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Hello John, I'm writing the article on it.wiki for the WRWC 1994, but I need a source to back-up this statement you wrote. Can you please tell me where does it come from? Thanks in advance SERGIUS ( CATUS NIGER) 18:21, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for bringing your concerns to me. Allow me to try to address them.
1. I don't think it is grossly misleading or historically inaccurate whatsoever, but instead does a much better job of illuminating the progression of the tournament. The tournament was quite clearly a knockout competition. If one were to neglect the competition for positions 5-16, it would be a simple matter to condense the entire World Cup into a 16 team single elimination bracket. Each pool winner was in the championship playoff. Each losing pool finalist was in the 5-8 playoff. Each team that lost its first game but won its second had the third highest ranking in its pool and competed for 9-12. And of course the remaining teams competed for the 13-16 spots.
Unfortunately, the official sources are sorely lacking in information. However, I did find this website which shed some light on the matter ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/international/1981346.stm). The relevant paragraph: "New Zealand are due to clash with Australia in round two on May 18, unless Wales can overcome the severely under-ranked Wallaroos." I think this pretty clearly indicates that New Zealand's second round opponent was not pre-ordained, but was to be determined in a knockout-type fashion. I agree that my labels might need a bit of work.
2. Certainly this format is not acceptable for the 1994 or 2006 WRWC, or for any round-robin tournament. I think that a format that most accurately and clearly describes the tournament is more important than having unity of format throughout women's rugby (though that is also a laudable goal).
3. In the tables for the various matches, the location is shown. With every match being in Barcelona, repeating that information each time is kind of silly. Perhaps that would be a better place for the information which I removed (the serial tally of women's international matches, etc.). However, that brings up a couple of issues. For one, I really don't see the relevance of this information to the tournament itself. More importantly, unless I am mistaken (and please correct me if I am), that information really has no place on Wikipedia. Is there an official source for it? An unofficial source even? Or does this qualify as "original research"? If so, it doesn't really belong.
3. (And good pun, by the way, repeating the number 3 while making a point about repetitive information...) Yeah, you're probably right. Alanmjohnson ( talk) 19:14, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
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Thank you very much for your edits on women's rugby, but the information should really go on the main page, i.e. "rugby union in X" rather than the men's national team page. I have moved some of your material onto rugby union in Venezuela etc, and will change some of the rest in due course.-- MacRusgail ( talk) 13:57, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
I must disagree. These pages are not labelled or titled as being exclusively for information about the men's national teams - they are titled as the "national team" pages. Women's teams are as much national teams as their men's equivalents. Furthermore this information refers specifically to the women's national teams, NOT the playing of women's rugby in each country, and as such it would be inappropriate for the information to be placed on the general page (particularly in the case of Venezuela as the national team have never played a home fixture in Venezuela!). Please could you leave the sections on the national team page. Johnlbirch ( talk)
In which case you must say so. As things stand these pages are misleading as there is nothing to suggest that they are EXCLUSIVELY about men's teams (indeed some are definitely not - see Andorra, for example). Rugby is not a sport just for men and it would not be unreasonable for someone looking for information about Venezuela's national women's team to look to this page (at the moment there are only women's pages for countries who have played test rugby). In addition in many of the minor countries the men's and women's teams have a very close, common, history. As the 2016 Olympics draw closer (where men's and women's teams will have exactly equal status) this will become more of an issue. Johnlbirch ( talk)
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Hello, I'm looking for some sources for 2003 tournament. Here are only results of the last round - from where you have all the rest? Miodzio3 ( talk) 09:20, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
I've taken over coverage of women's sevens rugby on Wikipedia in the last year from the previous editor. Originally all scores were on just one, huge, page ( List of women's rugby sevens competitions)- what I did was move separate regional tournaments onto separate pages, which is how this page was started.
I do not know where he got the earlier scores from - though I do know that he got quite a lot of information from host unions and FIRA (including the FIRA website, as it appeared at the time). The data seems to be widely used by FIRA and others, and no-one seems to have objected to anything Johnlbirch ( talk) 09:38, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
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John, your work on wikipedia, scrumqueens and other sites is so great that you could be called "the encyclopedia of women's rugby union". But I don't know why #957 women's international rugby union match is missing. Killer4979 ( talk) 16:24, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Because a previously missing match from the 1990s has been found and I have not got round to renumbering everything yet! Johnlbirch ( talk) 22:31, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
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I think we may be duplicating our efforts.
I created an article for the 2014 São Paulo Women's Sevens, but I see you're adding the results in South American Women's Sevens. I was under the impression that the South American Women's Sevens page was for the CONSUR tournament, though, and that São Paulo was sufficiently different. Grande ( talk) 18:30, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
Hey. You do lots of editing on Women's rugby, so I was hoping you could help me out. I recently created Gill Burns and am having trouble finding many reliable sources. I was wondering if you had, or knew of, any reliable sources on her other than those listed in the article's references? I can't even find a date and place of birth for her! -- Shudde talk 11:39, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
A fair amount of information on RFU.com, including http://www.rfu.com/images/museum/pdfs/exhibition/museum_pioneers.pdf Johnlbirch ( talk) 12:48, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
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== Oceania Championship 2014 == 3–4 October 2014, [[Shire of Noosa|Noosa]], Australia.<ref name = foru-3-10-2014>{{cite web |date= 3 October 2014 |title= Big Guns Progress on Day One at Oceania Sevens |publisher= Federation of Oceania Rugby Unions |url= http://www.oceaniarugby.com/141003_oceania_sevens_day_1.html/ref/267 |deadurl= no |archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/6WWG8ATQM |archivedate= 21 February 2015 }} </ref><ref name = foru-4-10-2014>{{cite web |date= 4 October 2014 |title= Fiji Crowned 2014 Oceania Sevens Champion |publisher= Federation of Oceania Rugby Unions |url= http://www.oceaniarugby.com/oceania_sevens_day_2.html/ref/267 |deadurl= no |archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/6WWF9e5TK |archivedate= 21 February 2015 }} </ref> == References == {{reflist}}
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