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Please read the Wikipedia policy, your straw man vote violates it.. also personal attacks such as calling somebody a troll on a talkpage, because you do not agree with their legitamate content edits is a violation of the personal attacks policy, which can lead to a ban for you.
Glam metal is a subgenre of heavy metal, read its article. Led Zeppelin are seen as many people as a founding heavy metal band; see its article on this website also.
And while you're at it, blanking large sections of legitimate articles, like you did here [1] also strongly goes against policy, please take time to get yourself more familiar with these little rules and regulations that helps Wiki tick over better. - Deathrocker 02:32, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Ours18 03:55, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
You don't seem to have the slightest idea what "metalhead" is, you are likely coming from the perspective of a post- thrash view... bands in the extreme metal subsidary are debated as not metal at all by some of the older metalheads.... even the drummer of Iron Maiden has called black metal "false metal". Led Zeppelin and the like are viewed as metal by the original metalheads you know the people who started the movement in the 1970s.. that carries alot more water than people 30 years later who just listen to subgenres of it, werent born when the original movement was around or involved with it, yet for some reason attempt to insert themselves as an authority on what "metal is and isn't"....
Whether you like it or not glam metal has long standing been a subgenre of heavy metal, and is more closely tied to the original movement than hardcore related music like thrash and the subgenres which it influenced. Nu-metal is also a subgenre of heavy metal, if you don't like it... blame extreme metal and groove metal for influencing it in the first place. Metalcore is clearly a subgenre of metal also.
Please read the article on NPOV so you can get a better idea of how to edit Wikipedia articles, not just to suit your own bias' or point of views. - Deathrocker 04:14, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Dude, don't post that huge text on the EM talk page. Use this instead. Thanks. Morrigan 20:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
You'll have to come up with some better sources; Anus.com is a cookie monster music site, read the description at the top "Death metal, black metal, thrash and grindcore as history." not a reliable source and not a notable site anyway.
BNRMetal.com INCLUDES Led Zeppelin in its archive and says no heavy metal discussion is complete without them... that isn't "agreeing" with EM at all, who exclude the band entirely from their website. - Deathrocker 05:57, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Anus.com isn't reliable, it is only extreme metal related and says so in its very heading, "Death metal, black metal, thrash and grindcore as history." it is also a non notable site comparing to the sources that contradict it.
BNRMetal.com... a heavy metal website has a profile up for Led Zeppelin and says that no heavy metal discussion is complete without Led Zeppelin, that is entirly the opposite to EM's stance on the band, it does not "agree" with EM at all. Did you actually read the article?... you do realise heavy metal is a form of hard rock right? So its the same as a website saying for example, that Guns N' Roses are a rock n' roll band when infact they're hard rock.... the link you provided nowhere says "Led Zeppelin are not a heavy metal band"... infact it says the complete opposite.
You'll have to find something more substantial than that to try and push your POV. - Deathrocker 06:50, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Anus.com does not pass Wiki's notablity policy and I've already pointed out that it is a "Death metal, black metal, thrash and grindcore as history." website, stated by the website itself..
Regardless, that very site itself, along with Black Sabbath, calls Led Zeppelin AND Blue Cheer heavy metal;
And as already shown, BNRMetal.com doesn't agree with EM's exclusion of genuine metal bands, shown by the fact that Led Zeppelin have their own article included on that metal site.
As I pointed out earlier, searching EM for anything reliable related to heavy metal is laughable. All Media Guide is the world's largest music database company... please think before you type out ridiculous claims in regards to notability, thanks. - Deathrocker 15:21, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I have to say something here before I even read on myself. Anybody who knows anything about metal (especially 'extreme' metal) from listening experience can tell you in no uncertain terms that AMG's metal resources are questionable at best. The genre dilineations, whatever your personal view, are laughable (death/black metal), and many of the reviews, especially for the heavier bands follow the standard patronising, denigrating and ignorant 'it's just childish noise' theme common amongst mainstream music critics. Also there are outright inaccuracies in places. AMG shouldn't really be considered a reliable resource for metal music, especially for the more esoteric debates on the genre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thelzdking ( talk • contribs) 15:59, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
World's largest "extreme metal" related website? perhaps.. heavy metal? no, unless you are 15 years old and think metal starts with Slayer. As I showed already, Anus.com says Led Zeppelin are heavy metal in the paragraph I quoted.. what does its bias against glam metal infavour of hardcore non-metal related music have to do with anything? -
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Please do not use sockpuppets, stay logged in while you edit Wikipedia. I don't really see the point in replying to you again, because you're just commenting on stuff which I have already dismissed, you've not added anything new at all. 1)The paragraph is not out of context, that websites states cleary that the band are heavy metal. 2) The site itself states clearly "Death metal, black metal, thrash and grindcore as history." 3) Then please stop vandalising articles, and contradicting other information on Wikipedia to push extreme metal POV. 4) Sigh all you want, please follow the notability policy, and the fact that the website has two contradicting stances within it does not help its reliability much. - Deathrocker 15:19, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Please do not spam article talkpages with personal attacks against users, article talkpages are for discussing the article at hand. Please disist, personal attacks are against policy. - Deathrocker 20:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm as annoyed as you are by the monkeys who keep switching Tool's genre, but let's try to stay civil and keep a clear head. I'd hate to see you be reprimanded or, even worse, banned for something to trivial. -- King Bee 17:51, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Metal is metal is metal. Please stop genreizing everything to the nth degree. All it does is create pointless edit wars, which the Fred Durst article has already had too many of. - Stick Fig 01:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
...and nu metal is not metal. Never was, never will be. End of. Besides, as it currently reads, there is no mention of genres, so there's no more need for dispute. Ours18 02:11, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
We went through a month of edit wars over the order of the words rapcore and nu metal. I don't care whether or not it is, I'm just pointing out how silly the argument is in the first place. If I see you making edits like this again, I'll decategorize them so we won't have any other stupid arguments about this. - Stick Fig 02:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
There's a reason why lame edit wars exists, and repeatedly reverting pages will get you on that page. I don't care how well you know metal; you're seriously comparing oranges to slightly fresher oranges here and it needs to stop. - Stick Fig 22:34, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
This is not acceptable behavior on Wikipedia. Please abide by our policy on civility. | Mr. Darcy talk 05:26, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi! I'd like to thank you for the support you have given for the mallcore article on its deletion entry. I have met so few people that thing the same way as I do, I'm happy I'm not all alone! I have contributed pretty much on the article and I am wondering if you would accept to help me re-write the article from A to Z if the article was to be deleted. Thanks in advance, Zouavman Le Zouave 21:42, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
A famous symphonic band such as Dimmu Borgir or Cradle of Filth needs to be in that specific section so people can differentiate them from standard black metal. Emperor are more associated with standard black metal... than say Dimmu Borgir are, Borgir have also had more notable success with that style, it isn't a "list your favourite band" article... it is meant to help navigate people easily to the correct subgenre article. - Deathrocker 05:30, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey. I'm currently re-writing this, trying to cite every sentence, so you might want to wait before adding content to the current version. Prolog 21:34, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey, i don't think that the term "grammar NAZI" sounds to good, what about "grammar freak" or something to that effect? -- Dexter prog 20:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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Please stop adding POV to the article Christian metal, just because you do not believe there is such as Christian black metal doesn't make it so, black metal has evolved into its own musical style besides the lyrics. Also, so what if its roots were anti-Christian, so was the Christmas tree, what is your point?-- E tac 06:54, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I noticed your edit to The Dartmouth Review. Amen. User:Ccccprescott is causing trouble; see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Ccccprescott. I don't really know what to do after a few reverts of the user's edits. Dylan 04:28, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I reverted it. The link you provided does not show the claim it is citing. Please provide a more specific link if you can.-- Rockfang ( talk) 02:09, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Why don't you post a "keep" vote in the discussion about EM? It would be better than just a comment. Evenfiel ( talk) 14:21, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
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