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http://www.sikhcoalition.org/about-sikhs/history/dhttp://www.sikhcoalition.org/about-sikhs/history/dasam-granth-its-historysam-granth-its-historyttp://www.sikhcoalition.org/about-sikhs/history/dasam-granth-its-history{unblock reviewed| reason= Guys Please don't misunderstand me but this article and the other one are the incorrect they are at best propaganda And I don't know how to use wiki or the conventions Jattnijj ( talk)|decline=You are blocked for edit warring; you'll need to address that in your unblock request. -- jpgordon ::==( o ) 18:38, 3 August 2013 (UTC)}} I would decline your request if I were an admin (I'm not), but still, I am not convinced by your unblock request because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that
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Are you knowledgeable about Sikhism?
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I also provided references - they were deleted !!!! http://www.sikhcoalition.org/about-sikhs/history/dasam-granth-its-history http://sikhspectrum.com/2006/02/misrepresenting-sikhism-as-vedantic-philosophy/
Where were the personal attacks?
Im sure your friends are capable enough to present their arguments themselves.....
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I beg to differ the sources used are not balanced or reflective of the different views - if you have an argument please present it, but you should also know something about the subject matter otherwise you cannot discriminate between misrepresentation, mistake and coherent arguments. Jattnijj ( talk) 16:00, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
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lol, did you never hear of freedom of speech ! The whole article is unbalanced and incongruous! Have you even been to India ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jattnijj ( talk • contribs) 17:57, 14 August 2013
Thats a shame, give me the details and I'll put some feelers out. Why did they upload in your name? Jattnijj ( talk) 08:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
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Is wiki here to promote democratic learning or allow bullies to write bias?
I am a jatt of the jatt race And a sikh some we are not a caste nor hindu. The caste system is a creation we did not and do not live by, its dangerous and fictitious. Some claim that jatts are a caste or labourers or peasants is not proven.
It is a pov promoted people who propagate dogma or those up to mischief.
If that is the point of wiki then I will fight you. If not then learn something of the subject matter ! Would you allow non Jewish people dominate the writing about them ? Which side do support copernicus or the church?
If you persist to allow this material without context, balance and researching what is already on the page you leave me with no choice but to escalate to the authorities in race and religious hatred.
The least you could do is read my comments - I am not anti western or academic but anti bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jattnijj ( talk • contribs)
Anyone can also claim they are trying to present open, collaborative and balanced views.
This article by default is presented as truth ! That is my point.
I have as much fteedom of speech as you and anybody else to present views.
Then why don't you provide a balanced view from other sources or contextualise those you post?
You're also not provided special rights if you are not a member of the group, have been wiki longer or along time, are an academic western, arab indian or otherwise.
Please explain reliability. Please explain the mission of Wikipedia.
Jattnijj (
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It's not the indian authorities I have in mind. ...presenting rights under law is not a threat its a citizens right But my main point has and is why you dont present a more accurate view - nobody has conducted extensive reliable search, therefore your claims are too strong.
Thanks and I look forward to your response Jattnijj ( talk) 07:02, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
The redress I seek is balance and context through reasonable discussion is preferred.
Point 1
Why is the opening claim singularly referenced I.e. susan bayly non elite tillers?
Hi sitush
Im on the jat talk page waiting.....
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Thank you. -- SineBot ( talk) 09:01, 15 August 2013 (UTC) ' "=WP:RS== Have you actually read our [[WP:RS] policy? I see nothing wrong with the references you are deleting with no rationale whatsoever. You don't get to just delete any material that you don't like and claim "not a reliable source" without a more specific reason as to why the source is unreliable. OhNoitsJamie Talk 16:16, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
These references arent academically peer reviewed. You cant just reference websites or names is my understanding from the jat page.
Jattnijj ( talk) 16:36, 15 August 2013 (UTC) {unblock|1=I've been accused of edit warning, but gemuunely think the second pillar is not being applied effectively. Im trying to present a balanced and contextualised view that usnt going down well with some users. Two examples: On the dasam granth page the references are not academic peer reviewed so I removed them and the text they supported since otherwise they would just be claims.
On the jat page a single source is used and my point was to contextualise and provide other views and sources since there are other views and that the opening claim is contextualised e.g. a socio anthropology definition is ...
Both these articles make claims about ateas where uncertainty exists but views are presented as certain fact.
Also, what is the policy on evaluating if biased views are the published sources? }
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I've been accused of edit warning, but genuinely think the second pillar is not being applied effectively. Im trying to present a balanced and contextualised view that usnt going down well with some users. Two examples: On the dasam granth page the references are not academic peer reviewed so I removed them and the text they supported since otherwise they would just be claims. On the jat page a single source is used and my point was to contextualise and provide other views and sources since there are other views and that the opening claim is not contextualised e.g. a socio anthropology definition is ... Both these articles make claims about areas where uncertainty exists but viees are presented as certain fact. Also, what is the policy on evaluating if biased views are the published sources?
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I didn't suggest violence against an editor. I said they should be free to hold their position and defend it. It's a shame people have made dearh threats and editors havw to revert to hiding themselves.
If wiki doesn't agree or its against your policy thats not a problem to me.
In english law its called self defence - that's the real world.
Jattnijj ( talk) 13:03, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
So can i propose edits for them to be reviewed and accepted or declined? If so how? Please respond to evaluation if sources for bias and also on what way is the senior editors / senior owners of pages selected and vetted for competence and conflict of interest?
Thanks Jattnijj ( talk) 14:46, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Please see wiki page on jati as a reference point on not using the caste system terminology since it was 'created' By one group and resurrected by the colonialists for the census.
"The British, since 1901, for the purposes of the Decennial Census, fitted all the Jatis into one or the other of the varna categories as described in Brahminical literature. The Census Commissioner had this to say, "The principle suggested as a basis was that of classification by social precedence as recognized by native public opinion at the present day, and manifesting itself in the facts that particular castes are supposed to be the modern representatives of one or other of the castes of the theoretical Hindu system;""
I can't understand why modern scholars use the language of 'brahmanical literature' .. 'of the theoretical hindu system' as social anthropology language.
Compare the language used by susan baylyl for brahmin, ksytria, gujars, jats - its the definitions from things like the manu smriti and dharamsastra.
Jattnijj ( talk) 16:59, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Point 2 definition from ca bayly
In some places, as Stokes has pointed out, persons called Jats accounted for 70-80 per cent of the total population. They were clearly not a caste in the sense that the Gautam Bhumihars were a caste. Instead they were a wide category of .... Not traditionally seen as caste of the hindu varna system.
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Suggest not just pointing out edit war but also the way forward ie have the debate on the talk page re. Proposed edits and once arguments have been concluded edits are made. In the interim the default text remains. Present mo just feels like people are on your case before its clear how to work together. Also think editors should introduce themselves since its not clear people have been here for a while, and be more constructive to new comers and how things work in nstead of throwing buzz words around use plain English. Or have a buddy system so they can explain. Jattnijj ( talk) 06:02, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
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Jattnijj ( talk) 05:59, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Suggest on controversial claims / evidence editors add a link which lays out the justification for inclusion. Jattnijj ( talk) 06:27, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Suggest established editors review responses of other established editors and newbies to avoid escalation to threats of death and have standard responses ie content under review etc.
I'm actually in India for teh next 6 months, however, the reason why I contribute on Wikipedia is to maintain my anonimity because some of the articles I contributed to have been contentious. I have had death threats in the past, therefore that is why I tend not to meet up up with fellow Wikipedians, but thanks for the offer. Please learn to work with felloe editors and you will find that you will be taken seriously here. Thanks SH 07:55, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Dude, serioisly? Why?
I mean I know this stuff is controversial, but shit man everyone must accept there is still lots of uncertainty, on both sides of the argument.
Jattnijj ( talk) 09:56, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Actually mate, if someone's offering you out and you r genuinely haven't done anything then f em - organise a fair fight and take them down. Jatt Sikhs are powerful and with God and truth on your side you will be victorious. With your jatt determination and anakhi and the gurus jorsh you will jet.
You still training right?
I can be there to make sure its fair If you need. My name is Nijjer and we have Gill, Grewal, Randawa, Bal, Hyare, Hundal, Cheema family and friends and im close with some hardcore punjabi bamans, tarakans and rajputs they have family here and punjab. Let me know. Jattnijj ( talk) 10:19, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Only thing to add is its not violence its your human right.
self defence - every human has the right to speak their mind freely and without needing to hide, defend themselves, self respect and self sufficency. Whether you agree wirh those values is a separate point.
But im sure sh admires your concern for him Im surprised no one else has made stronger offers of support or you guys haven't fought back.
Oh well it's a philosophical value thing I guess.
Jattnijj ( talk) 11:07, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
And fair fight means in thw ring in a club. It's nor uncommon here.
Jattnijj ( talk) 11:12, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
A threat of violence may suggest the other side has lost the argument - why shouldn't you be free to defend yourselves -if you believe in your position?
If you were having a debate im person ans the other side tried to intimidate or threaten you, what's your recourse? Jattnijj ( talk) 11:30, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Im not talkingy about freedom of speech, wiki or violence, im talking about debate and the right to defend your position. Im not sure which point you dont understand. But appreciate you might disagree with one or both points.
No I can't , they have journalists that write opinion pieces or someone might write a letter with opinion that is printed.