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Hi. Can you ask a bot owner who adds interwiki to add the other language links in my articles. I see Alex Bot? I thought bot was automatic, I have start almost all districts. I need your help to add data.
Starzynka (
talk)
16:16, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your great contributions on creating county-level divisions in China. Unfortunately I don't know how to use a bot and don't know how to ask. --
Pengyanan (
talk)
16:21, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your contributions. But, you keep adding
City to the title of county-level cities in China and adding
Town to the title of chinese towns. You claim in edit summary that this is apparent format. NO, it is NOT. DON'T add city or town to the article title. City or Town can be added only for disambiguation purpose. I have reverted your moving many times and asked you in the edit summary to read
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese). But you still ignore my words and continue your moving (like what you did to
Leiyang and
Dafeng yesterday). Please, please stop. And I have also cleaned up your edits on disambiguation pages for many times. But you still hide the entries' titles (like you did to
Nanyang Town yesterday). Please read
Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages) carefully before your next edit. Please don't waste your energy and other eidtors' time. PLEASE! --
Pengyanan (
talk) 14:11, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi. The format I use is the apparent standard for english in China, but i defer to your knowledge of wiki standard and promise not to append City or Town to any place-names that are presently unambiguous.
You are however inexact to say that i hid the article titles in my work on the Nanyang Town disambiguation page, as there were in most cases no articles to hide. Instead of making red/dead-end links (which may, let s face it, never be filled), i linked to the next largest territorial unit. The current edit of that page reads rather redundantly, dont you think -- and most of its lines now contain two links (one empty, one not) which is a violation of disambiguation-page convention.
I didnt realise you might feel i was ignoring you: I have seen some of your interventions but --no offence-- i dont know you from Adam, and my experience here has taught me not to pay too much mind, as some of the user-editors can be a mite quick, impolite or even illogical.
OK, let me explain the disambiguation issue. When I say that "you hide entries' titles", I mean that you use "
piping", i.e., concealing the actual title of a linked article by replacing it with other text. For example, at
Nanyang Town, the disambiguation page you created on 19 October 2009, you write "[[Nanyang Town (Longyan)|the town]] in Shanghang County...", not " [[Nanyang Town (Longyan)]], in Shanghang County...". That is, you hide the actural article title "Nanyang Town (Longyan)" by piping it. Please see
Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages): "piping ... should not be used in disambiguation pages" (some limited exceptions also exist). As for my adding red links to other Nanyang towns, the reason is that the convention requires that "every entry must have a link, and the link should be the first word or phrase in each entry". Red links are allowed in disambiguation page. And because red link "should not be the only link in a given entry", I link also to an existing article. If you think that those entries will never be filled, you may unlink it. Further information, please see
Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)#Red links. Thanks.--
Pengyanan (
talk)
06:25, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Interwiki links
Hi! I see you're adding a lot of interwiki links to enwiki no the Norwegian Wikipedia. You do know that there are hundreds of bots doing that kind of work, and would eventually get to those articles as well? It can be done automatically, so we can spend our valuable human resources in more productive ways... ;-)Jon Harald Søby (
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14:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your kind message. Usually I add available interlanguage links to a new established English article, and then add the English link to at least one of other language versions, such as the Norwegian Wikipedia. I think that my first step is necessary. Otherwise the bot cannot work. Right? I agree that my second step may be unnecessary. But I hope that by doing so I can help bots work faster and more accurately. Thanks. --
Pengyanan (
talk)
15:09, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Yup, you're right – for the bots to work properly there should be at least two mutually interwikied articles. I just assumed that you added the links to all wikis, not just the Norwegian one; we don't get a lot of activity like that, hehe. By the way, a bit unrelated, but why are you not logged in on the Norwegian Wikipedia? Isn't your account
SUL'd? If it was, your IP wouldn't show up everywhere... :-)
Jon Harald Søby (
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16:13, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Well, I only sign up a Wikipedia account when I can participate in the community discussion. But I don't understand
Norwegian language. The only work I can do is just adding interlanguage links. Therefore I prefer contributing as an IP editor, hehe. Thanks for your concern. :) --
Pengyanan (
talk)
17:58, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Mount Wuzhi is called Wuzhishan or Wuzhi Mountain here in Hainan. I, ironically, cannot read the Chinese naming convention page because it is blocked by my ISP, presumably because it contains the word "Chinese". Are you sure about renaming the article. Mount Wuzhi sounds very strange on this island. Thanks.--
Anna Frodesiak (
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09:26, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi! Great work on the different places and settlements in China! I was wondering, where do you obtain information on the romanization of these 'ethnic minority' place names that don't follow pinyin? For example, those in Tibet or Xinjiang or Inner Mongolia?
Colipon+(
Talk)
14:30, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Colipon, I don't remember that I have created any article of 'ethnic minority' places. Usually I just add interlanguage links to them and make some minor edits. Sorry that I cannot help much. --
Pengyanan (
talk)
15:22, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for the heads up. The Help page has changed since I last tried to find out how to accomplish a
move over a redirect. You can rest assured that with the newly updated version of
Help:Moving a page, I would no longer be forced to blunder my way through.
On a completely unrelated note, I wanted to let you know I think something is going wrong with your 1 December 2005 renaming. It's very strange. I became very confused at first because I saw that the username you were editing under was different from the one your talk page redirected to. The problem is that according to
WP:UNC, "Once a username has been changed, existing contributions will be listed under the new name in page histories, diffs, logs, and user contributions." It looks to me like your old username is accidentally showing up in page histories, diffs, logs, and user contributions. (NOTE: I notice you've blanked out your former username on this account so I will refrain from writing it or providing links unless you ask me to). If this is actually a case of a valid
alternate account, then I would recommend adding a {{User Alternate Acct}} tag. But otherwise, unless I'm missing something, I think you should get it checked out by an administrator because it looks to the layperson exactly like
sockpuppetry and it is clear to me that you are not actually a sockpuppet/puppeteer. Good luck, and please let me know if I'm misunderstanding something about your rename. -
Thibbs (
talk)
01:02, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Simulation videogame has been moved to
Simulation video game. Thanks for your contributions. As for my user name, for some personal reason, I don't want to use Neo-Jay as my name, at least in some months. Maybe someday in the future I will re-activate it as my account name. Now I just use this talk page for discussion. Thanks. --
Pengyanan (
talk)
06:30, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Oh ok, I understand. You still might consider adding a note about that on your Neo-Jay page or adding a alternate account tag. It's really confusing for those of us who aren't familiar with your personal reasons. I deal a lot with sockpuppets and as it seems you have two active accounts right now that are both non-blocked, I believe it would be easy for anyone including vandals and trolls to cause a lot of problems for you. I'll leave it up to you of course, and I'm not about to push you into doing anything you don't want to do. In fact this is the last time I'll mention it, but I do hope you'll at least consider it. I think you're leaving yourself very vulnerable to malicious interference. Good luck, -
Thibbs (
talk)
19:09, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
:I am friendly enough. I just cited the rules in
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese) and reverted you moving. Please don't move Lake XX to XX Lake and Mount XX to XX Mountain until you successfully change the rules. I personally do not have any preference on which one should be the naming convention. I simply follow the rules, whatever the rules are. Thanks for your understanding. --
Pengyanan (
talk)
22:10, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
"I simply follow the rules, whatever the rules are." - Article moves were reverted without discussing. To other articles the scheme from NC (chinese) was not applied. Only to my moves. I moved without knowing the NC, I only saw inconsistency. I removed the inconsistency. Now it is inconsistent again. " Thanks for your understanding." sounds not very friendly or welcoming. It is just like imposing onces opinion on another. But I also saw you changed some of your wordings, when posting. Ok, let's discuss on the topic itself, over at the NC (Chinese) page?
TrueColour (
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22:17, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I did not think that we need discussion before reverting the moves against naming conventions. I have given the link to
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese) at every article's edit summary, and I did not revert any of your moves for lakes in other countries than China. I reverted only your moves because I recently only found that you moved so lot of articles. If I had found someone else, I would have also reverted theirs as well. I am not a native English speaker. If "thanks for your understanding" sounds not very friendly or welcoming to you, I apologize. It's great that you discuss at
Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese) now. As I said, I personally do not have any preference on which on should be the naming convention. You may feel free to move those articles if you successfully change the rules. Thanks. --
Pengyanan (
talk)
23:29, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Why move only the articles I moved to a naming scheme that is under dispute? I moved, not knowing there is dispute. I do not untderstand what you always thank me for. Once you said "Thank you for understanding" - But I did not understand.
TrueColour (
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23:46, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
When I moved back the articles you had moved, the naming convention was not under dispute. And if it is under dispute, you should not move them first. Thanks. --
Pengyanan (
talk)
23:57, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Pengyanan, JWB made some comments with statistics, I made some comments with statistics. Do you think the convention for lakes can be changed? Mountains can be analysed later.
TrueColour (
talk)
00:11, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
As I said more than once, I personally do not have any preference on which one should be adopted as the naming convention. Please reach the consensus and I will follow it. Thanks for your discussion here. --
Pengyanan (
talk)
00:18, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
It is
TrueColour who firstly moved a lot of "Mount X" to "X Mountain". I just reverted those moves. And it is
TrueColour that should stop until there is consensus on the matter because the current rules of
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese) are against him/her. And it is his/her actions that are unilateral. If you guys successfully change the rules, I will be pleased to follow them. I personally do not have any preference on which one should be the naming convention. Thanks. Regards. --
Pengyanan (
talk)
22:18, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I unilaterally moved, because I was bold, I saw the inconsistency and saw from googling that X Mountain is supported by websites. I did not see controversy with other editors. In contrast to some other editor that moved back knowing the view was contested. We can all save time, if we do not move while there is known controversy. Anna also cited
Wuzhi Shan move to
Mount Wuzhi, which I was not involved at all.
TrueColour (
talk)
22:28, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I like to ask you why move all the stuff first. If the convention was not applied to all the articles, your personal preference is also not applied to all the articles anyway. As for the persons who invented the current naming convention, you may check the edit history of
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese). Thanks. --
Pengyanan (
talk)
23:50, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Why marking the word "you"? I said already why I moved in the first place, because I saw a mixture of different naming patterns. It is more beautiful to have one pattern, and if both names X Something and Something X are acceptable I thought it is better to only have one scheme. Why should anyone enforce an unsourced naming convention. What did you thank me for? Could you in future please explicitly state what you thank me for and please only thank me for things I have done.
TrueColour (
talk)
23:58, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I marked the word you because you ask me why moved those articles back. I also said already why I moved them back, because it is what the naming conventions require. Yes, it is more beautiful to have one pattern. But we can chose the naming convention as the beautiful one pattern. Why should you (I mark this word because you refer to "anyone") enforce your own naming convention? Now, thanks for your discussion at my talk page. --
Pengyanan (
talk)
00:06, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for adding the template!! I didn't have in mind how to do it. Thanks, that despite my recent unfriendliness you did help here. This is really honorable in my personal opinion.
TrueColour (
talk)
01:34, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
I will have a look and see I can memorize this template. I think I was a little bit stressed lately. I just wanted to finish the whole topic, so I can drop it from my head. This is my personality. Technically one could wait a week or longer. I agree with you. The words I make now here, are only to show you reasons for my behavior. I think both points of view about the process (speed of process) have their validity. You sticked to process quality (not move before solving controversy), I liked this.
TrueColour (
talk)
01:58, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Thank you
Some virtual puppies for you. Thank you again for the page moves and for sticking with the whole thing to the end. That wasn't fun. Oh, and thanks for the good advice on the Hainan county matter. Very helpful! If you ever need me for anything, just holler. --
Anna Frodesiak (
talk)
02:43, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Kungkang (
talk·contribs) is a problem. He's doing copy and paste and creating articles without understanding our need for reliable and verifiable sources, and I am planning to take at least one of his articles to AfD,
Wu Sien as I can find no sources. I suspect it is a matter of the English spelling but I searched using various relevant keywords and spellings.
Dougweller (
talk)
06:07, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your help with Yongle the Great's block evasion
He's one persistent block evader. The IP range he edits from has been blocked for 5 days, but I found at least one old sock of his recently that suddenly started to edit again.
Dear Pengyanan, since I came to know you, I would like to point your attention to a lakuna that bothers me: the
Twenty-Four_Histories gives the Chinese names of the sources, but the Romanized names are missing. That is contrary to the WP practice, where the Chinese spelling/names are followed by the pynin form, and it creates a confusion when different authors use different transliterations for the titles, sometimes with a subtle difference between totally different references. Maybe you can help, or organise an effort to fill in the missing information, it is a perfect place to use pynin, and I am sure many readers will be grateful to you. Regards,
Barefact (
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22:18, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Dear Pengyanan, thank you so much, I am sure many people will be greatful for your efforts. As you noted, I used to jump from page to page to keep verifying a correct reference, now it is is piece of cake. Regards,
Barefact (
talk)
23:35, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
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Erwin85Bot (
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01:09, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Dear Pengyanan, can you please add a missing Chinese name for
Kipchaks, I have run into a couple of transliteration of that name, but none of these sources show the actual Chinese characters that are being transliterated. The transliteration reads ~"Tsyn-cha", which in pynin, I guess, would be something like "Qyn chao", and it is cited as a first written mentioning of Kipchaks, at about 2nd c. BCE. I would appreciate your help with that article, I hope it would not be a task difficult for you. Regards,
Barefact (
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05:05, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
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Hi. I've noticed your name a lot in the page history of China geography articles. I wondered if you and anybody else you know who would be interested could draw up a list of townships by province at
here. I've spotted a mass of articles in the Hudong Encyclopedia but we'd need a source to be able to draw them up by province organized by prefecture/county and also to have the townships linked in the county articles. Once the list is drawn up I'd be willing to help get the articles on townships started as info seems to be avilable in Chinese for most of them, however basic..I understand it would not be done overnight, but it could be done a province at a time. I've started
List of townships of Xinjiang. I want to start all of them like
Yanqi Town. Could you list them for me? ‡ Himalayan ‡ΨMonastery19:16, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Hello Pengyanan/Neo-Jay. I hereby present to you this wide array of barnstars for all your excellent work, especially in the area of Wei qi, (which I think is the most beautiful thing in the world -- even more beautiful than
Bach,
Pissarro and
Shakespeare combined), and of course, for your Chinese geography edits. You are a great asset to the project.
Anna Frodesiak (
talk)
16:07, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Hello, this is just to let you know that I have granted you the
"autopatrolled" permission. This won't affect your editing, it just automatically marks any page you create as patrolled, benefiting
new page patrollers. Please remember:
This permission does not give you any special status or authority
Submission of inappropriate material may lead to its removal
Many thanks for your granting me the "autopatrolled" permission! --
Pengyanan (
talk) 17:43, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Wow, now I'm confused! You talk page is a redirect and I flagged the account it redirects to. Which one do you use to edit?
HJ Mitchell |
Penny for your thoughts? 17:46, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi, for some personal reason, I don't use my main account Neo-Jay right now. The account Pengyanan usually do minor edits and only occasionally create new pages, and all of them are disambiguation pages. Probably I will re-activate my main account Neo-Jay later this year. Sorry for the confusion I caused. Thanks. --
Neo-Jay (
talk) 18:01, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
You reverted a page move of the
Lifan Group page to its original location. I don't know what naming convention you're referring to. It sounds like a good idea to title an entry that is about a legal entity with the legal name of that entity. I don't know why
Microsoft isn't
Microsoft Corporation, but I don't know if that's in any way relevant here. People who are interested in the Lifan article will probably be interested in the legal entity not the brand name.
Fleetham (
talk)
01:21, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Please read
Wikipedia:Article titles#Common names: " Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it instead uses the name which is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources." And please see the examples provided there. I noticed that you recently moved a lot of articles from their common names to what you called "legal names" such as moving
Lifan Group to
Lifan Industry (Group) Company and moving
Soueast Motors to
South East (Fujian) Motor Co Ltd. This violated Wikipeida's naming convention. All those moves should be reverted. The "legal name" of the entity can be provided in the
lead section or the text of the article and should not be the article title. Thanks. --
Pengyanan (
talk)
01:33, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Doesn't violate
WP:NCCN because the naming the entry for a legal entity with its name isn't pedantic. These entries do not yet appear often enough in English-language press to warrant application of the "most frequently used name" clause. The people who will be most interested in these articles will be happy to be reassured that the articles truly are about the legal entities named in the title.
Fleetham (
talk)
01:49, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Please prove that "these entries do not yet appear often enough in English-language press". How many times is enough?
Lifan Group is the common name that this company refers to itself as. And please notice that
Soueast is the official English name adopted by this company (see
its official website). On what ground that do you think that
South East (Fujian) Motor Co Ltd is its "legal" name? Please follow the naming convention. Thanks. --
Pengyanan (
talk)
01:59, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Look at the provided examples: Bill Clinton, the NAZIs, etc. These examples are all tremendously famous to the point of "famous in places they don't need to be" famous. When an example is not tremendously famous, e.g. Aphrodite of Melos, the common name differs significantly from the "pedantic" name. Such is not the case with my page moves, as their common names and their legal names do not significantly differ, i.e. any reasonable person would be able to identify the common name from the legal name. Such is the standard I have set.
Fleetham (
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02:10, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm not saying these companies don't have "common names". What I am saying is these companies don't have enough mentions in English-lang. media to warrant their use. People simply don't know "Lifan Group" and would therefore prefer the more-correct "Lifan Industry (Group) Company". What I am saying is, "Everyone loves Bill Clinton, but they don't know him as 'William Jefferson'"
Fleetham (
talk)
03:46, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Well, even if you insist that 36,300 and 145,000 results are still not enough mentions (and I don't agree), then
Wikipedia:Article titles#Common names does not require that these companies should "have enough mentions in English-lang". It only requires using "the name which is most frequently used to refer to the subject". As long as the name is the most frequently used, it should be used as the article title. In the two cases we are discussing,
Lifan Group and
Soueast are apparently the most frequently used names and should be the titles. Please follow the naming convention and don't impose your own naming preferences. Thanks. And BTW, how do you know that people prefer the full name of Lifan? How? I, as a member of people, don't know
Lifan Industry (Group) Company and prefer the common name
Lifan Group. --
Pengyanan (
talk)
03:57, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
It's a lot of mentions, but maybe not a lot for legal entities of such size. And the problem with even 30K+ mentions that we still don't know what "real" common name will emerge, if any. And until a larger, more varied body of work mentioning these companies emerges we won't know. For example, South East (Fujian)... is obviously going to have the common name "Soueast", but in reality only that company and companies which own it actually use the name. It's a commonly used name, sure, but one only in common use by a select few. So we can take all of those mentions and place them in one box, and if we look in another box we will see too few mentions. There might be depth, but I would argue a true common name needs breath as well.
Fleetham (
talk)
04:10, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
I do want to come to some consensus on this point: if every person at the company uses the same nickname for it, this nickname is not a common name because it's not in common use.
Fleetham (
talk)
04:14, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
The
Google search results are not used by select few. They are used by English-language reliable sources, which meet the
Wikipedia:Article titles#Common names standards. No one here argues to adopt a nickname only used by the persons inside the company. If such a nickname is not used by the English-language reliable sources, then it should not be the article title. If it is, then it should be the title. In the two cases we are discussing,
Lifan Group and
Soueast are apparently the common name used by English-language reliable sources and should be the article titles.--
Pengyanan (
talk)
04:27, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Even in this The Economist article, the company is referred to as Chongqing Lifan Industry Group once and
Lifan Group twice. This again clearly shows which one is the common name adopted by English-language reliable sources. --
Pengyanan (
talk)
05:37, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
That's the same "A:B..." pattern seen with acronyms and acronyms aren't common names. I don't know if a common name is simply a convenience, but this pattern only evinces a convenience.
Fleetham (
talk)
05:43, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
I don't know how many people prefer the legal name, but I would imagine those who want to read such articles will have some motivation to do so--to learn about the company. The legal name as title is an assurance that the company they are learning about is the same company they came to learn about, and not some other, similarity named (or closely-aligned) company. See;
Guangzhou Automobile Industry Group and
Guangzhou Automobile GroupFleetham (
talk)
04:22, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Yes, it's quite unusual :) It doesn't say that such abbr. can't be included. I will revert those moves, however. Other moves that don't constitute abbreviation additions really should be thought out on a case-by-case basis, however.
Fleetham (
talk)
04:46, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
The word Company is also a suffix and should be excluded from the article title as a rule. Please read
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (companies): "In some cases, ...suffixes (such as Company... and so forth) are an integral part of the company name and should be included as specified by the company, especially when necessary for disambiguation." This means that 1) the word company is also a suffix and therefore should be treated as other suffixes like Inc., plc, LLC; and 2) only on the exceptional occasions prescribed by the naming convention, the word company can be included in the title. --
Pengyanan (
talk)
08:33, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Sorry to butt in on another talkpage, but thanks Pengyanan for sticking to it. Also,
Beijing Hyundai is clearly the better title, and I would vote for a revert to
Chang'an Motors.
Beijing Automotive Group is the name used by the company for their own website, in their logo, and so on. Those names would also allow for much easier wikilinking without having to spell out the whole "holding co group ltd" soup.
⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃ (
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20:45, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of
your recent edits, such as the one you made to
Northrop Grumman X-47, did not appear to be constructive and has been
reverted or removed. Please use
the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the
welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you! --
Nyswimmer (
talk) 17:35, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Your good faith edit at
Northrop Grumman X-47 was reverted. As I put in the edit summary, Northrop Grumman X-47 can apparently refer to both
Northrop Grumman X-47A Pegasus and
Northrop Grumman X-47B. Therefore it should be redirected to the disambiguation page
X-47 or should be a disambiguation page itself. And, please don't be eager to point your finger at other users and claim their edits to be vandalism. Please be clam and
civil. Thanks. And, if you want to have further discussion with me, please leave message at my current talk page
User talk:Neo-Jay, not
User talk:Pengyanan. --
Pengyanan (
talk) 03:18, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
I got a message on my talk page about this edit and you said to reach you put a message on your talk page. I didn't mean to correct that edit sorry:( I see it's not vandalism I was using a tool where almost everything was vandalism and marked that by mistake.Please forgive me as I'm sorry and meant no harm --
Nyswimmer (
talk)
12:20, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Please do not remove
CSD templates when they have not been processed. You seem to agree that Lingyuan City is the primary topic, but deleting the CSD template holds up the move. --HXL's
RoundtableandRecord11:30, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I do insist on moving Lingyuan City to Lingyuan alone, and since I have tried doing so myself, I know that it has to be deleted. In general, when appropriate, CSD requests can be processed much more quickly than move requests. --HXL's
RoundtableandRecord13:48, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
NC-ZH Policy for Villages (村)
What do you think villages should be disambiguated by? 县级行政区 or 乡级行政区? (I think the former) We need to write a specific policy for villages as I am encountering more village articles than I thought. Thanks much. --HXL's
RoundtableandRecord01:28, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your message. I agree that the county-level division can be used to disambiguate villages in China. Best regards. --
Pengyanan (
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13:22, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your invitation. I have joined it. For some personal reason, I currently do not create any new article except disambiguation pages. But I can help edit the town and township level divisions. By the way, as far as I know, four Chinese county-level divisions,
Dushan County,
Songtao Miao Autonomous County,
Shanhaiguan District, and
Lianshui County, have not been created as articles. They are currently all redirect pages.
Shanhaiguan District now redirects
Shanhaiguan, which is the pass, not the district. The other three redirect their upper (prefecture) level divisions or a list. It will be great if you can change them to articles. Thanks for your contributions. --
Pengyanan (
talk)
18:03, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
I can make quick stubs out of the three counties you listed, but 山海关 is trickier, because of the distinction between the division and pass; I will need to make edits to the pass page, too, to make that distinction. Thanks for joining. Hopefully for you this work should be more interesting than disambiguation... –HXL's
RoundtableandRecord18:24, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
On an unrelated note, for DAB pages that have only 大陆、台湾 topics, could you use "the following in (of) China" (if mainland only) or "the following in (of) mainland China or Taiwan"? Saves the unnecessary repeating of ", China". –HXL's
RoundtableandRecord03:34, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
I make this terribly clear; since you took offence to my initial edit summary, I will keep quiet when I encounter something that you made that I disapprove. I hope that this is much better than a simple mention of "sorry". Sincere apologies are backed by future actions, not by rhetoric alone. You should know this. –HXL's
RoundtableandRecord12:33, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Just to note, you (we) were wrong about having all the county-level divisions. Hopefully there are none others missing... —HXL's RoundtableandRecord23:20, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
When adding a pushpin map to an article infobox, please use the provincial one (China XX) when available. The national map does not provide enough detail on the location of a county. —Xiaoyu: 聊天 (T) 和贡献 (C)17:42, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
OK, since the province-level map also cannot provide enough details, I will add pushpin maps on both provincial (if available) and national levels to China's city or county. I found that U.S cities (e.g.,
New York City) and counties (e.g.
Madison County, Florida) also have maps on both state and national levels. Thanks. --
Pengyanan (
talk)
00:28, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
I disagree about including a national map for something as small as a county. Most articles on US cities. However, all US counties use {{Infobox U.S. county}}, which by default provides two maps: Location of county within state, and location of state (not county) in the US. It seems editors there have agreed to So if you are going to do this to any article you find, the way forward should be carved out at
WT:CHINA. —Xiaoyu: 聊天 (T) 和贡献 (C)01:46, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
I am fine if you add province-level map to China's county. But I personally disagree about excluding the national map from it. It seems that Wikipedia has no consensus on which map should be used for Chinese counties. If you are going to add province-level map to, and remove national map from, any article you find, the way forward should also be carved out at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject China. --
Pengyanan (
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02:54, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
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Hello, Neo-Jay, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia!
I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you worked on,
Alibaba.com, for deletion because I don't think it meets our criteria for inclusion. If you don't want the article deleted:
Hello, Neo-Jay. When you moved
Richard Garnett to a new title and then changed the old title into a
disambiguation page, you may have overlooked
WP:FIXDABLINKS, which says:
A code of honor for creating disambiguation pages is to fix all resulting mis-directed links.
Before moving an article to a qualified name (in order to create a disambiguation page at the base name, to move an existing disambiguation page to that name, or to redirect that name to a disambiguation page), click on What links here to find all of the incoming links. Repair all of those incoming links to use the new article name.
Hi, R'n'B. Thanks for your message. I have updated all the rest 21 articles (not including talk pages and user pages), 3 Wikipedia project pages and 1 file page that contain internal links to
Richard Garnett. Best regards. --
Pengyanan (
talk)
17:49, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
I'm afraid you are absolutely wrong about this. There are literally tens of thousands of "Entombments" in art, with the titles having many variants which are used by art historians according to taste. A page that just lists the handful that we happen to have articles on is no help to the reader, as the odds that the one he is looking for is one of these are really vanishingly small. It is far better to take the reader straight to an article, or section of the article, on the subject as a subject, with a list of links to the works on which we have an article. Pages supposedly disambiguating standard subjects of religious art like this are among the most useless on Wikipedia.
Johnbod (
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06:23, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
It is you that redirected an established disambiguation article without any discussion. I have invited you to discuss at
Talk:The Entombment (disambiguation), not here. You are not welcome to leave any comment about this issue at my talk page. BTW, thanks for your polite words. -- Sincerely yours, absolutely wrongPengyanan (
talk)
06:53, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Let me get this straight. You don't want my comments here, you say they should go somewhere else. When I post them there, you remove them. And your main editing interest is the Chinese Communist Party. I think I see now.
Johnbod (
talk)
16:42, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Hello Pengyanan / Neo-Jay. I just nominated
Mulan (upcoming film) for deletion, as you advised, see
here.
Meanwhile, I must say that I find it confusing that you are using your "Pengyanan" account, but that you are using the talk page of the "Neo-Jay" account. Why not stick with
User talk:Pengyanan? Cheers, theFace15:21, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
There is nothing in
WP:RECENTISM about primary topics or redirects. If this principle did apply to redirects, it would mean that an established consensus should not be altered unduly to accommodate a recent event. In this situation, we are talking about a redirect that you retargeted without discussion just recently.
Kauffner (
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13:22, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
I think your two user names are set up incorrectly. You are obviously not using this user name any longer and instead are using the "P" name. Would you like assistance in fixing this? -
UtherSRG(talk)20:02, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your concern. Pengyanan is my temporary user name for some personal reason. I will eventually activate my formal user name Neo-Jay in the future. Sorry for the confusion I caused. --
Pengyanan (
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20:08, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
I've removed the contested technical move listing. Please make a formal RM request on the article's talk page if you still wish to have the article moved. -
UtherSRG(talk)20:03, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much for fixing the infobox. I've been fiddling around with the syntax for ages, and whatever changes I made always seemed to break the template. Now it looks much better. --
李博杰 | —
Talkcontribsemail19:15, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your message. If all pages created by
User:Jaguar from 26 October 2011 on are deleted, my edits and many, if any, other editors' edits on Jaguar's articles will also be wiped out. It will be very very sad. But unfortunately I have no time to participate in the very long discussion at
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/User:Jaguar. I can do nothing but wait and see. --
Pengyanan (
talk)
17:16, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
I understand your reluctance. The initial plan is to delete the 8034 Chinese subdistrict stubs that have not been expanded by anyone.
Kanguole17:30, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
I would like too help out too but it will mean having to keep the articles. And it would be even more sadder for me if they would be deleted because they're my 8,000 articles I started!
Jaguar(talk)19:03, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Jaguar. Thanks for your willing to help. But please first stop creating new stubs. There are still many errors in your new stubs. Please fix and improve existing stubs first. Thanks. --
Pengyanan (
talk)
08:08, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
I stopped creating stubs a couple of weeks ago, but I made 12 to ensure that they were all correct and I included Chinese with them as well. Thanks,
Jaguar(talk)11:17, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
I've asked User:Plastikspork if he can code something to add the Chinese and asked for an extended week. I'll see what plastik can do before frantically trying to save anything. Thanks for your interest. Pengyanan I nee dyou to check something for me.
Codoi, Tibet there seems to be at least two townships in Tibet of that name and also a village or two more. Can you check this and also that
Cuoma is indeed a township as CF Guide lists it as a village of Nyainrong county.♦
Dr. Blofeld13:15, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
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