This article is important because ANS Group of Companies by itself being the first independent news company in
Azerbaijan has been playing significant role in the development of the independent media.
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Okay. The article as it stood, see below, did not make clear the notability of the group, please take a look at
WP:CORP for some information on what makes a company notable.
ANS Group of Companies is the main news company in Azerbaijan. It was founded by brothers Vahid and Seyfulla Mustafayev, and Mirshahin Agayev in 1990
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Hi, I do not see the point, that the first version is a copyright infringement. The article was in most parts a translation of German WP. Second version is a preliminary stub (after review more).--
Engelbaet16:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)reply
Sorry, it is not "much improved" but shortened and a (valid) stub. Please do me a favour and compare my 1st version with the pdf! Even "much of the text" would not be a copyright violation. My first version is neither in the same order nor is it excluding Courvoisier's studies.--
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As a current user of German WP (700 entries per month) I am able to diagnose that Your user orientation, Your abilities in review and especially Your way of legitmating Your actions need some improvement.--
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Seriously, do you even know what
One Piece is? It isn't a game. I'll agree with deletetion for the article can go ahead as the article for the One Piece bounties page isn't too big a loss... However, can you stop saying the info belongs on a gaming wikia because it ISN'T a game. It does have games based on it, however the bounties are not on there. It makes you seem ignorant towards the subject in deletation if you don't acknowledge the subject in certain ways.
Angel Emfrbl17:36, 20 August 2007 (UTC)reply
When your used to seeing people going around souly bent on mass deleting things, seeing someone saying sorry about not knowing what something is about is wonderful. Esp. considering when you have whole articles explaining what the subject. Your better then most wikipedians here in my opinion! :D
Angel Emfrbl08:17, 23 August 2007 (UTC)reply
Gundam
I have noticed you nominated a series of
Gundam related articles for deletion. Seriously, do you know anything about Gundam? It is not just a comic, it is a meta-series that got 12
anime only in the Universal Century timeline, and hundreds of comics series and few dozens of games, not to mention it is always holding up over 15% of the model hobby magazines contents on every issue. It might not be as popular in America or western culture, but it is hardly non-notable. Please, do not nominate articles for deletion if you do not have knowledge in it, at least read the main article before doing anything.
MythSearchertalk03:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)reply
Don't edit Gundam articles when you don't know anything about the subject matter and are displaying wilfull ignorance of the subject. The material is from a number of anime series, not a comic book or a game.
Jtrainor16:31, 27 August 2007 (UTC)reply
I don't like your tone or your attitude. First you accuse me of a bad faith deletion nomination (which multiple editors disagree with) and now you order me to avoid editing pages. I realise you disagree with my nomination, as you're clearly a Gundam fan and knowledgeable on the subject, but that's no reason to be discourteous to a fellow Wikipedian after some of the articles got deleted after due process. --
Oscarthecat19:32, 27 August 2007 (UTC)reply
Notice there are 2 people up there. I did not ask you to stop editing related articles, I simply asked you to at least have knowledge in what
Gundam is, at least please don't say it is just a comic. Also, I really really want you to say specifically what kind of sources aer needed to make a subject notable. I have read
WP:NOTE quite a lot of times, especially every time when there is a mass nom Afd going on, it asks for the following:
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reliable sources that are
independent of the subject.
"Significant coverage" means that sources address the subject directly in detail, and
no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than trivial but less than exclusive.[1]
"Reliable" means sources need editorial integrity to allow
verifiable evaluation of notability, per
the reliable source guideline. Sources may encompass published works in all forms and media. Availability of secondary sources covering the subject are a good test for notability.[2]
"Sources,"[3] defined on Wikipedia as
secondary sources, provide the most objective evidence of notability. The number and nature of reliable sources needed varies depending on the depth of coverage and quality of the sources. Multiple sources are generally preferred.[4]
"Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by those affiliated with the subject including: self-publicity, advertising,
self-published material by the subject, autobiographies, press releases, etc.[5]
Satisfying this presumption of notability indicates a particular topic is worthy of notice, and may be included in the encyclopedia as a stand-alone article. Verifiable content not supported by multiple independent sources may be appropriate for merger with another article.
end quote
So, a magazine the was published before the show, got 1/10 of an issue covering the topic, stating it as one of the most popular, should satistfy the significant test on the first point and should be independent and reliable. And Sources may encompass published works in all forms and media. meaning we chould be able to use any sources even if it mainly covers anime, as long as it is not a commercial ad of the specific show. So, please tell me if I can use such magazines as sources.
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sO some think is better than nothing
eny way it was all treu
besides its not like there is alot of infomation on the subject to right the article
do you know eneythink about it do you live in taupo
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I removed the changes you did in
this edit per
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The consensus has been to not put musical roles on these pages as often times different voice types are cast in the same parts. There isn't as clear defined of a distinction as there is within classsical music roles. For example, Eliza Doolittle in My Fair Lady is often played by both sopranos and mezzo-sopranos. Also, finding sources to cite such lists has proven difficult. See the talk page on the soprano voice type page where this topic has been discussed as well as the voice type page and the opera wikiproject page. This issue was solved last fall and I am sad to see people trying to put musical lists back on the voice type pages.
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Hi Oscar, you successfully veto'd my plea to keep intact the space invaders high scores a while back... the reason why i am here is to ask you review the space invaders wiki, specifically, the last section regarding street art.. I feel this should be removed, or put into its own section as this street art is specific to a particular web site and vision of an individual. it really has nothing to do with Space Invaders, other than the fact the graphics are from the game. case in point, if I have an art company that makes space invaders posters, can I advertise it on the space invaders wiki? i think not. Anyway, I wanted to ask you to review it, and not me simply deleting it, as I like the democratic process as opposed to just editing it as i see fit. And I respect your opinion. Wikfully yours, BlanderCaliforniaMan —Preceding
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The best policy here is to block anyone who show any interest in this whole matter. This is a long term off-wiki feud and I've completely run out of patience.--
Docg20:41, 28 February 2008 (UTC)reply
Thanks for your help on cleaning up 24: The Game. I admit that I possibly went over the top on some wikilinks, but the edit also included changes to the lead paragraph, grammar, spelling, referencing fixes and more. As a result, I hope you don't mind but I've undid the reversion, but will now go through and remove surplus wikilinks that add no additional value. Any problems, please ask.
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Thanks, I appreciate it. It's the first game article that I've reworked extensively since registering an account, so I'm still learning where balance points lie with regards to citing and marking up references, what perspective and style to use and how to use the various tools that wikipedia provides. Apologies if I make a few mistakes here and there - it's probably me not knowing something rather than anything else. Once again, thanks very much for your help.
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Halp pls?
Dear OscartheCat - I've just been awarded a Barnstar on my Talk page and I'd like to move it to my user page cos I'm so proud of it. Would you know how I going about doing this? Any help gratefully received. Oh btw, I also got a cat called Oscar! He's an enormous 5 yr old black traditional (ie not squashed-up peke-face) Persian. I got him from the CPL about a year ago (they stopped his kitten-manufacturing career and ran a brush through him) and while he can be a stroppy little sod occasionally, I think he's great. He loves going for walks and spag bol but has never caught anything more challenging than a paper bag. Anyway, all the best
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Hi there. No worries, I've moved it over for you. This Oscar doesn't like spag bol but eats tissue paper given a chance. Best regards, --
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I am currently working on improving
Star Wars to
Featured Article status, and I noticed that you have made a substantial amount of contributions recently. If you have time, I would appreciate it if you could help out and improve the article. Right now, the primary thing that needs to be done is the addition of more references - the article simply is not referenced enough. I have added {{fact}} tags on the page, which shows up as [citation needed] to make it easier to find what information needs references. Thanks for your time!
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The lead is one of the most important parts of any Wikipedia article; its job to summarize the article in 2 to 3 paragraphs in order to familiarize the reader with the structure of the content that you will providing them as well as to give a quick one-minute overview of the topic. Many articles that are processed through
Good Article or
Featured Article assessments will be heavily scrutinized for a poor lead section.
For articles dealing with video games, a common practice has developed for leads, being a 3-paragraph discussion.
First paragraph
The first paragraph should state the name of the game (using both bold (to identify the article's name) and italics as per the manual of style), along with any other alternate names the game may go by. The genre of the game should be clearly identified as well as the developer and the publisher. If a notable person has been cited by the game as having worked on the game's development (such as
Tim Schafer or
David Jaffe), this should also be noted. Release dates should be given, along with the release of any ports, remakes, or sequels.
Second paragraph
The second paragraph should summarize the plot briefly in one or two sentences; a high level overview is only needed to set the stage for further discussion. One or two sentences should be included to discuss the gameplay, including any notable features of the game.
Third paragraph
The third paragraph should cover the reception of the game, citing its general critical reaction and any significantly notable successful or failing elements in the game. If the game has won awards, this aspect can be noted, but specific mention of any award is discouraged.
This approach should help you to write a good lead for nearly any game, though this may need to be altered for other games. If there's not a lot of reception information for a game, it may be worthwhile to combine the listed first and third paragraphs into one paragraph. There may be need to talk more about an aspect not normally covered in video game articles (such as with E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (Atari 2600)) which should be noted in the lead.
The Gameplay section is a crucial component of a good video game article. Although it may be relatively easy for an experienced gamer to write such a section, care must be taken to maintain an appropriate focus and balance. The section should be written for readers with little or no knowledge of video gaming and should not be filled with detailed information about weapons, levels, or other such topics that are only of interest to the video gamer or that might be found in a
game guide. Your goal for crafting a good section is to have people who have never picked up the game understand the basic mechanics. Do note, however, that it's safe to assume the reader has at least a minor knowledge of what a video game is.
This section often begins the body text after the lead, but is sometimes placed after the Plot section. Games with little or no story can cover the plot in the Gameplay section. When writing about a game, use your head and common sense about the ordering. Generally, start off with a broad stroke—is the game a
RTS or an
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Images can be added to better illustrate some aspects of gameplay. Generally, a single screenshot will suffice. Because of screenshots are
non-free content, usage should be minimalised. Multiple images can be used, but all images should add something to the article beyond what the prose states. All non-free images require a
fair use rationale to be used on Wikipedia.
Things to remember
Don't add in
cruft about weapons, levels, and minute details of trivia; gameplay sections should serve as a primer to the game, not an exhaustive list of every facet of the game.
Don't use gaming jargon which can be confusing to readers, such as "NPC" or "MMORPG". If you use these terms, state the full name and the abbreviation the first time it appears. For example, "Halo is a first-person shooter, or FPS."
Wikilink! So you don't have to describe what a god game is,
link it.
Talk about what makes the game different from others; if you only talk about why StarCraft is a real-time strategy game, then readers could just visit the article about the game genre and be better served.
Development content is very important to include in an encyclopedic video game article. It provides a history of how the game came to be and provides real world information needed for an article to claim comprehensiveness. However, writing this section can be difficult because the amount and type of information available will vary for each game. One of the best sources for such information is a developer interview. These can provide insight into the thought process of the designers and give examples of influences and obstacles encountered. Previews can also be helpful by giving a snap shot of the game before it was released and may mention development issues that were still being addressed.
When writing about development, common sense should be used to organize content to maintain a sense of flow for the reader. Most times, it is best to give the information in a somewhat chronological order—though information can also be grouped by topics like audio, promotion, graphics, etc. If one such topic gets large enough, it can be split off into its own subsection or regular section. For example,
Kingdom Hearts#Audio is a separate section from the rest of the development information because it focuses on the game's musical score and voice acting.
Portal (video game)#Soundtrack, however, does not have as much content and is a subsection of the main development section.
What to include about development
Who are the developers? Which company or studio developed the game, and are there any prominent designers involved?
When did development begin?
When and where was the game first announced? (e.g.
Tokyo Game Show,
E3 Media and Business Summit, etc.)
What influenced the game's story, characters, music, and/or gameplay ? (e.g. past games, movies, books, etc.)
Were there any delays?
Was anything excluded because of time or technological constraints? (e.g. extra levels, game modes, characters, story arcs, etc.)
Things to remember
Avoid
proseline. Though maintaining a sense to chronology is important, this section should not read like an ordered list of events.
Images in this section should be relevant to the information given and should add on to it.
Source everything to avoid information being tagged as
original research.
I, at present, am very upset over the deletion of the article named "Point Dume Freedom Fighters." Checking your A7 reason, you claimed that there was no importance. According to my knowledge, over 20 people have been seriously injured by the PDFF and thousands of dollars of damage have been done. Deleting this article was a horrible descion, as I realized that I was the first to put this article up. This is a serious issue, and deleting it for an A7 reason is horrible. If you would be willing, I would accept the content back and change it to your standards before adding it back. Sincerely, Benfranklinlover —Preceding
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The article made no such claims and as it stood, appeared to be suitable for an A7 deletion. If it gets revised/rewritten, I'll be happy to review it for you. --
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As you didn't respond, I hope that wasn't taken offensively. I thought it was funny because I spent a minute freaking out because it wasn't working, and I felt bad that I had asked you to make an edit that would have to be fixed. I really appreciate you responding so quickly to my request in the first place. Cheers! JohnnyMrNinja11:01, 9 July 2008 (UTC)reply
In many video game articles, the Reception section is the last main section of prose. As its name suggests, within the section you should summarize the critical reaction to the game. The section should provide a high-level overview of what the critics liked and didn’t like about the game; it is a summary, not a repetition of what publications thought. Therefore, don’t put in excessive, long winded quotes or have a paragraph detailing IGN’s thoughts on the game. To prevent cluttering of the prose with scores, reviews table such as {{VG Reviews}} can be used to organize this kind of information.
A good way to lead off the section is a by-the-numbers or at a glance snapshot of the game’s reception; you can use aggregate scores to suggest an overall critical response to the game, and can provide sales figures (if you have them) for the game’s release. Commonly, the rest of the reception is broken into positive and negative paragraphs. Entirely separate ‘Praise’ and ‘Controversy’ or ‘Negative comments’ or the like are strongly discouraged as troll magnets. If the game has won any awards, then listing them at the bottom of the reception section is an option.
Other things to remember:
Don’t list every single review in the reviews table; likewise, don’t mention every award the game has ever gotten.
Generally, talk about what the reviewers say rather than speaking for them; for example, “Reviewer X of Publication Y took issue with elements of the game such as X, Y, and Z” instead of “Review X said that “I took issue with elements of the game such as X, Y, and Z.” If a reviewer has a good comment which sums up the positive/negative/overall reaction, or a particular sentiment common in many reviews, it might be more appropriate to use.
If adding sales data, make sure to provide context; did it sell those 4.2 million units within three months of release or three years? If possible, break down the sales by region; did the Japanese like the game, but Americans not buy it?
Use reviews whose scores are outliers from the average ratings to find key points that were liked or disliked about a game. If all reviews except for one average around a 9 out of 10, and the one is a 7 out of 10, there is probably some clear negative points to be found in it; the same works with very positive reviews.
Perhaps most importantly, give proper weight and keep a neutral point of view. If the game received mostly negative scores, having three paragraphs on positive aspects and glossing over the bad parts in a sentence or two conveys the wrong impression to readers.
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Feature: Reliable Sources
A common issue with writing video games articles is that it's often natural for editors to turn to the internet for all their information. However, using only online sources can be problematic, especially if editors are not familiar with Wikipedia's sources guidelines. First off, for every notable, reliable web site about gaming that exists on the web, there are twenty-five fan sites or personal blogs. As per Wikipedia's, content guideline about
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Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.
How do you determine if website X meets the criteria? Look around for information on who owns the website or if the website has a staff and established editorial processes; if the site doesn't have information posted online, send an email to the webmaster or editor. It can be hard to definitely prove the a website has a "reputation" for accuracy. Thus, it's probably easier to go with established sites to begin with, such as
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To find sources on the internet, checking
Google News as well as simple web searches can help spot references you might have missed. Often, however, older news articles are locked behind pay gates or subscription services. A workaround is using a service like
ProQuest or
LexisNexis, although unless you have access to these through a college or education institution it will likely cost you money regardless. Libraries can have old newspapers and copies of magazines; to assist in finding print sources online, WikiProject Video Games has a
Magazines Department where you can contact users to get copies of certain reviews, previews, or features from old magazines. If you have gaming magazines of your own, add yourself to the list!
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Assessment Department: This department focuses on assessing the quality of Wikipedia's video games articles. The resulting article ratings are used within the project to aid in recognizing excellent contributions and identifying topics in need of further work, and are also expected to play a role in the
WP:1.0 program, and more specifically in the Video games essential articles page.
Two new quality ratings have been implemented into the Assessment Department's scale. The new Wikipedia-wide C-Class rating (see
category) has been added to the scale between Start-Class and B-Class. Because of this, the criteria of the B-Class has been tweaked to better illustrate the difference between a B-Class and C-Class article. An older rating, List-Class (see
category), has been added to the scale as well. It is mainly used on pages that have very little prose and are primarily tables and lists of information.
Editors are encouraged to
submit articles for assessment if they feel an article has made significant progress up the assessment scale or has gained importance within video game articles. Assessed articles generally receive some feedback to further improve the article. Experienced editors are also encouraged to help with assessment of articles when the number of requests gets too large.
Peer Review Department: The Peer review process for
WikiProject Video games exposes video-game-related articles to closer scrutiny from a broader group of editors, and is intended for high-quality articles that have already undergone extensive work, often as a way of preparing a
Featured article candidate. It is not a
academic peer review by a group of experts in a particular subject, and articles that undergo this process should not be assumed to have greater authority than any other.
Editors are encouraged to use the Video game peer review process, as well as the
regular Wikipedia-wide process, to improve the quality of articles. While a peer review can be done at any time, it strongly suggested to use this process before an article goes up for
Good article nomination and
Featured article or
Feature list candidacy as articles cannot be a candidate for GA or FA while at peer review.
Editors are also encouraged to leave feedback for articles undergoing peer review. A process such as this will not work if editors do not give as well as take. Feedback can range from brief comments after skimming through a page to a full blown dissection of grammar, structure, and references. Either way, every bit helps.