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Heads up twenty days early? Wow a lots happened in the time youve been off - the test for a start! Trust all is well - I've got through non AWB 10,000 edits now - mainly tagging Indonesian stubs of dubious quality :)
SatuSuro02:07, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
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Grateful if you could cast you eyes over this. Some fauna articles are named with common names and other scientific. Flora seems more consistent, but not always so. Is there a convention on this?
All flora taxa are now located at their scientific name. It is permitted for flora uses to have an separate article. e.g. the article on the plant commonly known as "coconut" belongs at Cocos nucifera, but there should also be an article on the fruit at
Coconut. This convention applies across the board, but it is pretty new, so some articles (including my coconut example) haven't been sorted out yet. The other special case is flora names that refer to a handful of plants that don't make up a coherent taxon. e.g.
Kangaroo Paw is a common name that refers to some but not all Anigozanthos, plus one Macropidia. If you see a flora article at the common name, and it doesn't fall into one of these exceptions, feel free to move it.
Fauna are wishy-washy. They are supposed to be located at the common name, but some taxa don't have a common name, and some taxa share a common name with other taxa. I guess the best course is to use the common name unless it is untenable.
That would have to be the best single-edit page I've seen. But I've ruined that by giving it a light copyedit.
Hesperian10:43, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Figured that. Took the laptop with us on holidays, did we? But for all that work, your edit count increased by just one. So it still counts.
Hesperian11:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
I saw this on your front page and commented (and rated) on its talk. I see now it has at least one peer review. Agree wtih Hesp on exceptional quality of single edit p. But I'm here to get a new image for
WP:WA. Regards
Fred17:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Things you might have missed
the pipe trick works for commas now, so "[[Perth, Western Australia|]]" yields
Perth. Maybe this happened a while ago, but I only just found out.
That last one - a dag sock with bad english puts up what in effect has become a 'the scots come first' campaign! begorah enough to make the thistle itch, or was that the sporran tickle - (Ok I do have predominantly scottish ancestry)
SatuSuro11:09, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Ohohoh
If you did that to bellevue railway station (hmmm) - there are a large number of railway stations you might have to consider... you might check where order and I have been with rebecca earlier today - it might or might not interest you!
SatuSuro08:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Have I ever kept things simple. Yes I happen to agree with you re the Odd use of Perth after the railway station names. (The separate issue is bothering me - its bit like the walkover of the Perth thing by the sock). Will try to fathom the origins of the Perth thingo on the railway stations - I had simply followed rather than questioning at the time I first emet it.
SatuSuro11:00, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Aquinas College, Perth Article
My rationale for doing this is that all of the other school are relevant to Aquinas College in that they are part of the PSA. And that they are a significant part of the sport article. If you wish to delete them, then do so, but i think the Trinity one needs to stay for sure. Thanks =)
Smbarnzy09:03, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Why are you removing the category template for the Aquinas College, Perth talk page, i think it should stay as it is relevant to the subject. Please justify, Thanks
Smbarnzy09:16, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I am willing to accept the deletion of all PSA schools from the category of AC, Perth except Trinity? Thanks for your help and guidance. Much appreciated
Smbarnzy12:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Im not sure what you meant by the fees and their structure, does that mean, "how they are paid (eg. quarteryly) or something else? Thanks
Smbarnzy13:57, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Took your advise on the Categorisation and removed a few of them - feel free to remove others if you wish. Thanks for your help, any chance of the review? understand if you cant, Thanks
Smbarnzy13:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Fees
Yes, they are on the college website under "Enrolments" and then "Fees", i have all info - where am i going to put such information? this given the new article sections. Thanks
Smbarnzy14:07, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Taking it out there
I have just posted this on the WP Western Australia project talk page -
An editor has just ran into the railway station xxxx. Perth naming system - and started converting only to find the whole metro area station names have this moniker ( even the freo one which reads weird to say the least) - after the rather awkard re-name from a sock (which bothers me that such can happen) regarding all Perth arts - the issue that arises - what do we do with a whole heap of Perth railway stations? Are they in Perth? Western Australia? or are they stand alone unless the need to disambiguate occcurs? I eagerly await responses SatuSuro 13:29, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I do hope you dont mind me doing that - I think WP Perth is quieter than WP West Aust - and WP West Aust is more likely to have a better response.
SatuSuro13:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for that - aargh I have my watch lists infested by the dam cydebot's following up on that stupid sock! grrr, better tag more stubs before I say something inappropriate!
SatuSuro14:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Categorisation
Stop it; I'm blushing.
Would it be a violation of POINT if I re-rooted the entire lattice at
Category:Aquinas College, Perth just to see what it looked like?
Yeah, riiiight. In hindsight, getting the joke requires understanding that the Wikipedia category structure is a
Galois lattice. What was I thinking?! I'm afraid I win the nerd race for today. :-(
Hesperian05:07, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Didnt think youd be up this late :) Had also alerted another admin as well - it all happened so quick. Not sure what you'd do - or if the other guys in there as well, sorry to have bothered at this time!
SatuSuro15:25, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for interrupting the groundbreaking work - but Australian Literature and Gamelan have just had vndls and I am a bit confused as to which template to use for them _ ive checked through the template warnings page - and I would appreciate some advice on that
SatuSuro01:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Good question. I say "it", because if "team" is plural, what is "teams"?
Consistency within the article should also be a consideration. If you're going to write "they participated in the first Test match in 1877", then you should also change the opening sentence to
"The Australian cricket team, together with the English cricket team, are the joint oldest team in Test cricket having played their first Test match in 1877."
The image [
| Justice_Day_Picture.jpg]you markes as a possible unfree image could very well be a photo taken by sm barnzy as him and myself are both students attending the school. Students such as myself and possibly him are often taking pictures on behalf of the school. One example is in the 2006 school annual which includes pictures taken by myself. I cannot at all confirm that this image is smbarnzy's own work however I beleive there is an extremely high chance of the image genuinely being his.
I would appreciate your understanding and would ask you to rethink your descition and possibly remove the tag if you belive this would be appropriate.
I seem to have memories of previous and the footwork both creating cats to do with wa govt - I might have confused the users - but I think there is a need for something on the wa project talk to nut out the possibility of dupe cats re govt. I could be wrong.
SatuSuro 09:37, 13 January 2007 (UTC) Also I think soundbloke needs to be on an admins watch :)
SatuSuro 10:34, 13 January 2007 (UTC) Symodes and Fancyfootworks contrib pages should have clues both within the last two months i think
SatuSuro10:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2007/January/12 thank god rebeccas around - shes been maintaining a strong and steady stance on the delete/absorb railway station stubs issue as well
SatuSuro 04:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
There in lies the rub - its the heat that brings in the shakespearian mode of speech while the tv and ac are running fast in the background - you never know! Eternal vigilance in this is not enough, sigh....
SatuSuro 04:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Places_of_local_interest#Railway_Stations is the other one - slow drawn out and wordy
SatuSuro04:25, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
The KP Repeat reverter need putting down - will you do it? (i think the count is 6 times now if you check v carefully)
SatuSuro02:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Under two separate isp number same behaviour in december, and in january - maybe a compassionate putting down - may have lost a friend/family in Bali?
SatuSuro02:43, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
If thats the case -I am stumped - does blanking a paragraph about a memorial really help? does repeated (6x) blanking really help? I am not sure... no social work degree I am afraid...
SatuSuro02:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Please feel free to correct me if i am wrong at list of churches - but I dont think the entries should be links to external links?/
SatuSuro06:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Ta. My problem is if that it goes through the hundreds of indonesia geography stubs that are tagged as such with the damned category notice - I think I'd need a lot of counselling!!!!
SatuSuro10:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Yeah - one way - but I think if it has a Indonesia-geo-stub - that is close enough - and considering th sheer number - to tag for cats is aggravation from my perspective. BTW thanks for all the work on the Indon-Aust arts that youve been doing - beware you might get the indonesian bug - I could point you to approximately 1700 articles needing help :)
SatuSuro10:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Its ok I am ok with it all -bar external awb interefence - I am about to go through the Lonely Plaent guide book and cf with the whole indonesian project list of articles - that'll mean my field of operation will be approximately 3,000 separate items if i do the job properly - the sight of awb or bot thingies will have me rushing for admins sympathetic to the hand made system :)
SatuSuro10:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Yup - bet the blocked ones back again... :)
SatuSuro 12:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC) (I mean maybe a checkuser is needed if gets to the equiv of 3x 3rr/s )
SatuSuro12:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I am sure liam was at wait/curtin doing an english course (or at least part of it when he was v young - ie straight from school - but I might be wrong...
SatuSuro13:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh well another night on wikipedia... I am about to put more names onf the 'why isnt there an article on....' - I am sure Bob Maumill needs one - and some older names of radio as well...
SatuSuro13:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
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A response to my actions and AWB
First let me apologize to my lateness in response. I assure you, I do not run from confrontations and this is necessary to be resolved.
SatuSuro, what you need to do to and where you need to go to have an argument about this is to come on to my talk page, which you have done. Perhaps it was not still going, just running faster than your list could be updated. The machine is not to blame, I am. However, I would never choose disrupt and annoy. I only seek to edit for improvement.
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AWB is an excellent tool, and I will use it responsibly and usefully.
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Tragic Baboon18:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
The big history question: snaphots of australian history vol 2 (Chap.39) 2000, Clarke,F.G. 1943- . Kangaroo Press (Simon & Schuster) . is not the best reference for this article. You may remember the ABC radio program. The article is called "Aborigines and Pearling". He gives these references:
Davis, Richard 1998 The Ghost Guide to Australia, Bantam: Sydney
Reynolds, Henry 1990,With the White People; The Crucial Role of Aborigines in the Exploration and Development of Australia, Penguin: Ringwood
Stannage, C. T. (ed) 1981. A New History of Western Australia, (UWA) Press: Nedlands
I will have a go if you don't think the ref is 'secondary source'? He is usually Ok, but the prose is a bit heavy handed sometimes, but not as much as Pilger, say. Ta for encouragement, such an important industry has probably sought to suppress the shameful aspects of history. I think Diamonds suffered from bad press at one stage. Lives per carat and all that.
Fred10:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I am not happy using this reference. If one or two other people whose opinion I value were to ok it I would go ahead. Sorry that wasn't clear.
Fred10:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Welcome back BTW :) I'm working on Hamersley atm - see my comments/questions on Hesperian's talk page (to avoid talk spamming :)
Orderinchaos7804:27, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Quick favour if you're still around - could you very quickly look over the new lead for
Hamersley? Mainly looking for anything obviously wrong or disjointed, as I realise the lead's the first bit people see.
Orderinchaos7813:59, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Think the contributions list show I've been travelleing down some very strange paths (some of the admins in the strangest places and topics---) over the last couple - the running away to bunbury feels good already probably monday to thursday then rotto on the worst day in the year - friday - I used to live and work in the old rotto tearooms in the late 60's ......sigh, my first 100 dollars!
SatuSuro11:49, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Absolutely crazy - seasick prone wife and enthusiastic daughter - when I worked the tearooms we had extra staff and shift for that day ...
SatuSuro11:55, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
i appears that i have screwed up this page
Aquinas College, Perth badly, if you go to edit the page - you can see all of the info including stuff on middle, senior school, sports, and all that stuff in the Student life section, and then on the article, you cant see it? all i have done is added loads of references and that sort of stuff, can you help? thanks
Smbarnzy15:28, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
The shield actually starts the year before, with one (or two) event/s from the previous year (2006) contributing to the next (2007) shield, i cant remember which one (possibly house esteddford or academic points)...but thats basically it.
Smbarnzy14:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Sterling and currency, and currency?
I think you were right the first time, regarding the cost of town hall. Converted to when? A bargain, if current prices?!
Fred12:39, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I tried a couple of times. Particuarly important in this 'arena', possibly one of my first edits. I should have asked somebody how. I notice a non-visible change there now.
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That's cool. Perhaps you could add something to that effect to the article. The reason it didn't strike me as notable was because I didn't know that "rising above the convict class" was "very unusual for the time". Adding some context will help. Thanks,
Fang Ailitalk01:50, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Also the originator of the issue in the west looks like another young'n.... I've done my bit I have little or no tolerance for that sort at the moment - you might need to put it on watch!
SatuSuro 10:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC) I added a few more bits - but I think I'll sat away for a while after my points made... otherwise I'll get done for harrasment I am sure.
SatuSuro11:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Definitely not a locality - should be merged into
Forrestfield (it is a significant facility but probably not worthy of an article - see
[2]) - On checking Forrestfield I note it's in fact already there.
Orderinchaos7804:06, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Re: Streetsmart, Hartfield Park is entirely in Wattle Grove. Forrestfield is on the other side of the road.
petedavo10:03, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Opinion needed btw - is the referencing in the lead for
Hamersley too distracting? Everything referenced there is also/will also be referenced in the article, so I'm not sure quite which way to do it.
Orderinchaos7804:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. The way I've done it now, if the FAC reviewers want them gone, they can be removed easily with no consequences to the rest of the article. I've just finished writing a geek-friendly historical public transport section which I'll need to think about how to present (maybe another map is called for)
Orderinchaos7806:08, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Congratulations! I've lost count... umm it is number....? Also - thanks for cleaning up on the unsigned batavia talk page message - I have got lazy with that issue of identifying unsigned persons or numbers-...
SatuSuro12:05, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Been on too long again today - answered on my own talk page again - It was Bunbury and a very very quick trip to just short of Cape Leeuwin - I now have digital images for St Allouarn Islands/Cape Leeuwin Islands - at Bunb ury a huge number of town shots from the hills - and a whole range of the old harbour and the new harbour and the lechenault cut taken from the boat - from the swimming with the dolphins cruise in koombana bay (it was so nice and cold in the water even with wetsuits on) as well as a whole lot of rushed shots of parts of the bunbury to augusta highway - as well as the flinders bay railway station site where I copied the whole of the historical society display about flinders bay jetty and In the deli/cafe on the wall there is, wait for it - a photo of me at about 1 year old in a pram in front of the post office bei ng pushed by the post mistress of 1952 - but thats a longer off wiki story.... go on which number is your DYK? SatuSuro 12:16, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Also I have a collection of the building types in that horrible brick and tile mess called port bouvard what a rabbit warren - thats next to the dawesville cut (some shots from there) yuk, go on - is it over 50 yet?
SatuSuro12:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for adding wa=yes to batavia. Is it protected, I was having problems. I invited (the) Mike Dash to have another look. You can raid my wine cellar anytime, Moondyne.
Fred12:33, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
my mistake, browser problem and glimpsed "(Protected)" near what I now know are transcluded templates. Some very fancy ones. Thought Australia template was protected also. Regards
Fred
And the barges catch alight - I have suggested to frederick (not the ship) that we have a gallery sub page of photos or images that have been used on the project page - what do you think?
SatuSuro04:58, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Someone who was there at the time told me by phone, I was surprised to not hear about it until nearly 24 hours later. Also the power cuts all over the city which haven't been given more than a byline anywhere.
Orderinchaos7812:34, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I would really appreciate a watch on southern ocean - I will email a reason later - have to take the dog for a walk first....
SatuSuro11:43, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Great minds think alike - I spotted the same cul-de-sac article when doing another section, then thought "I must go back and update that" only to find it already had been :) Efficiency plus!
Orderinchaos7801:12, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Yep, that and History are being rewritten. The history section contains several sentences from a previous version that have been invalidated or made redundant by further research at present. My main worry is keeping this at an acceptable size, as it's starting to get long and pick up a large number of references (the Demographics won't add any as the named Census refs are already in there)
Orderinchaos7801:53, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Eek... 38k and I haven't done the HDS or demographics yet. I think I'll just do it all anyway and we can call in the troops and decide what stays and what gets pushed out into other articles.
Orderinchaos7805:09, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey just followed your fixing it - I think we need to let the others know too...:)
SatuSuro 01:15, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Ta - I think section 7 and 12.2 should be cross referenced in some way what do you think?
SatuSuro 01:34, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Glad to see at least one vegemite is not fessed about anything - have been in the demilitarised (ironic) zone for a few days - enough flak for a years editing it feels like, anyways one plods on into real life :)
Maybe I hadnt properly explained the issue from yesterday - I thought if an author of a book that writes up a summary of the book on the wikipedia page or article with the same name that that consititutes conflict of interest?
SatuSuro 01:46, 29 January 2007 (UTC) Also youre not shy - there is as the meaning of life on your user page! (dyk number that is)
SatuSuro01:54, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
My talk page note to myself from Luna Santin the checkuser clerk lets him off the hook - as long as he is kept on the straight and narrow. I know some eds who would have shot him out of the water - but thats them - I think if you are able to get co-operation - I know one admin who would want something beyond primary sources as well - sorry to be telling you what to do tone - but offline I could give you long story about some afd trends in strange places that would wipe out one newbie in tas and another indonesian one just like that from the shoot first think after brigade... :) anyways let hope we see more encyc tone and more from... cheers
SatuSuro 04:50, 29 January 2007 (UTC) BTW I have a copy of the book - might remember to bring it thursday...:)
SatuSuro 04:54, 29 January 2007 (UTC) Henri? nah - its looks better on the history to see another name anyways
SatuSuro05:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Nightmare de las senor SatuSuro silly man.
Leeuwin Naturaliste National Park article is a mess - and a stub - it needs substantial development.
Localities (apart from your karridale one) all need substantial development
Surfing breaks need an article (have part of that in my long stagnant sandbox page)
Group Settlement in the region needs a detailed article/list of setttlements along the tline
Railway partly done in my Flinders bracnh art - need timber ones too
Hamelin and Flinders as ports either need devloiping or sep arts
Islands partly done by the Leeuwin islands art - need along coast as welll...
Books about the region - like parts of tassie - heavily documented - either into locality arts, or...
Also imho Leeuwin Naturaliste ridge - all the details should exist within the national park art until it is too big then its own artcile -
SatuSuro05:55, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Guelphia?
The new WA map is fascinating. I vaguely recall something of this proposal. I never knew of a map. On the subject of libraries and images, have any major australian collections been released with a suitable copyright. Do you know if it worth asking LISWA for images or generally a waste of time.
Fred09:51, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
So can I upload pre'55 photos and paintings of Rischbieth I have found? I am starting draft. -
Fred
I assume that "all your hard work" boiled down to two find-replaces: ==[[ -> ==''[[ and ]]== -> ]]''==. If you did the job manually, you deserve what you get ;-)
Once I've learned a convention, I usually completely forget that it was ever necessary for me to learn it, so am surprised when someone of your stature hasn't got it yet. I must bear that in mind: even a veteran such as your good self can be new to a field, so
WP:BITE applies to everyone.
Hesperian04:22, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the link. I spurn big .js addons now - too much chrome. But that one is nice and modest. Pasting into notepad is okay for some things, but for others one needs a decent regexp find-replace. I'll give it a go.
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No, don't go! I was enjoying the company. If the interest in flora remains, I'm very happy to clean up the odd mess until you get up to speed.
Hesperian04:19, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
<- The interest is definitely there. Maybe I need to read a primer of taxonomical conventions because it's just about Japanese to me at this time. —
Moondyne04:31, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Like,
what does the 'ms' means in "Chamelaucium croxfordiae ms"; and the 'aff' in "Schoenus aff. clandestinus".
and why have a Wikispecies database at all - what is it for that en: can't do, and when should we link to it directly in an en: article
and in florabase, is there a way if filtering for a geographical area.
Neither are particularly important. Ideally, every known species should have a validly published name. But sometimes publication takes a while, and when you're working at the coalface of botany, you can't afford to wait around for a species to be published before you can refer to it; e.g. you wouldn't want to have to wait for a species to be published before you can list it as endangered. So botanists give their specimens unofficial names in the interim. If a botanist finds a specimen that looks rather like Schoenus clandestinus, but also looks a bit different, and might be a new species, or a new subspecies or variety of S. clandestinus, they give it the unofficial name Schoenus aff. clandestinus, which literally means "the Schoenus with an affinity with S. clandestinus". Further down the track, if a botanist has chosen a name for their new species and written a formal description, but that description has not yet been published, then the name is only a "manuscript name", so is appended with "ms". See discussion at Jacksonia for example.
A good question, which I can't really answer, but could easily rant about. I wouldn't ever cite Wikispecies; I just use the {{wikispecies}} template in the external links section.
Only by biogeographic area. But this won't help you, as
Dryandra Woodland in on the border of
Avon Wheatbelt and
Jarrah Forest. Avon Wheatbelt runs from Mullewa to Southern Cross to Tenterden, so it isn't much help if you want to know what occurs within a small location.
I meant in the article proper; passing mention of a botanist who completely revised the genus, then passed away without getting it published, resulting in lots of "ms" species.
Hesperian06:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Meetup etc
Good to catch up again - I realised I had a number of conversations I had wanted to have - didnt get around to it - will try email later in weekend
SatuSuro07:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Great to meet you. Ta again for assistance in past. Buy you a beer anytime.
Fred P.S. Would you mind getting Bessie images from Henrietta sometime. I'm reluctant for some reason. I still have lots of work to do on her article, so no hurry. -
Fred
It helps me to see someone else do it first, for some strange reason. There are so many fierce notices about copyright, due I suppose to the litigation potential. I uploaded to commons this
Ta. I meant to ask if that happens there or here. I noticed that there was a page of some sort here for your addition. Does that happen automatically? Regards,
Fred03:55, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
You answered my question, sorry for clumsy wording. My heading is reeling with possibilities for image uploads I previously thought unavailable. I used to think that pages here (on en.) linked to the commons, but I now see that another page needs to here as well. Do I have something else to do?
Fred04:42, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for a complete explanation of that. I have never used image software so I will give that a go too. There are a lot of images with NLA tags across the bottom, I assume I can strip those off. Three pints, and counting, I owe you. Cheers,
Fred
Adding to list - it looks like a dubious list to me - but i suppose its to gather in ones that wont have separate articles about them... another dubious is the forrest place and chase separate arts - what do you think? I just asked gnang As welll
SatuSuro14:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Ivde just linked woodman point and george seddon - if i go down the path of creating a susan tingay - its a back door entry into the csnf and darling scarp issues - I could do a project on the darling scarp alone - apart from the current 3 fires i can smell around me... sigh
SatuSuro05:05, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
fair enough - maybe not today but probably within the week - some would consider sned the showperson - and robert the quiet achiever - the tingays when i get them up are now very private - but during the csnf high times of the late 70;s they were almost more celeb than sned at the time. I understand your point - will follow up -
SatuSuro05:15, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
The thing about anybody who has been in the environ cause thingy - tingays and powell and a few others - is that they produced academically sound materials for the fight (and I will only pursue that off wiki at this stage) while the proponents had as about much science as a horse doctors bucket with slops - it has taken the proponents thirty years to work through what the people were saying in the 70's. So off to gmail I go
SatuSuro 05:19, 5 February 2007 (UTC) swent - you should have it
SatuSuro05:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Email - (re that project - god knows another distracttion) - anyways - there were Hovea, JFNP west end (v close tto ghighway and swan view) , and a mysterious lot of smoke from south east corner of mahogany creek (or south west mundaring on your metro road maps) that the bomber plane was seen towards (very unusual- usually only 4 helicopters around bu the old water bombers in the air means theyre stretched) I sort of locked myself in on the computer - will check the air outside soon - but the hovea one sounded the worst - thanks for asking...
SatuSuro06:02, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
More editing tangents than I can poke a stick at! will try to get to cite format you did on gibbney west cite - just a bit of practice needed for newspaper cites
SatuSuro 11:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC) Getting idea of which way you are re-organising as well - the see also - etc - will take note...
SatuSuro11:43, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey Moond, Ive created the articles in
Matthew Gibney,
Redmond Prendiville and
Paul Keaney but they arent all that crash hot, just a few basic bits on them. You said we shud do it in the peer review of Aquinas College, Perth. Just telling you =)
But the real reason i am here is to ask why you have deleted the pages; Grounds at Aquinas College, Perth, Buildings at Aquinas College, Perth and Houses at Aquinas College, Perth =) please explain. thanks
Smbarnzy12:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
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and on and on..
I gotta get off now - but I think the distinction is clear that we have either the phone book or the government website to distinguish between the two types - cheers
SatuSuro01:56, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for cleaning up the f-media art - the history would have told the story - funny forgetting to check the history - could you please put the blanking user on your watch... (trying to get off...)
SatuSuro02:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Swims - do i need them - I need to use my pool more often! - what with the eastern staters - I can feel my wikistreess leevel go up veerry high - am about (in next week or so) to try to make about 15 stubs to knock the bloody tothersiders out of dabbling with local environment groups - have started conservation council of wa - planning to do environment centre of wa, campaign to save native forests, lyn serventys's leeuwin conservation group, article on beth schultz, south west forest defence foundation, woodchipping protest in south western australia, bauxite mining protest in south west western australia (maybe darling scarp instead), campaign against nuclear energy (there is a book about that thank god), there is already a rachel siewart article anyway, - then there are a couple of other groups that i will probably include - and with impeccable WP N and WP V to keep the afd button b--s out of my hair - dont worry if i send you a few hsyterical emails as i do this - no response will be required as per usual!
SatuSuro14:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Good
That you are not buying into the different uses of the word, - however at that indicated 'to do' item - the people who work at that 'to do' had me laughing - I used to share a house with one, have the low down on two earlier partners of another, and have been employed by another.... sigh - I wouldnt even share on email of what I think of one of them - but the other two - well thats another story....
SatuSuro04:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
CricketWatch
I tagged all the new categories and updated the watchlist. Right now, tagging can't happen automatically (and I don't think it really should, since there are sometimes mistakes). Anytime you want me to retag though, just leave a note on my talk page, and I'll take care of it.
Ingrid16:24, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Looks good
Rot. Will need to reverse engineer your table format - have some issues in some of my west coast tas arts would improve if I could get the hang...
SatuSuro00:44, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Bibbulman track - the hilights wiould need a box if it was properly done - with coords and locations - and the list of maps bit i reckon could do great with headings rather than repeated words... for instance.. more later
SatuSuro04:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Briliantissimo! - thank you very much for that it changes the article! could you please have a,ook at Martine Lock - i think we have a vanity article probably by the person herself
SatuSuro06:01, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Shucks - you did the cleanup - i must return the favour some time - It was another classic one that I really thought it was worth looking at in awe- one that had got away....
SatuSuro09:16, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
For some reason I was reluctant to follow up on the shocker... anyways re the category issue I am sitting on my distinction between the activism and the act - but realise in the end - if there is signs that elsewhere in other projects or other parts there are signs of conflating the distinction that I insist upon - that I'm offering the first two rounds next meetup if conclusive proof from other parts of wikipeda that there is one blanket term for activism and the procedure of the act fo conservation...
SatuSuro02:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your pointing out! However, It was according to the
map from the sunset coast official website, they ran the same ways just be drawn in different orientations, just let me know it you've any further subjection.--
Alfeewusy08:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
As for the western shield it dosnt get rid of the foxes in the darling scarp/range area - was only just talking about that this morning - unprintable here - but nevertheless foxes need culling at edge of metro area definitely!
SatuSuro14:14, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Interesting thanks for that will probably have a mundaring shire eac meeting next week or two - must ask for the officila standard versionfor mdg area...
SatuSuro14:34, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
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Mocko1322:19, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Your mistaken - regarding "baiting"
Where have you been? Are you not aware that there's an effort to ban me?
Hi Moondyne ... Thanks so much for your kind comments and support on the GWN AfD page.
They were much appreciated. Kind regards, --
Greatwalk00:22, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Henrietta
has some good refs on the bold park area - not the reservoir specifically - will doyble check the most relevant later - gott go...
SatuSuro 01:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
delayed - will try to get a handle later on about the cite thing - please feel free to move/edit my pickings - just getting them during this short extra time ive got...
SatuSuro02:01, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I know! we're accessing two diff spurces - I gotta go to test my pool water now or never - would you like to do the honours please ? (gotta get over 42 DYK's, he says, gotta getta over 42...) :)
SatuSuro03:56, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Cruel - I was born ten years later... hmph... - I'll do a check on a round for ageism at the next meetup on that one ! i'm off down greenmount hill thinking of subtle payback issues apart from beer on that one :) - do the article - youve got a good range of sources there!
SatuSuro03:59, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks; it was. It is nice to know that people are finally starting to believe me when I say they are welcome to edit in my user subspace. It makes my ongoing inability to get this draft finished slightly more forgiveable.
Hesperian02:45, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Well i am coping with transport article - by finding no real substance or history in the oz cycling categories and articles, but might need help in the crikit if it gets off :)
SatuSuro05:01, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I half expected to see you
here. She gave a terrific lecture and I bought her book which is full of juicy biographical stuff. —
Moondyne16:16, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I didn't know about it, but I daresay I wouldn't have gone anyway. I won't elaborate because I don't want to colour your reading experience. When you've finished the book, feel free to ask me what I thought of it.
Hesperian04:21, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, it wasn't meant to be. Try again: I've read The Naming of Names. Based on my experience of the book, I probably wouldn't have made time to attend the event if I'd known it about it. I won't elaborate because I don't want my own opinion/experience of the book to colour your own reading experience.
Hesperian07:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
The things a bloke will listen to while he's waiting for the cricket to come on ;-) (Cue Sabrina laughing at own joke - A ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! )
Hesperian12:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
P.S. It didn't sound rude. Having established yourself as a good bloke who is not in the habit of attacking people, I generally don't hear rudeness in anything you say, no matter how careless you've been in writing (which is also something you're not). I daresay I'd take "you're a total arsehole" as a friendly jibe the first three times you said it to me. So that's one less thing you have to worry about. ;-)
Hesperian12:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Rose Byrne is another gary lucas - red link self made again (i bet only half pints this time)...could you please watch over my shoulder on that one - thanks
SatuSuro14:45, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. That would have to be the most blatant puff piece in the history of the universe. How can you write an encyclopaedia article about Bondy and fail to mention that he was convicted of fraud and sent to jail after presiding over the biggest corporate collapse in Australian history?! Absolutely astonishing.
Hesperian03:06, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey vanity work in wikipedia seems to be the story of the day... (just welcomed 2 of the perth mod eds wonder if they'll turn into the same...)
SatuSuro03:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
If you're paying for good advice, you should get good advice. And good advice in this case is "Alan, people aren't going to forget that they had to pay a W.A. Inc levy on their car rego renewals for ten years to save their state following Bond Corp down the toilet. So if you want to spruce up your image, we should run a 'Bondy has changed' angle, not a 'Lets pretend it never happened' angle."
Hesperian03:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
merge
I put my comments on both talk pages after putting in the talk page header... i reckon a lot depends on whether the diocesan article is well expanded beyond what it is - otherwise either untouched - yes...
SatuSuro06:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Bomberphone - I have alerted longhair anmd hesp to this one - not sure whether who might be first to it - suspect it needs to be put down as hoax and rubbish
SatuSuro23:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
When you've got a spare five, can I trouble you to check your access to the external links in the references at Banksia epica, and remove any that you can't get to? I have online access to papers that are restricted to the general populace, so may have unknowingly linked to material that is generally inaccessible.
Hesperian22:57, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
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Chowbok☠02:25, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I dispute that from my experience and will gladly work on it, and defend it. Take care barnsey you are out of court on that one!
SatuSuro02:32, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
it could make a good article, but is it notable? there are thousands of schools in the world, and thousands of school chapels too - by allowing this school to have an article on its chapel (that is unref - except for the external link) you would be opening the flood gates for other schools including
Aquinas College, Perth to have an article on its chapel (i will make one if i you allow GGS to have one). Aquinas couldn't even have an article on all of its buildings let alone its chapel. in summary: i think notability is the largest issue (sure its heritage listed - but so are many buildings).
Smbarnzy03:28, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
That is a rather disturbing message. My take on this is:
Moondyne is under no obligation to nominate the article for AfD on Smbarnzy's behalf;
If Moondyne doesn't choose to do Smbarnzy's dirty work for him, that doesn't mean that Moondyne likes the article;
Smbarnzy is welcome to create an article on
Aquinas College Chapel if he thinks that would improve the encyclopaedia;
Since Smbarnzy has already expressed his opinion that
Guildford Grammar School Chapel should be deleted as non-notable, and considering that Guildford Grammar School Chapel is heritage listed and Aquinas School Chapel is not, it is very hard to see how Smbarnzy could possibly think that Aquinas School Chapel was a sufficiently notable subject for an article;
I wish to take issue with Smbarnzy's editing of the guildford and guildgford prep school article at the same time as this particular discussion occurs. It strongly suggests that there is no interest in actual editing, but simply making a point.
SatuSuro08:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I must this is an unusual place to have a discussion about the deletion on an article or whether its sufficiently notiable. Even more remarkable is that Moondyne has been able to watch this occur without participating. Anyhow I'm closing this
WP:AFD discussion with the result being keep as heritage listing is sufficient to establish notiability.
Gnangarra11:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
By the way, Moondyne, (using your talk page to talk to you - fancy that) I don't agree that not all heritage listed buildings are notable. What is the heritage assessment process if not a rigorous assessment of a building's notability?
Hesperian10:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I would agree with that - heritage listing in itself is a sufficient condition to ascertain {[WP:N]] and the documentation is sufficient for
WP:V - otherwise - there would be not point in having a heritage list...
SatuSuro11:17, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
although maybe not always for an article? A heritage listed building may be worth a short discussion in another parent article like say MOST of the country roads board offices/halls/police stations/railway stations are heritage listed but you'd probably just list them under the town they're in...
DanielT507:30, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Indeed - at the level that Daniel is talking about - that may be the case - but:-
My post above was made very specifically about the level of listing which the GGS chapel achieved - a state heritage listing.
There are up to 5 levels of heritage - what daniel is talking about is municipal heritage listings - at the bottom of the scale and I would never consider that level as having an criteria with equating to V or N anyways.
1 - municipal heritage registers - which end up on heritage council database - and can be confused with the next level many times - most if not all items at this level if not on hgiher levels are not necessarily notable....
2 - state register - which is what ggs chapel is at
3 - national trust register - usually notable due to the structures that they nominate
4 - national heritage register - automatically
5 - world heritage register - automatically
Wikipedia has insufficient information about the distinction for what it all means, and no article that delineates these distinctions and links issues between states of australia - a sad lack for a busy place...
SatuSuro07:59, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
To be honest, i would like to see the PSA articles some upto a higher standard, i am a huge lover of the PSA, my reasoning was that it has been suggested that it be merged for an extremely long time (i cannot remember a time when it wasnt suggested to be merged) and i thought it was time someone did something, maybe i shouldnt take the wiki-law into my own hands =P apologies - but ive put my 3c on the talk page =) thanks for the pointer
Smbarnzy12:34, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
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Ozgod21:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
review
Could you please do a once over of my work in 'swill' my second sandbox? I would really appreciate any suggestions/copyedits - as its opened more rabbit holes for me than i can cope with so i want to get it out before it fouls its nest :)
SatuSuro 03:08, 24 February 2007 (UTC) funny I am sure i have known offspring of both the subjects of the unfinished premier articles - perth was small- no one ever realises... sigh
SatuSuro 03:10, 24 February 2007 (UTC) Thank you very much - as a stub (!) planning to find more later about both the manjimup and bauxite thingsies - appreciate the tick !
SatuSuro03:36, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Playing in my sandbox
Of course, but Sats wants an email 'to and fro' re. this. I will put you on cc. Cheers -
Fred13:36, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
P.S. I will look at your contrib in a mo. -
Fred
Misunderstanding understood - my apologies - cheers thanks for clarification - will sort that dont you worry about that ... heheh
SatuSuro02:34, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Block
Dear Moondyne,
You have blocked me from editing. I was the person (IP address) who inserted the phrase "reference needed" because the list of common German surnames, when I viewed it, had the surname "Hitler" in the number one spot (with a percentage of 0.95). I even clicked on the name as it linked to the Hitler Wikipediea entry. It has since been changed to "Muller". Since I have been blocked, please (presumably you have some sort of power to do this -it's quite simple I'm told) remove my comment as I don't doubt Mueller is the most common name; and please don't call me a vandal.
Only just bumped into this tonight when an unknown ed (to me) plonked a photo in - the convention found when working on the railway station titles was that someone had started it and others followed...
(cur) (last) 16:07, 10 January 2007 Moondyne (Talk | contribs) m (moved Swan View railway station, Perth to Swan View railway station: No need for disambiguation here, besides, its not in Perth anyway)
I have mislaid the ref/link to where was last had talk about this issue- and the possible resolution - whether to leave the convention or alter the lot - can you remember?
SatuSuro12:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I have been to AUDA's website to find information in regards to why there domain names were removed. However there is no information there. An article and promotion of Renai Lemai is irrelevant and unless you can provide a reference from AUDA i'd suggest you stop adding spam links
AustralianTraveller21:46, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
So you are saying that the press and the stories in it are reliable? Come off it mate. Find a reference to the information from AUDA.. I'm looking for one and can't find one. I don't care if the information stays there. ZDNET promotion and unverifiable content is a breech of policy. Encyclopedic content must be verifiable..
AustralianTraveller22:10, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Complete misundertanding of what
WP:ATT is trying to say if you dont mind the latin - third party sources - not the source of the info - is what is needed = a complete lack of understanding of what wikipedia is about! A good read of introduction material is required before telling admins what to do !!!
SatuSuro01:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
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That's because I fixed it, but lacked the courtesy to let you know.
Apologies to you, Gnangarra, Fred, SatuSuro and others for not acknowledging your recent messages. It feels like everyone wants a piece of me lately, so I've started ignoring/deferring people. Ironically, the people I start to ignore first, are those whom I can trust not to take offence, who invariably are the people most deserving of a response.
Hesperian02:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
If my verbal responses are being transferred telepathically, I'm in deep NPA trouble. :-)
Actually, I'm a little surprised you said you're aware of it, because I wasn't sure if it was a reality or a state of mind. My talk page wouldn't seem to bear out the notion that I'm busy. Indeed it is much cleaner since we got WP:WA up.
Things can't be that bad so long as I'm still being nice to my friends. On that note, you had better get those two equals signs off the bottom of my talk page RIGHT NOW before I report you at AIV!
I understand Wikipedia's policy. However, that link was suitable and relevant to the page (Logo) on which it was placed. I think some spammer had deleted that link as it was listed on that page for 4 months (I think). It would be useful for Wikipedia readers to get further information about Logos through this website, which is directly related with the topic.
Flaminia07:40, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
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Email
11pm tues email - if you can creep into my talkpage at this time of night - i need to share an issue quickly... 14:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Looks like every school kid in the UK has hit school computers at the end of the day for some page blanking and nonsense editing
Gnangarra15:43, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
On B. i. last night while I was offline (indulging my other hobby). Nice to check in this morning and discover you stepping into the breach.
Hesperian23:13, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I replaced the warnings. There was some issues with my reversion. After I unblocked them, they blanked the page. I reverted it but wanted to assume good faith on there part so just replaced A.B. identification of the IP address. It was apparently a msitake and I have replaced the warnings. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
-- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider)00:30, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
The range 66.93.251.112 - 66.93.251.127 is
registered to Games Plus, Inc. -- I suggest you consider blocking the whole range. To date I'm aware of problematic edits in connection with this issue from:
I wish to dispute the validity of your claims with a higher level moderator.
I'm not sure if you are aware, but the current conversation has moved from iGames to the validity of the articles only current external link DMOZ which is of very poor quality. I have tried twice now to replace the link with a high quality categorized list of lan gaming centers and had it removed for what seems to be no reason at all other then yourself being bent on a warpath.
Please explain your reasoning as to why DMOZ should be linked in the article and why LanAtomic.com should not be linked in the article. —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
Mwarhead (
talk •
contribs)
01:26, 28 February 2007 (UTC).
Perhaps you could lend a hand. I'm laughing too hard since I was searching google for info about non-cricket stuff for Harbhhajan and found that the
Times of India has plagiarised mine and many other wiki cricket bios! It imported POV and OR from whoever wrote the article as well. Particularly amused that my newbie violations of OR on
Irfan Pathan have resulted in tens and perhaps hundreds of millions of Indians thinking that he will captain India in the future. Hey I could become the new sensationalist
Robert Craddock! Blnguyen (
bananabucket)
08:18, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Signature Discomfort
Hi Moondyne
Just a question...
When I sign my posts with the four tidles, I do not have a link for Auroranorth. It appears as Auroranorth 11:20, 28 February 2007 (UTC), note no link. I took a look at
Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages and that confirmed that there was something wrong. When you sign your reply, it'll have a link included to your username. Thanks - Auroranorth 11:20, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll do that now. Auroranorth 12:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
WikiProject Biography
If you cast your eyes over to
this page, you'll notice that we've got around 100,000 articles to assess - so it's kind of a cut and paste job. Since the = no parameter does not show up, what is the harm in doing this?
Auroranorth12:20, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the help on the signature. I really do appreciate it! The articles I'm rating are usually stubs, and will probably stay that way (Have you ever heard of Agustin Tosco?). They are not likely to have more templates on them, and I really do think it looks neat.
Auroranorth12:28, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I need to do some real life things right now - if you want to do these before I come back, that's OK (but you probably have better things to do!). I'll be back soon and if you decide not to do them, I'll certainly do them.
Auroranorth12:34, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
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Mocko1321:53, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
My apologies for soiling you work of art... there maybe those few who visit the page who need the obvious to be explained?
SatuSuro 11:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
OK - hey I'll take it offf. Hey sounds like I should find you some humour (I'll neede it picking number one from the mercedes post ball partey at 3e abloodym)
SatuSuro 12:18, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
We've been sprung!
SatuSuro 12:24, 2 March 2007 (UTC) Reality (heheh your comments heheh) is a little more complex - he seems to be going to at least 5 balls this year, and he hasnt got around
to getting his own suit yet...
SatuSuro 12:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC) You got it
SatuSuro12:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Banksia
Dryandra is no longer a current taxon. Every former Dryandra species is now a Banksia species, and should be referred to by its new name... except for Dryandra prionotes, which Mast and Thiele forgot to give a new name, so in the short term its current name is invalid :-(
There's a hell of a lot of work involved in this. I'll be p*ssed if Alex George overturns the transfer in a month or so.
The publication is largely a nomenclatural rather than taxonomic work. e.g. they've published
Banksia ser. Spathulatae but haven't bothered to give a canonical list of the species that are in it. The taxonomy of Banksia is likely to be completely up in the air for a year or so, until someone gets around to publishing an updated arrangement. That's just fine with me, except that it makes it bloody hard to write about.
Also note each of the existing Dyrandra species articles are now redirects to their new banksia equivelants.
Gnangarra13:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Most botanists argue that all taxa should be
monophyletic. These botanists would see a
polyphyletic or
paraphyletic taxon as an error, and try to fix it. Some botanists argue that
phylogeny is not the be-all and end-all of
taxonomy, and that having polyphyletic and paraphyletic taxa is not necessarily a bad thing.
A good example is reptiles and birds. Birds evolved from reptiles, so
Sauropsida (reptiles) is paraphyletic with respect to
Aves (birds). Most botanists would argue that since birds evolved from reptiles, the taxonomy should treat birds as a kind of reptile e.g. birds as an order within the reptile class. Others argue that taxonomy isn't bound to reflect phylogeny i.e. it is acceptable to rank reptiles and birds alongside each other even though one evolved from the other.
I don't know if it is accurate to characterise George v Thiele as an argument along these lines; or whether George is just being a stick in the mud. All I know is: in '81 George published his classic taxonomic arrangement of Banksia; in '96 Thiele and Ladiges published a new arrangement based on
cladistics; in '99 George pretty much completely rejected their arrangement and went back to his own. So I wait with baited breath to see how George reacts to this latest piece of work.
I fear the above might be read as a suggestion that there's a bunfight going on, or about to start. In case you didn't see it on my talk page, Cas assures me that these debates are amicable.
Hesperian04:20, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the response - much appreciated, gt e hwy at 3.30 is remarkably free of traffic, all is well
SatuSuro02:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
It must have been the moon - i know nurses who work emergency wards fear it like death - indonesia, charles court, and all the rest.. the vndl police must have been sleeping off a drinking friday or something ...sigh
SatuSuro02:36, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Richard Court has been edited by two diff redlink isps which have put rubbish in - the second has summarised my rvv as blatant vandalism - trust you can see we are dealing with red linkers who cotton on how to make it look like white is black
SatuSuro14:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
What, like "spelling corrections" that introduce POV paragraphs and ethnic slurs to articles? Never :) You should know this does not happen on Wikipedia, our policies are the light sabre of righteousness that not only advises the rules and guidelines but actively prevents wrongdoing by even the most hardy soul by dazzling their eyes and remotely locking their keyboards.
Orderinchaos7804:14, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Hamersley
Thanks :) I'm now actively looking for my next target to get up there, although I'm going to spend a bit of time collaborating with DanielT5 on Wheatbelt articles in the near future - with me doing the facts and figures side of it and him doing the social and historical bits. We're still trying to decide what should go in shire and what in town though as the shires are actually more important than the towns out there - have had
some ideas but am still thinking about it.
Orderinchaos7816:00, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
I am happy to pass the Dryandra Woodland for GA per my review at its talk page - however, I am happy to leave it open for further feedback if you wish. When I'm less tired I might have another look through the prose (I seem to be having real problems sleeping last week or two :/ return-to-study anxiety sucks!)
Orderinchaos7804:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Article to edit?
Hi Moondyne - do you have any suggestions on a stub or non-existent article I could bring to FA without months of extensive research? Thanks,
Auroranorth08:56, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
It was a few months ago, so I can't remember. Someday I'll look through my contribs. I enjoy the Wikipedia Maintenance tasks, and I enjoy subjects that can be easily referenced. I don't want something that's already B class or higher. Something to do with Geography or Western Australia, maybe. Thanks in advance,
Auroranorth10:06, 4 March 2007 (UTC)