the Bernard Haisch article talk page). Haisch 16:33, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
How do we do this? Would you mind terribly making an updated list of the differences so that we have a current point of reference. I feel really lost and overwhelmed by this discussion scattered across many pages. Actually, Paul, I really do think the kind and ethical thing would be to work backwards from my version. It is my reputation that has been attacked and here I am fighting an uphill battle. I am really beginning to see the dark side of Wikipedia. Please do consider re-reverting to mine to work down from that... please. Haisch 17:15, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Again, thanks for your intervention. But what gives Christine Hillman the right to set the terms? You have as much right as she does. And what about my rights? Now that I see this process up close, I can begin to appreciate those who were tainted as "commies" by McCarthy. That's how I see her fixation on the obviously biased term "fringe." Have you seen "Good Night and Good Luck?" Haisch 17:48, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I will await your updated list of differences on the talk page of the article, and then give my reasons for each one. Thanks for your efforts. It is genuinely appreciated. Haisch 18:59, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Do you have any objection to my putting up a "disputed notice" on the article page until these issues are resolved? 69.107.150.126 20:30, 12 June 2006 (UTC) Thought I was logged in but I wasn't. Haisch 20:32, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you, and welcome to you too! -Dan 20:57, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Paul, I don't think anyone can discuss anything with Haisch until he calms down and agrees to play by our rules WP:CIV- WP:AGF. I think I have bent over backwards to be helpful to him as a newbie but his childish insults are beginning to grow tiresome. Please note that I have urged him several times to review our policies for talk page behavior.
I made a good regarding the version of Bernard Haisch I cited in my previous message. This would be too confusing to try to explain, so let's start again.
I have reverted to my most recent version and am willing to discuss line by line, but only after Haisch has taken a few days to calm down. I don't think the differences between my version and his are really that huge, but I resist the idea that he should be given license to rewrite his own wikibiography in his own words, since I think this compromises WP:NPOV.
In the service of our readers, I think it is important that our articles should strive to be readable as well as fair and factually accurate, and that is why I think it is best that I implement any changes the WP community feels are neccessary in Bernard Haisch: comparing his versions and mine I think it is obvious that I am the better writer, at least on this subject, and since I wrote the original version I also can more easily see where to fit in new material in a way which respects the flow of ideas.
Just to be clear: do you disagree with the principle that the subject of a wikibiography should be discouraged from himself writing or rewriting his own wikibiography? Please note that everyone appears to agree that the subject can contribute on the talk page to express concerns, suggest factual corrections, or describe changes he desires. However, as I say, I think it is best if more neutral editors make any changes to the article itself. --- CH 18:18, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Paul, please help. Hillman has taken down the Disputation banner. That should certainly be my right to display. This is inappropriate behaviour on Hillman's part. Haisch 19:47, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
I have responed to the latest version. I think we are converging at last. Thanks. Haisch 19:25, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Just to let you know that I have again replied. Haisch 00:01, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey, Paul, long time. Noticing your copyedit to Belton House, I got worried that I might have somehow overwritten your changes, when I saved my Footnote Frenzy edit, because in fact there isn't anything different between here (mine) and here (yours) (bar only a shortened paragraph space or something). I didn't get an edit conflict, but sometimes one mysteriously fails to, and the server was altogether blowing hot and cold yesterday. Alternatively, I suppose you might have been working in a text editor and inadvertently saved The Wrong Version or something. Anyway, I just thought you might want to check it out. Best, Bishonen | talk 09:18, 17 June 2006 (UTC).
Hiya Paul,
There's currently some renewed discussion about whether and how to set up [a] US wikimedia chapter[s]. Among other things this could help better organize meetups, gatherings at large events and cons, and local outreach. I'm notifying people who have been actively involved in local meetups; if you are interested, there is a quiet mailing-list and a meta-page on the topic... both of which could use input and ideas. +sj + 17:30, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Once again, thank you for your intervention.
Could you clarify the issue regarding Hillman's proper name. I believe I am using her correct name.
All necessary biographical information on me is available at CV. With regard to your suggestion that "as much as you think Chris' behaviour has been inappropriate, I think saying so is probably unhelpful" that is part of the problem. No one should be expected to sit back and be passive when one's carrer is being inappropriately misconstrued. I have tried and will continue to be civil, and indeed appreciative for assistance from you. But I maintain that Hillman has shown enough bias to warrant ceasing further involvement with my entry. But once again, thank you. Haisch 18:55, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
By the way, have a look at the Discussion page of the Journal of Scientific Exploration by others than me and you will see further evidence of NPOV violation by Hillman. Haisch 19:00, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I think my good friend Larry Sanger created a Frankenstein when he set up this anonymous editing. You see, my career is totally out in the open and it would be really nice if Wikipedians were not allowed to be so shadowy (note that I did not say shady, a different connotation). I would prefer to deal with people whose identity I actually know, as all of you know mine. There is an unfair asymmetry here. As for the Hillman nomenclature, Chris apparently made the same transition one of my best friends made, but my friend did everything in the open and managed to continue a highly successful career in astrophysics in her new persona, which I greatly admired. There was no attempt to become "this mysterious entity." Haisch 05:52, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't want to edit your words, but the nickname for Humphrey Bogart is " Bogie", not " Boogie". Makes a difference! :-) -- KSmrq T 13:37, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. See what happened. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.
As a result, we are electing 4 people this month. They will replace JoanneB and Pschemp and form a new tranche A, serving until December. Elections will begin on 2006-07-02 and last until 2006-07-09. If you wish to run for a Council position, add your name to the list before 2006-07-02. For more details, see Wikipedia:Esperanza/June 2006 elections.
Thanks and kind, Esperanzial regards, — Cel es tianpower háblame 16:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
I see that I typed an extra ~ at Talk:Mathematics. Thanks for fixing it for me. JPD ( talk) 14:52, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Stop vandalising over on wikiquote. KaIki 03:42, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the message - It was a thrilling time, something to remember forever. Giano | talk 19:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Paul, unfortunately I missed until just now your comment on my user talk page about the "lame edit war". I am very sorry that apparently you took offense. I guess I failed to explain that (1) my reference to a "lame edit war" was tongue in cheek (and in any case, it takes two to edit war, so I was laughing at myself too) (2) the "edit war" derived from differing assumptions: you believe that the section title describes the first comment in that section, while I felt it should describe the tensor/content of the discussion. In any case, I am not so wedded to the latter belief that I would wish to truly offend you (or anyone) over such a trivial issue, nor do I want to forego your continued commentary in the ongoing discussion there. So, sorry, and please come back whenever you like! Even if you want to express disagreement with something I said, since I probably benefit more from that type of comment, which can help me hone my arguments or clarify my thinking. BTW, if it helps, I reverted the section title and will stop toying with it.--- CH 04:27, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Jorcoga 02:58, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Michael 03:54, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
(have a third - you can share it with your friends :) ) - Ladybirdintheuk 06:44, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Why did you revert this article? I removed a bunch of comments which amounted to a little more than an unjustified gripe from what appears to be a dissatisfied customer who seems to be unable to read the fine print on the IB website. If you care to make a contribution to the page, please do so, but let the Talk:Interactive Brokers page be your guide.
Wikipedia would be absolute chaos if every dissatisfied customer of every corporate entity was allowed to air all of their gripes at length. The editor was literally arguing about pocket change to most IB users, arguments that really foreshadow the massive cost savings that IB represents for most of its customers compared to other brokerage firms.
64.110.251.69 03:11, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
No prob. Thnkx.
64.110.251.69 03:22, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I wish you all the best on the ocasion of your wiki-birthday. Have a nice and creative time. -- Bhadani 12:33, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks MD, and thanks also to EvocativeIntrigue, and Bhadani, my day's been very good so far! ;-) Paul August ☎ 17:33, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Michael 03:12, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
In the article on Absolute Value you recently removed the notations for real and imaginary part I had placed in the section on complex numbers. In your edit summary, you said they were "undefined." I am confused, as these notations used in the articles on real and imaginary parts. On the other hand, I am pleased that when reverting it, you added the condition that x and y must be real numbers, ensuring that they are in fact the real and imaginary parts of z. Although both definitions are eaqually true, I merely believe that when the dfinition explicitly specifies the real and imaginary parts, it is easier for a reader to follow to the next conclusion that ties it the pythagorean theorem and states that it represents the distance from the origin. -- He Who Is[ Talk ] 00:59, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Paul, thank you for your flattering words of support on the RFARB workshop page. They are much appreciated. Bishonen | talk 19:25, 27 July 2006 (UTC).
/Bishzilla will not be drawn, stares unblinkingly at Paul. When he starts to run in circles, squealing with fear, she picks him up, holds him experimentally to her ear, is visibly displeased by the high-pitched little noises. The crowd cover their eyes in horror. Hic caetera desunt. Bishonen | talk 07:17, 29 July 2006 (UTC).
Thank you for your supportive comments here [20] They are appreciated. That Fred Bauder thinks I can be banned instead of Eternal Equinox has caused me to have a severe sense of humour failure. In retrospect, of course instead of making light of Eternal Equinox, I should have taken her very seriously - which is what she wanted - but frankly she and her edits on our talk pages were (at best) a joke - so one could either laugh or cry, and crying has never been my style. That Fred Bauder thinks Bishonen should be "cautioned" is, in short, disgusting. She seems to spend hours and hours trying to create harmony on the site, and takes her responsibilities as an admin 100 times more seriously then most of the others. I think the Arb-com now needs a huge kick, and to rid itself of insulting and incompetent buffoons. I expect I shall stick around Wikipedia, but at the moment it is at an all time low. Sorry this is a (sort of) spammed message. Thanks once again, it's nice to feel supported. Giano | talk 19:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
So long as it is you in the red tights on the ground it is funny! Come to think of it the one with the dagger standing up looks half-witted - is he a member of some Wikipedia committee? - so I don't want to be him either but it's a nice thought! Giano | talk 21:42, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok, folks, tell me what's wrong with boxes and templates. I've begun [21] writing up my idears. Geogre 14:08, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
It was great meeting you too at the party. Too bad we didn't have a chance to talk at Wikimania again. (I had connection problems with my Nokia at this mother of all Wiki-meetups, & wasn't until I was at the airport in Chicago that I finaly figured out how I could have made it all work. But then, I was more interested in connecting with human-based protocols there, & not network-based ones.) -- llywrch 16:06, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Would you be willing to comment, here: [22] Slrubenstein | Talk 15:42, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Paul. A lot has already been said on the talk pages and frankly I am not sure what anyone else could add. Things have also quieted down. However, for a short time it looked like two or three recent editors were about to seriously weaken the policy, while claiming to defend it. All I can ask is that you keep it on your watchlist (the policy page). At some point it will be unblocked, and at that time it will be important that experienced knowledgable editors keep an eye on it to protect it against any edits that weaken it. Thanks, Slrubenstein | Talk 16:27, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I love you man. Dfrg.m s c 1 . 2 . 3 06:41, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi Paul,
have you noticed the activities of User:WATARU? Seems to be up to his old tricks at perfect number and division ring. -- Trovatore 03:11, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Giano, one of our best editors has finally been driven away from Wikipedia, and I've decided to stop editing for a month to protest the poor treatment he has received, and the editorial climate that has allowed this. You could say I am on strike, à la mode (and no that doesn't mean "with ice cream"):
Some things that have bothered me:
ALoan expresses my thoughts well:
I encourage everyone to use my page for a constructive conversation concerning the above, and the current state of affairs on our 'pedia. I'll check back in a month. Regards all. Paul August ☎ 17:43, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
People who don't even know where the articles come from are deciding that their egos' needs are greater than community, consent, consensus, and common sense, are deciding that their private beliefs are superior to the negotiated rules of the site, and are deciding that they know better than all others. For that, they deserve no articles, no input, no debate, no conversation, and no more than the isolation of their self-congratulations and self-adulation. My own strike was a labor action, and I agree with others with the same impulse. Pretty boxes and category tags and stub parades will never take the place of people willing to put their professional-level work on a volunteer project. And, if we were all replaced tomorrow, the replacements, like scabs, would soon join the desertion unless conditions were to change. Geogre 17:52, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
I endorse the view that things are messed up around here. Carnildo's RfA was a travesty, and there is nothing I can say about Tony Sidaway's behavior of late that doesn't infringe WP:NPA. — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 18:13, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Good luck with your break. I can't stop you going, but I think I am staying for the time being, in an effort to try to counterbalance the prevailing idiocy. I think Geogre's WP:IAA must be the way forward. Please come back in a month - enough good people have left already. -- ALoan (Talk) 19:05, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Ah, so this is where the party is; I feel a little out of place in the illustrious company here, but I feel compelled to post here after the singularly unpleasant experience of reading over the administrators' noticeboard and several other pages just now. Talented, committed writers are the heart of this project, especially now as issues of quality, not quantity, become paramount, and without them we cannot move forward. This whole episode is very discouraging, but hopefully something worthwhile can come out of it. Come back Paul, in a month or sooner; the ideal of a great free encyclopedia still deserves all of our efforts, and this project is too valuable to abandon. -- Robth Talk 15:36, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Enjoy your break, and I hope we'll see you back around in a few weeks. I can't say that I entirely agree with you - Giano and Ghirlandjo both badly needed to cool it and weren't getting the message, but at the same time, they're both good editors, and I'm fed up with people being needlessly provocative towards generally good people. Rebecca 23:26, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
FYI, I've sent you an email. JoshuaZ 18:24, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
You will be missed on Mathematics, where I think you have helped to successfully achieve consensus as we improve the article. Stephen B Streater 18:58, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
I've also sent you an Email.-- CSTAR 19:56, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
As have I. (Though the Wikipedia e-mail tends to be slow and unreliable at times...) Mindspillage (spill yours?) 17:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Paul, check this out: [25] bunix 01:59, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi all, I'm back from my "strike". Thanks for all the kind words above. Looks like I missed a lot of things while I was gone. Giano's reincarnation, Tony and Kelly's various resignations, Geogre's proposed de-sysopping by Fred … I hardly know what to say. Paul August ☎ 21:39, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Paul. Bishonen | talk 12:17, 18 October 2006 (UTC).
Thanks for putting the correct symbol for proper superset in Subset. I'm glad that someone knew where to find it; as my note on the Discussion page said, I was making the best correction that I could in the interim... Pawl 17:30, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
The info on her alternate deaths was sourced, there was no reason in editing it. The suicide itself is speculation —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.26.131.217 ( talk • contribs) 13:53, October 23, 2006
Just wanted to let you know a featured article you worked on, 0.999..., was featured today on the Main Page. Tobacman 00:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Cheers. This gives me the opportunity to congratulate you on that excellent article, which must have taken hours of painstaking work. I knew nothing about the subject in advance (even though I've traipsed round a few Greek ruins in Turkey) and thoroughly enjoyed reading it. qp10qp 15:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I believe you wanted to !vote delete, right? ~ trialsanderrors 18:45, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
this diff [27]
the two mathematical statements that you changed are true only because of their definition. there is no other reason for equality there other than equivalence. (you can answer here or the article talk page, i'm watching both.) r b-j 22:27, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for reverting the vandal on my page. Hu 02:01, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for editing Element. Really. It's a bit below par, and could a bit of content. However, I noted that you replaced with ∈. On IE (the browser that I use at school; I use Firefox at home), the latter is displayed as box: it's an unsupported character. So, if you have no objections, I'd like to change it back so that on all browsers, the true symbol is displayed. Is that OK? -- Gracenotes T § 20:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
All praise for restoring the lost bit of text (with footnote link) about Prosymnus. And rew D alby 15:50, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
After some thought, and talking it over with some folks I respect, I've decided to volunteer for ArbCom. You can read my candidate statement. Paul August ☎ 15:14, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Spartaz. I've answered your Tongue in Cheek Question ;-). Thanks for asking. Paul August ☎ 20:55, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
You recently blocked 65.164.168.38 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) (about 15 seconds ahead of me). Should we go back and look at his previous "contributions" to see if they've all been caught? (I don't want to duplicate effort.) — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 19:34, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Paul. Just writing to say that the 'dubious edits' on the Jason article did not seem dubious to this user. Can you please elaborate? Solipsist3 01:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks very much for being so obliging and helpful, Paul, however I must point out that you spelt my name wrong above. Solipsist3 is not tolerant of typos. Solipsist3 06:24, 4 December 2006 (UTC) Further to this case, Solipsist3 has decided after a late night emergency meeting that Paul August's name shall be added to the prestigious and exclusive list of Best Friends that appears on Solipsist3's user page. Solipsist3 hopes that Paul August is appropriately humbled by this honour. Solipsist3 06:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello, I put that self-link in Recursion because I thought it was funny - nobody objected on the talk page. Several serious encyclopedias have this in the see also-section - why can't we? :) - basically, it was intentional, nobody seemed to mind, can you please put it back? toresbe 23:31, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, I've edited the talk page now. I will pend on your approval, as written. toresbe 00:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC) -- Just a reminder, I've updated the talk page now. Will you please give your thoughts? Regards, toresbe 03:01, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I'm Ral315, editor of the Wikipedia Signpost. We're doing a series on ArbCom candidates, and your response is requested.
Please respond on my talk page. We'll probably go to press late Monday or early Tuesday (UTC), but late responses will be added as they're submitted. Thanks, Ral315 ( talk) 01:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Paul,
As you've noticed, I'm on a tear through general topology, which was going well, until I went to revise/merge/update filter (mathematics), when I stumbled on a very simple conceptual issue. Could you look at the talk page, and tell me what I'm doing wrong? linas 16:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
I assume this is what Filiocht had in mind. I would so love to put this in as a footnote and not even mention it's being fiction (and utter nonsense). . . I do think it conveys Nabokov's opinion pretty well. What do you think? Chick Bowen 20:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I believe you would (will) make an excellent member of the arbitration committee. They are very short-staffed, and (I believe) a bit frazzled. I have little experience on Wikipedia in relation to your own, but in my humble opinion the presence of an editor such as your self would be greatly appreciated and sorely needed. Happy Editing! NinaEliza 05:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
[28] (hangs head, and makes appointment with eye doctor). Chick Bowen 01:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
On Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2006/Summary table, I added a column "Examples" with links that exhibit a candidate's arbitration skills. My motivation is that as a voter, I don't want to just rely on a candidate's words, but also see their actions. Moreover, I believe a portfolio of "model cases" to remember in difficult situations can be useful for each candidate, as well.
I entered one case, in which I was involved, you may want to check if this expresses what you feel is a model case. While you're gone, I will also go through your questions page and see if I can find more there. — Sebastian (talk) 00:24, 4 December 2006 (UTC) (Please reply on this page.)
When you get back, you'll find two unanswered questions from me on your ArbCom question and answers page. Please have a look. -- Cyde Weys 17:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi Paul, just to let you know that you reserve the right not to answer the questions. I recommend that you refer to this, this and this for some context first. - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 15:40, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Since I posted these questions en masse, I'm probably going to "vote" en masse as well. I admire your candor. NinaEliza 00:04, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for restoring the "foreign language" links deleted by User:68.190.89.38, who treads the borderline of vandalism. -- Wetman 06:47, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi there, my name is Neille and I'm a producer at a public radio show called Weekend America. We're doing a piece on the ArbCom elections and would love to chat with you as a front runner if you have a few minutes today or tomorrow. Thanks! I'm at: nilel (at) marketplace (dot) org Neille i 19:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that you deleted the alternate definitions an anon (156.56.70.58) added to the page. These definitions were incorrect so I'm glad you removed them. I thought it was best to have alternate exists-forall definitions for all of the entries, though, so I added some to the article. This is just a heads-up: the definitions I added aren't the same as the anon's. CRGreathouse ( t | c) 08:14, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Looks like a bot that is automatically signing for users all across the encyclopedia. Very nifty. As a test, I, Cyde, am leaving this unsigned.
Hrmm, it looks like the bot hasn't been running for over an hour now. Maybe it malfunctioned, or its owner shut it off? -- Cyde Weys 19:11, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
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The issue of loyalty to friends and the question of whether I would recuse in an ArbCom case in which I had a conflict of interest, has come up on my vote page. Ii seems like a good idea for me to respond here:
I would like to assure everyone that I most certainly would recuse. Yes I have developed some very wonderful Wiki-friendships. (Who knows, perhaps one day with you ;-)) I am loyal to those to the extent that I am willing to go the extra mile, during rush hour traffic, detour, get lost, seek alternate routes", fix a flat, run out of gas, and hitch hike to wherever I'm needed. However none of this extends to my judgments about what is best for Wikipedia. In my view, the encyclopedia always comes first.
Paul August ☎ 18:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I said that because I feel that loyalty is something that is rarely tested and yet plays a critical role in how we act. Your endorsement of Geogre and UninvitedCompany raised quite a few eyebrows, and when closely questioned on it you claimed neither one was particularly controversial. At least a few people decided then and there that while you were an excellent editor and fairminded you might not be totally impartial.
I'd like to expand this, so that you don't get the wrong idea, or think that I disrepect you or your viewpoint. One thing I'm very firm about, no matter how long I'll be at Wikipedia, is that I shouldn't be an admin. The primary reason for that isn't my incivility, or my tendancy to sarcasm and irony, but rather my loyalty and inability to act in an impartial manner. I take it so far as to not touch articles on medical care, Neverwinter Nights, the PRC, or any other topic where I have both personal expertese and a strong opinion. I would never try to mediate between a friend on Wiki and another user, either.
Taking this back to my vote, I feel that your loyalty to your friends is admirable. If you trust Geogre and UninvitedCompany, if you feel they are better qualified and agree with their platforms, then I am glad you are brave enough to say that publically, and that you value your friendship with them over the votes it might have cost you, unlike some people who would have backpedaled on such a thing. However, that type of loyalty does not eagerly lend itself to impartiality. While I appreciate the fact you would recuse yourself in a case where you felt you had a conflict of interest, I'm unable to vote support since I don't know if you would recognize such as a conflict of interest. You seem a very calm, uncontroversial man with calmly held opinions and a desire to help improve Wikipedia, and I don't know how well you would handle things if one of your friends got hounded out of Wikipedia and backstabbed like MONGO is now.
I appreciate your comment and honesty, apologize for the length of this comment, and hope you accept this in the good faith I write it in. Good luck in your election effort.
-- Elar a girl Talk| Count 19:09, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I appreciate you fixing the use of rf/ent in infinity but I was sorta hoping to use that as a test bed. It's the only article I've found that has spaces in the template calls *and* more than one note. Glad someone is handling this. Gimmetrow 06:00, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Sorry if you thought I was vandalizing Ares. My intent was to break apart the section into two paragraphs, which I just did. Please do not hesistate to tell me if this edit shouldn't be done. s d 3 1 4 1 5 final exams! 23:49, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I've added the "{{ prod}}" template to the article Mathematics and God, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also " What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at Talk:Mathematics and God. You may remove the deletion notice, and the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. Ioannes Pragensis 10:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations! ;-) SlimVirgin (talk) 03:34, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks to you all. Will, I hope I live up to your expectations. KC, I will definitely hope for some of those good wishes to come true. Yes Aldux, condolences indeed, but I will try my best, and Buon anno to you too ;-) Jossi, I don't think "enjoy" is the word I'd use, but as in gifts, it's the thought that counts ;-) To all, thanks for your kind words, I hope I am, and continue to be, deserving of them. Any advice, counsel or criticism will be very welcome. If you think I've made a mistake, I want to know. If think I've done a good job, thanks will be much appreciated. I can use all the help I can get. Thanks again, and Buon anno a tutti :) Paul August ☎ 23:33, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello. Congratulations for your election. You now have oversight access on the English-language Wikipedia. Please read Wikipedia:Oversight before using this feature. Cheers! guillom 10:02, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Or should I say, my sympathies. :) I just saw the announcement on your appointment to the ArbCom. Wear the hat well. User:Zoe| (talk) 17:10, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Congrats! Guettarda 18:52, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Oleg. I hope I can count on you and others for some help from time to time, I will need it. Paul August ☎ 17:38, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
I add my congratulations. Now in the service of your newfound responsibilities could you kindly hop on over to the requests for arbitration page and please fix the Giano situation and heal the community as a New Year's present for all of us. I'll give you till Tuesday because of the holiday. :) Regards, Newyorkbrad 18:04, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello my honorable friend, Paul August. I am terribly sorry my venerable friend for posting on your talk page, but other respectable administrators such as User:Mangojuice have suggested for my issue to be brought to a higher authority for speculation. Please see my contributions at User:Darin Fidika and my banning issue at User talk:Darin Fidika for further analyzation. I beg of you to look into this case and see it's injustice.
Currently at the moment, I have been permenantly blocked by User:Nihonjoe for "continuous blatant copyrighting of images and information". Due to the fact that absolutely none of my articles that I have created within the recent past are copyright violated to any extent - it couldn't always hurt to add a source though, I am being permenantly banned simply for forgetting the copyright property of a few images that I have uploaded. If I ask for any clarification of this issue, Nihonjoe will simply bring back an old topic from a samurai incident.
Within this incident, Nihonjoe deleted well over 800 of my samurai articles truly because most of them were based off of a single source. I, along with other admins had previously said we would assist in the expansion of these articles from other sources to diminish the copyright violation, but Nihonjoe decided to delete practically everything, including over 200 various other samurai articles that I created from multiple sources such as the Life and Writings of Musashi and the Samurai Sourcebook. After this issue, Nihonjoe falsely accused me of copyrighting information when I truly wished to assist the Wikipedia foundation to the very best of my knowledge. Thus, at this point, I am being thought of as some type of vandal that continuously "steals" information and images when there is no true justification. Every administrator that has responded to my unblock requests on my talk page simply always base their conclusion upon the samurai incident while not looking into the issue at all - thus they reject my good will as nonsense. The samurai incident ended without me being blocked and for no true punishment put on me due to Nihonjoe's unjustified resolution - I probably deserved to be temporarily blocked due to my ignorance however. Whatever the case please do not harm Nihonjoe, since he was obviously uninformed of the entire situation and only acted impulsively. I believe ones incompetence should always be improved upon rather then punished for, as when it comes to Nihonjoe's case.
Thus, I ask if you could unblock me so that I can continue to extend my eternal devotion to the Wikipedia foundation. I intend on expanding various famed novels such as Journey to the West, animes, books, and much more. I only truly wish for Wikipedia to be a place of greatness, and I will gladly extend my loyalty to this foundation at your will's descision as I have done in the past.
Thank you very much my friend for your time and consideration.
-- User:Darin Fidika (30 DEC) (EST)
Would you support the concept of moving the Earhart "myths" to a separate page or article? The reason for my suggesting this is that the main article should be an accurate and scholarly work while the speculation and conspiracy theories surrounding the disappearance of Amelia Earhart are interesting, they belong in a unique section. Most researchers, as you know, discount the many theories and speculation that has arisen in the years following her last flight. Go onto the Earhart discussion page and register your vote/comments...and a Happy New Year to you as well. Bzuk 05:02 3 January 2007 (UTC).
Could you please check the oversight log and see if any edits have been hidden from the page history of the article Lebanon. There have been a few recent changes to the text that I can't locate in the page history. Could you check for any possible abuse? Thanks a lot. — LestatdeLioncour t 17:18, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes I have reasons to doubt that. I am preparing an University exam about Dante's Inferno and making quite deep studies on that. On the books I have (La Divina Commedia by Bosco-Reggio, Le Monnier 1988, and Inferno di Dante by Vittorio Sermonti, Rizzoli 2001 and these two books list an extensive bibliography each) that is not mentioned. Moreover it says that some critics tried to combine names of Black hguelphs families to the names of the devils. The only correspondence was Rubicante to Cante Gabrielli da Gubbio, the podestà of Florence who signed the exhile act for Dante. I can go on and on... I just wrote a pege on italian wikipedia it:I Malebranche where all those names where analized, they are quite funny. Some times they are similar to some family names (Malebrance, Raffacani, Rubaconte) but these are florentine families, not just from Lucca, and this can apply only to some devils, other are taken fro popular devil-characters (Alichino from French Hallequin, Farfarello from a kind on follet), others are invented by Dante. If you wish you can copy this in the discussion page of the list. Sometimes also books gets wrong, but comparing as many as possible we can try to get a more valid idea. Thank you-- Sailko 12:24, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Was this because you changed your mind, or because you realized that the discussion had closed? If the latter, you might be interested to know that it's open again. Grandad 20:45, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Of course. :-) Flcelloguy ( A note?) 23:06, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I notice Fred bauder pulled the plug on the Motions in prior cases relating to Giano [29]. What's the current situation - is the intention to bring a RFAR against him, bring a RFAR regarding IRC, quietly drop it all and hope it goes away or is there deadlock behind closed doors? I'm very concerned about all this. The discussions I've seen from the logs are quite reprehensible and the justifications implausible, is Giano to suffer another RFAR for some righteous indignation whilst others can act with impunity because of a technicality that their actions were conducted "off-wiki". I don't imagine you can give any kind of detailed response but it would be nice to know what's going on rather than Fred just deleting the motion without comment. Many thanks. -- Mcginnly | Natter 02:09, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello, and congratulations on being named to the Arbitration Committee. The Wikipedia Signpost is doing a post-election interview with the arbitrators elected this year. Please answer these questions to the best of your ability. We request that responses be submitted any time between now and Monday, 17:00 UTC, to guarantee that your responses will be published. Please reply on my talk page. Thanks, Ral315 ( talk) 04:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Can I ask why this was reverted? [30] I am trying to muddle through the edit history now that Pi has been semi protected. The reference to pi is sourced on the wikipage the editor gave. Hazelorb 03:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Did you get my email? -- Cyde Weys 21:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Paul,
In spite of my best attempts to continue a normal life on wiki, thanks to Mr Sidaway, the whole debate has restarted here [31], Bishonen has just made a very profound and to the point edit, which I think you should read, I of course have made several :-). However, I am wondering how much longer the arbcom intends for this deplorable mess to continue, before it chooses to act. Of course I could ignore, but on-wiki silence is taken as agreement, and I don't agree, so I will continue to challenge this situation until it is resolved. Giano 19:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
::::*"The ArbCom most definitely does not want "this deplorable mess to continue" is all very well for them to say, but what are they doing about it? That's what I want to know, and probably all the other contributing editors on this site. I cannot imagine what is so difficult to decide, all these people who left the arbcom years ago, or who were only on it for five minutes - get rid of them! Discount them! Dismiss them! - Make a decision, this cannot be allowed to continue. Giano 21:52, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Paul, sombody has made me aware of Wikipedia's guidelines on canvassing. I thought my original message was reasonably neutral, however I do apologise. As a relative newby, I ought to take some time and read all of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Martintg 18:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I added my statement, and would like to encourage you to contribute as well. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 22:34, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
You are, of course, correct. -- Ideogram 06:17, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Can I ask you a favor? Can you suggest to Giano that edits such as this are not a good idea? -- Ideogram 21:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Ideogram, Giano - It is really quite distressing to see you both trying to out-bait the other. Please both just try to leave each other alone and write some articles (yes, Giano, I have seen the Châteaux Grimaldi - very nice). If you are at a loss for articles to write, the history of ice cream cones is sadly neglected: Agnes Marshall, Carlo Gatti, Italo Marchiony, Ernst Hamwi all need articles. -- ALoan (Talk) 22:28, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I left a note on the article talk page ( Talk:Linear equation) explaining my reasoning; I'd like to know why "recent changes that [you] don't think are helpful" are so and why a complete revert was necessary.— Kbolino 16:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I've based a proposal on the mediation from the Piotrus-Ghirla case. Your input would be welcome. Please reply on the proposal talk page. Durova Charge! 21:15, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Seeking concensus on proposed merger at Talk:Classics. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast 02:00, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
This seems a little unnecessary to me, given we have Category:Hilbert's problems. Given your area of expertise, do you have a view? -- ALoan (Talk) 12:29, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
How you and your colleaugues are getting on with your statements for posting here [32]? Giano 21:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
You have mail. -- Ideogram 21:51, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
You have mail again. -- Ideogram 17:16, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello Paul, I think I answered your (justified) remark about Absolute value#Absolute value for rings. I know I answer to a question by an anther question, but my aim was to clean up Valuation. Maybe you have time in the next four days to say a word in the discussion. 85.3.195.217 12:21, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification. WLU 13:23, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I read with great concern about a high-ranking user's conduct - namely essjay's lying to the New Yorker about who he was whilst representing Wikipedia - and his apparent attitude to the..erm 'flexibility' of the truth - reminds me a little of Lord Archer in the UK. Anyway - I wonder if the Arb Com would have jurisdiction over essjay's various high-ranking positions here at wikipedia if a case were to be brought? - If you (plural) found his conduct unethical, would you be empowered to do anything about it? - I came to you because you seem to be impartial, and i respect your thoughts.... thank you, Purples 03:44, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Paul - i stumbled across this at wikipediareview.com - but [33] this is the New Yorker story - and on [ [34]] this page he claimed to be a tenured professor, and hold the following degrees;
He now admits to having made all that up, and I don't think that's right - not to mention that it could really harm the credibility of wikipedia in various communities. I'm not sure why I came to you other than the fact that you seem a very decent chap. Many thanks, Purples 06:53, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Sorry Paul, should have included that one also - [35] - i think he seems very cavalier about something that I think many would consider so serious. Purples 07:10, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree. I'm also really unsettled by this user basically running checkuser - and most seriously having use of oversight powers, which surely can only ever work if users are beyond reproach. It seems to me that a small section of the wiki community has trusted essjay, and elevated his authority over the community as a whole enormously, who remain largely unaware of such serious transgressions. What should happen now? Thanks for listening. Purples 07:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Paul, on 21 October 2006 the Kosovo arbcom found that I had been given 96 hours probation for edit warring on the Srebrenica massacre article and based on this (presumably) gave me one years probation and revert parole. I have raised some questions regarding this remedy (see below), and Fred Bauder has now initiated a motion to revoke these remedies. As you are an active member of the arbitration committee I respectfully ask you to consider my case. The questions I raised regarding the decision of the Kosovo arbcom were:
Dmcdevit, the administrator on the Kosovo arbitration committee who initiated the remedies against me has chosen to vote against revoking these. I have, in turn, replied to his argumentation here. Sincere regards Osli73 00:05, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Be careful what you wish for! Newyorkbrad 01:30, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
User_talk:204.100.129.254 This IP has a long history of vandalism and you have blocked him for a month last month. He came back and has continued to vandalize wikipedia pages. He recently vandalized the Anabolic steroid article just a few minutes ago. Wikidudeman (talk) 17:27, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello.
I'm looking into the Barn Star article, and was wondering if you have any sources to support calling the image you uploaded a Barnstar?
Thanks Pjbflynn 04:46, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
If so, please fix; if not, please explain. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 05:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I saw your rewording of remedy #5 re Freakofnurture ... but it still reads prospectively ... how about "have been restored"? Regards, Newyorkbrad 14:13, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
From the Russian jokes page:
I'm assuming the second man is a mathematician. ;-) -- KSmrq T 20:49, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
-- Ideogram 18:03, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Paul, query for you here. Cheers, SlimVirgin (talk) 04:59, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I like your changes on the /Proposed decision template. I don't know if it's on your to-do list, but the introductory paragraph of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Template/Workshop could probably use some streamlining as well. Regards, Newyorkbrad 15:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
If you're going to do my job every time I step away from the keyboard, there's no point in having me. :) Regards, Newyorkbrad 18:26, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi quick question regarding the votes, do we get to defend our selves at all? or just let it go until we get banned. Artaxiad 02:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Paul, many kudos for going through the details of the Armenia-Azerbaijan case. I would like to draw your attention to my talk page, where admin Golbez is concerned about edit warring at Nagorno-Karabakh by HyeProfile ( talk · contribs). He seems to have just returned from a long break and so was not included as a party here. I suppose we can deal with him in the usual manner if he is not made a party to the case. Alternatively, could he be a sleeper of a user about to be banned? Thatcher131 20:11, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
You have proposed to soften a measure against user:Eupator. But just today he again removed sourced information put by several users on page Yerevan without substantial explanation [40]-- Dacy69 21:01, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Paul. I suppose you have no time to follow what happens at the mathematics WikiProject, but we have set up a process to grant articles that deserve it an A-class rating at Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics/A-class rating. Recently, our article on the Peano axioms was nominated. Unfortunately, there are no comments from anybody who really knows logic, so I was hoping that you could have a look at the article, see whether there is anything there that would embarrass us, and leave a comment on Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics/A-class rating/Peano axioms. Thanks, and also many thanks for the thankless work on the Arbitration Committee. -- Jitse Niesen ( talk) 08:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh no, it's the dreaded yellow banner again. Phew, it's only Jitse. Crap, he's asking for assistance in the Balkan wars and Srebrenica massacre …
Just kidding. I'm of course mightily disappointed that you don't know everything about Peano axioms and will need a good glass of whisky tonight to get over it. Somehow, I forgot to ask Trovatore; I'll do this right now. But you must be very tired when you start writing your's with an apostrophe. I do hope you have an army of shrinks on-site to combat any burn-out symptoms. -- Jitse Niesen ( talk) 12:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello Paul, thanks for your message, I've added my name to the list of participants in Wikiproject Mathematics, what do I get in exchange for my soul? Best, Arcfrk 08:08, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
It's okay :) Although I'll need to move that message a section above (I've sectionalized my talk page :P)- Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 19:23, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Re: InShaneee, do you want me to go ahead and close it now, even though CM hasn't reviewed? - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 17:50, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey Paul, I'd like to draw your attention to a certain RfC that user:AdilBaguirov has been reporting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Khoikhoi It seems that Mr. Baguirov, knowing that his fate of a ban has been decided by the ArbCom, is on a personal vendetta against admin/ user:Khoikhoi who is a respected, neutral administrator. He is using whatever's left of his wiki-days to settle a few vendettas and to get as many people as possible to be involved in the Arbitration. He has vigorously tried his best to report users such as me, Eupator and more recently user:MarshallBagramyan who is not even in the Arbitration in the his personal hopes and goals. - Fedayee 18:15, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I think that the ArbCom should revisit its decision on Atabek. He doesn't add anything positive to the Armenian-Azeri dispute resolution. Worst of all is his denial of the Armenian Genocide. [42] -- Aivazovsky 15:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello Paul, thanks for your dedication to the Armenia-Azerbaijan case and your decision to propose/grant some of the users, including me, less-strict remedies. I am glad that your propositions passed...it won't go in vain! Thanks again - Fedayee 02:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi!
Since you are a classicist, a person who has edited in the past the article, and a member of WP:GREECE I wanted your input to this: User:Haiduc proposed some changes for Demosthenes. I was reluctant to accept them, but then I let him add a new section, which I just modified a bit. You can see the discussion here, and the recent additions in the article's recent history (Haiduc's addition and my modifications). As the main contributor of this article I cannot be as objective as I would like. Since I am not yet sure about the utility of such additions, and since we speak about a FA and the issue is serious I think that your opinion and your input (among those of other prominent classisists) will be very useful. Please, have a look at the article and the discussion! Thanks in advance!
Cheers!-- Yannismarou 15:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello Paul,
Could we do a check user on Weldingveersamy ( talk · contribs)? I think he might be a sockpuppet of Venki123 ( talk · contribs). Thanks, Mudaliar 19:25, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Paul, I think you've got your wires crossed with what Newyorkbrad said. If you reread over the diff, you'll see that Brad wasn't telling Thatcher to get lost, he was saying that he was going to group all his comments together as he didn't want his comments to get lost all over the arbitration page. Think you might have misread it :-) Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/ talk 21:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Paul, I noticed that you voted on this article George A. Borgman two years ago. I voted to delete it then because I wasn’t much interested in jazz, however, I do believe now that it is a legitimate article. Something seems to be going on with User:JzG and Calton and for they have made a concerted effort to delete this article among others some being speedily deleted. Maybe you could re-evaluate this article and see whether their complaints have merit. I think just a tag suggesting cleanup or more sources would have been enough. Plank 12:29, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, you made me a very happy bunny! -- Tony Sidaway 23:04, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Paul,
During a recent discussion about Scholarpedia on the MathProject Talk page, User:Jheald considered it a good form to make a disparaging or even insulting comment directed against me. I am not sure if that constitutes a personal attack per Wikipedia policy, but I certainly did not appreciate it, and especially where he posted it. I was somewhat upset over it, actually, and left a comment on his page, which he ignored. Can you, please, take a look? Thank you in advance! Arcfrk 10:24, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Arcfrk. Sorry about that. I don't know Jheald, but although he could have chosen his words more carefully, I don't think he intended what he wrote to be insulting. I would try to overlook it if I were you. On a more positive note, I'm glad you pointed out that discussion to me, I found it quite interesting. Best regards, Paul August ☎ 13:49, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, time again for a little entertainment. See Calvin and Hobbes 91/06/17. -- KSmrq T 15:57, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
I found the page: Caribbean Coast, was deleted. Concerning the copyright issue, I would like to rebuild the page with my own information. In fact, the latest version of Caribbean Coast before deletion, had most content from my own. I would be grateful if you could return the source of the deleted page and I will rebuild what i wrote.
I am not sure what Ohconfucius mean about the copyrighted content, at least he/she did not participate in the discussion or to post his/her own edition. At last, Jimfbleak need to prove what is the violation, instead of listen to Mr somebody to delete that page. I would respect Jimfbleak power, but i would disagree Jimfbleak abuse of power without evidence.
Thanks
senatorto
Hi Paul, As an alleged categorical topologist, I'd like to know your thoughts on some categorical nonsense that I splattered onto my user page, about algorithms and algebra. (titled "homology of computing systems"). linas 15:19, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I haven't been paying as much attention to that as I probably should have, as original filer, but I'm glad you aren't letting it casually decay for lack of prosecution. -- AnonEMouse (squeak) 19:37, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
The problem with putting wikilinks in the references is that it could confuse the reader. Many links in the reference sections of articles are links to websites that contain the referenced information. (See what I have done with Sombrero Galaxy, for example.) After reading several articles in Wikipedia, readers will naturally expect this for all links. The problem with placing links to Wikipedia articles within the references is that it may lead the readers to think that the Wikipedia article used other Wikipedia articles as references. Wikipedia should, of course, avoid referencing itself.
Hence, I removed the wikilinks in the references because they could cause confusion. Does this make sense? (I hope by capital letters were not too loud.) Dr. Submillimeter 06:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Nice to wiki with you again! I'm going to keep a low profile & save my energies for Dean's logic article rewrite. --- Charles Stewart (talk) 10:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Can you copy edit the article when you have time? Thanks-- Ugur Olgun 18:03, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Could you fix a signature on wP:RFAr? (You didn't sign; I added a note to your vote, but I think it's best for you to fix it ^-^) - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 04:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your kind note. I have responded on the pending decision talk page as you suggested. I'm somewhat surprised (although I shouldn't be) that anyone would think I was edit warring, but a complete readthrough (as you endured) should show what was happening, that the article was being swarmed by "one-subject" editors for an extended period. Perhaps I could have done things better, but I did approach dispute resolution channels in their established sequence to get more attention from "multiple-subject" editors, instead of treating the articles as some sort of personal fiefdom that only I could defend. Now that attention is forthcoming after two years it is ironically amusing to be labelled (by some) as part of the problem. I can understand it as a pro forma exercise in neutrality, what's good for the goose etc., and am happy to have my actions and edits reviewed, however. One of two things can happen in such a review, I can either learn something about myself if any ensuing criticisms are valid (the motto from my user page: 一字師 "one letter teacher" or "whoever can improve my work by one jot is teaching me") or about the reviewer if they really aren't. I have walked away (in relief) from the FLG project for the most part, but I appreciate the work you are doing, and am willing to help the new process to the best of my ability. -- Fire Star 火星 20:20, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I read your notice [44], and I agree that there is a revert war going on, which I don't like, so please help me clarify a few things by commenting on my contributions.
The Suppression_of_Falun_Gong page:
- I think that this contribution is essential: [45] because it's well sourced and very relevant to the page. Please review and let me know what you think.
Also the tags are necessary because the current version of Suppression_of_Falun_Gong [46] is hijacked by the POV of Special:Contributions/Samuel_Luo a Falun Gong critic who is proposed for being banned [47], also you may observe that the contributions of Special:Contributions/Pirate101 and Special:Contributions/Yueyuen are only imitating Samuel Luo's behavior.
I would really like more input on this issue, so please answer. Thank You. -- HappyInGeneral 21:00, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I thought I would just add my quick note here. I only say this informally as a matter of personal concern. I don't think that photo belongs in the introduction, and that it would be somewhat unencyclopedic to put it there. It would be leading the readers opinion, obviously. I think part of the reason it was advocated for so strongly by HappyInGeneral was because of the prior blanking of information about the persecution on that page, which actually resulted in the ArbCom case, and the general editing behaviour that has developed around these pages. For example, all templates which indicated that the page was subject to review and that it had problems conforming to wikipedia policies were blanked continually, and tags on the Falun Gong main page which drew attention to problems with some material were continually blanked.
Aside from this, and agreeing that these images should not be used in a wrong way, I feel there is a deep misunderstanding in describing the image as sensationalist. That is a real person who suffered 8 hours of extreme tortured, having her face shocked with electric batons, basically for her beliefs and for doing some exercises, and that is not even the worst of this persecution. It would be like saying "you are not allowed to sing in the street", then the police beating and torturing those people that continued to sing, and would not stop. I don't know if you have thought about it, Paul. I disagree with HappyInGeneral's editing behaviour, and it would appear that so does ArbCom, but I can see it as a result of desperation more than anything else. Wikipedia should just report what third party sources say without any bias, conforming to wikipolicies, so what I am saying now is not really related to these pages.
I was going to say something further, Paul, but I will just recommend you go to this page and read the report: www.organharvestinvestigation.net. I also want to say that there are enough respected third-party sources, not Falun Gong, which document large-scale systematic torture, like beatings with sticks, using fire, electricity, mangling womens' vaginas, people getting tied up in constrained positions for days, injected with drugs so they go blind or go crazy and lose the ability to talk, lose memory, get put in wheelchairs, whatever, any and all cruel things you can think of, all this is documented by sources that are not Falun Gong. Basically I am just writing the note out of concern that you are not fully aware of, or have not had the opportunity to read information about this. There is a psychiatrist Robin Munro who has written a bunch about psychiatric abuses, and the UN Special Rappeuteur for torture, Amnesty International, as well as other NGOS, all have a lot to say about the matter. Maybe you already heard about the organ harvesting report. I really hope you read it.-- Asdfg 12345 19:09, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
for this Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Betacommand#Communication. Creating some semblance of balance, including both rights and responsibilities... well this patches a bit of a gap (beyond any immediate case). Jd2718 12:44, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
I've just noticed that this is the conclusion you've come to, and I'm quite surprised. I doubt that there is anything that I can do about your decision, but I still feel the need to defend myself. It's true that I've engaged in edit warring, but rarely have I ever reverted without discussion (in fact using the talk pages to explain each of my edits is something I make a priority of), and rarely have I ever participated in a revert war that wasn't over edits that were quite clearly inappropriate. I believe that I've also been regarded by most other users as very reasonable, including by those that are on the opposing side, such as Firestar and Tomananda. It's rare that people rationally complain about my editing behavior. I also make a point of using the talk pages to discuss content without pushing my opinion about Falun Gong. And because of these things, I haven't felt any warning or threat that some action might be taken against me. I appologize for the fact that I haven't been following the arbitration case or participating in it. This is mostly because I was away from wikipedia for about two months, and only really came back after the pages were opened up to make some edits that I thought were rather straightforward. (I understand now that this was probably wrong and that I should have waited for the arbcom case to finish before making such content changes). Anyway, were I to know or have been warned that my editing behavior has been a problem I would change immediately; you don't need to put me on any kind of restricting parol to do that. I respect your position and understand that you've done your homework, but from my perspective this kind of decision without any warning seems like jumping the gun. Thanks for listening. Mcconn 16:53, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Note about this query in this section: This is more of a question seeking clarification from arbitrators / similar ranked persons on Wiki about Wiki rules rather than a complaint. I wanted to keep the query to the ArbCom decision talk page but if I can't get an answer there, please give me a reply either here on your talk page, or preferably, my talk page, thanks!
1. I notice that Samuel has been deemed incapable of promoting a viewpoint outside his activism and has an obvious conflict of interest in that sense, but don't Falun Gong practitioners also have a similar COI? Many of the pro-FGers did not even want to see a Criticism section. Now, they are only willing to see one that is heavily truncated and has been responded to by their Leader or Master. Isn't this an inconsistent application of the Conflict of Interest rule? (If not, pls explain)
2. Moreover, if users like Asdfg (pro-FG) are given a second chance and commended for turning over a new leaf and now appears to conform to Wiki rules, why shouldn't Tomananda be given that chance, and Samuel (who had 3, not 7 blocks btw, if overturned blocks are not to be counted)? I find it once again an inconsistent application of Wikipedia rules that anti-FGers must be banned yet pro-FGers have, at the very most, only been given a year's parole (except McConn). I also note with amusement that despite User:HappyInGeneral having declared a POV war previously on the FG discussion page, he can be found not to merit even a revert parole.
3. Arbitrator Fred Bauder also mentioned that the real flamers have not been sanctioned (e.g. User:Omido) so far so should this ArbCom decision be expanded to include these users? Or are arbitrators bound to only consider the users involved and mentioned in the ArbCom case?
4. I note from Fred Bauder that NPOV does not require excision of POV language. I accept that, but hope that he would expand on this point further, preferably by giving examples in this FG case. Moreover, if that edit I made was objectionable then does that mean Fire_Star's one (the version I reverted to) was also objectionable, or is it my edit in itself that was objectionable?
5. How exactly do we deal with unregistered users who vandalize Wikipedia + Wiki user pages? Note that there have been a series of anti-FG vandalism actions recently, which is curiously well-timed as they hardly existed before this ArbCom case, as well as the fact that there have only been numerous pro-FG vandalism actions before. See also the numerous times anti-FG and '3rd-party' users had their talk pages vandalized. So how do we prevent abuse of this, especially when banning IP addresses does little good to an organization that exploits the weaknesses of Wikipedia? (If you cannot answer this one, that is understandable, but if you have an answer that would be of great use)
Now just one suggestion:
1. Instead of revert parole-ing numerous users, how about simply revert parole-ing entire Wiki entries, namely the FG-related ones here? This would be the best way of preventing edit wars ESPECIALLY by unregistered users (or users exploiting this Wiki weakness), as has been supported by my relatively limited number of edits on the main Wiki FG-related entries (compare the edits I made + content I wrote on the pages' talk pages, compared to the actual entries themselves). Jsw663 19:49, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
I apologize for not giving a fuller explanation for my reversion of Freedom skies' sock edits on clock earlier. Freedom skies (editing as Moerou toukon) cited Subhash Kak. Subhash Kak's views on the history of science are not supported—to say the least—by " the prevailing view in the relevant academic community" and his reputation reflects that. Instead, what he is known for is claiming that any number of scientific discoveries were made in Indian antiquity. See this diff for an example. The column space and primacy that Freedom skies and his socks (or for that matter accomplices like Hkelkar and Bakasuprman) devote to such views gives them undue weight. JFD 05:09, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Sir,
JFD brings a diff, this diff.
I respond to JFD's assertions by bringing this :-
When the men of Alexander the great came to Taxila in India in the fourth century BC they found a university there the like of which had not been seen in Greece, a university which taught the three Vedas and the eighteen accomplishments and was still existing when the Chinese pilgrim Fa-Hsien went there about AD 400. -- Within the Four Seas: The Dialogue of East and West By Joseph Needham. Published 2004. Routledge. ISBN 0415361664
The ancient university city of Taxila, on the Indian side of the Indus, lay within the reach of Peshawar. -- History of Indian and Indonesian Art 1927 By Ananda Kentish Coomaraswamy. Published 2003. Kessinger Publishing. ISBN 0766158012
Arab travellers and their teachers came in large numbers to the northern university of Takshashila or Taxila, which was especially famous for medicine. -- Indo-West Asian Relations: The Nehru Era By Najma Heptulla. Published 1991. Allied Publishers
Early biblical references provide accounts of travelling scholars, and interlectual education can be traced to the 272-22 BC reign of Ashoka the great and the establishment of the University of Taxila in Asia minor. -- The Psychology of Culture Shock By Colleen A. Ward, Stephen Bochner, Adrian Furnham. Published 2001. Routledge. ISBN 0415162343
In the early centuries the centre of Buddhist scholarship was the University of Taxila (near the present city of Islamabad) -- A History of India By Hermann Kulke, Dietmar Rothermund. Published 2004. Routledge. ISBN 0415329191
[the Buddhist university of] Taxila, beyond the Gupta boundaries, [was] in the fifth century devastated by the Huns -- Scholarship and the Gypsy Struggle: commitment in Romani studies. Donald Kenrick. Published 2000. University of Hertfordshire Press. ISBN 1902806018
Foreign minister Zulfifar Ali Bhutto arranged for the secretary general to take time out to visit Taxila, seat of the oldest Buddhist university in the world. -- United Nations: the first fifty years By Stanley Meisler. Published 1995. Atlantic Monthly Press. ISBN 0871136562
Taxila university , which is the oldest in the world, has been in existence even before the time of the Buddha and before the occupation of the Taxila valley by the Achaemanid rulers in 6th- 5th century B.C. Probably in the period of the (7th century B.C.) philosophers gathered here to have their own schools of thought and imparted instructions. -- Official Portal of the Government of Pakistan (Pakistani Heritage)
The history of international educational exchange can be traced to the University of Taxila (Taxshashila) in ancient India. -- Indian Education Abstracts By India Ministry of Education, India Central Secretariat Library
The Buddhist influences in northern Pakistan are evident in elaborate buildings at Julian, the Buddhist hill town outside the ruins of Taxila, where a bustling university existed in ancient times to train monks -- Culture And Customs of Pakistan By Iftikhar Haider Malik. Published 2005. Greenwood Press. ISBN 031333126X
Sir,
JFD never appeared on Clock before.
He appeared there right after I did.
This happens a lot.
JFD never edits on articles originally, his interests are my edits; more specifically undoing my edits right after I make them. This has not been happening recently but has been happening in every single field from Buddhism, martial arts, history, countries etc. Whenever I edit anywhwere I find this middle aged man has become obsessed with me right after an hour after my edits and has reverted my edits incessantly.
Recently; I have been afraid to even check his contribs and have had a chill whenever I see the You have a new message sign and even am relieved when I find that it's the Wikipedia Signpost.
This man should not be allowed to wikistalk me; he should not be allowed to get away with the pretence that he magically develops an interest in any topic that I edit on, and has this compelling need to stalk and abuse me on the same topic.
Has he done anything here for the last few days except have dinner and then derive sadistic pleasure by abusing me and following my trail? He does'nt contribute here, Why is he here? To argue with me or to make an encyclopedia for free ? Would that not be done better on a discussion forum somewhere?
What would JFD have done if I had'nt entered this encyclopedia? Make a shrine for me and await my coming so that he can fullfill his destiny of reverting my edits? Why does he not edit on the topics that interest him? Why become obsessed with what I edit and what I do?
I find a middle aged man building templates for me and following me sickening. I have asked him to stop but he simply won't listen. Even his RfA case was'nt based on an event like the recent cases are built upon but was based upon freedom skies disagreed with a few editors and I would like to have him banned so I can undo his edits and drag his name thorugh mud Only a few editors had anything adverse to say about me; some had to be reminded by JFD on who I was. He tracked my contribs for so long that he recorded the names and incidents of every little disagreement that I had and used it to his advantage.
Sir,
I request that JFD be sentenced to stay away from the topics that I have contributed in on grounds of sadistic wikistalking, online bullying, abuse of editorial privilages, libel and defamation, racist commentary and operation with an intention to clash with me and not with an intention to contribute to this encyclopedia.
JFD has yet to reply to the arbcom request for clarification and can't even put a <reference> code with / in this version while he puts footnotes.
Freedom skies| talk 06:05, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
he should not be allowed to get away with the pretence that he magically develops an interest in any topic that I edit on, and has this compelling need to stalk and abuse me on the same topic...This has not been happening recently but has been happening in every single field from Buddhism, martial arts, history, countries etc...
I edited Zen/ Chan, Bodhidharma, Shaolin Monastery, Shaolin Kung Fu and Kalarippayattu as early as July 2005; Freedom skies didn't edit these articles until October/November 2006, [52] [53] [54] [55] [56] [57] starting edit wars in Zen/Chan and Bodhidharma.
As early as May 2006, I edited Vajramushti, which Freedom skies didn't edit until August of that year.
I first edited Tea in June 2006; Freedom skies first edits Tea in March 2007 (as sockpuppet Phillip Rosenthal). By the way, look at how much of a nationalist I'm not being in my edit and how Freedom skies (as sockpuppet Phillip Rosenthal) is deleting sourced content in his.
In July 2006 I edited Gunpowder, which Freedom skies doesn't edit until April 2007 (as sockpuppet Moerou toukon).
I first edit Batuo, Origins of Kalarippayattu, and Huike in August 2006; Freedom skies didn't edit these articles until October 2006, November 2006, and February 2007 (as sockpuppet Phillip Rosenthal), respectively.
It sounds more like Freedom skies is wikistalking me.
I have been afraid to even check his contribs
Definitely sounds like he's wikistalking me.
Speaking of which, why in the heck has he followed me to your talk page? I only came here to give you the explanation you asked for.
I request that JFD be sentenced to stay away from the topics that I have contributed in
If Freedom skies is held to his own standard, does it mean that he'd be banned from articles to which I've contributed first?
What would JFD have done if I had'nt entered this encyclopedia?...He does'nt contribute here, Why is he here? To argue with me or to make an encyclopedia for free ?
Adding sources, [58] reverting vandalism [59] [60] [61] [62] [63]...same old, same old.
JFD has yet to reply to the arbcom request for clarification
If I need to reply to something from the Arbitration Committee, I'm unaware of it. Please let me know if I do.
JFD can't even put a <reference> code with / in this version while he puts footnotes.
Slipped my mind. I'll fix that right away.
Paul, I'm sorry that this has taken up so much of your Talk page. I've tried to be as brief as I can.
JFD
09:59, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I edited Zen/Chan, Bodhidharma, Shaolin Monastery, Shaolin Kung Fu and Kalarippayattu as early as July 2005; Freedom skies didn't edit these articles until October/November 2006, starting edit wars in Zen/Chan and Bodhidharma.
I entered wiki on 08:18, 6 November 2005. The question of JFD's pattern of incessant wikistalking is deliberately being meshed with his edits before my entry.
My edits to Bodhidharma led to the present version; as compared to the PRC propoganda piece that JFD tried to push.
As early as May 2006, I edited Vajramushti, which Freedom skies didn't edit until August of that year.
He edited on Vajramushti?
I did'nt even know that and can you blame me?
His work consisted resulted in this, unsourced stub class article.
In fact, third paries contributed to that article in significant ways; neither I not JFD.
He's using it to say that I wikistalked him ?
I never knew that JFD edited here as well, neither have I undone his work.
I first edit Batuo, Origins of Kalarippayattu, and Huike in August 2006; Freedom skies didn't edit these articles until October 2006, November 2006, and February 2007 (as sockpuppet Phillip Rosenthal), respectively.
He has been editing a large set of articles that had recently been edited by me. It happens everytime. By JFD's own admission I appeared months after JFD edited on Zen/Chan, Bodhidharma, Shaolin Monastery, Shaolin Kung Fu, Kalarippayattu, Vajra Mushti, Tea, Gunpowder, Batuo, Huike, and Origins of Kalrippayattu.
JFD has been worse since 21:00, 15 March 2007. Since then he has done almost nothing else but become obssessed with putting me away and undoing my edits.
Now he'll simply follow my contribs to blank everything with disregard. He'll be editing a large set of articles that had recently been edited by me and will simply blank everything.
Freedom skies| talk 18:23, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi... I saw this: [64] .. seemed a reasonable action by a clerk, the case was "fast tracked". Then I saw this: [65] which totally confused me. Why did you revert NYBrad's action? Seems rather process wonky not to let the case get opened expeditiously. Are you someone that feels process is more important than doing the right thing efficiently? This case has overwhelming votes to open, many arbitrators seem to want it done right away, and NYBrad is a very good clerk. Wasn't it a bit of a slap to him to revert him that way? Aren't you going against consensus of the rest of the arbitration team by standing on process? (...you can answer here, I'll watch...) ++ Lar: t/ c 12:15, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
for that: [66] Zeq 19:55, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
You should never have been taught to read because, apparently, it just didn't take.
[67] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.110.202.41 ( talk) 20:31, 9 May 2007 (UTC).
Hi Paul,
I fail to understand where in this did I made any edit which disrupts wikipedia: [68] and why this accusation is not presented in the work shop and evidence pages so it can be commented and responded too.
On the other hand there is ton of edit-war and other evidence against Zero's editing which is not even considered.
Thank You. Zeq 18:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Hey Paul, I dialed a Complex number! What so I do now? I am writing you to let you know that the Mathematics Collaboration of the week(soon to "of the month") is getting an overhaul of sorts and I would encourage you to participate in whatever way you can, i.e. nominate an article, contribute to an article, or sign up to be part of the project. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks-- Cronholm144 23:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Paul, don't think we've met, but I tend to have an eye on arbitration matters, and I just wanted to say I think you do a great job. I find your comments and insights are typically among the wisest offered. So, keep up the work (it can't be much fun to deal with the worst disputes on Wikipedia, but someone's got to do it!) Heimstern Läufer (talk) 05:03, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Someone recently redirected the talk page to follow the article merge. I reversed it, as the talk page was redirecting to the article page, but I think we need a soft redirect, See Also, or merge of the talk page to that of the article the page was merged into. Any ideas? — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 17:02, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Is there any rule that forbids this from becoming a regular article/list?:
The title can be changed if necessary. Other encyclopedias have such galleries as a resource. Please reply on my talk page. -- Fyslee/ talk 07:01, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I know you're going to be away for a few more days but I wanted to post this so you'll see it when you return. I realized you accepted to work on the paranormal arb case. I wanted to know when you would start working on it. I also wanted to request that when you do, you add [ [69]] and [ [70]] to the "Proposed decision" area for arbitrators to vote on. This area [ [71]]. Martinphi and Davkal are the main focus of this arbitration and the person who initiated it. I would hate to see their frequent violations of policy be overlooked because it was never nominated to be voted for. Also please add [ [72]] and [ [73]]. Thanks. Wikidudeman (talk) 11:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi and welcome back (I hope soon). Upon your return, you'll notice that the list of arbitration cases is similar to how it looked when you left. You were moved to "away" while you were away, so please let us know whether you'd like to be restored to active status on all pending cases, or only on cases accepted after your return, or whether you'd like to handle it on a case-by-case basis. Hope you had a good trip and break. Regards, Newyorkbrad 04:12, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Hello Paul, I understand that you are a mathematician. In light of this fact, I was wondering if you could help me correct all of the wikipedia articles having to do with Newton and Leibniz. Recently some very exiting evidence came out with regards to these two men(a until recently unknown correspondence!). However, I do not want to spoil it for you. Please let me know if you are willing to help me out, thanks -- Cronholm 144 17:10, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Aww... Paul, I was trying to cheer you up, that paper is an April fool's joke. I know you have been down with all the Arbitration recently and Ksmrq suggested that I add a little bit of humour to your wikilife. The paper is rather short and clever, certainly a fun read whether you are in on the joke or not. Cheers and remember that you have friends at WP:WPM-- Cronholm 144 18:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
No problem, I hope you can drop by WT:WPM sometime soon, I think you might find the atmosphere refreshing. I wish you all the best and hope that our paths will cross again. -- Cronholm 144 18:55, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
We're really going to promulgate an arbitration finding captioned "three-layer cake with frosting"? :) Regards, Newyorkbrad 21:58, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and by the way, as discussed on the proposed decision talkpage, the "scum of the universe" line as used by Perfectblue97 is apparently a literary allusion to the movie Men in Black. Regards, Newyorkbrad 19:00, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
You you have any access to any text from this Muni, Kindly share. BalanceRestored 11:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering if ArbCom would be taking up the User:TREYWiki case or if anyone from ArbCom had looked it over. According to an admin, it was emailed in. ArbCom's attention would be appericated. Thanks.... NeutralHomer T: C 01:40, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello Paul,
I noticed on the article on The Rest of the Story that you were the last one to edit it. There was a sentence in there about a James Burke TV show called Connections. I couldn't figure out what connection that had to Paul Harvey's radio show; so I deleted it. Please take a look and replace it if there's something I missed. Let me know what happens.
Thanks!
Jeffrey JBFrenchhorn 02:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
(Not all jokes are good jokes.) :-D
I hope all is well in your world. Remember to find time to stop and admire the equations. -- KSmrq T 10:10, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Gregbard 03:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
OK, here's your chance to comment on the DRV. As I post this, there is only one remark, and it's as clueless and lazy as the comments at the AfD — too lazy even to try my pre-packaged web search link. Sigh. -- KSmrq T 11:01, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 00:07, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Paul. I don't know if you've noticed that Irpen has posted a suggestion for a "novel solution" in the Piotrus RFAR? [74] I've been discussing this with Irpen, and he has obviously given it a lot of thought. And compare his contributions ! Piotrus and Ghirla have commented, but I worry that the arbs may not notice the post, where Irpen has placed it. It would be great if you have time to read it, and, if you like, comment on it. There are some truly excellent content contributors involved in the case, as of course you know, and I would love to see some—any—solution implemented whereby we have a chance to avoid losing one or more of them. Best, Bishonen | talk 10:59, 22 July 2007 (UTC).
Paul, thank you for the interest in our discussions. I have replied to your comments; you may also want to review various points discussed above on this page. On the related note: the "great content producers" involved in this case, and many other across Wikipedia, are leaving this project due to being subject to a torrent of incivility. I have seen many good editors leave this project because they were called a troll or a nationalist once too many. I have seen academics whom I wanted to involve in this project refuse to contribute after realizing they can be subject to Usenet-level flaming. And I myself am getting wary of checking my watchlist and new messages and reading various slanderous comments ("Piotrus is wheel-warring, supporting pet trolls and a rabid nationalist POV-pusher") on a daily basis. If the ArbCom cannot safeguards the editors - great content producers or not - from flames, the project is destined to slowly burning down, until only thick-skinned Usenet flame-veterans are left :( -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 21:01, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
I would like to hear your advice as to how to proceed on a current deadlock on the article on Food Irradiation. After an edit war the article was blocked and heavily discussed on its talk page each fraction accusing the other of NPOV violations. Personal attacks were common and the Mediation Cabal was brought in for mediation. The mediation page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Food_irradiation/Mediation_discussion was created and the only user User:MonstretM who presented a differing viewpoint to the rest of the group abandoned mediation citing lack of experience and bias of the mediator. The underlying issue as I see it is that either party feels that the other would like to guve undue weight to a minority position. There are also issues with out of context citations etc. on the article. My question to you is if you feel if formal mediation might be a helpful step prior to asking for abribitration or if there is additional steps that we might pursue. My gut feeling is that there is a lack of good faith assumption on either side of the debate. Thanks for your advice. RayosMcQueen 19:52, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
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Er, I already closed the case (since 24 hours had elapsed since Kirill's fourth vote), so editing proposed decision won't help! :-) You may want to make the same update on the case page page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Abu badali. Cheers, Picaroon (t) 17:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Has there ever been a WikiProject with so many people sabbotaging it at every step? WHY O WHY O WHY are you holding the tagging hostage? I have been waiting for weeks to see what we have under the assessment chart. What exactly is it that you were supporting when you signed up "in support" of the logic project if we can't tag the pages? This is bad faith. I did everything right, and people still find a way to shit on my efforts. If you are going to vote no, then you are going to have to be responsible for any move forward. Please work with Trovatore, to start the bot with some kind of list or the project is going to end up shut down. I am certainly not going to tag those myself. Gregbard 21:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
I corrected my notation for the square root, removed your note about it, and inserted a note at the beginning of the section, giving you credit for the correction. I hope you don't mind. This technique is called mild refactoring. I did that for enhancing the readability of the text. This is an important service to the readers and facilitates the participation of others to this discussion, because it emphasizes the main topic.
You can delete this remark as soon as you read it.
Regards and thanks again for your help, Paolo.dL 09:33, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Dear Paul,
sorry for contacting you directly, as I am generally opposed to the parties of the case communicating with the arbitrators directly (by email or even off the case pages as per Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus/Workshop#Ethical conduct) but I am just letting you know that the response to your questions has been posted.
Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus/Proposed decision#Reply to comment and questions from Paul August includes the input from many editors. Thank you for your attention to this matter. -- Irpen 19:50, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
G'day. I am a mediator and often requested as arbitrator in real life. If I can help the Arbitration body please let me know. I didn't know who I should email about this so I thought in just letting you know. Dao ken 19:43, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I will most appreciate if you find the time to drop me a line about how can I help with my background and experience in arbitration Dao ken 11:28, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
You voted not to hear it because there was no RFC. An RFC was opened and it has just been closed Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Chrisjnelson. I hope that this will allow the ArbCom to take this up. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 02:14, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
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Hi. I am writing to encourage you to take a look at some of the later comments and reconsider your opinion on accepting the Jmfangio-Chrisjnelson case. This issue is creating a massive disruption. You said that you were declining it pending an RFC. There actually have been two. I would strongly suggest Arbcom stepping in and settling this extreme personality conflict. Thank you for your consideration. -- B 15:24, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Care to comment about the series of edits ending here by QuackGuru. I assure you this is a POV Push stemming from an ongoing debate from Talk:Stephen Barrett where he is claimed that JSE describes itself as a "fringe journal". He is trying to disqualify the entire journal as a reliable source of criticism. I also wonder what your take is. I (and others) have been trying to introduce some criticism of Barrett's writing performed by Professor Kauffman and published by JSE. Since QuackGuru discounts the journal as "fringe", he also disqualifies Kauffman's analysis as an unreliable source. Any input from you at the JSE artilce and/or Stephen Barrett would be most appreciated. -- Levine2112 discuss 23:53, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Let me know when it arrives - thanks! FT2 ( Talk | email) 13:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey, some guy called "Paul August" vandalized your vacation template, I've fixed it for you! :-P Bishonen | talk 20:52, 29 August 2007 (UTC).
It has been proposed to merge the content of Medicamina Faciei Feminae into Ovid. Since you have previously edited one of these articles, I thought you might be interested. You're welcome to participate in the discussion if you like. -- B. Wolterding 17:33, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
I do not object to your desire to treat the empty set as unique. But I believe that it was I who had changed the set article to refer to "an empty set." The reason I made the change was to accommodate the context, which said (and now once again says) "A set can have zero members. Such a set is called the empty set." You must agree that this is an unhappy collision of indefinite and definite articles, of assertions of existence and (subtle) assertions of uniqueness. Furthermore, the expression "Such a set..." means in mathematical prose "any such set" or even "every such set." One way that this problem could be resolved is to rework the passage to something more like "There is a set with zero members, which is called the empty set." What say I just do that?
I'd also point out that both your change to the article and your accompanying edit summary—"only one empty set"—gloss over a legitimate contrary view: for some purposes, like strongly typed reasoning, it is desirable to distinguish, say, between the set of Beatles obtained by deleting Ringo from the set {Ringo} and the set of integers whose square is 2, because sets of Beatles are not the same as sets of integers. Yes, of course, one might posit some isomorphism between Beatle sets and various integer sets, and since that's an equivalence relation, those two sets are "the same" to within isomorphism. Hence my first sentence in previous paragraph.
If you wish to reply, please hit my talk page.— PaulTanenbaum 00:39, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
(I've copied the above discussion to talk:set. Any continuation can take place there)
Hi Paul,
Don't worry, I don't take any offense. I was actually just about to send you a message regarding my addition of a small section to the talk page of "set". I also replied to both your and revolver's statements in the if vs if and only if section of the same page. I had recently noticed wikiproject mathematics and was intending to join, so thanks for confirming my interest. Also, please do note that those definitions weren't intended to be completely formal, just relatively formal by comparision to the amount of sophistication I noticed. Sincerely, Liempt 17:11, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Paul, I want to apologize for the comments I made about you here, which I've struck out. They were too strongly worded, unfair, and inappropriate for a public page. I disagree with you about these issues, and I'll probably continue to disagree, but I accept you're struggling to make sense of complex problems that so far no one has produced a perfect solution for. The way we'll reach that solution is by exchanging views in good faith, and comments like mine today don't help that process. I'm sorry. SlimVirgin (talk) (contribs) 05:36, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Do you have a counterproposal in mind that addresses your concerns? After all, we do need something. -- AnonEMouse (squeak) 22:56, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
(unindent) I like Alecmcconroy's. Kirill's has one important difference, that he specifies "[Wikipedia]'s volunteers". Alecmcconroy's says much the same thing for "specific living individuals". The difference is that Wikipedia's volunteers should not get special treatment for them written into our code. Amc's can be justified by WP:BLP. Kirill's is new legislation.
As long as you're asking me, I'd be thrilled if you'd propose:
15.2) Per Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Presumption in favor of privacy, Wikipedia should not link to websites set up for the purpose of or substantially devoted to harassing specific living individuals, including, but not limited to, our editors. Harassment in this context refers to cyber-stalking, offline stalking, outing people without their consent, humiliating them sexually, or threatening them with physical violence.
The change
That specific section of WP:BLP contains wonderful language, such as "Real people are involved, and they can be hurt by your words." and "do no harm" and "including every detail can lead to problems, even when the material is well-sourced". Incorporating all that by reference is exactly what we want. -- AnonEMouse (squeak) 18:05, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I saw that you made a deletion on my talk page (you deleted the belittling title that one anonymous coward user add to my talk page ,btw, I have a guess who it was). I cant remember that I ask you (or any body else) to do so-don’t do it again.-- Gilisa 06:42, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I was in the process of adding a map with each site when you brought back the satellite map. The info box along with a professional-looking map really enhances every article dealing with Ancient Greek cities in Asia Minor, as other examples that I provided. I haven't removed a single picture in my revisions except for that one because a Wiki map in unison with a large photo in an infobox gives you everything you want to know at a glance. I understand it was your photo, but I am trying to improve all of the articles so don't take it personally :) Monsieurdl 17:35, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
That's great! I think it is perfect where it is now. Thanks for getting back with me! Monsieurdl 18:53, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
A template has been created that seems to have substantially changed the wording and the extent of the remedy you voted for at [ [75]]. I am currently discussing this at [ [76]] and I would welcome you input. I have posted this same message on the talk pages of the other 5 arbritrators who voted for remedy 2. Meowy 16:44, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
(Insert standard question here.) Newyorkbrad 16:46, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Editors recognize that the Arbitrators do not have time to follow, in real time, all of the diffs on all of the pages of all of the arbitration cases. Editors recognize that questions that they would like to ask the Arbitrators would usually get no response, or a much delayed response, if asked in one of the several talk pages of the arbitration. In response to this, many editors will message Arbitrators directly on their talk pages, which garners a much faster response.
The problem with doing so is that, consequently, discussion relevant to the Arbitration is split from the remainder of the discussion. Those who haven't watchlisted Arbitrators' talk pages might not even be aware of the communication. I think that this is problematic, but I would like to suggest a solution.
I believe that a Question and Answer Page (by whatever title is appropriate) would be a useful addition to Arbitration. There, users could ask questions, and arbitrators could reply as needed. This resolves the current problems: it provides a clean space that arbitrators can readily keep track without getting lost in tens or hundreds of daily diffs, it allows users a place to ask a question and reasonably expect that an Arbitrator will see it, and it keeps all of the discussion within the Arbitration, instead of allowing it to get scattered across Userspace where some participants might not see it.
If you think this is reasonable, would it be possible to add it to the current Science Apologist and Martinphi Arbitration that is currently ongoing? Thank you for your consideration. Note: I am canvassing all active arbitrators on this issue because I feel that this is a neutral suggestion. Ante lan talk 06:16, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Could you take a look at the thread on the proposed decision talkpage in the Ferrylodge RFAR, please? Bishonen | talk 00:57, 5 November 2007 (UTC).
Would you comment on Wikipedia talk:Vandalism#Make it less vague, define "deliberate" & "good-faith effort", please? Sincerely, - 70.18.5.219 22:19, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I closed, then archived the "discussion" as it was being perceived as disruptive. Please see User talk:PeterStJohn and WP:ANI#User:PeterStJohn_canvassing_of_DRV, for example. - jc37 15:37, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Aloha, Paul. Just to let you know, I have asked a question pertaining to something you wrote on the arbitration committee talk page. Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration#Question_for_arbitrators...
I mean it as no slight to you, please understand, but was just curious. Mahalo nui loa. -- Ali'i ( talk) 14:13, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
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I am generally opposed to the communication with Arbitrators outside of the ArbCom pages, but I am merely asking you to read what I posted to Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Advise to ArbCom by Irpen since this message would loose part of its relevance once the case is accepted and the acceptance is pending. So, I am posting this message to all Arbitrators who indicated the interest to this case by casting their votes so far. You do not have to respond if you think that my concerns have no merit. Regards, -- Irpen ( talk) 22:14, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Since I have not been able to get an answer to this on the project page, let me ask you directly: Did you receive Durova's "secret evidence" prior to the blocking of User:!!? Isarig ( talk) 17:22, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
You abstained here, but this would allow the motion to pass. Would you like to update your vote? Thanks, Cbrown1023 talk 22:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
As an arbitrator involved in the Privatemusings case, I thought you should know about a recent event. An IP address has been autoblocked because it had been used by Privatemusings in the past. I have posted the info on the log sheet here. Happy editing. Icestorm815 22:25, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
In light of this could you give an opinion of the following?
I'll be the first to say that my judgement was distorted last month, but these problems do exist. Wikipedia has far too few volunteers who work at this kind of thing so the ones who do bear a heavy load. Notice the estimated 10-20 hours of cleanup required for the Virtualology problem after investigation. Is it really in Wikipedia's best interests for ArbCom to take a hard line on the volunteers who work very hard in good faith and fall short of perfection? Durova Charge! 03:13, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
There's a common principle in Western jurisprudence, often phrased as some variant of "better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer". We even have an article on it: Blackstone's formulation. It's fairly well accepted. And, yes, it causes a lot of problems for the next people the ten guilty ones run into ... but there it is. If you read our article on it, you may read that Benjamin Franklin expanded ten to a hundred, while Bismarck had the exact opposite view, "it is better that ten innocent men suffer than one guilty man escape". Personally, out of those two choices, wouldn't you rather be with Franklin? :-) -- AnonEMouse (squeak) 22:28, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I am contacting you because you were one of the administrators on the Macedonia arbcom.
I'm having problems with two specific editors ( The Dragon of Bosnia and Grandy Grandy) on a wide number of articles. These, to varying degrees, include: 7th Muslim Brigade, Bosnian Mujahideen, Serb propaganda, Role of Serb media in the 1991-1999 wars in the former Yugoslavia, Alija Izetbegovic, Mujahideen, Bosnian War and Srebrenica massacre.
These conflict are all related to, what I perceive to be, certain editors' use of these articles (and potentially others) for the purpose of pushing nationalist views, breaking Wikipedia principles relating to WP:POV, WP:COAT, WP:SOURCES and WP:OR, to name a few. This user has also deleted articles or links to articles which which he does not agree with. I feel that I have raised these issues (POV, etc) with him but have met with no understanding. I have also nominated the articles Serb propaganda and 7th Muslim Brigade for deletion. The latter is still pending while the outcome of the afd process on the Serb propaganda article was no consensus. While I agree that the subject deserves an article, Serb propaganda certainly was an important factor in the Yugoslav Wars, I, as did most of the non-Bosniak editors who participated in the afd debate, feel that the current article is grossly POV.
My question is, rather than engaging in never ending reverts and engaging in lengthy and extremely time consuming mediation processes for each individual article / conflict, is there a way to deal with what is the underlying problem with all of them, namely WP:POV, in one single mediation/arbitration process? All the other problems are merely symptoms/results of the underlying nationalist POV being pushed in these articles? Stifle recently mentioned that there was a precedent for dealing with conflicts related to Balkan issues where an "editor fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, the expected standards of behavior, or the normal editorial process" (where I take the first two to also cover POV issues). Could this be used as a basis for such an arbitration process?
If it becomes too time consuming to continously seek remedies against people who are consistently misusing Wikipedia to push nationalist views, only die hard natioalists and people with extreme views will have the tenacity to edit pages which attract these types of editors. Unfortunately, some of these articles are not notable enough to draw a large number of editors and the POV pushing is often quite subtle (though more often, such as in the examples I cite above, it's not). I believe an arbcom encompassing a wider set of smaller conflicts related to the same issue or user(s) would be an efficient way of dealing with these types of probelems. Your comments and/or guidance on this matter would be much appreciated. Osli73 ( talk) 14:10, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
With all due respect, I must comment Osli73's claims. He says he is having problems with me and user:Grandy, which is wrong. He is just having problems with Wikipedia policies and guidelines. If you look at his block log he is constantly blocked because he permanently breaks Wikipedia rules:
Regarding his claims that the problems are results of the nationalist POV being pushed in the articles he mentioned above, I also can't agree on that. If you look at the history of those articles you will find this:
The practical result of what has been done to the cold fusion article is the public will get misleading information on the current status of cold fusion. Since cold fusion is something that can be a major benefit to the human race, this is a serious error.
I have decided to give up on Wikipedia. PCarbon seems to me to have the patience of a saint. PCarbon has told me that he is also quitting Wikipedia. I will admit that cold fusion is a complex and unique issue. I think that most people who do not have at least a bachelor’s degree in the physical sciences or engineering would have a hard time grasping it. However there are many notable exceptions to this rule.
Pons and Fleishman made their announcement in March of 1989. The announcement was to protect The University of Utah’s patent rights. Some important information like the palladium alloy they used and the length of time it took to get a result (weeks) were not released to protect patent rights. Many scientists understood the significance of the discovery and scientists all over the world began experiments. Pons and Fleishman had been reproducing the experiment for five years and did not expect the difficulty others would have reproducing the experiment. Expectations were raised very high, and when a lot of positive experimental evidence was not appearing, there was a backlash. In the scientific world editors of journals have a lot of power, since scientists must publish or perish. The editor of Nature and other editors decided that cold fusion could not be real, that it was an embarrassment to science and that it needed to be squelched immediately. They also concluded the end justified the means. The used de facto censorship, name calling, and tried to ruin the careers of people who advanced the cold fusion idea. For this reason many of the scientists who continued to work on cold fusion, were retired, had tenure, or worked in another country where the witch hunt was not active.
Even while this political assault was under way, Nature refused to publish a positive result on the grounds that the issue was already decided. Melvin Miles had an initial negative result which he reported to the DOE committee. The DOE committee told the world about this negative result. When Melvin Miles later reported a positive result to the DOE committee, the DOE committee reported the result to no one.
This is how the “consensus” and de facto censorship came about. Cold fusion was done in by the political method, not by the scientific method.
The experiments have gone on for 18 years. Something like 3500 scientific papers by hundreds of scientists with PhDs in physics and chemistry have been written. Since 1992 nuclear transmutations with unnatural isotope ratios have been found. These nuclear transmutations are proof that nuclear reactions are occurring. More heat, tritium, He3, and He4 has been found. Some x-rays, gamma rays, and charged particles have been found. Reproducibility has improved.
Now some comments about Wikipedia. When working on the cold fusion article I have merely tried to include the experimenters’ point of view. I have not tried to censor or delete the skeptics’ point of view. I have tried to create a NPOV article.
I have a problem with some of Wikipedia’s rules and how they are applied. The rules do not show a grasp of the scientific method. Wikipedia has a nest of self appointed scientific censors that do not have a grasp of the scientific method. The scientific method is that experiment is the reality check of science. The only logical proof against experiment is experimental error. Consensus, existing the theory, and expertise can cast doubt on an experiment, but they are not a logical proof that negates experimental evidence. To imply other wise is a use of the political method. Your “undue” weight rule is seriously flawed. It seems to favor consensus over truth and does not give experimental evidence its proper weight. The principal of “information suppression” is well described in the NPOV Tutorial. Wikipedia does nothing to stop “information suppression.” Wikipedia claims that NPOV is its highest principal, but it does not enforce it. Apparently consensus is its highest principal. Truth and facts do not make the list. I do not see how content dispute is not a NPOV dispute. I do not see why “information suppression” is allowed under content dispute. “Content dispute” just seems to be a buzz word for doing nothing. I was told by one of your admins that if Wikipedia had existed in the Middle Ages, it would say the world was flat. If this is true, you should put this statement on your home page as a warning label.
You seem to be overrun with censors who like to throw around words like pseudoscience, pathological science, proto science, and fringe science. These are nonsense words. There only purpose they serve is political name calling. It is not all that complicated. If you are following the scientific method you are practicing science. If you are not following the scientific method you are not practicing science. If you make mistakes while following the scientific method, you are still practicing science.
There are ways that Wikipedia can improve their product. Wikipedia could change its rules to incorporate a sense of the scientific method and give experiment its proper weight They could stop using old censorship to justify new censorship. They could bring their nest of scientific censors under control. They could stop publishing articles on controversial science or new science since they cannot do it competently. They could issue warning labels. They could stop “information suppression”. They could enforce NPOV. They could resolve disputes with people who are scientifically knowledgeable and do not have a censorship passion or axe to grind. However Wikipedia does not seem to be interested in reform. Ron Marshall ( talk) 03:16, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Please see this WP:AE discussion regarding an ArbCom in which you sat on the committee: WP:AE#Darwinek and breach of standard civility parole. Please be reassured that I will answer and all questions, to clarify the question brought up of my character in the matter, something which I insist on in coming to proper closure of the matter. Charles 08:48, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Fine by me. I assume the other participants have already given permission.-- Docg 23:37, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
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I am leaving you this message because recent events have given me concern. When Aaron Brenneman and I, and others, first developed this category well over a year ago, we visualized it as a simple idea. A low hassle, low bureaucracy process. We also visualized it as a process that people would come to trust, in fact as a way of increasing trust in those admins who chose to subscribe to the notion of recall. The very informal approach to who is qualified to recall, what happens during it, and the process in general were all part of that approach. But recent events have suggested that this low structure approach may not be entirely effective. More than one of the recent recalls we have seen have been marred by controversy around what was going to happen, and when. Worse, they were marred by some folk having the perception, rightly or wrongly, that the admin being recalled was trying to change the rules, avoid the process, or in other ways somehow go back on their word. This is bad. It's bad for you the admin, bad for the trust in the process, and bad for the community as a whole. I think a way to address this issue is to increase the predictability of the process in advance. I have tried to do that for myself. In my User:Lar/Accountability page, I have given pretty concrete definitions of the criteria for recall, and of the choices I can make, and of the process for the petition, and of the process for other choices I might make (the modified RfC or the RfAr). I think it would be very helpful if other admins who have voluntarily made themselves subject to recall went to similar detail. It is not necessary to adopt the exact same conditions, steps, criteria, etc. It's just helpful to have SOME. Those are mine, fashion yours as you see fit, I would not be so presumptuous as to say mine are right for you. In fact I urge you not to just adopt mine, as I do change them from time to time without notice, but instead develop your own. You are very welcome to start with mine if you so wish, though. But do something. If you have not already, I urge you to make your process more concrete, now, while there is no pressure and you can think clearly about what you want. Do it now rather than later, during a recall when folk may not react well to perceived changes in process or commitment. Further, I suggest that after you document your process, that you give a reference to it for the benefit of other admins who may want to see what others have done. List it in this table as a resource for the benefit of all. If you use someone else's by reference rather than copy, I suggest you might want to do as Cacharoth did, and give a link to a specific version. Do you have to do these things? Not at all. These are suggestions from me, and me alone, and are entirely up to you to embrace or ignore. I just think that doing this now, thinking now, documenting now, will save you trouble later, if you should for whatever reason happen to be recalled. I apologise if this message seems impersonal, but with over 130 members in the category, leaving a personal message for each of you might not have been feasible, and I feel this is important enough to violate social norms a bit. I hope that's OK. Thanks for your time and consideration, and best wishes. Larry Pieniazek NOTE: You are receiving this message because you are listed in the Wikipedia administrators open to recall category. This is a voluntary category, and you should not be in it if you do not want to be. If you did not list yourself, you may want to review the change records to determine who added you, and ask them why they added you. |
...My guinea pigs and the "A"s through "O"s having felt this message was OK to go forward with (or at least not complained bitterly to me about it :) ), today it's the turn of the "P"s through "S"s! I'm hoping that more of you chaps/chapettes will point to their own criteria instead of mine :)... it's flattering but a bit scary! :) Also, you may want to check back to the table periodically, someone later than you in the alphabet may have come up with a nifty new idea. ++ Lar: t/ c 04:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Over the past months, TV episodes have been reverted by (to name a couple) TTN, Eusebeus and others. No centralized discussion has taken place, so I'm asking everyone who has been involved in this issue to voice their opinions here in this centralized spot, be they pro or anti. Discussion is here [77]. -- Maniwar ( talk) 23:58, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok. I did not write that on the article. I must have rollbacked a rollback. I'm so sorry! While using Lupin, it must have "double rollbacked". But I did not do that edit! Yes it was an accident, but please keep it mind I did not mean to do it. Sorry - Ohmpandya We need to talk... ♦ contribs 23:21, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity, what objection did you have to my addition to the Prime Number page? -- 71.36.255.217 ( talk) 05:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I have no motivation to file a WP:RFAR, I simply post here on behalf of blocked IP 68.224.117.152. Please see the post here. Best regards! -- omtay 38 02:15, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to invite you to participate in the Boolean algebra task force that I am forming. Despite the name, a task force is just an ad hoc subcommittee of a wikiproject to work on a particular issue. In this case, I think that our articles on various aspects of Boolean algebra, propositional logic, and applications would benefit from some big-picture planning of the organization of material into various articles. The task force would not require a great time commitment. The main goal is to work out a proposal for how the material should be arranged. A second goal is for the focus to remain interdisciplinary, including computer science, logic, and mathematics. — Carl ( CBM · talk) 16:15, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks. -- MZMcBride ( talk) 04:18, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
You appear to have cast both a vote in favor of proposed principle 6, and a vote against it. -- Tony Sidaway 19:55, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Very glad to see you working on the IRC case. Working together I hope we can resolve the core issues in the case. Take care, FloNight ♥♥♥ 20:11, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Paul. Sorry for attempting to distract you from the all important deliverance of judgment on the land. If you have time, could you take a look at Talk:Set#Set as an abstract object and tell us what you think? I ask you since you have been a frequent contributor to that article. Thanks. Oleg Alexandrov ( talk) 16:24, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I've started a thread on a proposed new WikiProject to coordinate Manual of Style pages. I think this might provide a mechanism to address the problem without raising concerns about centralization of authority on the main MoS page. Your comments on whether and how such a WikiProject might work would be very valuable. See WT:MoS#WikiProject Manual of Style. Geometry guy 19:45, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Note that the MoS guidlines at WP:MOSBIO call for a person's nationality to be mentioned in the opening sentence of the lead. However, I do not believe "German-Hungarian" is an accurate discription of von Neumann's nationality. I would go with "Hungarian-born American", unless he held citizenship in other states in addition to the U.S. and Austria-Hungary. Relevant here are my proposed amendations to this guideline, which I would ask you to comment on here. Thanks! Robert K S ( talk) 21:32, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello Paul. So you were born on July 19, 2004? Ha Ha, that's cool! Regards, Masterpiece2000 ( talk) 13:53, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Paul August, I just wanted to inform you that I have taken the Wikipedia delegable proxy experiment live. This is a proposal to let users appoint a trusted individual to represent them in debates that they themselves (whether due to time limitations or whatever reason) are not able to personally participate. This system is ideal for your purposes, since given your Arbcom duties, you have limited time to devote to the other aspects of Wikipedia, but many trusted colleagues here. I encourage you to nominate a proxy. The proxy designation instructions are at Wikipedia:Delegable proxy/Table. For instance, if you wish to nominate me as a proxy, you can just go to User:Paul August/Proxy, create a new page, and then enter:
{{subst:Wikipedia:Delegable proxy/Table/Designate|Absidy}}
I've also come up with this cool advertising banner:
(Ordinarily I might view this type of message as a potentially questionable type of canvassing, but I feel entitled to contact you about my ideas and concerns since I am your constituent and you my elected official.) Thanks, Absidy ( talk) 07:39, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing links and capitalization etc on the Encyclopedia and Lexicon Technicum articles. I'm new to this and not so sure yet how some of these things work! Terry0051 ( talk) 16:53, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Editors are getting impatient and there is a great deal of confusion regarding the injunction. Could you please respond to Kirill's proposals on the Proposed decision page as soon as possible. Many thanks, Ursasapien (talk) 10:42, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Paul. I would like to share with you some updates about Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Franco-Mongol alliance/Proposed decision. It has just been made clear that a large part of the accusations made against me were based on a false claim being made by Elonka and Aramgar about a name "Viam agnoscere veritatis" being used for a multiplicity of Papal bulls Talk:Viam agnoscere veritatis#Untangling (arbitrary section break). Both were making a false claim, intentionally of not, and have been using this claim to motivate a multiplicity of editors to make depositions against me ( here, here and the numerous "Viam agnoscere depositions of the Workshop page such as [78]). It's clear that the discussion heated up (on both sides) but it turns out I was right to dispute their misrepresentation of historical facts. I challenge judgements which are based on such false evidence and manipulation. Another recent case of Elonka obviously misrepresenting sources has been exposed here Talk:Franco-Mongol alliance#Introduction. All my contributions are properly referenced from published sources, and if sometimes we can have differences in interpretation, nobody has been able to identify a single case of fabrication of sources or whatever (as demonstrated in User:Ealdgyth/Crusades quotes testbed, embedded responses [79]). I am asking you to think twice before believing the accusations of such editors. Elonka is well known for throwing endless accusation at someone and spinning the truth in order to get support [80]. Please view Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Franco-Mongol alliance/Proposed decision for a update of these issues. Regards PHG ( talk) 16:46, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for the mistake. I had never noticed this long comment before, and I overlooked the SGML quotes and the template. I guess the IP wanted to fix the issues arising from the long Google Books URLs and got similarly confused. -- Hans Adler ( talk) 23:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm not a math guy. I can template the section as OR and send out an alert to the maths wikiproject, or esle simply undo. Being a non-math guy, the first option would be my choice...
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Dear Paul,
I am disappointed by your reverts to Continuity property, as the proofs you have reverted to are
a) unnecessary (duplicated elsewhere; I had linked to them)
b) opaque (all of the points proven are proven much more elegantly elsewhere; for example, you may notice if you look carefully that the "proof to claim 2" is a poor proof of the fact that compact subsets of R are bounded)
c) Just plain wrong. Cf. the proof of claim 3, whose notation is confusing and wrong. should instead refer to the image of [a,b].
Your reverts are thoughtless and rash. I am an undergraduate with one semester of Analysis under my belt; last summer, before taking the course, I ran across the page in question and spent several hours trying to make sense of its abstruse constructions. You have done nothing but set up another undergraduate to waste his or her time with this.
Furthermore, regarding your citation of Binmore's "straightforward approach," let me remind you that Wikipedia is not a dictionary.
Detritus ( talk) 20:14, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
I have requested clarification in the IRC arbitration case here and am notifying you as an arbitrator who was active on the case. Carcharoth ( talk) 16:53, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Could you keep an eye on edits by Mrg3105 ( talk) at the article Prophet? In late August 2007, Mrg3105 radically altered the article to reflect his own POV on the subject, something which was corrected in early November 2007 (see discussion page section entitled "What Happened?"). While many of his recent edits can be called improvements, Mrg3105 succumbed once again to the temptation of extensively revising the article to reflect his own POV, one effect being a sort of mass confusion in the lede. 70.243.229.217 ( talk) 06:27, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
You called what I did vandalism. I don't believe it is. Please read Talk:My Neighbor Totoro. Totoro has nothing to do with Shinto. The Catbus, which appears in Totoro, looks very like the Cheshire-Cat in Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. But do you say Totoro is something to do with 19th-century England because of that? To say Totoro has shintoist themes only because there appears a shrine is the same as to say that it has something to do with England only because of the resemblance between the Catbus and the Cheshire-Cat.-- Michael Friedrich ( talk) 14:41, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
A discussion is ongoing at Wikipedia_talk:RFA#BAG_requests_process to have checkusers elected to their positions rather than have them appointed. Apparently, none of the proponents of doing this have notified ArbCom of this effort. I am therefore informing you. Thank you, -- Hammersoft ( talk) 14:32, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
You forgot to sign your vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Induced homomorphism. I could sign it for you but it always looks better if the vote is signed by the original poster. Regards, Nsk92 ( talk) 09:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Reverted vandalism on your User page, just to let ya' know :-) . see ya'. SomeUsr | Talk Contribs 22:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the protect on Grant Napear. That poor page was sitting right at the threshold where I thought it might be worth going through Process to get it protected, but the typical 3-days wasn't likely to do much to stem the long-term bleeding. Thanks again! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ogre lawless ( talk • contribs) 23:32, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
In this case, FloNight and Kirill have supported the proposal of a Sourcing Adjudication Board remedy. I think there's significant enough opposition (on the talk page, and workshop) to this idea by the general community, excepting editors involved in the particular dispute. Though your name is marked as inactive or away in this case, would appreciate it if you could look through the alternative (and I think more effective) proposal of clearly delineating between content and behavior issues, devolving responsibility on the community. It would be great if this is added as a proposal on the proposed decision page too so other arbitrators can share their thoughts in comparison to the suggested SAB remedy. Ncmvocalist ( talk) 14:19, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Why do you keep on reverting my additions to the invalid proofs page?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.45.38.243 ( talk) 03:47, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
something like
Just wanted to remind you (or in case you didn't see it yet, to inform you) that the Tango case has a 9.1 principle proposed by Kirill. Would request your vote on it, as well as on Fof 3. Please also note that FloNight and Jpgordan are reconsidering have changed their votes on the remedies after checking the talk page - the discussion there is eye-opening.
Ncmvocalist (
talk) 03:01, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Ncmvocalist (
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03:09, 7 May 2008 (UTC) Done
This isn't a reminder or anything, but just a random comment: I'm a bit startled and curious at the abstain on the 1.3 "desyopped" remedy.
Ncmvocalist (
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18:39, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
This case should be closed on your return. But I'd like to remind you that 2 arb-clarifications have been waiting (for ages) on the discretionary sanctions wording - they can be closed once voted on, sometime soon hopefully. Kirill has already posted the 3.1 version for voting on the requests page. Ncmvocalist ( talk) 12:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Particularly from clarifications, amendments & appeals, the requests page has been clogged up recently. I'm going to remind you (or inform you) of some cases that may need your attention, views and reasons, or further discussion to try to fix this problem. Once the page is less clogged up, then that's that :) You may find the links to the cases mentioned at {{ RfarOpenTasks}} - created by one of the clerks, AGK.
Currently, there are 2 requests which require arbitrator attention, one involving IRC voting, while the other involves "Episodes and characters". Regards - Ncmvocalist ( talk) 09:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Didn't notice the 2 recused - although, I can only see Sam as 'recused' on the case list. There's 2 considered inactive, but that's different. Anyway, cheers for the note. Ncmvocalist ( talk) 06:38, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Why the quotation in the Depictions section are in bold letters? Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 04:14, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Are you active or inactive on the Homepathy case? Please respond at WP:AC/C/N. — Rlevse • Talk • 09:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I am an administrator open to recall. I started a page regarding the subject at User:John Carter/Adminship, indicating that when three editors filed complaints within 90 days, I would ask an uninvolved admin to review the material and make a recommendation. Three such complaints have been lodged. I initially posted this request to the User talk:UninvitedCompany#Request for review, but have since noted that that party is now inactive. I am thus requesting a different party, you, to review the comments and make any recommendation regarding my continued status as an admin that you might see fit to make. Thank you. John Carter ( talk) 22:57, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm very sorry but I don't have the time at the moment to look into this matter. I did read the comments at User:John Carter/Adminship, and without knowing any thing further, they do not make me particularly concerned about your use of administrative tools. My only recommendation is that, whatever you think of the editors who have commented, you take to heart the criticisms they give. None of us are perfect and we can all strive to be better. Best regards, Paul August ☎ 13:50, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
It is high time that the abuses against the unjustly banned user "Gibraltarian" were dealt with rationally and fairly. My ban was brought about by a troll user's malicious complaint, and he continually vandalised any words I tried to post in my defence. I appeal to you as Arbcom member to please contact me on a_gibraltarian@hotmail.com to discuss the matter.
This is a massive injustice, and only allows others to continue to assert factually incorrect, malicious, offensive and POV items about my country.
Many thanks
titled "Attachment theory". I agree it should be rejected, but I'd like the Committee to make a solid and definite statement that is more or less saying "profanity, particularly when directed against another editor, is unacceptable and should not ever be condoned." This will acknowledge the fact that there are a few cases that do unfortunately slip through without any sort of action (despite needing it), and hopefully sways reluctant admins to step in with education and warnings or any other necessary action (rather than silently watching). Cheers. Ncmvocalist ( talk) 17:14, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I noted your vote on the Episodes and Characters clarification, and appreciate the breath of sanity. If it's possible, I would really appreciate someone explaining to your fellow Arbcom members that the request for clarification itself has never been answered: instead of explaining what was originally meant, they decided to reopen the case and introduce new sanctions. Kww ( talk) 17:59, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, it is nearly four years later, but as a follow up to this, I thought you might be interested in this. Some interesting EB 1911 stuff there. Carcharoth ( talk) 22:17, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi Paul, I saw you were online; would you be able to vote in the motions at RfAr? Cheers, Daniel ( talk) 01:48, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
I wanted to ask you to please consider posting some of your responses, or feedback to the current arbcom situation - I don't think it's massively hyperbolic to note that this really is in many ways a Wiki Summer of discontent (well actually winter for us southern hemisphere types...).
I believe it's the right thing for you, and all other committee members, to be doing right now - I don't think the community as a whole are getting the benefits of any private discussions, and I believe they, and the individuals named in the various debacles around the place, deserve much, much better.
I entreat you to consider signing up as available to offer thoughts, or answer some short, focused, questions. I would also ask you to consider contacting the Wikipedia Weekly team, or the 'Not The Wikipedia Weekly' team, if you might be available for a short voice conversation.
It's my view that communication really really matters, and I think there's an urgent need for arb.s to step up.
cheers, Privatemusings ( talk) 03:58, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Further to my posts at this Arbitration Committee case and its associated workshop, I have emailed you evidence that includes private information. As I have noted at the workshop, I will leave it to you to share with fellow arbitrators active in the case. Thanks. Risker ( talk) 20:28, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
The Geogre/Connolley RFAR was not supposed to be about Giano... and yet Kirill has added as a FoF an extensive collection of Giano quotations, which he describes as "public attacks against fellow editors". [81] Please note that, pushing the case further over towards being about Giano after all, Kirill had previously offered the same context-free collection in the workshop as "The elephant in the room". [82] I beg arbitrators to study the context Carcharoth supplies in "The detail in the elephant" [83] before they vote. It makes the elephant look rather different. Bishonen | talk 08:46, 15 July 2008 (UTC).
Schfifty Three 20:46, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Please revert this, as the word "much" is extremely sloppy and very inaccurate. Furthermore, not having the subject in the beginning is very improper. Also, the word "controversy" has to repeat based on standard nominalization principles. This is basic English, and I can provide you many texts on the necessity of this repetition. Thanks. Ottava Rima ( talk) 18:58, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Its not your "edit". Its the original language that I do not like. The topics are all controversial (especially anti-seminitism and economic topics). If the topics themselves aren't necessarily controversial (like Confucian ideals), his support for fascism combined with them is. My rework was a patch work and not the best. I welcome you to tighten the language accordingly. But please don't put that word "much" at the beginning. :) Ottava Rima ( talk) 17:35, 21 July 2008 (UTC) Also, some notes on the section - "one hand" and "other hand" for such a long list gets confusing. The section is about controversies, but not an in-depth analysis. It would be out of place to say there is "critical discussion" in a "controversy" section, because critical discussion could be on non-controversial topics. Hence the need to identify the list outright. "Controversial topics" introduces this idea. The problem is the repeat of variations of "controversy". The first sentence can be removed as contributing nothing to the paragraph, which limits the repetition. Also, here - the ref is to verify the "anti-semitism". Without it, there is a possibility of an edit war. Such descriptives have been subject to conflicts in many pages. Ottava Rima ( talk) 17:41, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Proposed language:
Justification: Tightens the language, removes the repetition of controversy, connects all the ideas together. For "b", the paranthesis emphasize the relationship of the topics while not confusing people with a long list that is separated by commas merging into a comparative clause that is separated by commas.
Ottava Rima ( talk) 17:49, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
If you have a chance, could you look here and use oversight ability, unless someone beats you to it? Ottava Rima ( talk) 02:47, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Hey Paul. I'd like to request that you show me how my comments are unhelpful please, either here, or privately. It's the bare facts of the matter. SlimVirgin is running a one man crusade to smear both Lar, and Alison publicly, where their hands are tied due to checkuser privacy policy. Even regarding this, the consensus is markedly against SlimVirgin, which is why she continues to try to find new places to try to forum-shop her smears (Got told that ANI was not the place and if she had a problem with Lar's actions, to file a complaint with the Ombudsmen, or with ArbCom. Instead, she brought it to EN-L and continued to make these smears). She has a habit of doing so (when the first ArbCom got opened, she attempted an end-run around English Wikipedia and it's proceedures by trying to rally support for a BADSITES-like proposal on the FOUNDATION-L list). Even if my comments are "unhelpful" they are completely accurate. SirFozzie ( talk) 19:11, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Paul, sorry to bother you. Slp1 and I have put Learned Hand up for peer review, prior to a submission for FAC. I know you were one of the editors who agreed with the idea of bringing this article to FA as a tribute to Newyorkbrad, and so I hope you'll be pleased we've come this far. We'd appreciate a peer review from you if you can find the time, to help us iron out any flaws before we go to FAC. All the best. qp10qp ( talk) 14:23, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi! I know you're occupied with all this Arb stuff, but I'd be grateful if you could have a look here. I'm really angry with all this edit-warring which has suddenly erupted, and I really feel like wanting to kick some asses. Sorry, but this situation has annoyed me a lot. Cheers and thanks in advance.-- Yannismarou ( talk) 18:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
As I feel only a 'rational wise judge' can do justice to my case of deletion. I am not a good writer but my content is crucial and only trapped in sub-communities religious bias which has become a Brhmo-Phobia in wikipedia too . I request your highness to post some urgent translator of Hindi to my references /notability of news/reviews at :
Alan Sun -- 203.194.98.177 ( talk) 21:35, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Paul, would you pass on the message below to the arbcom mailing list, please? Normally of course I wouldn't comment on a user without informing him/her about it, but this is a special case, in that Ncmvocalist deleted my last two posts to his page. (He also removed a number of posts he didn't like on the admins' noticeboard thread that my links below refer to.) I hope somebody passes on this one to him...but I'll be darned if I post another message on his page. Deleting civil, informative messages from respectable users (=er, that would be me) is...well... let's just put it that I'm not about to give him a third chance to do that.
I'm rather shocked that Ncmvocalist has apparently been invited to clerk the RFAr, after this lot (see especially WJScribe's trenchant comment: "one of the more ill-advised discussions brought to a board where ill-advised discussions regularly abound"), and this deletion, too, and this comment by Carcharoth.
I've seen people ask how to become arbcom clerks and be told that the way is simply to start clerking. Therefore I fear being told here that "nobody invited him, he just started." (Told in good faith, needless to say.) But Kirill did, specifically, invite Ncmvocalist, as specifically "perfectly suited for the job": [84] Well, I don't agree that he is. He has shown poor judgment and isn't suited for the job. If Kirill invited him before being aware of these things--for instance, before WJScribe had made his comment--then Ncmvocalist can and should be un-unvited, surely? Clerking is an important job. Bishonen | talk 22:37, 29 July 2008 (UTC).
Paul, this is totally absurd, what's going on at WP:AE right now. See [86]. Please step in. Bishonen | talk 10:30, 8 August 2008 (UTC).
Hello Paul. I'm a little concerned with this comment you made earlier today. It's one thing saying that Giano's comments weren't civil in your opinion, but others obviously disagree with that. For you to go and insinuate that you also believe Chillum is a useless twit, when you were voicing your opinion as an arbitrator is unacceptable in my opinion. I hope you consider an apology to Chillum for the way your comments have come across. Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 15:21, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
(Edit conflict with above) It doesn't matter if you are an arbitrator or not - this comment was completely unacceptable, and contained a personal attack. You should definitely know better. - Rjd0060 ( talk) 15:24, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to
attack other editors, as you did on
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Does the edit I made help? Mr. Opensockpuppeter ( talk · message · contribs · global contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · user creation · block user · block log · count · total · logs · summary · email | lu · rfa · rfb · arb · rfc · lta · checkuser · spi · socks | rfar · rfc · rfcu · ssp | current rights · rights log (local) · rights log (global/meta) | rights · renames · blocks · protects · deletions · rollback · admin · logs | UHx · AfD · UtHx · UtE) 18:59, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
This is to confirm that I'm requesting the removal of my Oversight access. Thanks, Paul August ☎ 17:40, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
I've resigned from the Arbitration Committee — except that I intend to remain active on all cases in which I am currently participating. Thanks to all those who voted for me, and to all those who have supported me in doing this very difficult job. I apologize for not serving out my full term. Three years is a long time.
Since this is a valedictory of sorts, permit me the vain indulgence of sharing some thoughts.
In my candidate statement I wrote:
The fundamental virtue of Wikipedia — the reason for its amazing success — has been its egalitarian bottom-up organization. The Arbitration Committee has been an unfortunate though necessary exception to this. Aristotle has told us that man is by nature a political animal. The Arbitration Committee has to some extent shown a natural and increasing tendency to extend its power and scope — we should all guard against this. Power is sticky, it clumps and accretes. Be careful of giving power to those who want it for its own sake.
Factionalism has been an increasingly worrying issue. I also wrote in my candidate statement that:
This need has never been more urgent. We are fortunate to have many dedicated editors, who care deeply about our encyclopedia and who obviously share a love of knowledge and the belief that making knowledge available to all can make the world a better place. Unfortunately, some of our most dedicated editors are also our most divisive. We should let our shared values unite us, rather than our disagreements divide.
One final self-quote:
This is why I contribute to this project, and why I will continue to do so -- my dedication to this noble endeavor remains undiminished. I'm very much looking forward to the pleasures of being a simple editor again, to once more experience the joy and satisfaction of writing the encyclopedia.
Best wishes to all,
Paul August ☎ 17:53, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Sad to see this, though I certainly can't blame you for not wanting to do it anymore. Have a great time in the mainspace. May we all read what you wrote above. We need to take it to heart. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 03:48, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Paul, that's a big loss for the community at large, but I surely missed working alongside you. Welcome back to the fun bit. -- Jitse Niesen ( talk) 11:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Freedom is valued by oneself. You can be free and poor as well as rich and constricted. It all depends on how you treat it. Sometimes we do need to take a step back so that we can be more true to ourselves. I do not know what your intentions were to resign, but as long as it is what you really want, then may it be the right decision when you look at it sometime down the road. Been a pleasure working as a AC/C for you. - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 11:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
I think I cast the first vote for you back in 2006. Sorry to see you go, but I trust your judgment, and decision. Best wishes. Jd2718 ( talk) 13:10, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
(ec) It's bittersweet for a few of us, and indeed, you will be sorely missed. Your committment, wisdom, as well as the tremendous amount of work you've put in the ArbCom has been almost too valuable to lose. To that effect, like FloNight, I do hope you'll come back at some point. That said, I recall you earlier expressing how much time has been consumed by ArbCom work (even through emails), that you have almost no time for the article space - this should no longer be an issue now. To this effect, I can appreciate your decision and I do think you'll be happy with it for some time at least. In any case, thank you, and wishing you all the best - Ncmvocalist ( talk) 05:50, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Came here from the Signpost article, and I wish they'd included the paragraph of your statement before what was actually quoted. The paragraph before was good things for all editors to keep in mind. (As was your whole statement here.) :) Hope to come across and work with you on articles someday. Best, LaughingVulcan 03:13, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Likewise from the Signpost article. Your work was appreciated. Welcome "back". :) 86.44.24.95 ( talk) 08:51, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Stay out of this. This is between me and Jimbo. peace. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.199.155.22 ( talk) 04:05, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi Paul, I was wondering if you can take a look at my recent interactions with User:Mathsci and give your opinion? I have basically already stopped actively contributing to wikipedia because of his overbearing behavior; now it appears that he is willing to go even further and has started issuing me ultimatums, [87]. Thank you very much in advance! Arcfrk ( talk) 08:17, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
P.S. I am going to leave a similar request at Charles Matthews' talk page.
Please see the comments on Charles Matthews' page. I spoke by telephone to User:R.e.b. about Arcfrk's problematic behaviour yesterday, before he contacted you. User:R.e.b. is one of our top mathematics editors: he is the editor who asked me to contribute to WPM. Charles knows our real life identities. Arcfrk's contributions seems to have degenerated to low-level trolling. He consistently refuses to provide sources and is more often than not wrong in what he claims. He is extremely problematic in his interactions with other mathematics editors. Mathsci ( talk) 23:15, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Talk:Liancourt Rocks regarding:
I should note that I am involved in the discussion, but I do not want to influence your opinion should you choose to offer one. I merely want some uninvolved editors to view the discussion and then offer an opinion. If you choose to participate, please post your opinion in the RFC comments section there. Thank you for your time. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:39, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
No problem w you changing 'writings' on Socrates, and I do confess to some ignorance on the subject, but it doesn't look like vandalism to me. Anarchangel ( talk) 04:45, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
It seems 75.164.10.218 did vandalism, 208.48.205.170 replaced that text with 'writings' when it had been 'dialogues', and you reverted the whole thing back to the original 'dialogues'. I looked at your revert on Changes and it looked like you were changing 'writings' to 'dialogues' and calling it vandalism. Solved. Hopefully this won't come up very often, it is just the sort of thing I would forget to check for even now that I know of it Anarchangel ( talk) 15:49, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
Hello there. I am contacting you because you were the last administrator to deal with the problematic edits from 69.213.37.242 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) -- they have returned (not surprisingly). RFerreira ( talk) 19:29, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi Paul, I just nomed Filiocht's article on H.D. at FAR and was hoping you might have time to take a look and comment. A FAR on a '04 promotion was going to happen anyway, so I'm acting preemptivly at a time when I will be able to respond. The page remans fairly heathy since the FAC, it is reasonably well cited, but just needs a little polish here and there. I remember the work you did during the Yeats FAR, and was hoping you might be able to help out here as well, even if only offering suggestions or fighting against the 1 cite per sentence police. Either way, best. Ceoil sláinte 22:19, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Fair enough, as long as reasonable comments will at some point again be allowed. Mackan79 ( talk) 17:08, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I just made three proposals at WP:NOR - feel free to comment, Slrubenstein | Talk 01:13, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I have unblocked 8 IP addresses that you indefinitely blocked. Per WP:Blocking IP addresses, IP addresses should almost never be indefinitely blocked. Additionally, "Vandalism-only account" should never be given as the reason to block an IP address, as IP addresses aren't accounts. Most of the IPs in question had never even been blocked before, so an indefinite block was particularly inappropriate for these cases, especially for run-of-the-mill vandalism. Finally, I find your block of User:71.201.234.208 particularly problematic. This user had his first edit (minor vandalism) in over 8 months, had never been previously blocked or even warned, and no notice of the block was given after your indefinite block of him. I realize these blocks occurred quite a while ago, so I hope that you have refreshed up on the blocking policy since. If not, I strongly encourage you to read up on its changes, as indefinitely blocking IP addresses, while it used to be a somewhat common practice, is virtually nonexistent now. Thanks, VegaDark ( talk) 18:10, 14 November 2008 (UTC) (slightly edited from original to better convey my intent).
Take a look at WP:RfAr if you haven't recently. Are you missing the fun yet? It's not too late for you to come back to us, I don't think. Regards, Newyorkbrad ( talk) 19:01, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunately, Pohta ce-am pohtit has marked his or her user page as retired. I hope that it was not because we were using that talk page to discuss. It would be very unfortunate if the effect of T.E.'s block was to push some other editor away from wikipedia.
I appreciate your point that we don't want to be in the business of censoring people's talk page posts. I thought about removing the post myself for a moment, but since I was aware that several editors on the math talk page are very reluctant to see anything prematurely removed, I left the comment in place.
My main concern with using the wikiproject talk page is not that I think the people there are likely to be biased, or that the review would be inappropriate. My main concern is that I don't want (non-math) editors to get the idea that the math project is a clique, or that math editors are somehow subject to special standards that can only be enforced by other math editors. I posted a longer note about that for Pohta at [88]. — Carl ( CBM · talk) 17:06, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
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I started editing the article dependent and independent variables, which was a real mess, and added some cited content under the math section. However, there is all this content under the statistics section that is uncited, and wanted to know if someone would help me find sources for this information, or challenge and remove it? kilbad ( talk) 03:14, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Do you know that in this edit, you changed the article to an article about a different person? The Australian combinatorialist and the American Mathematical physicist born in Connecticut and now at the University of Toledo are two different people. Michael Hardy ( talk) 21:37, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
-Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
-Bishzilla! (See top left.)
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14:27, 8 March 2009 (UTC).
Paul,
I'm getting pretty tired of all this back and forth on Cantor re Judaism. Of course I would very gladly do something to address the issue myself, but as you may or may not know, I no longer have access to English-language libraries. I only have access to the Internet. Would you and perhaps others be willing to access all of the sources listed etc. and take on the task of revamping the "Ancestry" section, addressing each and every statement/point in a non-OR and non-POV manner? Geometry guy recommended your name in this respect. I'm also contacting Trovatore and Pmanderson. Tks Ling.Nut ( talk— WP:3IAR) 10:06, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Sorry about that, and thank you very much for fixing them! Kirill [talk] [pf] 12:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Would you be interested in joining this project? We need more editors who share a burden for rescuing promising editors who have gotten into serious trouble because of behavioral issues. IF (a fundamental condition!) they are interested in reforming and adapting to our standards of conduct, and are also willing to abide by our policies and guidelines, rather than constantly subverting them, we can offer to help them return to Wikipedia as constructive editors. Right now many if not most users who have been banned are still active here, but they are here as socks or anonymous IPs who may or may not be constructive. We should offer them a proper way to return. If you think this is a good idea, please join us. -- Brangifer ( talk) 04:17, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
After clicking on the Blender (software) link form the Graphics Lab, I followed the URL to the website (www.blender.org). After installation began, I got a pop-up from my Comcast Spyware software saying it had found large ammounts of Spyware in the software. Then I tried it again today to see if there was any difference, and sure enough, still Spyware. Should there be a note on the Blender (software) page & Graphics Lab's page?
Sought | Knock Knock | Who's There? 04:42, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated Attalus I for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Cirt ( talk) 07:05, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey FayssalF, what's the deal with the "(Ctrl-click)"> (Ctrl-click)"> (Ctrl-click)"> (Ctrl-click)">" in (Ctrl-click)"> (Ctrl-click)"> (Ctrl-click)"> these edits? Paul August ☎ 02:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't understand why you've twice reverted the article square root to make it contain "Even in non-standard positional numeral systems, the only notable exception is golden ratio base." What do you think that means, and why is it preferable to attaching the dependent clause "Even in non-standard positional numeral systems" to the clause it actually refers to, which is in the previous sentence? 128.100.5.116 ( talk) 15:13, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Hello Paul,
Thanks for your correction to codomain; I know little of the subject of function anatomy myself, and was merely trying to adapt a dictionary definition I had on hand to make the introduction more understandable to the average person. I guess my dictionary is wrong. I think Wolfram Mathworld explains it well: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Codomain.html. Maybe we should adapt that definition for the article? As an aside, would it be correct to assert the following?
Thanks for your help. — Anonymous Dissident Talk 15:34, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Just wanted to pop in and say thank you for all of the work you have been doing to make sure that decisions are well-formatted, properly assessed, and then statistically analysed. I've found myself referring to the stats periodically, and really appreciate that the decisions are properly kept in order. You know...you could come back for the last few months of your elected term... :-) Risker ( talk) 20:33, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Breaks is just a way of citing multiple citations, which I first used in El Greco, and then evolved in Roman-Persian Wars to distinct between primary and secondary sources, but I have no intention to impose them. It is up to you! Of course, I'll add any sources I've used before going to sleep, and it is up to you to judge is these sources should stay or go. Cheers!-- Yannismarou ( talk) 21:46, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello. I recently made a constructive edit to the aforementioned page, which could not be conceived of as vandalism in any way. However, you rolled back the edit shortly after. Because rollback does not leave an edit summary, please do not use it to rollback good faith constructive edits, as there is no reason left for the reversal.
24.13.84.240 ( talk) 03:53, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
[90] Okay, so maybe it isn't the way some others would have done it, but is there a reason for the comment being removed? Perhaps you have an alternate suggestion for me? Risker ( talk) 19:11, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
It seems that discussion is occurring in several locations. Could you please comment at Talk:Sophocles/GA1 on the status of this article in terms of retaining its rating.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 04:50, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
We both seemed to have overlooked R7 and R7.1, they both appear to be equally passing, but I personally feel 7.1 is the preferred one. Thoughts? Tiptoety talk 19:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
The Established editors association will be a kind of union of who have made substantial and enduring contributions to the encyclopedia for a period of time (say, two years or more). The proposed articles of association are here - suggestions welcome.
If you wish to be elected, please notify me here. If you know of someone else who may be eligible, please nominate them here
Discussion is here. Peter Damian ( talk) 17:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
A sock puppet, a meat puppet and Jimbo walk into a bar. The sock puppet says "I'll have a beer". The meat puppet says "I'll have a beer". Jimbo says "I'll start an open, collaborative project to establish pillars, policies, guidelines, essays and noticeboards from which to spend one million hours to develop consensus on whether or not any reliable sources verifiably state that there is any beer here, or that this is even a bar at all."
Best I can do at the moment. Franamax ( talk) 22:33, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
A sock puppet, a meat puppet and Jimbo walk into a bar. The sock puppet says "I'll have the exact same drink as the patron sitting out on the patio, who I've never seen before in my life despite the strange coincidence that our cars have the same license plate number, but it doesn't matter because I'm getting drunk so at least I won't be driving that car home and it's not my car anyway." The sock puppet knocks over his drink, runs out of the bar, slaps a please-unblock-me-now template on his car and drives home using the back roads. As all this is happening, the meatpuppet steal Jimbo's wallet. At that moment, Jimbo was enlightened. OK, I'm just trying to make Bigtime's pathetic effort respectable now, I can't even rip off Buddhism properly. Bet I could program a bot to do an even worse job though... Franamax ( talk) 11:10, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
The contest is ending early due to a deluge of entries, and because of the emergence of a clear winner. I'd like to thank all those who entered, and acknowledge the obvious amount of time and effort everyone put into their work. Congratulations to all. Now for the prize winners. First prize goes to Franamax, for being the first to enter. First prize also goes to Bigtimepeace, for being first to enter second. Come on up guys and receive your prizes.
Finally "Best in show" goes to our own Paul August for the following entry:
A sock puppet, a meat puppet and Jimbo walk into a bar. The sock puppet orders a beer, and logs onto his favorite website and votes in a straw poll about the merits of straw versus socks. Seeing that the sock side is losing, he logs onto a second account, votes again, and offers to buy his friend the meat puppet a pork pie if he will do the same. Which the meat puppet promptly does. Both puppets immediately get blocked, with the message: "Congratulations you've been blocked, Naaaa na naaaa na naaaa nah". This causes a debate to ensue as to whether this is funny or not. And Paul the August, naturally decides to offer a prize for the best completion of "A sock puppet, a meat puppet and Jimbo walk into a bar ..." Paul enters his own contest and and awards his doggerel "Best in show". What about Jimbo you say? Well observing all this Jimbo orders a "scotch neat", and says, to no one in particular, "That Paul, what a fine fellow."
Wow, Neither joke nor meta-joke but allegory! Well done Paul!
Paul August ☎ 20:57, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Because my entry would have read as follows (submitted for your enertainment): A sock puppet, a meat puppet and Jimbo walk into a bar. The rabbi turns to the priest and says to him, "They'll let anybody in here nowadays." The priest replies, "I need a citation for that." -- llywrch ( talk) 18:41, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
(Sobs, but carefully keeps good side toward camera) Thank you, this is the best day of my life. Especially considering my recent ordeal where the garbage truck backed into the utility pole just outside my dwelling, the one with the 3 transformers and 37 different wiring connections, one of which was labelled Wikipedia. It will all be in my upcoming documentary, including "Putting toothpaste on the brush in the dark", "When the apprentice dropped the one good drill bit and broke it", "When they drove the bucket truck into the tree", and "Even though you're really cautious after startup and only have one single lamp lit, it still gets nuked and it was one of those large-base trilight bulbs that are really hard to find nowadays". I know that God was watching over me and helped me win this award.
I've actually been considering uspacing this whole shebang with an eye to donating it to the project as a humour page. It's relatively fertile ground. Has anyone asked Jimbo for his contest entry? Franamax ( talk) 14:56, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
If you're interested in proofing the tallies, numbering, and such for the final decision of the A Man In Black case, I've written a draft at User:AGK/C. You're free to correct, update, or comment on that draft at your leisure. Regards, AGK 20:02, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
-- I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a {{ Talkback}} message on my talk page. @ 18:38, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Question: I saw the notice at the top of the C.S. Lewis article ("This article's citation style may be unclear. The references used may be made clearer with a different or consistent style of citation"). I updated the reference to a standard Book Citation. You undid the reference stating it was redundant (I assume with the Bibliography). Curious as to why. Is a link considered sufficient in Wikipedia? What does their comment re: citation style unclear mean then? Appreciate any advice you can give me.
I saw other references in history to citation style and cite.php
User:bmuth 20:14, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm so sorry for what I did on the hyperreal numbers page. I was caught in a momentary lapse of self-control, and behaved childishly and irrationally. Who knew one simple little word would be so damaging. Thankfully, a hero arrived in the form of Paul August, and I thank you for saving me of my folly. I am truly blessed to have been saved by one such as yourself. Alas, I regret to say this is not the first time such a spell has come over me. The last time I was saved by Dr. Arthur Rubin. His Erdős number is only 1, and he's a 4-time Putnam scholar, so being saved by him was an even bigger blessing, but you take what you can get. Hopefully I never fail to control myself anymore, and if I can once again go without changing articles needlessly, I'd have you to thank. And Dr. Rubin, but that's irrelevant. Once again, I thank you sir, and I apologize.
Love, Matt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.141.149.78 ( talk) 03:47, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Is there a place where deleted article text goes so that I can archive it for my own personal use? Obviously searching the history of the old article does nothing. Please help. I will check back here for a post from you. I hope you can help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tkech ( talk • contribs) 05:13, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I am very happy that Attalus kept his star. I am sorry I did not help more to address the remaining reviewers's concerns, but a heavy program, vacations and a broken bone have been keeping me away! I hope that I'll have the chance to cooperate again with you some time in Wikipedia (in FAC, FAR or somewhere else!), because you are one of the gentlest guys around, and it is always a pleasure for any user to work with you. Cheers!-- Yannismarou ( talk) 11:28, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
If you have some time please provide us with an input at this RFC on 2008 Summer Olympics torch relay article and this Merger Contest. Thank You! -- HappyInGeneral ( talk) 23:56, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for patching up the linkage in logarithm, but I think we shouldn't really be including this statement and linking to the unsourced bit in common logarithm, at least until we can get some support for it. So I took out the sentence, including your link. Dicklyon ( talk) 18:14, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
I just want to point out that after your edit of Synergetics coordinates it actually does not have an algabraic (written) example of the coordinates such as '(x,y,....)'-- Dchmelik ( talk) 19:33, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Did this edit make any visual difference in the article? I thought that whitespace on the ends of headings is ignored. — Carl ( CBM · talk) 23:23, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi Paul,
I think your summary on Talk:Pi is reasonably fair. (I'm responding here to avoid cluttering that talk page with further discussion of this.) As far as I can tell, there's not anyone in particular who deserves blame, but somehow the collective actions of several editors amounted to bullying behavior. (For better or ill, the wikiproject does have a tendency to gang up on people sometimes.) For what it's worth, I thought your apology on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics showed a lot of class and did a very good job at diffusing the situation.
Cheers, Jim ( talk) 03:57, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I saw that u added links in the Dido disambiguation page. The guidelines show that we only link one item per line. Details are over at MOS:DAB. That whole area of Wikipedia is an interesting place to work. Just thought i'd let u know. Dawnseeker2000 04:52, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
As you participated in the recent
Audit Subcommittee election, or in one of two
requests for comment that relate to the use of
SecurePoll for elections on this project, you are invited to participate in the
SecurePoll feedback and workshop. Your comments, suggestions and observations are welcome.
For the Arbitration Committee,
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Please do not remove the link to concept in the article set. There are very few instances where linking "concept" is completely appropriate, and this is obviously one of them. Please also see User:Gregbard/Concepts and theories. Be well. Pontiff Greg Bard ( talk) 03:27, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I replied there as well. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 01:25, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
— sligocki ( talk) 08:32, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
FYI - question. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 17:06, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
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Hi Paul. This edit removed several statements, including my own. I assume it was unintentional, but I wasn't sure the best way to go about fixing it, so thought I'd ask you. Happy New Year, anyhow. :) MastCell Talk 04:09, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Paul, you may be interested in the following discussion, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics#Computational complexity theory as part of "mathematics". Thanks. Oleg Alexandrov ( talk) 17:11, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, forgot about that. Hersfold ( t/ a/ c) 19:09, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Your input would be appreciated at
Hi,
Thanks for your note. I've written an explanation of what I reverted and why on the talk page for the article. By all means, let's reach consensus! Roger Pearse ( talk) 19:47, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
You recently blocked Qwertyisbest for page-move vandalism. I just noticed a user named Qwertyismykeyboard editing an article Qwertyisbest was interested in, and the assumption of sockpuppetry doesn't seem too far-fetched. Qwertyismykeyboard's edit wasn't vandalism, though. What should be done? Block evasion is prohibited, of course, but calling for checkuser seems like overkill right now. Should I just wait and watch? Yours, Huon ( talk) 16:24, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi there. Back in 2005 you discussed this article at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Church of Reality. The article has since been recreated, and I have re-nominated it for deletion. Your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Church of Reality (2nd nomination). Robofish ( talk) 01:42, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
I do not want to get into a fight over the AD. CE issue: I left a note on Calcearius talk page, will you look at it and see if any thing else needs to added so that this issue does not become contentious. Thanks. Hardyplants ( talk) 20:59, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
I see you have a Ph.D.
This is a heated discussion in the Talk:Barack Obama page.
There are some people who insists that President Obama is a professor. There are some that want to diminish his achievements. I take the neutral ground.
I think there is confusion between Professor and professor. The difference escapes many people in the general public. Obama was a part time faculty member and was given the title of Lecturer then Senior Lecturer. Senior Lecturer is very honorable but it's not the same as Professor and Chair.
What do you think? Does the average person know the difference between Professor, the title and professor, the generic profession? I think not. To prevent confusion and misunderstanding and not to diminish the man nor inflate his resume, I think that a simple mention that he was on the part time faculty at the University of Chicago Law School where he was a Lecturer and later Senior Lecturer is very honest, accurate, and neutral.
Please help! JB50000 ( talk) 08:25, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi Steven. Thanks for your two years + of service to the AC. It was a pleasure serving (briefly) with you. Paul August ☎ 03:10, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks so much for the note and your work. on those articles. Both are neccesary and Your re-instatements are much appreciated. Regards,
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Any possibility of reinstating this? It is a perfectly good article although it needs Wikifying and a bit more research on how to link it to other articles. Thanks for your help with the other articles 86.184.133.167 ( talk) 20:13, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
You missed the last edit war over whether Euclid had "oriental origins".— Finell 03:05, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Usually if you have to manually edit a page to fix the formatting so that your script will accept it, you're doing something very wrong. :-) -- MZMcBride ( talk) 03:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
and what about in a different place? ( recursion) franklin 03:56, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
I wonder if you could be so kind as to do the honours again. This refers [91]. Could I possibly see the version of Illuminationism that was deleted by Fram? And why did 'Beeblebrox' revert to an inconsistent set of birth dates for Duns Scotus in the same article? Shouldn't rule C5 be treated with discretion and care? Are any of the people here actually qualified to look after an encyclopedia? Regards John Watkins LLD ( talk) 22:40, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi Paul. I notice you're active in maintaining the article on the Roman emperor Nero. I think there may be vandalism in footnote 5 ("Nero was not a fiddle player..."), but I've looked at some past revisions and it's been in place for awhile, so I'm not sure. Would you mind checking it out and addressing it if appropriate? Thanks, Candent shlimazel ( talk) 03:48, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
This appears to have 6, but from a reading of the top of the page, with 0-1 abstentions, 7 are needed to pass? Cirt ( talk) 20:20, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
This is a serious problem. Cirt ( talk) 20:40, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
As an aside, thank you very much Paul August for your very polite and helpful explanations during all this. Cirt ( talk) 21:12, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
So ... if I am understanding this correctly, an "abstain" ( or a recuse ) reduces the number of votes needed for a particular decision to pass, so an "abstain" is sort of like a "weak support"? Cirt ( talk) 21:25, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Paul August, thanks again very very much for your candor and especially for being so polite and kind with me in your responses regarding this. Yours, Cirt ( talk) 02:43, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Bureaucrat Unchecking has now been open for 32 days; with only four comments in the past 10 days. RFCBot ran off with the RfC tag two days ago; it's easily time for it to be closed. Due to the nature of the issue, no administrator is truly "uninvolved", but one who is especially well-respected by the community, such as yourself; are the closest thing we've got. Fancy making a close? For reference, I'm contacting former arbitrators who hold admin tools but no other bits. Cheers, Happy‑ melon 19:05, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
The template is deprecated, so I thought that they should be changed. I think the reason is because we should not be talking about an article in a hatnote. Explanations prepared if required. 174.3.98.236 ( talk) 02:46, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
After some years of gestation, this article is now largely finished. I am thinking of taking it to FA but would like some thoughts from people first, as I have heard such bad things about this process. It should go there one day, the history of logic is one of the top 50 articles that should be in an encyclopedia. I welcome any thoughts. HistorianofLogic ( talk) 20:43, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi Paul. Thanks for changing the title of my request for clarification. In fact you changed it from a correct title to an incorrect title. You are not the first to try the same change so I have changed it back and noted in big letters now. Do you think that it would be clear now with the big letters because the change you and one other editor made... it definitely wasn't correct? Thanks. ~ R. T. G 23:23, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
I've been reading your articles WAY longer than I've been a user, and they rock! They are probably the best sourced, most knowledgeable, and most reliable articles that I've seen! Are you a college professor? Your expertise and writing style make me suspect this. WikiDude1776 ( talk) 19:31, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi Paul. We've collaborated before a long time ago on WP. I was wondering if you could have a look at the Pandora's box article, especially with recently added material on the feminist interpretation which seems to have a lot of OR and POV. It feels fiddly. Ideas? Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc ( talk) 23:57, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
I am will shortly be posting to WP:AN with the request below. Any support would be appreciated.
"I would like to take the article History of logic to FA. I have already sought input from a number of contributors and have cleared up the issues raised (I am sure there are more). I wrote nearly all of the article using different accounts, as follows:
I would like to continue this work but I am frustrated by the zealous activity of User:Fram who keeps making significant reverts, and blocking accounts wherever he suspects the work of a 'banned user'. (Fram claims s/he doesn't understand "the people who feel that content is more important than anything else").
Can I please be left in peace with the present account to complete this work. 'History of logic' is a flagship article for Wikipedia, and is an argument against those enemies who claim that nothing serious can ever be accomplished by the project". Logic Historian ( talk) 10:04, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Some more (or at least hopefully a little more correct) diffs: [93] [94] [95] [96] [97] [98] [99]. Best regards, Bishonen | talk 02:13, 7 March 2010 (UTC).
Another query for an opinion, Paul. Special:Contributions/Indike001 seems to have summarized without citations? See Works and Days, for one of many examples and the addition of the "subjects" section. Thoughts? -- if you have time. Is it OR or on the up and up? Best wishes and many thanks in advance. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc ( talk) 01:31, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
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In a nutshell - no I can't. I have been trying to revert vandalism, not cause it. certainly in that last example you gave I was reverting the comments left by the previous user and left a comment at their talk page here: User talk:64.219.39.208. So I'm confused. -- Wintonian ( talk) 02:17, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
If you have a moment, can you answer a question? Does this make any sense? How can a bot delete an article talk page? I have never heard of such a thing. --- RepublicanJacobite The'FortyFive' 13:40, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
The FAC is going well but the section on post-war developments needs some help. As I have said, I am not an expert on modern logic at all. Is it true that there was a period of consolidation after WWII? Was forcing the only result of significance? Do we mention 'reverse mathematics'? Help needed!!! From the other side ( talk) 12:35, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Just wanted to point out that {{ fn}} and {{ fnb}} are up for deletion and no longer work. You may want to update your sub-page. Cheers. something lame from CBW 11:07, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
"Typically" being the salient point. Nice bureaucratic edge, there. Funny you had to block an IP pretty much immediately. Tan | 39 19:46, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Hello, Paul. I´ve notice Python (mythology, computing language..etc) has many different meanings...Can anyone help me with desambiguation for this word? Tks!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Louansa ( talk • contribs) 17:14, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Do you know why User:Peter_Damian banned? I've still to reply to a question he asked 18 months ago (I know, I've been busy!). Stephen B Streater ( talk) 22:28, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
[100] = does this cite verify the asserted specific dates of birth/death? -- Cirt ( talk) 23:06, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi. Was there any reason to remove the students you removed other than the fact that they were redlinks? Several of the removals were very well-established mathematicians who should have an article on wiki, but simply don't. Cheers. RobHar ( talk) 17:20, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Hey Paul, thanks for the correction on Uranus (mythology). I read the damn thing at least five times and I just didn't see it. Now I understand why the other editor put replaced the semicolon with a comma. Your parentheses make it clearer though. SQGibbon ( talk) 04:18, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Just wondering, were the comments here deleted unintentionally? -- Edward130603 ( talk) 20:14, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Just for the record: do you oppose replacing <references />
with {{
Reflist}}
in this article? —
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Hi Paul, thanks for inquiring about the Wikipedia Campus Ambassador role! More details about the Campus Ambassador role can be found at http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Campus_Ambassador. Here is also a little bit more information; in a nutshell:
The Campus Ambassadors are crucial components of the Wikipedia Public Policy Initiative. Volunteers in this position will be in charge of training and supporting the participating professors and students on Wikipedia-related skills, such as how to create new articles, how to add images, how the talk pages work, etc. Campus Ambassadors will also help recruit other people on campus to contribute to Wikipedia articles, for example by setting up Wikipedia-related student groups and by organizing "Welcome to Wikipedia" social events. In general they will become known as Wikipedia experts on the university campus (in your case, on the Harvard University campus). The estimated time commitment for this role is 3 to 5 hours a week, possibly slightly more at the very beginning and very end of the semester. The Wikimedia Foundation will hold a mandatory three-day training for all Campus Ambassadors in August, and will continue to stay in contact with and offer full support for the Campus Ambassadors throughout the academic semester.
If you are interested in being a Wikipedia Campus Ambassador at Harvard University, I would like to send you the application form. What email address can I send this to? (Feel free to email me this info if you prefer: alin@wikimedia.org).
Thanks. I look forward to hearing back from you soon!
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Armbrust Talk Contribs 23:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
When you get back, please look at the IP's recent edits adding Marduk, etc. Thanks. Dougweller ( talk) 11:56, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
In metric systems it represents the point of reference or origin. That is "metric systems" (ie. numeric systems that measure something) not "the metric system" (ie. the European standards). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.153.37 ( talk) 02:41, 7 August 2010 (UTC) Metric Space is probably the more common term. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.153.37 ( talk) 02:53, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Hey, Paul, I know you watch Persephone and guard against some of the worst impulses there, but I was wondering whether you had any thoughts on why this article attracts such capricious editing, or what sort of approach or reorganization might help. This is such a key figure for the mystery religions that in writing my obscure little articles on ancient religion I often have occasion to link there, but I always do so with reluctance. Eros, as you know, is also a problem, and a pretty skimpy article at present. Cynwolfe ( talk) 19:32, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
You reverted one of my edits without giving a single reason. This is usually done for vandalisms, non for normal edits. Please, give a reason for that revert. -- TakenakaN ( talk) 09:28, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Paul, what makes you say that it's silly to specify that Venetus A was written in the 10th century AD? The Trojan war was in the 12th century BC, so it's certainly possible for someone to write about it in the 10th century BC. I myself was confused when I was reading about this topic. ( Huey45 ( talk) 10:13, 16 August 2010 (UTC))
Paul, I know you watch Eros too, but I have no idea what's happened to that already dubious page. It's a disaster and I don't have time to do anything about it at the moment. You've been watching it longer than I, so perhaps the course of events will make quicker sense to you. Cynwolfe ( talk) 03:43, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps you could add your input here, instead of just reverting with no comment. Lt.Specht ( talk) 16:27, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Greetings! Please excuse this intrusion on your talk page, and allow me to invite you to participate in the newly-formed Wikipedia Contribution Team ( WP:CONTRIB for short)! The goal of the team is to attract more and better contributions to the English Wikipedia, as well as to help support the fundraising team in our financial and editing contribution goals. We have lots of stuff to work on, from minor and major page building, to WikiProject outreach, article improvement, donor relations, and more—in fact, part of our mission is to empower team members to make their own projects to support our mission. Some of our projects only take a few minutes to work on, while others can be large, multi-person tasks—whatever your interest level, we're glad to have you.
If this sounds interesting, please visit WP:CONTRIB and sign onto the team. Even if there does not appear to be anything that really speaks out as being work you'd like to do, I'd encourage you to join and follow the project anyway, as the type of work we'll be doing will certainly evolve and change over time. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me, or ask on the team talk page. Regards, ⇒ DanRosenthal Wikipedia Contribution Team 22:19, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD, EVERYONE, EVERY SINGLE PERSON knows that Orpheus was a Thracian, so why on earth, in the galaxy if you will, wont that be part of Thracian mythology as well. It sounds to me like you people are trying to cut all links of him with Thrace. Ive also seen a similar thing with Dionosys - saying it was Greek - thats just ridicolous,what next Spartacus will be greek as well?. If you want sources for this I am glad to post,well, like a million of them. I am going to revert it. Please dont be difficult in this please leave it there - I know my history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.133.1.98 ( talk) 21:57, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Hello Well basically its the sources that guy Jingiby posted on the talk page plus the one I posted in my last edit, where it says he was of thracian origin. I hope you can understand professionally at least why I am upset at the situation here. I have read a lot of history - it is a hobby of mine and I ,ove it, and in a lot of places I read he was a Thracian. Also, according to wikipedia neutrality rules - all "significant" viewpoints have to be mentioned in order for there to be no bias - by mentioning one viewpoint - that he was in only Greek mythology, is basically ignoring the rule and will confuse a lot of people, where, the first place they look for information, is wikipedia (especially if they are newcomers to Orpheus and the whole deal). I am simply shocked and surprised that you guys are ignoring all the sources that the guy Jingiby put on the talk page,plus the one I put - I will try ti find many more when I have time. I just dont understand - whats wrong with those sources, why are you people ignoring a major viewpoint and only including one viewpoint (thus ignoring a rule) - that sounds a bit like POV at the least. All I am trying to do is make wikipedia a better place, and contributing to the greater knowledge in the world - I am just trying to help, but again now I see someone reverted my edits - it seems that this (most unfortunately - i.e: was uncalled for and unneeded) has become a problem now. I dont understand why there is so much fuss about including that he was also in Thracian mythology - logically if he was a Thracian, then he is automatically in Thracian mythology - doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure it out. Please bear with me on this and understand what I am trying to say, I mean no harm.
kind Regards 41.135.42.106 ( talk) 16:34, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Hey, here isone more source from an education website (.edu) - http://www.csun.edu/~hcfll004/orpheus.html - saying he was a Thracian - my point being that if he was Thracian then he is automatically in Thracian mythology, because,well....he was a Thracian. Another one (part of OXFORD education group) http://www.oup.com/us/companion.websites/0195153448/studentresources/chapters/ch16/?view=usa By the way, here is another previous edit which was completely neutral and fair to both sides, respecting all the rules - why did you people have to go and change it - now the page certainly looks POV, Im sure any non Greek and non Bulgarian editor would agree - here is the edit: Orpheus (Greek: Ὀρφεύς; pronounced /ˈɔrfiəs/ or /ˈɔrfjuːs/ in English) is a legendary figure, probably of Thracian origin,[1][2] venerated by the Greeks and Thracians[3]. The part where it says venerated by Greeks and Thracians is completely neutral and fair, you know. Here is one more link - http://books.google.co.za/books?id=wIceAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA114&dq=orpheus+thracian&hl=en&ei=u7b_TIGLAo-C4Aa-3JCMCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=orpheus%20thracian&f=false, where the famous poet Virgil "persistently reminds us of Orpheus' Thracian affiliation". Another one - http://books.google.co.za/books?id=r0ZoAAAAMAAJ&q=orpheus+thracian&dq=orpheus+thracian&hl=en&ei=u7b_TIGLAo-C4Aa-3JCMCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDcQ6AEwBA - in the top paragraph it says orpheus the thracian. ANother one - http://books.google.co.za/books?id=3J3-0I7YLfoC&pg=PA293&dq=orpheus+thracian&hl=en&ei=u7b_TIGLAo-C4Aa-3JCMCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CEkQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=orpheus%20thracian&f=false - it says Orpheus the uxorious poet. Another source that is named Thracian history and "myth" (i.e thracian mythology -and in it is mentioned orpheus) - http://www.proartandco.co.uk/downloads/2007_thracian_poetry_reading_programme.pdf. Another(in addition to the ones mentioned by Jingiby and mine) - http://www.eliznik.org.uk/Bulgaria/history/thracian-gods.htm. Another - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.135.42.106 ( talk) 16:59, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Alexander the Great is being reviewed for Good Article listing. It has been put on hold for an initial 14 days to allow for minor issues related to coverage and authorial tone to be addressed. Any assistance would be welcomed. SilkTork * YES! 23:51, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
I was VERY bold (as much to make a point and get some dialog going) and pasted in some still drawings in the lead. I hate to muck with a FA, but I'm sorry, IMHO that animation is worse than useless, it's so distracting I don't want to read the lead, plus it delivers no information (and apparently the information is wrong, or misleading per dialog just above my posting on the talk page. Anyway I saw you felt the same way back in 2009, just wanted to let you know I support your opinion. There's some really interesting math going on once a person realizes how the proof works, but you can't find it from that animation. Bill Wvbailey ( talk) 17:09, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
It got reverted quickly, which was no surprise. I put it back, but I'm sure it will be gone in an hour. Bill Wvbailey ( talk) 18:19, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi Paul, you reverted my Linear Algebra edit. I respect your opinion but I spent some time rewording the introduction and I would appreciate some feedback where you thought my editing was not clear. Personally I think the article could use a lot of improvement, and I've made a post on the talk page about this. Loadedsalt ( talk) 23:26, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Since most of what I do here is copy editing, I'm particularly pleased to be directed to the style manual.
Surely I've mentioned to you that I was surprised to learn that I know two categorical topologists. Unless, of course, another of those cognitive lapses has occurred.
Best, M. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Douglas Michael Massing ( talk • contribs) 03:19, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
p.s. Glancing over some recent items here, I found myself asking: If Jesus was Jewish, does it follow that he is a figure in Jewish mythology? ;^) Michael ( talk) 03:34, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
I am astonished at lack of an entry for diseasome. Best, Michael ( talk) 20:58, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
I see that this article, which is currently being radically restructured, is on your Watchlist. I shall remove it from mine, as vetting the diffs wears my patience and I trust your judgment that nothing of value is being lost or blurred.-- Wetman ( talk) 00:22, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
There is a vote taking place in which we could use your input. — GabeMc ( talk) 01:01, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Hello Paul and sorry for bothering you, but would you please chip in here, if you can? It's a point of procedure regarding Implementation notes on Noleander's arbcom case. Again, sorry for the intrusion and thanks. Salvio Let's talk about it! 19:05, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Please see Cleanup necessary?. Regards Gun Powder Ma ( talk) 21:59, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
Right; I started, but had to leave before I could finish. Cool Hand Luke 09:53, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
This whole thing always drives me insane. Could you please check my implementation notes for the AE case, especially for R1 to R3.1? Thanks, NW ( Talk) 18:48, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
If you have the time, could you keep a watchful eye on Euclid? I just deleted renewed speculation, inserted as fact, that Euclid was of Egyptian origin. I've had very little time for Wikipedia in recent months. This is the first time I looked in on this article since December, so today's was just a lucky catch. Thank you.— Finell 23:59, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello.
Can you do something about the bug described at Template talk:SmithDGRA? Michael Hardy ( talk) 11:34, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Would you be able to provide a reference or proof of your claim that "a metric space is separable if and only if it is homeomorphic to a totally bounded metric space?" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.165.28.144 ( talk) 15:25, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
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Hi Paul |
I saw that you deleted my edits to the 'derivative' page, saying that 'these edits are incorrect'. I'm confused, what parts were incorrect? Evan2718281828 ( talk) 01:13, 15 August 2011 (UTC) |
Ah, ok, this is how to write a message.
So I made edits to the intro to the derivatives page and tried to make it much clearer for people just learning without removing any info. But you deleted the edits and said that they were incorrect, so I wanted to know why; I of course didn't see any flaws in my edits, and I certainly need to know if I have the concept of a derivative all wrong! haha — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evan2718281828 ( talk • contribs) 01:22, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
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tags. You can look at
WP:NOTES if you're interested. Second, you referred to the increment h as a "random variable". But
random variable has a jargon meaning in probability, so that's not a good word for h.Hi Paul - as you may be aware, there is currently an RFC related to the next Arbitration Committee election. A suggestion has been raised with respect to statistical information about arbitrators seeking re-election here. As I know you have been quite industrious in collecting this sort of information, perhaps you could comment? Risker ( talk) 15:27, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
How do I go about getting Otium reassessed to possible B-Class and getting a higher assessment of "importance"?-- Doug Coldwell talk 15:31, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Yes it was inadvertent. since I was manually reverting anyway I wouldn't have got a prompt.© Geni 00:03, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi Paul, if it hasn't been done by the time you see this, could you delete Moirai so that the poorly named Moirae can be moved per the discussion at that page's Talk and at the Classics Project Talk? Thank you — the cardiff chestnut | talk — 19:11, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Regarding your edit to Multiverse. The template has succeeded in discouraging people from changing "die" to "dice". In the context of this article, the die is analogous to a particle in quantum mechanics, it's important that it's a singular die, not dice plural. Would you please self-revert? Thanks.— Machine Elf 1735 22:07, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
You Said ... Hi Melcombe. I see that you have reverted two of my edits, eliminating the use of the template "{{dice}}". I'd like to understand your reasoning for these reverts. I have several concerns with regard to the use of this template: It is confusing to find "{{dice}}" instead of the natural "die" when the singular is wanted, it generates a link, which can result in violations of WP:OVERLINK, it will encourage, it seems to me, the very ignorance that is the root of the problem, and finally I don't see how it, in any way, avoids the problem of editors changing "die" to "dice" inappropriately. Regards, Paul August ☎ 15:28, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
I don't run that project, I just help with upkeep on things that don't seem to get taken care of. I have been doing so for several years. I never said I run it, just help run it. To keep it fresh and make sure there are new collaborations every now and then and check on other housekeeping things. But I have no problem with working with people that WANT to work together, but Cynwolfe has never shown that they can really do that to me. That is my opinion based on every encounter with the member starting with this [101] and then continuing on the Greek Love article where policy and guidelines have just been thrown out the door as well as several of us that are major contributors. Cynwolfe is not innocent in all this. They have ownership issues on both the Greek love article and The Project Greece and Rome talk page. Talking down and name calling are not just aimed at me. The member looking to find a way to raise Otium to a B rating got slammed and then when I came to the page to discuss it, it became an intellectual contest of text with one person claiming that the article could never be raised to a higher rating until experts on that subject contributed and then some even attacked that member's intelligence. And this all starts with Cynwolfe in my opinion. The Project talk page has always had a lot of people of varying knowledge but this person creates an uncomfortable atmosphere.
Do I owe them an apology? Quite possibly, but I didn't say anything to Cynwolfe that they didn't already say to me. Do I deserve an apology? Calling someone a bully is so easy, but their actions show that more than mine, especially over the course of months where they have created an atmosphere where some don't want to post on the pages they are on out of sheer aggravation.
You have kept your participation in this very simple. That has far more weight to me than those that ramble on about how great Cynwolfe is. But if anyone does something Cynwolfe doesn't like they become horrible and the latest discussion is just one example. So I'll say this, if what Cynwolfe said to me was fine and does not deserve an apology to me or the outrageous attack I took when I was notifying them of changes to an article and then continued to push me off that page....do you think my saying I am sorry is going to change much? I have no problem doing it. Apologies are important....I just wonder who really deserves one here. I need to mean it when I say it and getting some small amount from that member first would go a long way towards my meaning it.-- Amadscientist ( talk) 20:40, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
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Hi Paul. I wonder if you are still maintaining the statistics of arbitration proceedings, or if the data for 2012 is simply forthcoming. If you are still maintaining the page, then thank you for your hard work, and please don't consider this an impatient demand for new data. Regards, AGK [•] 22:10, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Paul, I just finished cleaning up all the 500+ mythology articles that linked to Apollodorus of Athens (who was simply Apollodorus) instead of Bibliotheca (Pseudo-Apollodorus). I've moved the Athenian to Apollodorus of Athens and I'm pretty sure that Apollodorus should just be the dab. When you get a chance, could you clear out Apollodorus and move Apollodorus (disambiguation) there? I think this is uncontroversial and fits the dab page policy, but could be wrong. Thanks a bunch, — cardiff | chestnut — 17:15, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for taking care of that. The Unknown God one and the Leleges–Carians Apld.'s have stymied me. There's a chance that the Unknown God ref might belong to Apld. of Athens' Περὶ θεῶν, but this might be through Philodemus, and I don't have Obbink's editon of On Piety and my TLG disk doesn't either. Good catch on Acestorides: I should have realized from the order of the list (Conon, Apollodorus ...) that it had to be the Bibliotheca. I've cleared out the rest of the links to "Apollodorus (disambiguation)", a few of which I actually introduced. Thanks again for talking care of this. As I was going through the erroneous Bibliotheca > Apld. of Athens links I noticed how often WP had made the Bibliotheca a work of the 2nd c. BC, with some even calling it the Chronicle, so the move was really needed just to slow down WP's returning public knowledge of the Bibl.'s authorship to the state it was in during the the Byzantine period. — cardiff | chestnut — 15:17, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Your recent edits of the primary definition[s] of the absolute value function are problematic for three reasons. The first of which is that you are replacing a well source definition with one that does not have a source, the second is your failure to compromise by including the both definitions as they are equally signficant, and the third is that you seem to expect others to make discuss changes to the real argument definitions before they are changed, when you are not doing so yourself. I am going to revert your good faith edits for now, on the assumption that you will either provide a source for your definition, or start a talk page on the subject. Regards. KlappCK ( talk) 19:59, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
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You reverted my request in Administrator's Noticeboard. Care to explain why you did so, and furthermore failed to notify me that you had done so? - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 16:33, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
A bowl of very ancient pomegranates for you, for cracking down over at Persephone. That article makes me throw my hands in the air. Or wash them.
Anyhoo, welcome back! Cynwolfe ( talk) 21:58, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
I proposed this over at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Mathematics, but there doesn't seem to be much of a response, so, as I noticed that as you and I are the top 2 contributors to the article Area, would you like to collaborate with myself (and possibly others) in getting this vital article up to GA at least? Thank you for your time.-- Gilderien Chat| List of good deeds 14:03, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
There is currently a Straw poll taking place here. Your input would be appreciated. ~ GabeMc ( talk| contribs) 22:48, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
I didn't know you're a mathematician... o.o - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 11:42, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Just to let you know, I deleted the section that an IP had deleted, a deletion which you reverted. I was going to make a dummy edit when I first saw the IP's edit noting that it was right, but was too lazy, so you were right to revert it since there was no edit summary. Other than the gods in that section, the names aren't Greek, just some fantasy fiction approximation of what Greek names would sound like. If the story has some basis in one of the lesser mythographers, I'll add an appropriate summary, but given the nature of the text as it stood I think it's best not to let it stand, since if it's some post-Jacobian Western European fantasy, which it kinduv smelled like, that much coverage would be undue anyway. davidiad .: 01:00, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
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Hi, just so you know for the future, it is a standard on Wikipedia that headings are written in sentence case, not title case, except where they reference a work, institution, etc. whose name would be written in title case. See WP:MSH. — Smjg ( talk) 21:55, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
On the Cyclopes page it was said that Euripides. Said nothing about Asclepius and the Cyclopes being brought back. Well I explained that it is not in the play. It comes from other writers. So I stated that. The information I put in is fact. So dont delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkSleach ( talk • contribs) 17:26, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
My edit on Hesiod about Zeus defeating the Titans. With Poseidon and Hades. Is fact and I have to make it all about the Cyclopes. You dont own Wikipedia. Dont act like you own all the pages. I put nothing false in. reason was not good enough. I will take this up with Wikipedia. If you keep deleting my edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkSleach ( talk • contribs) 17:42, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
You want to challenge what I said. Then read all my sources on theoi. You asked for it. I am going to give you every source. I read, read what I said slowly. Nothing I put in is false. Zeus returns Asclepius and the Cyclopes from Hades. What I put in about why Zeus returned Asclepius and the Cyclopes. Is what I read. My statement about Hades holding the dead prisoner in the underworld is true. Very few people go back into the world above. Read about Dionysus returning his mother from Hades. Read about Orpheus returning Eurydike. Why failed Hades didnt want to give her up. Also read about Hercules returning Alkestis from Hades. Also read about Hercules freeing Theseus. Read the story of Asclepius and why he died. As far as you deleting what I put in about Hades and Poseidon also defeating the titans with Zeus. That is a fact. You have no right to delete anything that is a fact. Like I said Wikipedia is a free domain. You dont make the rules. Your a vandal. Read what I said slowly. Have fun reading all my sources. If you want to challenge what I put in.
Orphic Hymn 18 to Pluton (trans. Taylor) (Greek hymns C3rd B.C. to 2nd A.D.) : "To Plouton [Haides]. Plouton, magnanimous, whose realms profound are fixed beneath the firm and solid ground, in the Tartarean plains remote from sight, and wrapt for ever in the depths of night. Zeus Khthonios (of the Underworld), thy sacred ear incline, and pleased accept these sacred rites divine. Earth’s keys to thee, illustrious king, belong, its secret gates unlocking, deep and strong. ‘Tis thine abundant annual fruits to bear, for needy mortals are thy constant care. To thee, great king, all sovereign earth assigned, the seat of gods and basis of mankind. Thy throne is fixed in Haides’ dismal plains, distant, unknown to the rest, where darkness reigns; where, destitute of breath, pale spectres dwell, in endless, dire, inexorable hell; and in dread Akheron, whose depths obscure, earth’s stable roots eternally secure. O mighty Daimon, whose decision dread, the future fate determines of the dead, with Demeter’s girl [Persephone] captive, through grassy plains, drawn in a four-yoked car with loosened reins, rapt over the deep, impelled by love, you flew till Eleusinia’s city rose to view: there, in a wondrous cave obscure and deep, the sacred maid secure from search you keep, the cave of Atthis, whose wide gates display an entrance to the kingdoms void of day. Of works unseen and seen thy power alone to be the great dispending source is known. All-ruling, holy God, with glory bright, thee sacred poets and their hymns delight, propitious to thy mystics’ works incline, rejoicing come, for holy rites are thine."
PALACE OF HAIDES "There, in front [at the ends of the earth], stand the echoing halls of the god of the lower-world, strong Hades, and of awful Persephone. A fearful hound guards the house in front ... keeps watch and devours whomsoever he catches going out of the gates of strong Hades and awful Persephone." - Hesiod, Theogony 767 "The shadowy place of the dead and passed the black gates which hold back the souls of the dead, for all their protestations." - Greek Elegaic Theognis, Frag 1.703 "The Stygian city and the cruel court of swarthy Dis [Haides]. Countless broad entrances that city has and portals everywhere open ... There the Umbrae (Shades) wander without flesh or blood or bones; some gather in the central square; some throng the courts of Tyrannus Imus (Hell’s King) [Haides]." - Ovid, Metamorphoses 4.437 "What of him who holds sway over the dark realm? Where sits he, governing his flitting tribes? There is a place in dark recess of Tartarus [i.e. in Haides], which with a heavy pall dense mists enshroud. Hence flow from a single source two streams, unlike: one, a placid river (by this do the gods sear), with silent current bears on the sacred Styx; the other with mighty roar rushes fiercely on, rolling down rocks in its flood, Acheron, that cannot be recrossed. The royal hall of Dis [Haides] stands opposite, girt by a double moat, and the huge house is hid by an o’ershadowing grove. Here in a spacious cavern the tyrant’s doors overhang; this is the road for spirits, this is the kingdom’s gate. A plain lies round about this where sits the god, where with haughty mien his awful majesty assorts the new-arriving souls. Lowering is his brow, yet such as wears the aspect of his brothers and his high race; his countenance is that of Jove, but Jove the thunderer; chief part of that realm’s grimness is its own lord, whose aspect whate’er is dreaded dreads." - Seneca, Hercules Furens 707 "Beneath our pole [the earth] cut off from the things of the upper world, deep down lies the palace of the Tartarean Father [Haides]; never would it share the fate of the toppling sky, even if the mass were sent rolling ... wide-mouthed Chaos lies, so huge that it would swallow all matter, wearied with its own burden, and the falling universe. Here are the twin doors of the Shades below; one [the gate of Haides], by stern law ever open, receives nations and kinds ... by the left gate, how many monstrous creatures stand upon the threshold." - Valerius Flaccus, Argonautica 1.830 "The lord of Erebus [Haides], enthroned in the midst of the fortress of his dolorous realm." - Statius, Thebaid 8.21 "Himself [lord Haides] I behold, all pale upon the throne, with Stygian Eumenides [Erinyes] ministering to his fell deeds about him, and the remorseless chambers and gloomy couch of Stygian Juno [Persephone]." - Statius, Thebaid 4.520
KEYS OF HAIDES "Aiakos, even after death, is honoured in the company of Plouton [Haides], and has charge of the keys of Hades’ realm." - Apollodorus, The Library 3.159 "[Depicted on table made by Kolotes at Olympia] On the other are Plouton [Hades], Dionysos, Persephone and Nymphai ... As to the key (Plouton holds a key) they say that what is called Haides has been locked up by Plouton, and that nobody will return back again there from." - Pausanias, Guide to Greece 5.20.2-3 "Earth’s keys to thee, illustrious king [Haides], belong, its secret gates unlocking, deep and strong." - Orphic Hymn 18 to Pluton
HAIDES ATTENDANTS: ROYAL COURT Haides was enthroned in Erebos surrounded by a court consisting of the three Judges of the Dead, the Erinyes (Chthonian Vengeance Demons), the Moirai (Fates), the Keres (Death-Demons) and Thanatos (Death), as well as the personified underworld Rivers. "The lord of Erebus [Haides], enthroned in the midst of the fortress of his dolorous realm, was demanding of his subjects the misdoings of their lives, pitying nought human but wroth against all the Manes (Shades). Around him stand the Furiae [Erinyes] and various Mortes (Deaths) [Thanatoi or Keres] in order due, and savage Poena (Vengeance) thrusts forth her coils of jangling chains; the Fatae (Fates) [Moirai] bring the Animas (Souls) and with one gesture [literally “thumb” as in the amphitheatre] damn them; too heavy grows the work. Hard by, Minos with his dread brother [Rhadamanthys] in kindly mood counsels a milder justice, and restrains the bloodthirsty king; Cocytus and Phelgethon, swollen with tears and fire, aid in the judgement, and Styx accuses the gods of perjury." - Statius, Thebaid 8.21 "Himself [lord Haides] I behold, all pale upon the throne, with Stygian Eumenides [Erinyes] ministering to his fell deeds about him, and the remorseless chambers and gloomy couch of Stygian Juno [Persephone]. Black Mors [Thanatos god of death] sits upon an eminence, and numbers the silent peoples for their lord; yet the greater part of the troop remains. The Gortynian judge [Minos] shakes them [the ghosts of the dead] in his inexorable urn, demanding the truth with threats, and constrains them to speak out their whole lives’ story and at last confess their extorted gains." - Statius, Thebaid 4.520
HADES & THE HERO ORPHEUS
When Orpheus came to the underworld seeking the return of his dead love Eurydike, Haides and Persephone were moved by his pleas and agreed to let her return.
Pseudo-Apollodorus, Bibliotheca 1. 14 (trans. Aldrich) (Greek mythographer C2nd A.D.) :
"When his [Orpheus'] wife Eurydike died from a snake-bite, Orpheus descended into Haides’ realm with the desire to bring her back up to earth, and persuade Plouton [Hades] to release her. Plouton promised to do this if on the return trip Orpheus would not turn round before reaching his own home. But he disobeyed, and turned to look at his wife, who thereupon went back down again."
Pseudo-Hyginus, Astronomica 2. 7 (trans. Grant) (Roman mythographer C2nd A.D.) :
"Orpheus . . . was passionately devoted to music. It is thought that by his skill he could charm even wild beasts to listen. When, grieving for his wife Eurydice, he descended to the Lower World, he praised the children of the gods in his song."
Ovid, Metamorphoses 10. 8 ff (trans. Melville) (Roman epic C1st B.C. to C1st A.D.) :
"The new-wed bride [Eurydike, wife of Orpheus] . . . fell dying when a serpent struck her heel. And when at last the bard Rhodopeius [Orpheus] had mourned his fill in the wide world above, he dared descend through Taenaria’s dark gate to Styx to make trial of the Umbrae (Shades); and through the thronging wraiths and grave-spent ghosts he came to pale Persephone and him, Dominus Umbrarum (Lord of the Shades) [Haides], who rules the unlovely realm, and as he struck his lyre’s sad chords he said : `Ye deities who rule the world below, whither we mortal creatures all return, if simple truth, direct and genuine, may by your leave be told, I have come down not with intent to see the glooms of Tartara, nor to enchain the triple-snaked necks of Medusaeum [Kerberos], but for my dear wife’s sake, in whom a trodden viper poured his venom and stole her budding years. My heart has sought strength to endure; the attempt I’ll not deny; but love has won, a god whose fame is fair in the world above; but here I doubt, though here too, I surmise; and if that ancient tale of ravishment is true, you too were joined in love. Now by these regions filled with fear, by this huge Chaos, these vast silent realms, reweave, I implore, the fate unwound too fast of my Eurydice. To you are owed ourselves and all creation; a brief while we linger; then we hasten, late or soon to one abode; here on road leads us all; here in the end is home; over humankind your kingdom keeps the longest sovereignty. She too, when ripening years reach their due term, shall own your rule. The favour that I ask is but to enjoy her love; and, if fate will not reprieve her, my resolve is clear not to return: may two deaths give you cheer.’ So to the music of his strings he [Orpheus] sang, and all the bloodless spirits wept to hear; and Tantalus forgot the fleeing water, Ixion’s wheel was tranced; the Belides [Danaides] laid down their urns; the vultures left their feast, and Sisyphus sat rapt upon his stone. Then first by that sad ringing overwhelmed, the Eumenides’ [Erinyes’] cheeks, it’s said, were wet with tears; and the queen [Persephone] and he whose sceptre rules the underworld could not deny the prayer, and called Eurydice. She was among the recent ghosts and, limping from her wound, came slowly forth; and Rhodopeius [Orpheus] took his bride and with her this compact that, till he reach the world above and leave Valles Avernae [Valleys of Hell], he look not back or else the gift would fail. The track climbed upwards, steep and indistinct, through the hushed silence and the murky gloom; and now they neared the edge of the bright world, and, fearing lest she faint, longing to look, he turned his eyes--and straight she slipped away. He stretched his arms to hold her--to be held--and clasped, poor soul, naught but the yielding air. And she, dying again, made no complaint (for what complaint had she save she was loved?) and breathed a faint farewell, and turned again back to the land of spirits whence she came. The double death of his Eurydice stole Orpheus‘ wits away . . . He longed, he begged, in vain to be allowed to cross the stream of Styx a second time. The ferryman [Kharon] repulsed him. Even so for seven days he sat upon the bank, unkempt and fasting, anguish, grief and tears his nourishment, and cursed Erebus’ cruelty."
Seneca, Hercules Furens 569 ff (trans. Miller) (Roman tragedy C1st A.D.) :
"Orpheus had power to bend the ruthless lords of the shades [Haides and Persephone] by song and suppliant prayer, when he sought back his Eurydice. The art which had drawn the trees and birds and rocks, which had stayed the course of rivers, at whose sound the beasts had stopped to listen, soothes the underworld with unaccustomed strains, and rings out clearer in those unhearing realms. Eurydice the Thracian brides bewail; even the gods, whom no tears can move, bewail her; and they [the Erinyes] who with awful brows investigate men’s crimes and sift out ancient wrongs, as they sit in judgment bewail Eurydice. At length death’s lord [Haides] exclaims : `We own defeat; go forth to the upper world, yet by this appointed doom--fare thou as comrade behind thy husband, and thou, look not back upon thy wife until bright day shall have revealed the gods of heaven, and the opening of Spartan Taenarus shall be at hand.' True love hates delay and brooks it not; while he hastes to look upon his prize, ‘tis lost. The realm which could be overcome by song, that realm shall strength have power to overcome."
Statius, Thebaid 8. 21 ff (trans. Mozley) (Roman epic C1st A.D.) :
"Must I [Haides] so oft endure the profanation of Chaos by living strangers? . . . It shames me too, alas! how Tartarus opened a way to the Odyrsian plaint [Orpheus]; with my own eyes I saw the Eumenides [Erinyes] shed base tears at those persuasive strains, and the Sisters [the Moirai or Fates] repeat their allotted task; me too--, but the violence of my cruel law was stronger."
II) HERAKLES & ALKESTIS Herakles was sometimes described as battling Haides for the life of Queen Alkestis, who had agreed to die in place of her husband Admetos. Pseudo-Apollodorus, Bibliotheca 1. 106 (trans. Aldrich) (Greek mythographer C2nd A.D.) : "[Apollon] obtained from the Moirai (Fates) a privilege for [King] Admetos, whereby, when it was time for him to die, he would be released from death if someone should volunteer to die in his place. When his day to die came . . . [his wife] Alkestis died for him. Kore [Persephone], however sent her back, or, according to some, Herakles battled Haides and brought her back up to Admetos."
HADES WRATH : PIRITHOUS & THESEUS The hero Peirithoos sought to abduct Persephone, the bride of Haides. As punishment the god trapped him on a stone chair and eternal torment. Theseus, who accompanied him on the expedition, was freed at the request of Herakles. Pseudo-Apollodorus, Bibliotheca E1. 23 - 24 (trans. Aldrich) (Greek mythographer C2nd A.D.) : "Theseus and Peirithoos agreed with each other to marry daughters of Zeus, so Theseus with the other’s help kidnapped twelve-year-old Helene from Sparta, and went down to Haides’ realm to court Persephone for Peirithoos . . . Theseus, arriving in Haides’ realm with Peirithoos, was thoroughly deceived, for Haides on the pretense of hospitality had them sit first upon the throne of Lethe (Forgetfulness). Their bodies grew onto it, and were held down by the serpent’s coils. Now Peirithous remained fast there for all time, but Herakles led Theseus back up." Pseudo-Apollodorus, Bibliotheca 2. 124 (trans. Aldrich) (Greek mythographer C2nd A.D.) : "As he [Herakles] approached the gates of Haides’ realm [in his quest to fetch Kerberos], he came across Theseus along with Peirithoos, who had courted Persephone with matrimonial intentions and for this reason was held fast as was Theseus. When they saw Herakles they stretched forth their hands as if to rise up with the help of his strength. He did in fact pull Theseus up by the hand, but when he wanted to raise Peirithoos, the earth shook and he let go." Diodorus Siculus, Library of History 4. 63. 4 (trans. Oldfather) (Greek historian C1st B.C.) : "Peirithoos [after helping Theseus abduct Helene] now decided to seek the hand of Persephone in marriage, and when he asked Theseus to make the journey with him Theseus at first endeavoured to dissuade him and to turn him away from such a deed as being impious; but since Peirithoos firmly insisted upon it Theseus was bound by the oaths to join with him in the deed. And when they had at last made their way below to the regions of Haides, it came to pass that because of the impiety of their act they were both put in chains, and although Theseus was later let go by reason of the favour with which Herakles regarded him, Peirithoos because of the impiety remained in Haides, enduring everlasting punishment; but some writers of myths say that both of them never returned." Diodorus Siculus, Library of History 4. 26. 1 : "Herakles then, according to the myths which have come down to us, descended into the realm of Haides, and being welcomed like a brother by Persephone brought Theseus and Peirithoos back to the upper world after freeing them from their bonds. This he accomplished by the favour of Persephone, and receiving the dog Kerberos in chains he carried him away to the amazement of all and exhibited him to men." Plutarch, Life of Theseus 31.2 & 35. 1 (trans. Perrin) (Greek historian C1st to C2nd A.D.) : "[Theseus] to return the service of Peirithoos, [who helped him abduct Helene] journeyed with him to Epiros, in quest of the daughter of Aidoneus the king of the Molossians. This man called his wife Phersephone, his daughter Kora, and his dog Kerberos, with which beast he ordered that all suitors of his daughter should fight, promising her to him that should overcome it. However, when he learned that Peirithoos and his friend were come not to woo, but to steal away his daughter, he seized them both. Peirithoos he put out of the way at once by means of the dog, but Theseus he kept in close confinement . . . Now while Herakles was the guest of Aidoneus the Molossian, the king incidentally spoke of the adventure of Theseus and Peirithoos, telling what they had come there to do, and what they had suffered when they were found out. Herakles was greatly distressed by the inglorious death of the one, and by the impending death of the other. As for Peirithoos, he thought it useless to complain, but he begged for the release of Theseus, and demanded that this favour be granted him. Aidoneus yielded to his prayers, Theseus was set free, and returned to Athens, where his friends were not yet altogether overwhelmed." Aelian, Historical Miscellany 4. 5 (trans. Wilson) (Greek rhetorician C2nd to 3rd A.D.) : "Benefits were remembered, and thanks for them given, by Theseus to Herakles. Aïdoneus king of the Molossians put Theseus in chains when he came with Pirithous to kidnap the king’s wife [i.e. Persephone]. Theseus did not want to marry the woman himself but did this as a favour to Pirithous. Herakles came to the country of the Molossians and rescued Theseus, in return for which the latter set up an altar to him." Pseudo-Hyginus, Fabulae 79 (trans. Grant) (Roman mythographer C2nd A.D.) : "When Jove [Zeus] saw that they [Theseus & Peirithous] had such audacity [kidnapping Helene] as to expose themselves to danger, he bade them in a dream both go and ask Pluto on Pirithous’ part for Proserpina [Persephone] in marriage. When they had descended to the Land of the Dead through the peninsula Taenarus, and had informed Pluto [Haides] why they had come, they were stretched out and tortured for a long time by the Furies. When Hercules came to lead out the three-headed dog, they begged his promise of protection. He obtained the favor from Pluto, and brought them out unharmed." Ovid, Heroides 2. 67 ff (trans. Showerman) (Roman poetry C1st B.C. to C1st A.D.) : "With record of his [Theseus'] deeds. When men shall have read of . . . the knocking at the gloomy palace of the darksome god." Seneca, Phaedra 93 ff (trans. Miller) (Roman tragedy C1st A.D.) : "Through the deep shades of the pool which none recrosses is he [Theseus] faring, this brave recruit of a madcap suitor [Peirithoos], that from the very throne of the infernal king [Haides] he may rob and bear away his wife [Persephone]. He hurries on, a partner in mad folly; him nor fear nor shame held back. And there in the depths of Acherontis [i.e. the underworld] he seeks adultery and an unlawful bed." Seneca, Phaedra 147 ff : "Suppose that Theseus is indeed held fast [in the underworld], hidden away in Lethean depths, and must suffer Stygia [i.e. the underworld] eternally." Seneca, Phaedra 222 ff : "Trust not in Dis [Haides]. Though he bar his realm, and though the Stygian dog [Kerberos] keep guard o’er the grim doors, Theseus alone finds out forbidden ways." Seneca, Phaedra 625 ff : "The overlord of the fast-holding realm and of the silent Styx has made no way to the upper world once quitted; and will he let the robber [Theseus] of his couch go back? Unless, perchance, even Pluton sits smiling upon love!" Seneca, Phaedra 951 : "[Theseus was] in depths of Tartarus, in presence of dread Dis [Haides], and imminent menace of hell’s lord." Seneca, Phaedra 1149 ff : "Theseus looks on sky and upper world and has escaped from the pools of Stygia, chaste one, thou owest naught to thine uncle, the all-devouring; unchanged the tale remains for the infernal king [i.e. he keeps his bride]." Seneca, Phaedra 1217 ff : "[Theseus returned from the underworld laments his unhappy lot :] `Alcides, give back his boon to Dis [Haides]; give me up again to the ghosts whom I escaped. Impiously, I make vain prayers for the death I left behind.; " Statius, Thebaid 8. 21 (trans. Mozley) (Roman epic C1st A.D.) : "Must I [Haides] so oft endure the profanation of Chaos by living strangers? The rash ardour of Pirithous provoked me, and Theseus, sworn comrade of his daring friend [when the pair attempted to abduct Persephone]."
HADES WRATH : ASCLEPIUS Diodorus Siculus, Library of History 4. 71. 3 (trans. Oldfather) (Greek historian C1st B.C.) : "It was believed that he [Asklepios] had brought back to life many who had died. Consequently, the myth goes on to say, Haides brought accusation against Asklepios, charging him before Zeus of acting to the detriment of his own province, for, he said, the number of the dead was steadily diminishing, now that men were being healed by Asklepios. So Zeus, in indignation, slew Asklepios with his thunderbolt." Aesop, Fables 133 (from Chambry & Babrius, Fabulae Aesopeae 75) (trans. Gibbs) (Greek fable C6th B.C.) : "[This fable by Aesop contains an allusion to the story of Asklepios :] There was once a doctor who knew nothing about medicine. One of his patients was feeling quite weak, but everyone insisted, 'Don't give up, you will get well; your illness is the sort that lasts for a while, but then you will feel better.' The doctor, however, marched in and declared : `I'm not going to play games with you or tell you lies: you need to take care of all your affairs, because you are going to die; you are not going to last more than another day.' Having said this, the doctor did not even bother to come back again. After a while the patient recovered from his illness and was venturing out of doors, although he was not yet fully steady on his feet. When the doctor ran into the patient, he greeted him, and asked how all the people down in Haides were doing. The patient said, `They are taking it easy, drinking the water of Lethe. But Persephone and the mighty god Plouton [Haides] were just now threatening terrible things against all the doctors, since they keep the sick people from dying. Every single doctor was denounced, and they were ready to put you at the top of the list. This scared me, so I immediately stepped forward and grasped their royal sceptres as I solemnly swore that this was simply a ridiculous accusation, since you are not really a doctor at all."
Homer, Iliad and Odyssey (Greek epic C8th B.C.) : References to Haides in the Iliad and Odyssey, which mostly describe passage to the underworld, can be found on the Realm of Haides I page. Hesiod, Theogony 453 ff (trans. Evelyn-White) (Greek epic C8th or 7th B.C.) : "Haides, pitiless in heart, who dwells under the earth." Theognis, Fragment 1. 244 ff (trans. Gerber, Vol. Greek Elegiac) (Greek elegy C6th B.C.) : "When you go to Aides’ house of wailing, down in the dark earth’s depths." Anacreon, Frag 405 (from Scholiast on Hesiod) (trans. Campbell, Vol. Greek Lyric II) (C6th B.C.) : "Theos Khthonios [i.e. Haides] may mean god of the lower world or sullen god." Aeschylus, Agamemnon 1372 ff (trans. Weir Smyth) (Greek tragedy C5th B.C.) : "Klytaimestra [describes how she murdered Agamemnon] : Twice I struck him, and with two groans his limbs relaxed. Once he had fallen, I dealt him yet a third stroke to grace my prayer to the infernal (khthonios) Zeus, the savior of the dead (nekrôn sôtêr). Fallen thus, he gasped away his life." Aeschylus, Eumenides 273 ff : "For Haides is mighty in holding mortals to account under the earth, and he observes all things and within his mind inscribes them." Aeschylus, Libation Bearers 355 ff : "A ruler of august majesty [King Agamemnon], distinguished even beneath the earth, and minister of the mightiest, the deities who rule in the nether world [Haides and Persephone]. For in your life you were a king of those who have the power to assign the portion of death [i.e. a king has the power of death over his subjects], and who wield the staff all mortals obey." Aeschylus, Prometheus Bound 153 ff : "Haides, the entertainer of the dead (nekrodegmôn)." Aeschylus, Suppliant Women 227 ff : "And how can man be pure who would seize from an unwilling father an unwilling bride? For such an act, not even in Haides, after death, shall he escape arraignment for outrage. There also among the dead, so men tell, another Zeus [Haides] holds a last judgment upon misdeeds. Take heed and reply in this manner, that victory may attend your cause." Aeschylus, Doubtul Fragment 243 (from Hesychius, Lexicon s.v. empedês) : "May Haides, whose portion is the earth, seize and fetter thee!" Aesop, Fables 133 (Chambry 133 & Babrius, Fabulae Aesopeae 75) (trans. Gibbs) (Greek fable C6th B.C.) : "[A fable told in jest :] Persephone and the mighty god Plouton [Haides] were just now threatening terrible things against all the doctors, since they keep the sick people from dying." Plato, Cratylus 400d & 402d - 404b (trans. Fowler) (Greek philosopher C4th B.C.) : "[Plato constructs philosophical etymologies for the names of the gods :] Sokrates : Let us inquire what thought men had in giving them [the gods] their names . . . The first men who gave names [to the gods] were no ordinary persons, but high thinkers and great talkers . . . Let us, then, speak of his [Zeus] brothers, Poseidon and Plouton, including also the other name of the latter . . . Plouton, he was so named as the giver of wealth (ploutos), because wealth comes up from below out of the earth. And Haides--I fancy most people think that this is a name of the Invisible (aeidês), so they are afraid and call him Plouton. I think people have many false notions about the power of this god, and are unduly afraid of him. They are afraid because when we are once dead we remain in his realm for ever, and they are also terrified because the soul goes to him without the covering of the body. But I think all these facts, and the office and the name of the god, point in the same direction . . . Please answer this question : Which is the stronger bond upon any living being to keep him in any one place, desire, or compulsion? Hermogenes : Desire, Socrates, is much stronger. Sokrates : Then do you not believe there would be many fugitives from Haides, if he did not bind with the strongest bond those who go to him there? . . . Apparently, then, if he binds them with the strongest bond, he binds them by some kind of desire, not by compulsion . . . There are many desires, are there not? . . . Then he binds with the desire which is the strongest of all, if he is to restrain them with the strongest bond ... And is there any desire stronger than the thought of being made a better man by association with some one? . . . Then, Hermogenes, we must believe that this is the reason why no one has been willing to come away from that other world, not even the Seirenes, but they and all others have been overcome by his enchantments, so beautiful, as it appears, are the words which Haides has the power to speak; and from this point of view this god is a perfect sophist and a great benefactor of those in his realm, he who also bestows such great blessings upon us who are on earth; such abundance surrounds him there below, and for this reason he is called Plouton. Then, too, he refuses to consort with men while they have bodies, but only accepts their society when the soul is pure of all the evils and desires of the body. Do you not think this shows him to be a philosopher and to understand perfectly that under these conditions he could restrain them by binding them with the desire of virtue, but that so long as they are infected with the unrest and madness of the body, not even his father Kronos could hold them to himself, though he bound them with his famous chains? . . . And the name 'Haides' is not in the least derived from the invisible (aeides), but far more probably from knowing (eidenai) all noble things, and for that reason he was called Haides by the lawgiver." Callimachus, Epigrams 2 (trans. Mair) (Greek poet C3rd B.C.) : "Haides, snatcher of all things, shall lay his hand [upon you]." Callimachus, Fragment Frag 478 (from Etymologicum Florentine s.v. Klymenos) (trans. Trypanis) (Greek poet C3rd B.C.) : "[Persephone] the spouse of Klymenos [Haides], host of many (polyzeinos)." Pausanias, Description of Greece 5. 20. 2 (trans. Jones) (Greek travelogue C2nd A.D.) : "[Amongst the scenes depicted on a table by Kolotes dedicated in the temple of Hera at Olympia :] Plouton [Haides] holds a key, they say that what is called Haides has been locked up by Plouton, and that nobody will return back again there from."
Ovid, Metamorphoses 2. 260 ff (trans. Melville) (Roman epic C1st B.C. to C1st A.D.) : "Earth everywhere splits deep [when Phaethon scorches the earth] and light strikes down into Tartara (the Underworld) and fills with fear Rex Infernus (Hell’s monarch) [Haides] and his consort [Persephone]." Ovid, Metamorphoses 5. 354 ff : "The land [of Sicily] quakes [as Typhoeus the Giant buried beneath it tries to escape] and even the king who rules the land of silence (Rex Silentum) [Haides] shudders lest the ground in gaping seams should open and the day stream down and terrify the trembling Umpire (Shades). The tyrant (Tyrannus) had left his dark domains to and fro, drawn in his chariot and sable steeds, inspected the foundations of the isle." Seneca, Hercules Furens 603 ff (trans. Miller) (Roman tragedy C1st A.D.) : "I [Herakles] have seen places unapproached by any . . . those gloomy spaces which the baser pole hath yielded to infernal Jove [Haides]; and if the regions of the third estate pleased me, I might have reigned." Seneca, Hercules Furens 658 ff : "All the world’s holy powers, and thou [Haides] who rulest the all-holding realm, and thou [Persephone] whom, stolen from Enna, thy mother [Demeter] sought in vain, may it be right, I pray, boldly to speak of powers hidden away and buried beneath the earth." Seneca, Hercules Furens 707 ff : "What of him who holds sway over the dark realm? Where sits he, governing his flitting tribes? . . . A plain lies round about this where sits the god [Haides], where with haughty mien his awful majesty assorts the new-arriving souls. Lowering is his brow, yet such as wears the aspect of his brothers and his high race; his countenance is that of Jove, but Jove the thunderer; chief part of that realm’s grimness is its own lord, whose aspect whate’er is dreaded dreads." Seneca, Phaedra 625 ff : "The overlord [Haides] of the fast-holding realm and of the silent Styx has made no way to the upper world once quitted." Seneca, Troades 402 ff : "Taenarus and the cruel tyrant’s [Haides] kingdom and Cerberus, guarding the portal of no easy passage." Statius, Thebaid 4. 520 ff (trans. Mozley) (Roman epic C1st A.D.) : "Himself [lord Haides] I behold, all pale upon the throne, with Stygian Eumenides [Erinyes] ministering to his fell deeds about him, and the remorseless chambers and gloomy couch of Stygian Juno [Persephone]. Black Mors [Thanatos, death] sits upon an eminence, and numbers the silent peoples for their lord; yet the greater part of the troop remains. The Gortynian judge [Minos] shakes them [the ghosts of the dead] in his inexorable urn, demanding the truth with threats, and constrains them to speak out their whole lives’ story and at last confess their extorted gains." Statius, Thebaid 8. 21 ff (trans. Mozley) (Roman epic C1st A.D.) : "The lord of Erebus [Haides], enthroned in the midst of the fortress of his dolorous realm, was demanding of his subjects the misdoings of their lives, pitying nought human but wroth against all the Manes (Shades). Around him stand the Furiae [Erinyes, furies] and various Mortes [Thanatoi, deaths] in order due, and savage Poena (Vengeance) thrusts forth her coils of jangling chains; the Fatae [Moirai, fates] bring the Animas (Souls) and with one gesture [literally “thumb” as in the amphitheatre] damn them; too heavy grows the work. Hard by, Minos with his dread brother [Rhadamanthys] in kindly mood counsels a milder justice, and restrains the bloodthirsty king; Cocytus and Phelgethon, swollen with tears and fire, aid in the judgement, and Styx accuses the gods of perjury. But he [Haides], when the frame of the world above was loosened [i.e. when the earth opened up and swallowed the hero Amphiaraus] and filled him with unwonted fears, quaked at the appearing stars, and thus did he speak, offended by the gladsome light: ‘What ruin of the upper world hath thrust the hateful light of day into Avernus? Who hath burst our gloom and told the silent folk of life? Whence comes this threat? Which of my brothers makes war on me? Well, I will meet him: confusion whelm all natural bounds? For whom would that please more? The third hazard hurled me defeated from the mighty heaven, and I guard the world of guilt; nor is even that mine, but lo! the dread stars search it from end to end, and gaze upon me. Does the proud ruler of Olympus spy out my strength? Mine is the prison-house, now broken, of the Gigantes, and of the Titanes, eager to force their way to the world above, and his own unhappy sire [Kronos] : why thus cruelly doth he forbid me to enjoy my mournful leisure and this untranquil peace, and to hate the light I lost? I will open all my kingdoms, if such by my pleasure, and veil Hyperion [Helios the sun] with a Stygian sky. I will not send the Arcadian [Hermes] up to the gods--why doth he come and go on errands between realm and realm?--and I will keep both the sons of Tyndareus [i.e. the Dioskouroi who divided their days equally between Olympos and the Underworld]. And why do I break Ixion on the greedy whirling of the wheel? Why do the waters not wait for Tantalus? Must I so oft endure the profanation of Chaos by living strangers? The rash ardour of Pirithous provoked me, and Theseus, sworn comrade of his daring friend [the pair attempted to abduct Persephone], and fierce Alcides [Herakles], when the iron threshold of Cerberus’ gate fell silent, its guardian removed. It shames me too, alas! how Tartarus opened a way to the Odyrsian plaint [Orpheus]; with my own eyes I saw the Eumenides [Erinyes] shed base tears at those persuasive strains, and the Sisters [Moirai, fates] repeat their allotted task; me too -, but the violence of my cruel law was stronger. Yet I have scarce ventured one stolen journey, nor was that to the stars on high, when I carried of my bride [Persephone] from the Sicilian mead: unlawfully, so they say, and forthwith comes an unjust decree from Jove [Zeus], and her mother [Demeter] cheats me of half a year. But why do I tell all this: Go, Tisiphone, avenge the abode of Tartarus! if ever thou hast wrought monsters fierce and strange, bring forth some ghastly horror, huge and unwonted, such as the sky hath never yet beheld, such as I may marvel at and thy Sisters [the Moirai] envy. Ay, and the brothers [Polyneikes and Eteokles] rush to slay each other in exultant combat; let there be one [Tydeus] who in hideous, bestial savagery shall gnaw his foeman’s head, and one [king Kreon] who shall bar the dead from the funeral fire and pollute the air with naked corpses; let the fierce Thunderer [Zeus] feast his eyes on that! Moreover, lest their fury harm my realms alone, seek one who shall make war against he gods [Kapaneus] and with smoking shield repel the fiery brand and Jove’s [Zeus’] own wrath. I will have all men fear to disturb black Tartarus no less than to set Pelion on top of leafy Ossa.’ He finished, and long since was the gloomy palace quaking at his words, and his own land and that which presses on it from above were rocking: no more mightily does Jupiter [Zeus] sway the heaven with his nod, and bow the starry poles. But what shall be thy [Amphiaraus’] doom,’ he cries, `who rushest headlong through the empty realm on a path forbidden?’ As he threatens, the other draws nigh, on foot now and shadowy to view, his armour growing faint, yet in his lifeless face abides the dignity of augurship inviolate, and on his brow remains the fillet dim to behold, and in his hand is a branch of dying olive. `If it be lawful and right for holy Manes (Shades) to make utterence here, O thou to all men the great Finisher, but to me, who once knew causes and beginnings, Creator also! remit, I pray, thy threatenings and thy fevered heart, nor deem worthy of thy wrath one who is but a man and fears thy laws; ‘tis for no Herculean plunder--such wars are not for me--, nor for a forbidden bride--believe these emblems--that I dare to enter Lethe: let not Cerberus flee into his cave, nor Proserpine [Persephone] shudder at my chariot. I, once the best beloved of augurs at Apollo’s shrines, call empty Chaos to bear witness--for what power to receive an oath has Apollo here?--for no crime do I suffer this unwonted fate, nor have I deserved to be thus torn from the kindly light of day; the urn of the Dictean judge doth know it, and Minos can discern the truth. Sold by the treachery of my wife [Eriphyle] for wicked gold, I joined the Argive host, not unwitting - hence this crowd of new-slain ghosts thou seest, and the victims also of this right hand; in a sudden convulsion of the earth--my mind still shrinks in horror--thy darkness swallowed me up from the midst of thousands . . . content am I to receive my Shade [Amphiaraus was not yet dead but dropped alive into Haides], nor remember my tripods any more. For what avails thee the use of prescient augury, when the Parcae [Moirai, fates] spin thy commands? Nay, be thou softened, and prove more merciful than the gods. If ever my accursed wife come hither, reserve for her thy deadly torments : she is more worthy of thy wrath, O righteous lord!’ He [Haides] accepts his prayer, and is indignant that he yields." Statius, Thebaid 11. 410 ff : "Thrice from the regions of doom thundered their [the Erinyes'] impatient monarch [Haides], and shook the depths of the earth [at the commencement of the War of Thebes] . . . The king of Tartarus [Haides] himself orders the gates to be set open [i.e. to receive the legions of the slain]." Statius, Thebaid 11. 444 ff : "The Warden of the Larvae (Shades) [lord Haides] and the third heir of the world, after the lot’s unkind apportioning, leapt down from his chariot and grew pale, for he was come to Tartarus and heaven was lost for ever." Statius, Silvae 3. 3. 21 (trans. Mozley) (Roman poetry C1st A.D.) : "Let him [the shade of a father] come, and approach the awful throne of the silent monarch [Haides] and pay his last due of gratitude and anxiously request for his son a long life." Valerius Flaccus, Argonautica 3. 380 ff (trans. Mozley) (Roman epic C1st A.D.) : "Celaeneus [the Black, Haides], sitting sable-shrouded and sword in hand, cleanses the innocent from their error." Apuleius, The Golden Ass 7. 24 ff (trans. Walsh) (Roman novel C2nd A.D.) : "I was pulled out of the hands of Orcus [Haides] [that is, saved from death]." Tryphiodorus, The Taking of Ilias 568 ff (trans. Mair) (Greek poet C5th A.D.) : "And Haides shuddered [at the slaughter of the Sack of Troy] and looked forth from his seat under earth, afraid lest in the great anger of Zeus Hermes, conductor of souls, should bring down all the race of men." Nonnus, Dionysiaca 36. 97 ff (trans. Rouse) (Greek epic C5th A.D.) : "Then Zeus Khthonios (Zeus of the Underworld) [Haides] rumbled hearing the noise of the heavenly fray above [as Poseidon and Apollon entered battle when the gods took sides in the war of Dionysos and his army against the Indians]; he feared that the Earthshaker [Poseidon], beating and lashing the solid ground with the earthquake-shock of his waves, might lever out of gear the whole universe with his trident, might move the foundations of the abysm below and show the forbidden sight of earth’s bottom, might burst all the veins of the subterranean channels and pour his water away into the pit of Tartaros, to flood the mouldering gates of the lower world. So great was the din of the gods in conflict, and the trumpets of the underworld added their noise." Nonnus, Dionysiaca 36. 200 ff : "[During the War of Dionysos against the Indians :] Lethe was choked with that great multitude of corpses brought low and scattered on every side. Aides heaved up his bar in the darkness, and opened his gates wider for the common carnage; as they descended into the pit the banks of Kharon’s river echoed the rumblings of Tartaros." Nonnus, Dionysiaca 12. 213 ff : "[Dionysos transforms his dead friend Ampelos into a grape vine at death :] `For you Haides himself has become merciful, for you Persephone herself has changed her hard temper, and saved you alive in death for brother Bakkhos. You did not die . . . You are still alive, my boy, even if you died." Stesichorus, Fragment 232 (trans. Campbell, Vol. Greek Lyric III) (C7th to 6th B.C.) : "Mourning and wailing are the portion of Hades." Aeschylus, Seven Against Thebes 864 ff (trans. Weir Smyth) (Greek tragedy C5th B.C.) : "Cry out the awful hymn of the Erinys [i.e. the shrieks and cries of the grieving women] and thereafter sing the hated victory song of Aides [i.e. the funeral dirge]." Plato, Republic 427b (trans. Shorey) (Greek philosopher C4th B.C.) : “The burial of the dead and the services we must render to the dwellers in the world beyond to keep them gracious.” [I.e. the gods of the dead and the ghosts of men.] Diodorus Siculus, Library of History 5. 69. 5 (trans. Oldfather) (Greek historian C1st B.C.) : "Of Haides it is said that he laid down the rules which are concerned with burials and funerals and the honours which are paid to the dead, no concern having been given to the dead before this time; and this is why tradition tells us that Haides is lord of the dead, since there were assigned to him in ancient times the first offices in such matters and the concern for them." Statius, Thebaid 12. 557 ff (trans. Mozley) (Roman epic C1st A.D.) : "The father of the Eumenides [i.e. Haides, father of the Erinyes] and the ferryman of Lethe’s stream [Kharon] debars them [i.e. the souls of the unburied] from the Stygian gate and keeps them hovering doubtfully between the worlds of heaven and hell (Erebus)."
I) NECROMANCY OF ODYSSEUS Odysseus was instructed in the art of necromancy by the witch Kirke so that he might commune with the prophetic ghost of the seer Teiresias. According to the author of the Odyssey the rites were performed on the borders of the Underworld. Later authors, however, say that Odysseus visited the Nekromanteion (Oracle of the Dead) at Cumae in southern Italy. Homer, Odyssey 10. 495 ff (trans. Shewring) (Greek epic C8th B.C.) : "[Kirke instructs Odysseus in necromancy, the summoning of ghosts :] `You must visit the house of dread Persephone and of Haides, and there seek counsel from the spirit of Theban Teiresias. The blind seer’s thought is wakeful still, for to him alone, even after death, Persephone has accorded wisdom; the other dead are but flitting shadows . . . And when you have sailed through the river Okeanos, you will see before you a marrow strand and he groves that are Persephone’s--the tall black poplars, the willows with their self-wasted fruit; then beach the vessel beside deep-eddying Okeanos and pass on foot to the dank domains of Haides. At the entrance there, the stream of Akheron is joined by the waters of Pyriphlegethon and a branch of Styx, Kokytos, and there is a rock where the two loud-roaring rivers meet. Then, lord Odysseus, you must do as I enjoin you; go forward, and dig a trench a cubit long and a cubit broad; go round this trench, pouring libation for all the dead, first with milk and honey, then with sweet wine, then with water; and sprinkle white barley-meal above. Then with earnest prayers to the strengthless presences of the dead you must promise that when you have come to Ithaka you will sacrifice in your palace a calfless heifer, the best you have, and will load a pyre with precious things; and that for Teiresias and no other you will slay, apart, a ram that is black all over, the choicest in all the flocks of Ithaka. When with these prayers you have made appeal to the noble nations of the dead, then you must sacrifice a ram and a black ewe; bend the victims' heads down towards Erebos, but turn your own head away and look towards the waters of the river. At this, the souls of the dead and gone will come flocking there. With commanding voice you must call your cmorades to flay and burn the two sheep that now lie before them, killed by your own ruthless blade, and over them to pray to the gods, to resistless Haides and dread Persephone. As for yourself, draw the keen sword from beside your thight; then, sitting down, hold back the strengthles presences of the dead from drawing nearer to the blood until you have questioned Teiresias. Then, King Odysseus, the seer will come to you very quickly, to prophesy the path before you, the long stages of your travel, and how you will reach home at last over the teeming sea."
Homer, Odyssey 11. 10 ff : "[Odysseus travels to the Underworld to consult the ghost of the seer Teiresias :] The vessel came to the bounds of eddying Okeanos, where lie the land and city of the Kimmeroi, covered with mist and cloud. never does the resplendent sun look on this people with his beams . . . dismal gloom overhangs these wretches always. Arriving there, we beached the vessel, took out the sheep and then walked onwards beside the stream of Okeanos until we came to the place that Kirke had told us of. There, Perimedes and Eurylokhos seized the victims and held them fast, while I myself drew the keen sword from besie my thigh and cut a trench a cubit long and a cubit broad. Round it I poured a libation for all the dead, first with milk and honey, then with sweet wine, then with water; over this I sprinkled white barley-meal. Then with earnest prayers to the strengthless presences of the dead I promised that when I came to Ithaka I would sacrifice in my palace a calfless heifer, the best I had, and would load a pyre with precious things; and that for Teiresias and no other I would slay, apart, a ram that was black all over, the choicest in all the flocks of Ithaka. When with my prayers and invocations I had called on the peoples of the dead, I seized the victims and cut their throats over the trench. The dark blood flowed, and the souls od the dead and gone came flocking upwards from Erebos--brides and unmarried youths, old men who had suffered much, tender girls with the heart's distress still keen, troops of warriors wounded with brazen-pointed spears, men slain in battle with blood-stained armour still upon them. With unearthly cries, from every quarter, they came crowding about the trench until pale terror began to master me. Then with urgent voice I called my comrades to flay and burn the two sheep that now lay before them, killed by my own ruthless blade, and over them to pray to the gods, to resistless Haides and dread Persephone. As for myself, I drew the keen sword from beside my thigh, seated myself and held back the strengthless preseences of the dead from drawing nearer to the blood before I had questioned Teiresias." Homer, Odyssey 11. 210 & 11. 386 : "[Odysseus performs the necromantic rites and is approached by the ghost of his mother. He questions her :] `Is this some wraith that august Persephone has sent me to increase my sorrowing and my tears?’ So I spoke, and the queen my mother answered me : `Alas, my child, ill-fated beyond all other mortals, this is no mockery of Persephone’s; it is all men’s fortune when they die. The sinews no longer hold flesh and bones together; these are all prey to the resistless power of fire when once the life has left the white bones; the soul takes wing as a dream takes wing, and thereafter hovers to and fro . . .' Meanwhile there appeared a whole company of women [before Odysseus], sent by Persephone the august; and these were the wives or the daughters of great men. They gathered flocking round the dark blood [of the sacrificed black sheep] all together. So they came forward one after another, and each in turn told me her lineage, for I left none of them unquestioned . . . Then, when chaste Persephone had dispersed this way and that the souls of those many women, there came before me in bitter sorrow the soul of Agamemon . . . Then there came before me the soulds of Akhilleus and Patroklos, of noble Antilokhos and of Aias . . . The soul of the fleet-foot son of Peleus went pacing forth over the field of asphodel . . . Other souls of the dead and gone still stood there sorrowfully, each of them questioning me on whatever touched them the most . . . Indeed I might then have seen [more of] those men of past days I wished to see, but before I could, there came before me with hideous clamour the thronging multitudes of the dead, and ashly terror seized hold of me. I feared that august Persephone might send against me from Haides’ house the Gorgoneion (the gorgon's head) of some grisly monster. I made for my ship at once, telling my comrades to step aboard and to loose the cables." Pseudo-Apollodorus, Bibliotheca E7. 7 & 34 (trans. Aldrich) (Greek mythographer C2nd A.D.) : "He [Odysseus] sailed Okeanos, and offered sacrifices to the souls, and by Kirke's advice consulted the soothsayer Tiresias, and beheld the souls both of heroes and of heroines. He also looked on his mother Antikleia and Elpenor, who had died of a fall in the house of Kirke . . . [Upon returning to Ithaka, Odysseus slew the suitors and then :] After sacrificing to Haides, and Persephone, and Teiresias, he journeyed on foot through Epiros, and came to the Thesprotians, and having offered sacrifice according to the directions of the soothsayer Teiresias, he propitiated Poseidon." Lycophron, Alexandra 697 ff (trans. Mair) (Greek poet C3rd B.C.) : "The grove of Obrimo [i.e. the grove of Persephone near Avernos in Italia], Kore (Maiden) who dwells beneath the earth, and Pyriphleges (the Fiery Stream), where the difficult Polydegmon hill [in Italy] stretches its head to the sky . . . and the lake Aornos [i.e. lake Avernus near Cumae in Italy] rounded with a noose and the waters of Kokytos wild and dark, stream of black Styx . . . he [Odysseus] shall offer up a gift to Daeira [Persephone] and her consort, fastening his helmet to the head of a pillar."
II) NECROMANCY OF TEIRESIAS In Statius' Thebaid the seer Teiresias performs necromancy to commune with the dead when King Oidipous would learn the reason for the plague inflicting Thebes. Seneca, Oedipus 395 ff (trans. Miller) (Roman tragedy C1st A.D.) : "[The seer Teiresias declares that he will perform necromancy :] `We must unseal the earth, must implore the implacable divinity of Dis [Haides], must draw forth hither the people [ghosts] of infernal Styx.'" Statius, Thebaid 4. 410 ff (trans. Mozley) (Roman epic C1st A.D.) : "He [the seer Teiresias] prepares the rites of Lethe [i.e. nekromankia], and makes ready beforehand to evoke the monarch [Haides] sunk below the confines of [the river] Ismenos where it mingles with the deep, and makes purgation all around with the torn entrails of sheep and the strong smell of sulphur, and with fresh herbs and the long mutterings of prayer . . . [Teiresias] bids the dark-fleeced sheep and black oxen be set before him . . . Then he entwined their fierce horns with wreaths of dusky hue, handling them himself, and first at the edge of that well-known wood [i.e. one sacred to the goddess Hekate] he nine times spills the lavish draughts of Bacchus into a hollowed trench, and gifts of vernal milk and Attic rain [i.e. honey] and propitiatory blood to the Shades below; so much is poured out as the dry earth will drink. Then they roll tree trunks thither, and the sad priest bids there be three altar-fires for Hecate and three for the maidens born of cursed Acheron [the Erinyes]; for thee, lord of Avernus [Haides], a heap of pinewood though sunk into the ground yet towers high into the air; next to this an altar of lesser bulk is raised to Ceres of the Underworld [Persephone]; in front and on every side the cypress of lamentation intertwines them. And now, their lofty heads marked with the sword and the pure sprinkled meal, the cattle fell under the stroke; then the virgin Manto [daughter of Teiresias], catching the blood in bowls, makes first libation, and moving thrice round all the pyres, as her holy sire commands, offers the half-dead tissues and yet living entrails, nor delays to set the devouring fire to the dark foliage. And when Tiresias heard the branches crackling in the flames and the grim piles roaring--for the burning heat surges before his face, and the fiery vapour fills the hollows of his eyes--he exclaimed, and the pyres trembled, and the flames cowered at his voice : `Abodes of Tartarus and awful realm of insatiable Mors [Thanatos, death], and thou, most cruel of the brothers [Haides], to whom the Shades are given to serve thee, and the eternal punishments of the damned obey thee, and the palace of the underworld, throw open in answer to my knowing the silent places and empty void of stern Persephone, and send forth the multitude that lurk in hollow night.'" Statius, Thebaid 4. 520 ff : "[The blind Teiresias while performing necromancy declares :] `Himself [lord Haides] I behold, all pale upon the throne, with Stygian Eumenides [Erinyes] ministering to his fell deeds about him, and the remorseless chambers and gloomy couch of Stygian Juno [Persephone].'"
III) NECROMANCY OF AESON & ALKIMEDE Aeson and his wife, the Thessalian witch Alkimede, perform necromancy to learn the fate of their son, the hero Jason, and to bring down the curse of the dead upon King Pelias, who is plotting their death. Valerius Flaccus, Argonautica 1. 730 ff (trans. Mozley) (Roman epic C1st A.D.) : "[Alkimede the mother of Jason, who has departed on his quest for the Golden Fleece, uses necromancy to summon the ghosts of the dead :] Unto the lord of Tartarus [Haides] and unto the Stygian ghosts was Alcimede [i.e. the mother of Jason] bringing holy offerings in fear for her mighty son [Jason, if Shades summoned forth might give her surer knowledge. Even Aeson [her husband] himself, who shares her anxiety but who hides such unmanly fears in his heart, yields and is led by his wife. In a trench stands blood and plenteous offering to hidden Phlegethon and with fierce cries the aged witch calls upon her departed ancestors and the grandson of great Pleione [i.e. Hermes, guide of the dead]. And now at the sound of the spell rose a face, insubstantial, and [the ghost of] Kretheus [the father of Aeson] gazed upon his mournful son and daughter-in-law, and when he had sipped the blood he began to utter these words . . . [The ghost tells him that Jason is safe, but King Pelias is plotting Aeson’s death.] He [Aeson] returns to the holy rites [i.e. the necromancy]. Beneath the gloom of an ancient cypress, squalid and ghastly with darksome hue, a bull still stood, dark blue fillets on his horns, his brow rough with the foliage of yew; the beast too was downcast, panting and restless, and terrified at the sight of the shade. The witch [Alkimede], according to the custom of her evil race had kept him, chosen above all others, to use him now at last for these hellish practises. When Aeson saw that the bull still remained at the hour of the awful rites unslain, he dooms him to death, and with one hand upon the horns of the fated victim speaks for the last time `O ye [ghost of Kretheus] who received from Jupiter [Zeus] your reign and the light of life not idly spent . . . my father, summoned forth from the shades to view my death and to endure again the forgotten sorrows of men on earth, O grant me entry to the abode of quiet [Haides], and may the victim that I send before me win favour for me in your dwelling. Thou, O maid [Dike lady Justice], that dost report guilty deeds to Jove [Zeus], who lookest down upon earth with unerring eyes, ye avenging goddesses [Erinyes], thou Divine Law, and thou Retribution (Poena), aged mother of the Furiai [Erinyes], enter into the sinful palace of the king [Pelias], and bring upon him your fierce torches. Let accursed fear ravish his maddened heart; nor let him deem that my son alone will come with grim weapons in his bark . . . [and take vengeance on the king.]' Then he appeased the goddess of triple form [i.e. Hekate, goddess of earth-bound ghosts], and with his last sacrifice offers a prayer to the Stygian abodes, rehearsing backward a spell soon, soon to prove persuasive; for without that no thin shade will the dark ferryman [Kharon] take away, and bound they stand at the mouth of Orcus [Haides]."
IV) NECROMANCY OF MEDEA Witches such as Medea were practitioners of the necromantic rites. Medea employs these powers in a spell to restore youth to Aeson. Ovid, Metamorphoses 7. 242 ff (trans. Melville) (Roman epic C1st B.C. to C1st A.D.) : "[Medea uses her magic to restore Aeson's youth :] Two turf altars she built [for the ritual], the right to Hecate, the left to Juventas [Hebe, the goddess of Youth], wreathed with the forest’s mystic foliage, and dug two trenches in the ground beside and then performed her rites. Plunging a knife into a black sheep’s throat she drenched the wide ditches with blood; next from a chalice poured a stream of wine and from a second chalice warm frothing milk and, chanting magic words, summoned the Deities of Earth (Numina Terrena) and prayed the sad shades’ monarch (Rex Umbrarum) [Haides] and his stolen bride [Persephone] that, of their mercy, from old Aeson’s frame they will not haste to steal the breath of life . . . [and she then applied her potions to the body of the man.] And Aeson woke and marvelled as he saw his prime restored of forty years before."
V) THE NECROMANCY OF WITCHES Not only Medea and Alkimede (above) but witches in general were regarded as practitioners of the necromantic rites. Statius, Thebaid 3. 140 ff (trans. Mozley) (Roman epic C1st A.D.) : "The gloomy councils of the Shades complain [at being summoned from Haides by a witch], and black Avernus’ sire [lord Haides] waxes indignant
VI) THE ORACLES OF THE DEAD The Oracle of the Dead or Nektromanteion in Thesprotia was a shrine dedicated to the gods Haides and Persephone. The oracles of the daimones Amphiaraus and Trophonios in Boiotia were also necromantic in nature. I) ERINYES & THE VENGEAFUL GHOST Aeschylus, Libation Bearers 380 ff (trans. Weir Smyth) (Greek tragedy C5th B.C.) : "[A supplication to the ghost of the murdered king :] This has pierced the earth and reached your [the ghost's] ear as if it were an arrow. O Zeus, O Zeus [here Haides, the Zeus of the underworld], who send long-deferred retribution up from below [i.e. in the form of the Erinyes] onto the reckless and wicked deeds done by the hands of mortals." Seneca, Hercules Furens 100 ff (trans. Miller) (Roman tragedy C1st A.D.) : "Begin, [Erinyes] handmaids of Dis [Haides], make haste to brandish the burning pine." Valerius Flaccus, Argonautica 3. 380 ff (trans. Mozley) (Roman epic C1st A.D.) : "We [the souls of the dead] are not dissolved into the breezes or into mere bones at the last: anger abides and grief endures. Thereafter when they are come to the throne of Awful Jove [Haides] and have set forth all the sorrowful story of their dreadful end, the gate of death is opened for them and they may return a second time [i.e. to the earth as vengeful ghosts]; one of the Sisters [i.e. the Erinyes] is given them as a companion, and they range together over lands and seas. Each involved in penalties the guilty souls of his own foes; they rack them with various terrors after their deserving. But those whose hands have dripped with blood unwillingly--or were it cruel mischance, though nigh to guilt, that swept away the wretches - these men their own minds harry in divers ways, and their own deeds vex the doers; languid now and ventureless they decline into tears and spiritless alarms and sickly sloth [i.e. in their grief at having accidentally killed someone]: such thou dost here behold . . . Celaeneus [Haides], sitting sable-shrouded and sword in hand, cleanses the innocent from their error, and remitting their fault unwinds a spell to appease the angry Shades. He it was who taught me [the seer Mopsos] what lustrations should be made to the slain, he of his good pleasure opened the earth to Erebus below. When therefore the orient sets the crimson seas aflame, do thou summon thy comrades to sacrifice, and bring two steers to the mighty gods; for me were it wrong meanwhile to approach your gathering, until I spend the night in cleansing prayers [i.e. in preparation for the ceremony of purification to cleanse a man of the crime of murder, which drives away the haunting Erinyes and the avenging ghost of the dead]." Statius, Thebaid 8. 21 ff (trans. Mozley) (Roman epic C1st A.D.) : "[Haides commands the Erinys :] `Go, Tisiphone, avenge the abode of Tartarus! if ever thou hast wrought monsters fierce and strange, bring forth some ghastly horror, huge and unwonted, such as the sky hath never yet beheld, such as I may marvel at and thy Sisters [the Moirai] envy.'"
II) VENGEAFUL GHOSTS ON THE BATTLEFIELD Valerius Flaccus, Argonautica 4. 258 ff (trans. Mozley) (Roman epic C1st A.D.) : "At their [ghosts of the men slain by the wrestler Ampycus] entreaty father Tartarus [Haides] sends forth in a hollow cloud the Shades of the slain to view at last the well-earned retribution [Ampycus’ own death]; the mountain-tops grow black with them." Statius, Thebaid 11. 410 ff (trans. Mozley) (Roman epic C1st A.D.) : "The king of Tartarus [Haides] himself orders the gates to be set open [ready to receive the legions of newly dead from war], and the Ogygian Manes (Ghosts) to attend their kindred’s monstrous deeds [in the internecine War of the Seven Against Thebes]. Seated upon their native hills they pollute the day with grisly band, and rejoice that their own crimes should be surpassed."
III) CURSE OF THE ERINYES Homer, Iliad 9. 450 ff (trans. Lattimore) (Greek epic C8th B.C.) : "I [Phoinix] first left Hellas . . . running from the hatred of Ormenos' son Amyntor, my father; who hated me for the sake of a fair-haired mistress. For he made love to her himself, and dishonoured his own wife, my mother; who was forever taking my knees and entreating me to lie with this mistress instead so that she would hate the old man. I was persuaded and did it; and my father when he heard of it straightway called down his curses, and invoked against me the dreaded Erinyes that I might never have any son born of my seed to dandle on my knees; and the divinities, Zeus Khthonios (of the underworld) [Haides] and Persephone the honoured goddess, accomplished his curses." Homer, Iliad 9. 565 ff : "Meleagros lay mulling his heart-sore anger, raging by reason of his mother’s [Althaia’s] curses, which she called down from the gods upon him, in deep grief for the death of her brother, and many times beating with her hands on the earth abundant she called on Haides and on honoured Persephone, lying at length along the ground, and the tears were wet on her bosom, to give death to her son; and Erinys, the mist-walking, she of the heart without pity, heard her out of the dark places." Apollonius Rhodius, Argonautica 3. 401 ff (trans. Rieu) (Greek epic C3rd B.C.) : "[Khalkiope addresses her sister Medea :] `I implore you . . . not to stand by while they [her sons, who are accompanying the Argonauts] are mercilessly done to death. If you do so, may I die with my dear sons and haunt you afterwards from Haides like an avenging Erinys (Fury) . . . ’ [Medea replies to Khalkiope:] `Sister you left me speechless when you talked of curses and avenging Erinyes (Furies).'" Valerius Flaccus, Argonautica 7. 311 ff (trans. Mozley) (Roman epic C1st A.D.) : "[Medea] wearies heaven above and Tartarus beneath with her complaints [about her love for Jason]; she beats upon the ground, and murmuring into her clutching hands calls on the Queen of Night [Hekate] and Dis [Haides] to bring her aid by granting death, and to send him who is the cause of her madness down with her to destruction." Statius, Thebaid 1. 46 ff (trans. Mozley) (Roman epic C1st A.D.) : "[Oidipous blinded himself upon learning that he had slain his father and married his mother. His sons then treated him with cruel disdain and so he summons the Erinyes to punish them :] Oedipus with avenging hand probed deep his sinning eyes and sunk his guilty shame in eternal night . . . yet with unwearied wings the fierce daylight of the mind hovers around him, and the avenging Dirae [Erinyes] of his crimes assail his heart. Then he displays to heaven those empty orbs, the cruel, pitiful punishment of his own lie, and with blood-stained hands beats upon the hollow earth, and in dire accents utters this prayer : `Gods [Haides, Persephone and the Erinyes] who hold sway over guilty souls and over Tartarus crowded with the damned, and thou O Styx, whom I behold, ghastly in thy shadowy depths, and thou Tisiphone, so oft the object of my prayer, be favourable now, and further my unnatural wish . . . Sightless though I was and driven from my throne, my sons, on whatever couch begotten, attempted not to give me guidance or consolation in my grief . . . and they mock my blindness, they abhor their father’s groans . . . Do thou at least, my due defender, come hither, and begin a work of vengeance that will blast their seed for ever!'" Suidas s.v. Persephone (trans. Suda On Line) (Byzantine Greek lexicon C10th A.D.) : "Persephone : An Underworld spirit (katageios daimon). Elektra says : `O house of Haides and Persephone! O Hermes of the Underworld and holy Ara (Curse) and divine Erinnyes (Furies)! You who watch over those dying unjustly and those being robbed of a marriage bed: Come! Help avenge the murder of our father!'"
IV) CURSE-OATHS BOUND BY HAIDES & THE ERINYES When Haides was invoked in an oath, the connotation was "let me be cursed, if I dare to break the oath." Apollonius Rhodius, Argonautica 2. 259 ff (trans. Rieu) (Greek epic C3rd B.C.) : "[King Phineos swears an oath to the Argonauts :] `By the Powers below [i.e. Haides, Persephone and the Erinyes]--and may they blast me if I die forsworn--that you will not incur the wrath of Heaven by helping me.'" Seneca, Oedipus 247 ff (trans. Miller) (Roman tragedy C1st A.D.) : "[King Oidipous swears an oath :] `Now at Heaven’s command let the crime be expiated [i.e. the murder of king Laios]. Whoever of the gods dost look with favour upon kingdoms--thou [Zeus], thou whose are the laws of the swift-revolving heavens; and thou [Helios the sun], greatest glory of the unclouded sky . . . and thou, his sister [Selene the moon] . . . thou [Poseidon] whom the winds obey . . . and thou [Haides] who dost allot homes devoid of light--do ye all attend: Him by whose hand Laïus fell may no peaceful dwelling, no friendly household gods, no hospitable land in exile entertain.'" Seneca, Oedipus 868 ff : "[Oidipous curses himself when he learns that he has killed his father and married his mother :] `Yawn, earth! And do thou [Haides], king of the dark world, ruler of shades, to lowest Tartarus hurl this unnatural interchange ‘twixt brood and stock.'"
HELM OF HAIDES The magical helm of Haides was crafted for the god by the elder Kyklopes to use as a weapon in the Titan-War. It bestowed complete invisibility upon the wearer (making him indiscernable even to gods). SCEPTRE OF HAIDES Haides wielded a royal sceptre, a magical death-dealing staff which could sunder the earth, creating a passage between the world of the living and the world of the dead. PALACE OF HAIDES The golden palace of Haides lay in the dark, dank realms of the Underworld. THRONE OF HAIDES Haides sat dispensing fate upon the newly dead, from a golden throne in the hall of his palace, surrounded by the three Judges. KEYS OF HAIDES The Gates of Haides were securely locked to prevent the escape of souls. Haides (or his doorman Aiakos) held the golden keys. HOUND OF HAIDES The gate of the house of Haides was guarded by the ferocious three-headed, monster-dog Kerberos. [See KERBEROS] ORCHARDS OF HAIDES Near the palace of Haides lay the god's famed orchard of pomegranate trees. From one of these came the fruit which trapped Persephone in the Underworld (permanently but for a special dispensation from Zeus which allowed her to return to the world of the living for part of the year). CATTLE OF HAIDES King Haides possessed a herd of immortal, sable-black cattle which roamed the asphodel fields of Haides under the care of the daimon herdsman Menoetes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkSleach ( talk • contribs) 02:55, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
I said if you want challenge what I said. Prove me wrong. I did not give you the source to Asclepis turning into a god. Because I assumed you all ready knew that. You must not know crap about Greek Mythology. I research it every day. Been doing it for years. Look up the god Asclepius your self. I am not playing your game. Your trying to vandalize my work is what your doing. You should all ready know that Asclepius is a god. Zeus did bring him back. It's written on college websites and books. I cant give them to you because I dont recall. Where I read them. Go look it up before you decide to delete what I wrote. By the way your not the boss. Put anything in that is fact. You want to put something in do it. But dont delete anything I put in when it is a fact. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkSleach ( talk • contribs) 04:44, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
By the way you keep deleting what I put in. I will just revive it again a thousand times. The ancient Greeks state everything I said. I did you give you every little source I read over the years. I was proving my point about how Hades rules the underworld. Since you like to delete it every time. I showed how Hades rules the underworld. The dead have no free will. Read Plato he states what I said. Hades gets angry when the dead gets away. When Zeus forced him to give up the Cyclopes and Asclepius. It was over Hades head. The Cyclopes ghosts live in the volcano mount Enta. You should all ready know that since you know so much about Greek mythology. Very few sources talk about Zeus returning Asclepius and the Cyclopes. You can read it in books. local legends and poet's not real big at their time. I can't give you the ancient source. For I dont have access to them. However you can read them on the internet and in published books. Their are popular stories. Their are stories shown in just a few fragments and paintings and pottery. In ancient play wrights their are a vast number of stories. You cant even keep up with everything you reed. You have 800 B.C. to 500 A.D. their are thosands of stories told. You cant even get access to all the written work. The books at the store only give the genral information. All the sources I showed you just now. Are translated texts from the ancient writers. My advise if you dont believe what I said. Look it up. Then delete it. Your asking me to give sources to something I read in a published book a long time ago. I dont know the ancient writer. Because the book never told me. Their are so many Classical writers and so many stories. You cant remember who wrote what. I only remember Homer from Hesiod. For information on many greek stories. Go to www.theoi.com. Not all ancient writers are on this site. But many of them are. Not everything the site creators say is correct. Some of it is personal opinion. Like when they say they believe that Apollo killed the Cyclopes sons. Instead of them there selfs. There is a story about that. However most are about Apollo killing the three Cyclopes. Instead of their four sons. Nothing in Greek mythology is clear cut. Every story is told different from each cult. As well as each writer. However what I said about Hades and Zeus. Was accepted by every writer. Is what you wanted to know. Tell me if I left anything out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkSleach ( talk • contribs) 05:21, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your respectful replie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkSleach ( talk • contribs) 01:51, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
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Best Wishes for a Happy New Year! May 2013 bring you rewarding experiences and an abundance of everything you most treasure. Cynwolfe ( talk) 16:53, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
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This year, showing how Cronus and Chronus were regularly and purposefully "confused" with each other is on my mythology to-do list. Hope all is well with you,
Cynwolfe (
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16:53, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Hi, you may not have noticed, but your recent contributions have changed some parts of the text. If that was not your intention, do not worry, I proceeded to restore the item. I'll note that the change of content must be justified in the talk page of the article and hopefully you have a good intention, otherwise your actions will be considered vandalism. Thank you. ( Slurpy121 ( talk) 00:13, 1 January 2013 (UTC))
Well, I'm always aware of your presence, as I become less vigilant regarding mythology articles when you're around. I don't know what to do about the recent string of infantile but not-quite-vandalistic edits at Labours of Hercules that occurred over the holiday season. There have been several intervening valid edits that may be tedious to reconstruct. When I noticed it last night, I threw up my hands in despair and moved on. Thoughts? Really, the whole article needs an overhaul. Cynwolfe ( talk) 20:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
..... and it turns out (apparently) that what I wanted to do was something like this. Not an overhaul but ... Paul August ☎ 21:33, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
See User talk:Moonriddengirl#User Mondigomo and massive copyvio -some editor here have been involved in some of the articles this editor has left full of copyvio. Dougweller ( talk) 16:59, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Today you justly deleted my edit on the "Factorization" page, but would you put my information back on with proper LATEX? This was my first wikipedia post and I was not sure how to format it, but the math is sound. thank you, Fragershroom ( talk) 04:54, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
I am glad to let you know that the LaTeX issues are fixed, and you do not need to worry about fixing the page.If you want to check the math, go ahead. Thank you, Fragershroom ( talk) 01:22, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
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The edits to which you are referring look good to me. Happy editing! Jpcohen ( talk) 01:03, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Uncertain access? Does that mean I'll have to pay closer attention to mythology articles? Bleah. I hope you're going somewhere romantically remote and even better tropical (it's -14° C. where I am at the moment). Bon voyage! Cynwolfe ( talk) 14:11, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Hallo Paul,
I reverted again your edit on the Lagrange article. In the manual of style of biographies there is a guideline (
WP:OPENPARA) which specifies which nationality should be mentioned in the first paragraph of an article. It is quite clear and, in the case of Lagrange, it is also indisputable that his notability was reached when he was in Turin. If you don't agree with the guideline (which of course is not perfect, but in my opinion has the advantage to stop a lot of the nationalistic edit wars which plague wikipedia), please go
on the related talk page and discuss there, but please understand that as long as a guideline is there, it should be followed. Talking about my fellow citizens, Fermi, Segrè and Bruno Rossi became 100% Italians, while Giacconi and Viterbi are now 100% Yankees. Of, course, starting with the second paragraph you can write all what you want. :-) Thanks,
Alex2006 (
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07:32, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
I may've just done bad things at Eros. I've been working on Cupid, and thought I was going to be working on it tonight because my Valentine was on deadline for a project. Turns out he finished early, and I may not get to finish what I intended. Anyway, when I was reviewing Eros I noticed that the section on his nature as a primordial god was completely missing, and the other background section as well. I don't see anything hideously misleading in those sections, and they're better than nothing, so went back to a version that had them. I did this in haste, but it seemed as if little or no real editing had been done in the meantime … mainly just vandalistic deletion and reversion. Since I know you watch the page, just thought I'd mention it, in case I screwed something up. Cynwolfe ( talk) 21:51, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
why aren't you letting me spit on Plato's grave? my addition was totally awesome and lots of people think it Rfkjnfjnj ( talk) 20:24, 11 March 2013 (UTC)why dont u find the sources hunty xoxoxoxox <3
Hey Paul August; I'm dropping you this note because you've used the article feedback tool in the last month or so. On Thursday and Friday the tool will be down for a major deployment; it should be up by Saturday, failing anything going wrong, and by Monday if something does :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 23:29, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
get a life — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.125.251.254 ( talk) 22:56, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi Paul, did you want the sources for Greek Tragedy? If so, shoot me an email, I've nuked my old email, so I don't have your address anymore. davidiad { t } 02:58, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
I see you have been an active editor at Divine Comedy. Would you take a look at Template:Divine Comedy navbox?-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 08:10, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Since you keep deleting all my edits. Like when i put in that Zeus, Hades, and Poseidon Defeated the titans. You deleted it because your trying to delete all my edits. You must know me some how. Your a stalker. Your harrasing me. Now i will return the favor. Since you like to deltete all my edits. I am do right now delete everything you have ever put in now. Have a great day.
Since you keep deleting all my edits. Like when i put in that Zeus, Hades, and Poseidon Defeated the titans. You deleted it because your trying to delete all my edits. You must know me some how. Your a stalker. Your harrasing me. Now i will return the favor. Since you like to deltete all my edits. I am do right now delete everything you have ever put in now. Have a great day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.174.186.167 ( talk) 00:40, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
another thing i just did. I just delted 5 of your edits on different pages right now. Tomorrow 10 more. I just deleted everything you put in on the Cepheus King of Tegea page. You try to restore it. I will delete again because I can. Stop deleting my edits on the Cyclopes page. Everythiong I put in is fact. Keep deleting my information. I will delete everything you ever put in. Have a good day. Moron — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.174.186.167 ( talk) 00:50, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
Talk:Eagle (Roman military standard)#Second survey. —
Sowlos
09:15, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi Paul, concerning the recent edits at Leibniz, the relevant reference seems to be Ariew and Garber. There are two mentions of kinetic energy on the page. The first one is not relevant, as you pointed out in your message summary. The second one seems to bear out the claim on Leibniz and kinetic energy, and provides the reference to Ariew and Garber. Tkuvho ( talk) 16:20, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Please refer to the writings of Dasopholios before deselecting the resource link of Xena of Amphipolis as valid? Thanks in advance I will send on my research papers FYI. David Greene PHD @ Harvard. 65.175.179.93 ( talk) 03:18, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi Paul, saw your edit summary at Hephaestus. I agree with your removal, but since you ask who that Kabeirides is ... The Kabeirides are a trio of obscure nymphs who were either the sisters (Pherecydes) or consorts (Acusilaus) of the Kabeiroi—both cited by Strabo 10.3.21. Residue of this info shows up in Stephanus, too. That's the entirety of what antiquity has to say about them. davidiad { t } 01:47, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
I was in the middle of trying to improve Pergamon when I was interrupted by a small person needing tutoring. What a lovely surprise to find that the cites had already been cleaned up while I was busy! Mellsworthy ( talk) 03:02, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
How can I put a message to you, christian? If we are talking about a God, it should be in capital letter, right? Southamerican ( talk) 00:12, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi Paul, I just mentioned at 3RRN that I agree with your edits on Mythology. Best regards. Δρ.Κ. λόγος πράξις 23:15, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Sorry I disappeared, Paul. Real real world stuff on my end. The article looks great. davidiad { t } 06:40, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
You reverted an edit I did on the article: Muslim
I changed: "who begets not nor was begotten" to "who begets but was not begotten"
and you reverted the edit on the basis that it changed the meaning. How does it change the meaning? This is basic "first cause" stuff. Both mean without creation, boundless, eternal - the first cause from which all emanates. Also "not nor" is just not working. It makes the reader pause to think why "not" meaning "in no way" and "nor" meaning "in no way" are together
e.g. I will not fight with other editors or Nor will I fight with other editors.
Look it up in a dictionary. I should say not nor look it up in a dictionary unless you wish to find out.
who begets but was not begotten = he who creates but was not created
begotten is the past participle of beget - beget means "To cause to exist or occur". So change to past participle: "was caused to exist or occur" then add "not" and hey presto:
"was not caused to exist or occur" in other words "he who is the cause of existence but himself was not caused to exist"
I'm going to revert your edit.
Sluffs ( talk) 10:50, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm just interested in writing clear articles. Thanks
Sluffs ( talk) 12:17, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Thinking about it the confusion may be caused by the mixed tense. Past Perfect (whoops I mean Present Perfect) for the first clause of the sentence and Past Participle for the second clause of the sentence. Who begets = Who causes to exist - do we exist now? - yes - why do we exist? - because we have been created - hold on I was born in the 1990s and I had no existence 30,000 years ago - yes that is true because creation is still going on. That is why the Present Perfect is used - something that started in the past and is (or may be) still going on. Then we have the Past Participle for the second clause - if the creator exists then to even ponder if he was created or not is Past tense.
So the sentence stands. BTW I've given you definitions and tenses so its your responsibility to offer alternative definitions and tenses that justify the inclusion of the words you wish to see in the article. I've gone as far as I can to explain the grammar changes. Justify your sentence - I've justified mine.
Sluffs ( talk) 12:37, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
You are absolutely right. My mistake I thought beget was being used in a "caused to exist or occur" sense and that the "not nor" was being applied to the second clause - still unusual to have "in no way in no way" "begets in no way in no way begotten" - oh well. Since this is the translation given on Islamic sites and I thought I was correcting a grammatical mistake not the meaning I humbly apologize for my mistake.
Sluffs ( talk) 15:45, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
I left a comment on the articles Talk Page about the Tafsir al-Jalalayn interpretation. Its a choice of using the Sahih International version as given by Wiqi55 which is a transliteration for English readers or using the more expansive interpretation of the Tafsir al-Jalalayn:
He neither begot, for no likeness of Him can exist, nor was begotten, since createdness is precluded in His case.
I like the above because of the inclusion of "was". If we reduce it to bring it closer to the Sahih International version: He neither begot nor was begotten. That might be better than "he neither begets nor is born".
The Tafsir al-Jalalayn is from 1459 and is still used. What do you think?
Sluffs ( talk) 18:52, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
That is good idea - "begets" is Present Perfect and the inflected form "begotten" covers Past Participle. Please note that I did keep saying Past Present - its Present Perfect for something that happened in the past and is (or may be) still be going on.
So "neither begets nor was begotten" may be the one.
Sluffs ( talk) 22:26, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
I think we had better stick with the Tafsir al-Jalalayn version which uses begot and begotten. If Islamic scholars are happy with it - who am I to argue. Anyway it does seem to refute the belief in the Son of God and also that we are created in his likeness. So maybe it is saying "no! God didn't have a son and you were not created in his image" which would require the use of begot as given by the Tafsir al-Jalalayn.
Sluffs ( talk) 23:15, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
What a waffle. Yep. Its "neither begets nor was begotten" - which states that no organic or inorganic object can be born or originate from him (Jesus, you, your cat, the images of him at the Sistine Chapel) because he is perfect and transcends representation or divisibility (the trinity is described as three parts of the same being) and that nothing was the cause of him (absolute, alone, one, unique). I'll go and change it now. Sorry about wasting your time while I worked out the "not nor" issue which actually was probably just a missing comma in the correct transliteration.
Sluffs ( talk) 00:15, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
The article redirects from Paeon and specifically has the designation (god) after it, not epithet. The article is titled Paean and yet Paeon is used for the majority of the article, even as the epithet, which you cited as being the primary use of the spelling Paean. The primary citation on the spelling being Paeon is copy/pasted from an article on the princeton.edu domain which recursively cites the Wikipedia article, which ultimately cites this article on the tufts.edu domain where the first word of the article is Παιάν with this word tracker showing they appear the same amount of times but the spelling with the acute emphasized alpha instead of the omega is the user voted favorite. Either way, until a preference can be cited, the article should use the spelling matching the name of the article, as the other spelling redirects to the current spelling. I'm going to roll back the edit and open up a discussion for it on the the talk page
Edit: It seems you up and moved the page without citing anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Penitence ( talk • contribs) 23:56, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
From your revert today of the Goethe section.
May I invite you to the Cynwolfe Talk page discussion for a plan under way for improvements for a page upgrade for the Prometheus page. Also to invite your comments and possible participation. We have been discussing a 30-day plan for September to try to get this wikipage an upgrade status by the end of this month. Your comments are welcome.
The edit which you deleted was a transitional edit only. It was only made for the purpose of establishing the form of upgrade outline needed for the plan to obtain the page upgrade. As a good faith edit, after you visit the Cynwolfe Talk page discussion, if you have comments plus or minus, mark them into discussion. Invite to visit the discussion and participate to get the page upgrade. 72.68.5.132 ( talk) 00:19, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
The edit I was working on wrote over yours, sorry. It was not intentional and last night I corrected the image relocation. Right now I am logged in with the intention to reinstate your other edits. No need for you to do it again. I have the history up and will fix it. _ _ _ _ 83d40m ( talk) 15:00, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
You might want to know there is an open edit warring case against the Fermat-solver you just reverted. Regards. Jamesx 1 2345 17:50, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
Are you planning on creating this? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:25, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
You reverted my edit to the equation x^4 − y^4 = z^2. While you are obviously correct, I think it would be more clear to add that something like "Since any solution of the Fermat equation with exponent 4 gives a solution of the equation also, it follows that Fermat's claim is true for n=4. [1] That is, the equation x^4 − y^4 = z^4 has no non-trivial integer solutions." after the sentence in question.
MeQuerSat ( talk) 00:38, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Good to see someone reverting that notorious Newyorkbrad on sight! I'll help ya! darwinbish BITE ☠ 13:17, 2 March 2014 (UTC).
Sorry about that. Brain fart on my end. - Ne ll is 01:40, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello Paul August,
I heard from User:AGK that you might be interested in reviewing the article on mirror symmetry, which is currently a featured article candidate. If you're interested, I'd love to hear your thoughts on this page.
Thanks for your help,
Polytope24 ( talk) 23:59, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
floo flee burgenheimer I like to eat cherry piesers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fleebin bobbin ( talk • contribs) 16:31, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Paul. I have received a request to look at your editing at Medusa. When I received that request, I had never edited the article, apart from one reversion of vandalism in April 2010, and as far as I recall I had not even looked at the article since then. I certainly had no prior knowledge or opinion concerning the issue that was raised in the message I received, but I have now checked the editing history of the article. I see that you have removed references to rape from the article. It is true that "vitiare" can be translated in various ways, depending on context, but the question to be addressed is not how you or I think it should be interpreted in this context, but how it is interpreted in reliable sources. The source cited in the article says "Poseidon also raped Medusa", but rather than just accept one source, I have searched for others. I found that a large number of sources explicitly refer to the act in question as rape, as for example, here, where we read "Ovid reports at 798 the rape of the maiden Meusa", here, where we read "When Neptune rapes her in the temple of the goddess", here "The aition of Medusa's hair provides the frame for the story of Neptune's rape of the girl", and so on. I found some sources which used less unequivocal language, such as "ravished" (which in any case is pretty certainly used to mean "raped"), but I have been unable to find any source which explicitly denies that it was rape, nor even one which seriously calls into question that reading. Do you have any reliable sources which contradict the reading of "vitiasse" as referring to rape? If you do, then it would be a good idea to indicate in the article that the interpretation is controversial, and to cite those sources along with one or more sources that take it as a case of rape. However, since there is clearly a substantial body of reliable scholarly opinion that does take it as rape, I can't see any justification for removing all reference to that view altogether. The editor who uses the pseudonym " JamesBWatson" ( talk) 13:40, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello Paul August,
I see history of Euclidean geometry I think You have knowledgeable classical geometry, please read pages Dao's theorem and comment anything You think. Delete or keep pages Dao's theorem. Thank to You very much.
Best regards
Sincerely
-- Eightcirclestheorem ( talk) 03:29, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
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Hey, I just wanted to drop a line explaining why I changed "spring" back to "autumn" on Eleusinian Mysteries - the paragraph in question describes Greene's theory that Persephone's time in Hades represents the parched Greek summer, not the winter, and that Persephone's return corresponds to planting seeds in the autumn, not the spring. In almost every other case, we'd be right to have "spring" there, but in this particular paragraph, "autumn" is correct. (Whether Greene was correct or not is questionable, even though his work is seminal, and that's discussed in the very next paragraph.) In any case, thanks for your efforts on mythology articles. ComicsAreJustAllRight ( talk) 20:16, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
You look like a very experienced editor so I was wondering why you reverted my entry on Talk:Reductio ad absurdum. As I'm sure you know, editing other editors' Talk comments is not done except for very specific reasons ( WP:TPOC). I didn't think my remarks were off-topic or libelous :) Was it just an error? -- Chetvorno TALK 20:40, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm not going to start a revert war, but suggest you reconsider your reversion of my edit a while ago to waves. There is no such thing as an air molecule. In mechanics and acoustics we speak of air "particles" but gas molecules, or we skip the semantic issue entirely by talking about density rather than discrete items. There is no such thing as an air molecule. Altaphon ( talk) 05:19, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi there. Regarding this revert to the Virgil article, "aged" is a fairly common usage in this context and it is in fact used by our standard template {{ death date and age}}. Regards, Favonian ( talk) 22:17, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
Dear Paul, you just deleted a paragraph on Zero in the section of computer science. But, you did not provide a reason for your reversal (or delete). Please tell us the reason why you remove it.
Sincerely, Yohannesb ( talk) 14:57, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Dear Paul, please consider adding this information on computer section of zero.
Computers communicate with each other with lights (Fiber Optics) or Electrical Signals. The advantage of using light is you can beam it through satellites, just as you would beam light through mirrors. When you see lights turning on and off very quickly in a network, it means there is a network communication of different computers. This OFF and ON is represented by 0s and 1s, respectively. Calculating with 0s and 1s is called Boolean algebra. In a computer, ON means 1 and OFF means 0. One English alphabet is represented by a bunch of binary numbers. For example, A=01000001, B=01000010, C=01000011 etc. etc. So, when you push the alphabet “A” on the computer, there is a cut off time, and this is “01000001”. One computer sends this binary number (“01000001”) and the receiving computer interprets it to “A”. Each color has its own binary numbers. That is what it means when we say that a camera is a digital camera --it simply means, it understands binary numbers. However, since we cannot write with binary numbers, we must use computer languages to write the binary numbers in the computers for us. The computer languages in turn work between the users and the computers. In other words, as you are reading this, behind this page, there is a computer language page; behind that computer language page, there is a binary number language page; behind that binary number language, there is 0s and 1s page; and behind 0s and 1s, there is light on and off page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yohannesb ( talk • contribs) 14:01, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
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Paul, I left your edit to the Pluto page in, but just for the record, the other poems attributed to Hesiod are generally not accepted as authentic, as his page in fact attests. Eponymous-Archon ( talk) 23:38, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi Paul, I just wanted to let you know of a discussion at the WP:Wikiproject religion re the presentation of supposedly divine beings. The main concern is that present day faiths are treated as religions while past time faiths are labelled as myths. Greg Kaye 18:27, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Removing red links is at best controversial. Depends on whether there might be an article there. Leaving them might encourage others to create the articles. I also apologize for the edit summary. Overbearing and wrong-headed. I was not thinking clearly. Sorry. Happy editing. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 12:00, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
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Hi Paul August, I'm an editor who contributed an amount to Socrates, and the subject of my edits is under discussion on that articles talk page. Would you please join the discussion as i would really value your involvement since you state - Advanced degrees! and Areas of interest: Mathematics, Classical history, Philosophy, and being listed in the top ten edits Whalestate ( talk) 21:02, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch#Are_adjectives_the_enemy.3F Andy Dingley ( talk) 17:57, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Hello Paul, Regarding: (Undid revision 661595908 by Jcardazzi (talk) I'm dubious this is a common name for this field of mathematics: Source?)
Below are some sources, the first is listed as an external link in the mathematical and real analysis WP articles. In Math, the term basic analysis seems to be the subject name used as an introduction to real analysis, sometimes also used a standalone name, sometimes used in a combined name Basic Real Analysis. The style of the name seems to vary by the university math department
Maybe a better edit is (Basic Analysis is a subject name used for an Introduction to Real Analysis).
I knew the subject as basic analysis and could not find the name in wikipedia, and just wished to make the connection for other readers in the future.
Thank you, Jcardazzi ( talk) 17:33, 10 May 2015 (UTC)jcardazzi
Basic Analysis: Introduction to Real Analysis This book is a one semester course in basic analysis.It started its life as my lecture notes for teaching Math 444 at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC) in Fall semester 2009. Later I added the metric space chapter to teach Math 521 at University of Wisconsin–Madison http://www.jirka.org/ra/ with University of Pittsburgh supplements Fall 2011 http://www.math.pitt.edu/~frank/pittanal2121.pdf http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Analysis-Introduction-Real/dp/1505695910
Basic Analysis http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Analysis-Kenneth-Kuttler/dp/1589490193
A MAT 312/312Z Basic Analysis Theoretical aspects of calculus including construction of the real numbers, differentiation and integration of functions in one variable, continuity, convergence, sequences and series of functions. http://www.albany.edu/undergraduate_bulletin/a_mat.html
[pdf] Basic Analysis: Introduction To Real Analysis http://www.urlbooklib.com/rudin-real-and-complex-analysis-solution-mit/
Basic Analysis: Introduction to Real Analysis http://www.maa.org/publications/maa-reviews/basic-analysis-introduction-to-real-analysis
Hi Paul August, yes I understand. Because the term "Basic Analysis" is used as a name for an Introduction to Real Analysis, could text be added to the article to note the term Basic Analysis is used as a shortname for an Introduction course to Real Analysis? Thank you, Jcardazzi ( talk) 22:39, 10 May 2015 (UTC)jcardazzi
Hi. I hoped smb will have the patience to REMOVE THE WRONGLY PLACED MATERIAL, not just my "message in a bottle". The latter is easy. Check the definition (in the lead or anywhere else) and you'll see what I mean. For a change, there is little to discuss here. If you're involved in this art., please do take it on from here, but in a thorough manner please. Thank you! Arminden ( talk) 00:23, 21 May 2015 (UTC)Arminden
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You may be interested in Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Concepts_and_names_in_the_Epic_of_Gilgamesh, which concerns an article created by User:Whalestate, whom you may recall from discussions at Socrates. --Akhilleus ( talk) 23:47, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
Hello Paul August, you've reverted my edit above. Did you see, that I've sorted alphabetically? Regards -- Sweepy ( talk) 21:34, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
hey admin guy, a newly-minted editor has wandered into potential edit war at Hannibal re syphilis. See Talk:Hannibal. Tks. Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 13:06, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Hey! I have always known that one of the main hopes of Hannibal when invading the Italic paeninsula was that the socii would abandon Rome, thus destroying the Roman hegemony in the process. While Etruria, Umbria, Picenum and Latium were largely unscathed and retained their allegiance to the republic (Rome kept legions there in order to convince them, lol), the Southern regions (where Hannibal and his army were actually staying) defected (i.e., they had no other option but defecting) Rome. Thus, primarily, Capua, the Hirpini (but not the other Samnites), Apulians, Lucanians... While I have never heard of Hannibal ever actually deploying any of their troops in battle, that was the point I wanted to make: both Numidians and Italians were forced to be on both sides of the war. -- 2.41.55.118 ( talk) 20:29, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Dear Paul, I read somewhere few days ago that through wikipedia one can access digitally pay sites for free. I am interested in reading some articles or passages in books on Dionysian initiations and the Kaberoi. Could you please let me know where I can find the relevant info about procedure? Thank you and sorry for the trouble. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 06:55, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Hi Paul,
At
Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2015_November_20#Demon_of_the_pit we're having some fun trying to sort out the "etymology" of
Demon of the pit for
Cerberus/
Kerberos, which I guess used to be the etymology here (I've read
Talk:Cerberus#Etymology, and if it helps to establish bona fides, I'm the co-creator of {{
etymology}}
)). I noticed you'd done a lot on the etymology of this, but am trying to pin down when it was changed from nonsense to something sensible, as the nonsense etymology went feral. It's no big deal, but if you happen to know, I'd be glad to have my curiosity unpiqued.
Thanks in advance
Si Trew ( talk) 18:37, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
The plot thins... I'll try to help you with the ety, if you want. This one is getting in the way of it, so the sooner deleted, the better: thanks for that. Si Trew ( talk) 19:38, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Hola enigma. Esa leyenda me parece que noes atribuible a la mitología griega ,si no más bien a la sumeria o egipcia. Cerbero deriva de "Ker Berethrou" (demonio del abismo),es decir, que se le puede atribuir,confusamente,cualquier mito que tenga que ver con un Ker(o Cer). No obstante,cada autor tiene licencia para describir un mito como le salga de los güevos,de hecho, Hesiodo le puso 50 cabezas al "canis abominablis".
Ahora permíteme un par de preguntas: ¿Quién castigó a Kerbero? ¿Cuál es la editorial?
Roughly:
I guess this is someone self-publishing something about this legend, but the telling thing is the reply saying it could be equally Sumerian or Egyptian. I realise this is not RS of course but why would they say that... perhaps the story was just set vaguely in the ancient world of course. But might be worth following up to see why she would think it at all viable to be set in Egypt or Sumeria. Si Trew ( talk) 20:33, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
from Ancient Greek berethron 'pit' and things like that. Hardly anyone does, but in wishful days we thought we would actually have some articles meeting WP:MOS, but since that is such a moving target anyway I just gave up on that in preference to WP:COMMONSENSE and barely look at it now. MOre important to create and correct content; RfD is a bit of a backwater, I know, but it is kinda widely if shallowly knowledgeable people – and I hope I am one of them – who can at least do some gnoming on indexes and disambiguation and translation and stuff like that. Si Trew ( talk) 20:58, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi Paul; Your User page seemed to say you had an interest in philosophy. Is it possible that you might be able to do a close on the short RfC at Phaedrus (dialogue) which recently passed the 30-day mark? Fountains-of-Paris ( talk) 16:23, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
I saw you have retrieved my recent edit of the page Hindu–Arabic numeral system. I would like to know the reason for doing so as I don't see a point of using BC instead of BCE as BCE emphasize secularism or sensitivity to non-Christians. Ashim nep ( talk)AA 03:28, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
please see page 209 https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ujn2fPCwaUAC&pg=PR7&dq=Lord+Mudgala+seal&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjom6CDj_vJAhVF_HIKHbB-DFUQ6AEIHTAA#v=onepage&q=Lord%20Mudgala%20seal&f=false
(was located via https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ZD5-CgAAQBAJ&pg=PT107&dq=Sumerian+divination&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Sumerian%20divination&f=false)
toodle pip Whalestate ( talk) 03:50, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi Paul, Could you please close a counter-productive endless debate at Talk:Phaedrus (dialogue) one way or another? ~~ BlueMist ( talk) 00:27, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
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Paul, in December 2013 you blocked this IP user indefinitely for vandalism. I trust this was simply a misclick on your part; I've unblocked the IP. DS ( talk) 15:58, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
I see no discussion about named references on Talk:Cerberus and I don't feel the need to bother other editors with this discussion. If not using named references were a practice determined by consensus, I would have expected to see a discussion. Rather, this seems like a unilateral decision, so I felt that I should ask you directly about reverting my edit. I do not understand the cause for reversion. The only things that I could see that might drive this decision would be the references section outside of the notes section or that you're working on your own version, but I don't understand why this would prohibit named references. Named references are used to combine identical references; I can't fathom how it would be more helpful to have duplicate footnotes, even if they were referring to references in the reference list. I am restoring my original edits that were not related to references in a separate edit, but I will WP:AGF and refrain from cleaning up duplicated references for the time being. Not sure why you couldn't just put the rationale in the edit summary, but the onus should be on you to provide rationale as to why this action isn't WP:OWNy or to demonstrate consensus. — Ost ( talk) 20:12, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
Hello. Are you aware that your revert added a duplicated link to Macedonia (ancient kingdom)? Macedon, just a couple of words later is a redirect to that article, and the main reason why I reverted the edit by Muntele. And Muntele's seemingly POV edits on a string of other articles, which include replacing "Greece" with "Macedonia", and generally downplaying Greece, is the reason I restored the link to Ancient Greece. Just thought I'd let you know. Thomas.W talk 21:45, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
[104]So glad you've access to the source]. And so much for my fulsome apologies... Haploidavey ( talk) 22:15, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
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Thanks for clarification on "Hope" and also for keeping the quotation marks :). Sattar91 ( talk) 08:54, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
After User:Peter Damian got rehabilitated, my reason for not editing sort of went away. I have a goal now: to get the Logic article up to good article status. — Charles Stewart (talk) 16:46, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Can we keep Orpheus devoid of tourist links and resolved issues? Such as Thracomania? There is a persistence of tourist stuff by some people and removing sourced material whether of primary or secondary sources. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.198.83.40 ( talk) 09:57, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
Dear Paul, I would like to download Buck's "Grammar of Oscan and U." available at Hathitrust. Can I do it through Wikipedia or if not, by what other means? Thank you for the attention.Aldrasto1111:03, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Hello Paul August - I noticed that you are interested in the Outline of mathematics. So am I. Last month I initiated a discussion about Divisions of mathematics on the WikiProject Mathematics talk page. I was particularly concerned with the structure of Template:Areas of mathematics. Some discussion ensued but little was done. I wonder if you would be curious to take a look at the discussion and share your impressions with me.-- Toploftical ( talk) 18:02, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Hi Paul. Do you think it is time to ask for semi-protection for this page? I realize that your hands are tied in this matter, but I would be willing to make the request if you thought it was appropriate. They(?)'ve been at it daily since July 1 (and sometimes more than once a day) and many of the IP's have been devoted just to this. While I had initially felt that this might be a valid, but overstated, point, I now consider it just another form of persistent vandalism. Thanks for your daily efforts with this. -- Bill Cherowitzo ( talk) 22:02, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
my info was accurate and informational. why dont you understand A E S T H E T I C?-- 76.21.6.165 ( talk) 23:57, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
What do you mean it's not an improvement? If there were a smallest positive rational number, then there would be and that would be that, but since there isn't precisely for that reason, you have to say "supposedly"; otherwise you're contradicting yourself. Esszet ( talk) 16:39, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi Paul, I'm new to editing here and just wondering - what in my addition of a relevant artist was inappropriate for Mathematics and Art? Wmccrue ( talk) 22:45, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
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And I have to admit, it reads much better without. One gets irrationally attached, from time to time. Haploidavey ( talk) 15:18, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
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Hi, Paul. About the Category:LGBT themes in mythology in the Endymion (mythology), there says: "According to a passage in Deipnosophistae, the sophist and dithyrambic poet Licymnius of Chios[11] tells a different tale, in which Hypnos, the god of sleep, in awe of his beauty, causes him to sleep with his eyes open, so he can fully admire his face." FábioEscorpião ( talk) 02:06, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the contribution! Is there a different procedure for this? Informata ob Iniquitatum ( talk) 20:09, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
Hello Paul August: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, Doug Weller talk 15:41, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
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Hello, could I possibly ask your opinion about recent (and not so recent) edits to the Demigod article? This afternoon I noted down most of the edits over the past few months by an IP whose only real contribution to this article seems to be to change citations so that they point to the most modern edition and then demand that page numbers be supplied. There have been more since I did this. Additionally there have been vague requests for more examples, requests that the See Also section be reduced, requests for ISBNs of pre-ISBN books and so on. There are also a few genuinely helpful edits and I have mostly tried to accommodate the user by doing things like searching for page numbers. It may be something I should simply accept; and I realise these tags are available for a reason. But at the same time my overall impression is that he is not really here to do anything except get as many tags into the article as possible and he refuses to engage in any discussion or even to provide edit summaries. Your opinion would be appreciated. Many thanks. -- Lo2u ( T • C) 17:46, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
I put in a request at WP:Requests for Page Protection to have Typhon semi-protected so we can force the anonymous deleter into explaining its actions on the talkpage and not in an ongoing edit war.-- Mr Fink ( talk) 17:55, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
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.. sorry. I have always wondered how editing worked because my teachers say Wikipedia is not a good source because anyone can edit it. I hope you forgive me for the vandalism. I am willing to take any punishment. Ikester45102 ( talk) 22:49, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Greetings,
would you please reconsider to publish my edits? because they are referred to an AHCI (Arts & Humanity Citation Index) indexed scientific journal.
thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guvengunver ( talk • contribs) 06:00, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your guidance — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guvengunver ( talk • contribs) 12:43, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
[105]. Just curious. jps ( talk) 16:56, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
I was talking about my feelings here. It feels baity/pointy. I am not arguing that you are doing anything wrong, I'm merely pointing out my feelings and trying to figure out what your intention is. jps ( talk)
I just thought I'd let you know that jps's assertion "None of the sources mention gorillas wading as somehow being relevant to AAH" is far from correct. I've just checked on three sources mentioned in the section and also in the discussion pages, about this picture. Niemitz 2002 has 22 mentions of gorillas, Niemitz 2010 has 16, and Kuliukas 2010 has 24. Both of them favor a wading hypothesis so his edit comments "not an article on wading gorillas" and "gorillas aren't bipeds" (assuming this is him) are uninformed and simply working the system. He clearly never looked at the article and assumed you wouldn't have time to either. Chris55 ( talk) 23:17, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Please revert the category of Cronus, Rhea and Phorcys to the Offspring of Oceanus because I have the reference for that: "Of Ge and Uranus were born the children Oceanus and Tethys; and of these, Phorkys, Cronos, Rhea, and all that go with them" (Plato. Plato in Twelve Volumes, Vol. 9 translated by W.R.M. Lamb. Cambridge, MA, Harvard University Press; London, William Heinemann Ltd. 1925.) -- Markx121993 ( talk) 23:28, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Ok I will delete the numbering sequence.-- Markx121993 ( talk) 00:52, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
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Thank you for the clarification of PD notice. I will keep it in mind. Markx121993 ( talk) 05:55, 25 May 2017 (UTC) |
I could use your help over at the CITEVAR discussion. I feel it's important, as I often revisit pages that I have on my watchlist, and I find vertical formatting easier to read cites. I don't mess with the formatting of citations that others put on pages, and I'm only asking Synthwave for the same courtesy. If you have time to weigh in again, I'd really appreciate it, thanks. Rockypedia ( talk) 15:02, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
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Hello, Paul, long time. What was that, fat finger? I've restored the edit you removed. Bishonen | talk 14:30, 3 August 2017 (UTC).
You were quite right.
However, the text as it stood was confusing. I spent about half an hour finding the edit where that odd formation ("Poseidon Erechtheus") entered the text, and seeing no explanation thought it must have been an editing farble.
I have expanded the text a little, to add an explanation of the multiple uses of Erechtheus. If you disapprove, just revert it. Rich Rostrom ( Talk) 05:11, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
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I assume this was a mistake? Sluzzelin reverted it as such, but I thought I'd check. EvergreenFir (talk) 22:31, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
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This is for all your amazing hard work on the section about ancient Near Eastern parallels at Typhon, which was an outstanding improvement to the article. I thought you deserved a little more recognition than just a "thank." -- Katolophyromai ( talk) 19:32, 27 October 2017 (UTC) |
What about those who like the statue of Luna version more? Why won't you consider our opinion? Spontanovich2222 ( talk) 18:58, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
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Hi! The main thing I tried to correct was that "space" links to the page about outer space, rather than Space (mathematics). Is this not a mistake? Steevven1 ( Talk) ( Contribs) ( Gallery) 04:48, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
eventually ending in wide-reaching pages such as Mathematics, Science, Language, and of course, Philosophy, nicknamed the "mother of all sciences".
This is outright incorrect as all pages leading to Science and Language end at Mathematics which does not lead to Philosophy since it's in a loop.
To be clear, there are 0 pages currently that end at Science or Language.
I can't imagine something more relevent to that page than that. So why the big coverup? Wolfmankurd ( talk) 14:04, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for spotting the error in my recent edit to Pandora's box. I'm currently working on 'modern' literary and artistic interpretations of Pandora and remembered the detail that Hera gifted her with curiosity without checking the Hesiod source. Hera's gift is mentioned in any number of post 2000 books but I can't find any old and reputable source that does so. I'll continue looking, because it bothers me where that story comes from; but if you already know, I'd be grateful if you could give me the reference. My best guess is that it was slipped into the 15th C Latin version of Hesiod, or it may be in the Calderon drama. Sweetpool50 ( talk) 11:51, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
I notice your name as among the editors of the Pandora article, so I guess you may eventually be looking at the additions I uploaded this evening. If the last section there seems to end abruptly, that's because there is another to follow. So far I wanted to integrate bits taken from already existing sections into a new context. It was all getting rather complicated, so I decided to go ahead with what I had so far. I may not get another chance for a day or two! Sweetpool50 ( talk) 22:39, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
I've tracked back Hera's gift of curiosity to an English burlesque play of 1831, of which there is a review here. That's regressed it by two centuries, for a start! Sweetpool50 ( talk) 12:01, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
"I'm here to ask you for a little help, Paul. I know you've been editing the page of "Quantity" for a long time, and you agree that the word "property" should not be linked. I know that you know that small change will lead the "lead to philosophy" theory be gone, I don't know the reason why you do it, but I wanna to say, I'm an ordinary person who really loves knowledge just like you, just like all the other wiki editors. Wikipedia is the best resource website that I can learn all kind of knowledge, and when the time I saw the theory that clicking the first link in every page will lead to philosophy, I was delighted, I was delighted by the fact that philosophy is the study of all the essential questions and all the pages of Wikipedia will eventually link to the word philosophy. This is not about any rules or concepts about how to edit Wikipedia anymore, this is about done you want to keep the "fairy tale" of knowledge or do you want to kill it by not linking property. Before I can tell my kids that the Wikipedia they are using has a magic, because everything will eventually link to PHILOSOPHY, but now... now everything will end up the loop of "mathematics" and "element (mathematics), so please, Paul, I'm asking you as a normal person that may you bring the philosophy fairy tale back to Wikipedia, I know you have the ability to end all those unnecessary debates, thanks!
Sincerely,
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Despite my recent tribulations, I haven't lost faith in Wikipedia yet, since I have a high regard for admins such as yourself and User:NinjaRobotPirate who appear make decisions based on objectivity and fairness, rather than emotion. 92.9.144.164 ( talk) 09:10, 6 March 2018 (UTC) |
I spent an age trying to figure out what had happened here. :) Haploidavey ( talk) 12:00, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
Kleuske and you are involved in sock puppetry and POV. Please refrain from edit war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lptx ( talk • contribs) 23:17, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Ongoing discussion against you at WP:SPI for Sock puppetry at Arabic Numerals.
Lptx ( talk) 23:39, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
I do not understand this close due to its terseness. Would please either elaborate it or withdraw it? Thanks. Jytdog ( talk) 19:31, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
This may be helpful, Paul. Here are the diffs of every edit between the time you closed the ANI, and Jytdog made this complaint to you.
SG contribs from the time of the closing of the ANI to the time of Jytdog's post at 22:17.
Colin's latest contribs at the time of Jytdog's post at 22:17.
If you find anything problematic, please let me know. Best regards, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 14:02, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
I find your behavior here baffling. Please see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Close_at_AN;_subsequent_admin_behavior. Jytdog ( talk) 18:43, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
have left a note at Close at AN; subsequent admin behavior, thank you-- Ozzie10aaaa ( talk) 13:01, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 13:07, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
Prior to my posting this comment, your talk page is 137,038 bytes. Please archive some (most) of it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:14, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi, Paul August! As a mathematician, could you chime in Talk:Proportion, I would like to create an entry for this concept and I have been consistently shot down. Thanks. Mikus ( talk) 22:14, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
Hello! I was wondering, in light of your work on the articles List of Greek mythological figures and Twelve Olympians, if you would be interested in commenting on the nomination page for my article List of Mesopotamian deities, which I have nominated for "Featured List" status. I know it is a different culture than you usually write about, but I thought I would let you know about it just in case you had any input. -- Katolophyromai ( talk) 15:04, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
I notice that you reverted an anonymous editor (not me) who added von Neumann to the category of combustion scientists, for lack of a source. But where, exactly, do you expect a person to place a citation, if the only thing an edit does is to add a category template? I personally found the edit to be quite reasonable when I first saw it a few days ago. Macrae's chapter 9 (The Calculating Exploder, 1937-43) has a lot to say about von Neumann's work on combustion and explosions, etc., for various government agencies. And of course, von Neumann's work on the implosion method of the plutonium bomb is quintessentially about (very rapid) combustion. So, while I will not try to revert you on this myself, I think you might want to think about putting the edit back. Cheers, Eleuther ( talk) 15:38, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Had already done that. Bleucheeses ( talk) 19:44, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi, please comment, if you wish, at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 May 29#Category:Combustion scientists. Thanks, Eleuther ( talk) 16:10, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
Kpgjhpjm ( talk) 17:16, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
Where you made your proposal please look above it to where I added in a hatnote "Actual dialog in full, no selective editing". Not much to read. People seem to be taking things out of context. Was it just that one comment that irritates people so, or was there something more? Dream Focus 12:00, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
Is like being thanked by an ordinary editor! ;-)
But seriously, your change to R & R sent me down a style rabbit hole. To capitalize, or not to capitalize, that is the question: Whether 'tis proper...er(?) in the article to write "River X" or "river X". Is there an MOS entry on point here? Also, is the lower case river specific to this case? I did a google scholar search and found examples of both. Informata ob Iniquitatum ( talk) 20:39, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Anti-Hellenic actions in all articles of all the Battles between Greeks (Macedonians and Athenians) and Persians or Romans. The anti-Hellenicists claim that there was no Greece back then but only Athens or Macedonia, meaning that there is a possibility Athens or Macedonia could not be Greek states. They are doing propaganda.
... for the correction on Cyclops
Hello Paul August , I am not an expert of Wikipedia , so I do not know if this will work. My name is Cosimo Franco (called Franco ) Manni, PhD student in theology at King's College London and I would like to understand why your initial lines of 'Unified Field Theory' entry on Wikipedia were taken off, and if you had a conscious memory of Kant's Critique of Pure Reason when you wrote them. My email address is : cosimo.manni@kcl.ac.uk. Thanks. Kind regards Framco
...I am going to add to it. Following on from this and then this I wonder if you as an ex(?) Arb have the time to check over DanielPenfield's contributions and presence and compare them to a certain Betacommand? I have the same sense of unease as I had with Wierwith. In reading the December 201 discussions you were part of, I note that sock activity/admission was an area of contention. I am, myself, far too away from the project to remember how to do such stuff - it took me most of an afternoon to get to this point - and, honestly, I do not have the stomach for it. Anyhoo, thanks for reading. LessHeard vanU ( talk) 18:58, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for this. When I wrote that, I could not help but feel that "biological" was the wrong word, but, at the time, I could not think of a better one. -- Katolophyromai ( talk) 23:29, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Massimo_Chiacchio_1997/Archive Hello, can you help me to delete this discussion, I am the character in question and I had created many Wikipedia accounts in the past and in this discussion someone mentioned my name with my date of birth and appears on search engines, someone can give me a hand to prevent my first and last name from appearing here? by Max 15:59, 2 september 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.13.201.200 ( talk)
Hi Paul,
Thank you for your comment. I do agree that the changes made to the Thucydides article should be discussed on the talk page and I wanted to reach out and hopefully come to a consensus on this. I would like to mention that the statements I provided were actually taken from a scholarly analysis on the History provided by Moses Finley, am accredited scholar, and all were cited. In the spirit of sharing knowledge, I don't think there is any harm in providing an expert analysis or another perspective on the subject. If anything, I feel it gives a more wholesome understanding to a reader that might not have as much exposure to this topic. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this. Thanks. Nbhard ( talk) 06:29, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
New WP:CONSENSUS Building process... "Greek" or "Hellenic" precedes "kingdom" in the first sentence based on sources — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragao2004 ( talk • contribs) 14:59, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Hello,
I tried to add a section on the Gaia page for "references in popular culture." You reverted my change about Gaia's appearance as a character name in Captain Planet. I know that many other mythological pages have some kind of section that shows how that character or character's name has had an impact on popular culture, and I think this is a useful section on those pages-- especially when trying to teach young people about the relevance of mythology in today's world. I wonder if you'd consider reverting the changes.
Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdicoccosix ( talk • contribs) 14:33, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
I see what you're saying, but is there no place to list modern references to Greek mythology on Wikipedia? I figured stating it at the end did not detract from the rest of the article. I get that the source that I provided was garbage and I apologize for that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdicoccosix ( talk • contribs) 12:44, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
- my bad. 50.111.19.178 ( talk) 16:07, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
How much time must elapse so that it no longer falls under the heading WP:UNDUE? I am just asking, because there was a similar study 15 years ago with the same results, for that see Davis-Kimball & Joachim Burger - [110], and another one by Guba et al. 2011. -- Alperich ( talk) 14:51, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Here's what you tried to insert into the article:
References
But the Krzewińska 2018 article, makes no mention of Amazons, so it can't be used to support ether of these two things. So leaves just the Nikitin's article "Solving the origins of ancient Eurasian Nomadic Warriors with Genetics". Where was this article peer-reviewed? And what is the evidence that Nikitin's assertions are significant enough to warrant mention in the article. And if, as is being asserted, the Krzewińska article "sparked a new debate on the origins of the Amazons" where is this debate? Published evidence for such a debate would be useful. Paul August ☎ 18:49, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
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This is not an interpretation but a direct quote, "it is impossible to live wisely and well and justly without living pleasantly." This applies not only to one deciding how to live but to others, too, with whom he interacts. He benefits by others treating him better than they would if they did not live pleasantly. Kolyvansky ( talk) 20:22, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi. It's been a long time, I think, since we've spoken. I hope everything is going well. Years ago, you participated in some of the initiatives intended to resolve the problem of a serial policy violator. For some time now, I've been having trouble with an editor who's been exhibiting similar persistent behavior, and he seems to be escalating. I could really use your help. I've outlined the evidence of his behavior here. A summary list of his behavior is located near the bottom of that post, beneath the heading "Summary", in case you want to read that first. If you could offer your objective opinion on that evidence, I would appreciate it. Thanks. Nightscream ( talk) 02:24, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
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Good day sir! I would like to ask what is the name of the site(s) or book(s) where I can find sources related to 1. Scholia on Argonautica, 2. Scholia on Iliad, 3. Scholia on Odyssey, 4. Tzetzes on Lycophron, 5. Eustathius on Iliad, and etc. I already searched the internet but couldn't find where these sources came from because I wanted to check or cross-reference the said authors for verification purposes in improving the pages related to Greek mythology. Thank you and hoping for your response. Markx121993 ( talk) 07:55, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
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