I caught your contribs on "Kakkar." Prove that the people you listed are Punjabi Jatt Kakkars. The first two are from Goa and Mumbai, respectively, and there is no documented evidence that any of them have ties to Punjab. Your source for RK Kakar is downright pathetic. There can easily be other Kakar clans unrelated to the Punjabi one.
You also threw on a bunch of unsources personal anthropological views on their origin. The Pashtun Kakars are distinct from the Punjabis. Keep your reactionary theories to yourself, your politics are showing.
Your source bears no mention of Kakkar "Khatris" on pg. 516 like you cite; the quote you leave is an incoherent mess of nothing. The fact that you would use an unqualified orientalist like Ibbetson (which only you seem fond of) for information is incredulous. Get a newer, more accurate, less patronizing source; that book is not original research, but merely claims and hearsay regarding (mythological) histories and far-from-universal clan "tradition." Call me crazy, but I have the feeling that no one is really descended from Hindu gods. The book gives no real anthropological origins/migrations/etc.
Remember, if your going to contribute anything, the burden of credible evidence lies on you, not me.
And respond to my three other posts; don't let this big bad Jatt scare you mute or anything, lol. Remember to keep your responses on your page since you are so fond of records; don't bother spamming my page with drivel again.
I guess I can't really expect a response though; from your talk page it seems that there is already a long line of people you have pissed off by interjecting your beliefs into everything.
I'll leave this near the top of your complaint-list of a talk page so you'll notice it. You can't just call me out and then duck every response while you persist in your agenda. 3swordz ( talk) 15:47, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
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I will soon discuss with you all the points you raised. Siddiqui 07:22, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, thanks to youe comments. I could not understand which of writing made you smile. I respect all relegions and beleive that no relegion supports evil practices and these bad people exist every where belonging to all relegions and their deeds must not be taken that their trait is commanded by relegion.
I appologise if my commnets about khatris in section pre partion people of sheikhan have digusted you. But it is a tarit found every where in business class. Hope you will guide me at wikipedia. With regards —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Abulfazl ( talk • contribs) 07:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC).
Read your comments. You are absolutely right this stereotyping is so much common that people don't think of going into depth and watch if such things really exist or not, and I have observed it my own case as being a Shia Muslim from childhood I used to here from even my closest freinds the things that had no root had I got astonished when I heard these kind of things about ourselves like shia cut the childern and make haleem from their flesh or shia Quran had 40 parts etc. I happened to view gita, Sri granth sahib and I think that these holy books also represnt the muslim beleif of tawheed and also being chadhar from chander bansi rajputs I can never be claiming any kinda arabian ancestry and beibg descended from a holy lineage can not make myself respectable unless my deeds are good enough. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Abulfazl ( talk • contribs) 06:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC).
Please do not leave messages such as the ones you did on the userpage and talkpage of user:Szhaider. It construes stalking and harassment, which will not be tolerated. You will be blocked without further warning. Rama's arrow 15:00, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
The above warning was received by me in response to the following message I posted on user Szhaider s talk page . [ [1]]
My refferences to his post were factual , yet he found them offensive enough to make a complaint about me . Made me wonder why he was so eager to have my comment removed from his talk page specially since I had not made any offensive or factually incorrect comment .... a bit ironic yes . [ [2]] Intothefire 06:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Read your comments about article Dulla Bhatti by the way I just created it with minimum information and other wikipedia community member aded worthful information to it. Another thing about the name abulfazl, Abulfazl was not only the writer of Ain-e-Akbari in history and not my name because of him but Abulfazl is the Kuniat (a type of name in arabic) of Hazrat Abbas Alamdar (A.S) the Son of Syedushuhda Imam Hussain (A.S). I just updated you because I felt as if you were mingling this name with the name of one of member of mughal darbar and taunting about an article being written about a rebellion of mughal darbar, by a person having such name. And If I took it wrong please ignore these lines.
I feel sorry, it may have hurt you but I did not intended it. I hope you will ignore my act. Abulfazl 08:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I contacted User:DaGizza about creating a project for Punjab or possibly even a portal. He approved so I am asking more people now. The project is to be a collaborative effort between Indian Punjabi and Pakistani Punjabi and other non-Punjabi people, this should hopefully also generate good feeling between Indian and Pakistani sides. — Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 09:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I had deleted the WP:India tag previously added by my bot as the article seemingly has nothing to do with India. You have undone the deletion and reinstated the tag without giving any reason. Can you please let me know how the fort is connected with India? — Lost (talk) 10:53, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I had heard this word hussaini but really did not know whats the background thanks for informing me, and such informative knowledge information from you is always welcomed. Abulfazl 07:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Again Thanks for your support but I dont how revret the table of household goods which has been corrupted by Tuncrypt. Abulfazl 08:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
LOL. If I knew about the topic I would have helped. As a reader I am saying is that there are too many quotes in section, I hope you agree to that. Wont do any harm if we move the quotes to wikiquote or possibly a new article. or the section can be turned into a narrative with few quotes and ref. At the moment the section is a quote farm by definition. -- Webkami 19:31, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Can you cite any evidence of him being a slave? I did a search of the page and found the word slavery only twice (the two slavery categories). Baka man 15:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
You can find the attribution to dhimmi here and here at the site. It appears the target site has been upgraded and the links now redirect elsewhere. I can't recall which article the quote is now in, I would happily go back and fix/improve the quality of the quotations if you can remind me where you found them.
As far as dhimmis go historically society has been bigoted and stratified. The indians had their caste systems, Persia had the Aryans and non-aryans, Byzantine had greek and non-greeks, the colonials had the Europeans and the natives, similarly the Umayyads had Arab and non-arabs the list goes on. Take a society, take a history and even further take a period within that history and you will find a "superior social strata" always, especially between conquerors and subject peoples. Among Umayyads the non-arabs were further politically segregated as dhimmis on the basis of religion. What that meant differed according to the differing imperial monetary and political milieu, the definition of what constituted a "loyal citizen"; so it is a mixed bag that we can take up in a more detailed discussion if you prefer. Coming around to the last part of the argument, I would definitely prefer being a dhimmi compared to a colonial era slave and if i was an Iraqi and my nation had to have been conquered by someone I would be happier that the conquerors were the Americans and not someone else. It's all relative to the historical period. I do however agree that "granted" is an inappropriate term in this case and tender my apologies.
P.S: Assume good faith.-- Tigeroo 20:15, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
I think we have a fundamental problem with a central theme of your last post. The Kaffir and Momin was simply a statement to orient my paragraph on idiomatically and to respond to your comments on the concept you put forth vis-a-vis a view of the past heritage stated as "Day before yesterdays Kafir or Dhimmi is yesterday Momin....degenerate..demonize.." and not really oriented as a blanket equation of kaffir=caveman as you have put forth.
As for the past, yes there are mistakes that were made in the past and that I believe should not be redone today. You would not go back to monarchies, feudal lords, slavery, casteism, serfdom, de-industrialization, burning witches and what not the list goes as human society grows up. So yes, it does entail that you understand your past and gain knowledge of what they got right and what they got wrong. Learning from the mistakes of the past is important if you don't want to repeat them. If your forefathers made mistakes I think it would be extremely ignorant to repeat them. Understanding their mistakes is important as seeing what they got right. Moreover more than one of our grandfathers was indeed a caveman, and calling him that is not disrespectful. Nor is passing a value judgment on them wrong either, i.e. a lot of "grandfathers" in the sub-continent, much closer up the family tree, married really really young girls, and so no believing they were wrong would not be disrespectful either.
All of these things are unfortunately value judgments. Yes, I believe a lot of things that occurred in historical society have no place in modern society. You need of course remember that in a caveman society using flint to start a fire was the absolutely correct way to do things. Would you do that today?? Everything is relative and needs to be accounted for in the proper social, economic, ideological and technological context.
As for ideological value judgments, we make them everyday by choosing a particular religion or even rejecting religion we are saying those who ascribe to a different set are wrong. Consciously and sub-consciously by what we choose to do we make value judgments whether it is capitalism or communism, free society or autocratic rules. Even by emigrating we are saying our country is worse than the others no matter how much nationalistic jingoism we may throw up. Making moral/value judgments is human. The difference between it and bigotry is that you have a sound reason upon which you base that decision rather than a generic disdain. I am sorry, but yes I do believe some people have got it wrong, but it would also be equally insane interpret that statement as I believe that I am perfect.
As far the Saudi, I believe they are wrong too but for a different reason than the one you imply or deduce from my previous post. Simply because by erasing the past you have erased the lessons that can be learnt from them. If it is a mistake of your past, you do not erase it. If you believe it is an improvement then that would at least be justifiable. The fundamental question and shaper of human society has always been "How do you deal with those who you do not agree with?"-- Tigeroo 17:54, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Cheers from a Momin back atcha.-- Tigeroo 04:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
You are mistaken about my POV, see my edits again, I have been readding information about Aroras onto the page. I have also been converting links from List of Arora surnames to List of Arora surnames on Wiktionary. dishant 22:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
==Have undone Dishant55555 revert of Intothefire edit and further rvandalism of the Malhotra page to the last NPOV version by Intothefire Dishant5555 seems to suffer from issues as he keeps vandalising that and other pages of users who correct his exaggerated claims of the Luthra family importance in Indian history== —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.149.27.200 ( talk) 21:01, 13 April 2007 (UTC).
Btw, I had removed the Baladhuri comment which I believe prompted you talk about Baladhuris POV in the first place as unnecessary as well. So I hope that addresses the your concern of POV glorification. As an unrelated aside, all histories have a certain POV which is why wiki source prefer tertiary assessments to be quoted that would have hopefully removed the bias present in primary sources. Another reason why I felt the direct Baladhuri quotation initially present was inappropriate and possibly misleading.-- Tigeroo 09:43, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Can you justify capital letters on "clan" or "conversion"? Please use Category:Hindu clan conversions to Islam and give that category a parent category. -- RHaworth 18:38, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Change what? -- RHaworth 18:48, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Please note i have created this article from the outset with regards to the french rapper of the same name. Rather than arbitrarily edit an existing article you will need to create a new article and add a 'disambiguation' link at the top of the current Babbar article so that people looking for information on your topic will know where to go to. If you or others keep re-editing the article i have created i'll have to refer this to someone who can arbitrate. -- Baston1975 08:06, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
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I have had busy week at work, I have had no time to deal with fixing the poor quality edits you usually make, but now it is the weekend so I will fix things. Please do read up all those links I gave you and look around for what consitutes good and quality material. Even the quality and contents of your posts on my discussion are an embarassment. P.S Another tip, when you create a new discussion wether on a article page or a user page, it makes like a lot easier to follow what is going on if you add the new content to the bottom of the page instead of inserting it at random any what where.-- Tigeroo 11:06, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
With respect, I find this article to be inappropriate and offensive to Jats and Awans. I have requested deletion for this.
In view of the haste in which it was created, I'd rather believe that perhaps the haste is the reason for this mistake and not a deliberate attempt to undermine an entire Awan community. You are also incorrect to my origins, I am not an Awan. I shouldn't have to be to take offence at what is written about another respectable tribe.
You are obviously passionate about your area of interest. What I would advise is take your time, do some proper research and try to be cohesive.
I suggest you curb your personal opinions and bias towards the Muslim community. They do not all hate their Indian counterparts or their Indian heritage! But simply stating one sided cases and articles trying to remind them of their ancient heritage does, as Malik Awan stated, ignore their current Islamic identity which they predominantly hold more dearer than their lineal identity. Try and understand this bro, and perhaps Inshallah you will help create a cohesive respectful bridge between our respective communities/nations rather than (indirectly/directly) offending them through insensitivity.
My job is to advise, whether you endeavour to aid this cohesion, or ignore this and continue is up to you my friend. God willing, you will understand for the best. Enjoy the weekend.-- Raja 12:00, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Alamsherkhan ( talk) 13:46, 8 August 2011 (UTC) I have gone through the remarks which come from one of the editors that while population census Awan’s in some areas of NWFP are listed as "Hamsaya". Some of the editors consider it impolite word as regards to tribe. First of let us see the common meaning of Hamsaya before I explain what it mean in Pashtun community. "Ham-saya" is common term used in Pakistan for neighbour. Ham is used to explain the second word like, Ham- Rakab, Ham Zulf, Ham- Piyala , Ham-Nawa and Ham-Nasheen etc . Saya mean shadow and the word to word meaning of Hamsaya is the persons sharing same shadow. In Pashtun tribe community word Hamsaya is used in the meanings of adoption and protection. This term is used for the small group of individuals who got invited by a local tribe to work/stay in tribal Pashtun society. Simply it mean "a guest under protection". Hamsaya declaration by a tribe ensure their safety during the stay in the Area. This rule still works in all tribal areas and the news reporters and visitors mostly get benefit of this customary law. I hope this will clear the misunderstanding regards Alamsherkhan
Intothefire
You recently left a message for me, which I have only just read. To be honest, I am far too busy to re-engage in a debate over this issue. I made my feelings abundantly clear vis-à-vis this matter (including commenting on the source material you keep referring to in defence of your article) and if you still cannot comprehend why I, along with others, quite rightly nominated your article for deletion, then so be it.
As for the analogies you provided, they bear no relevance to the points I made. And as for your desire to record "the Hamsaya practice" the "practice" you refer to is no longer practiced as was outlined by your article (and this has been the case for quite some time now). Furthermore, the groups that your article referred to have not been addressed as Hamsaya (an appellation rooted in ignorance and prejudice) in the NWFP for a considerable period of time. In fact, presently, Awans in the NWFP are widely referred to as Qazi by the Pathan community, something that I observed during my stay in the NWFP.
You say that you did not set out to cause offence - I am willing to accept that. However, your article was also erroneous - particularly in allusion to Awans residing in regions of the Punjab bordering the NWFP - and highly problematic (and I don't have time to go into this again. Suffice to say, I along with others also pointed out that defining the term Hamsaya would realistically involve including the actual, widely used and innocuous, Hindi-Urdu definitions of this term, which in itself throws up problems).
By the way, if you have carefully read through comments I have made elsewhere, you will discover that I am not amongst those of Pakistani origin who denigrate or stereotype the Hindu community, nor do I have a problem conceding that the majority of Pakistanis, including those who ancestors arrived in the Subcontinent from Arabia and Persia, can to varying degrees, trace their ancestry back to individuals who professed Hinduism.
Of course, there are just as many individuals in India who create crude stereotypes regarding the Muslim community as there are Pakistanis who indulge in negatively stereotyping the Hindu community.
I have nothing more to say on this subject. Malik Awan 1 03:03, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
See my reply on the Bomba dynasty. I agree, co operation is best. Let's hope this begins a better relationship dude. I dont bare any grudge against you, if anything, I want people from both sides of our countries to appreciate each other better, perhaps through this sites info we can. But we must follow rules etc, and hopefully, Inshallah we will get there. Until then, good luck mate.-- Raja 15:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Hahaha! I really liked the "ai rokom cholba na!!" bit. Hehe...nice. Nice to meet you.
Regarding the removal of cuisine section in Delhi, the article follows Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian cities and Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian states. Both the projects have acted as effective guidelines for producing multiple Featured Article.The guidelines suggest to incorporate culinary specialties/notabilities within the Culture section.
Delhi is also a featured article. Any major changes in a featured article should first be discussed in the talk page of the article, per the general norms in wikipedia (no rule though). So I reverted your additions. Basically if cuisine of Delhi (or' for that matter any state or city) is discussed in a separate section, many other topic deserve similar other devoted sections. As a consequence, the article would become huge. Wikipedia, in general, follows Wikipedia:Summary style. Have a read of it. Let's rather try to build up nice daughter articles, and provide links in the main article. For example, Indian cuisine can be considered as a daughter article of India! Hope this clears things. Cheers.-- Dwaipayan ( talk) 02:01, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I saw you complain on the talk pg about me removing the word terrorist and replacing it with militant. See this policy WP:TERRORIST. IP198 18:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello User:Intothefire. I have responded to the alert placed by User:Tigeroo placed at WP:WQA. My response can be found here. I hope you will take what I say under advisement and will ask me any questions you might have. Sarcasticidealist 19:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm not a technical expert, but I suspect that either somebody else made the edit from the same computer that you've been using (while you were still logged in) or your password has been somehow compromised. I'd suggest you bring the issue to the Wikipedia:Help desk; there should be someone there who can answer your question better than I can.
In the meantime, I've reverted the edit. Sarcasticidealist 18:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry you have to deal with that kind of treatment. Don't give up defending appropriate content. Arrow740 05:11, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Your protection banner on this article was till the 22nd ....on the 23 when it was removed there were blanket deletions by user Tigeroo again . This blanket deletions of sourced content by Tigeroo has been going on for months ...I have been making efforts at concensus building on the talk page ...how is this deletion by Tigeroo going to stop ....what is the next step ??
Please advise .
Cheers
Intothefire
05:53, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Just want to let you know that IP struck again: [3]. I reverted it already. Is there some sort of dispute there? - Warthog Demon 01:19, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for dropping by. First of all I'm happy to inform you that I am not the mysterious ip User:70.174.180.38 . I am not new to Wikepedia and my edits in the Kshatriya articles are documented under this name if not Maharaj Devraj, I did not agree with the way Khatri was put into the Suryavanshi section, so I removed the demeaning comments but I did not remove the Khatri link out of the section, check in the history. Besides, I do not edit articles which I do not have any knowledge upon and if I disagree with what is written in an article I would discuss it rather than vandalize. For that reason, I have removed your reference to my name in the page of your friend User:70.174.180.38. By the way, where then should Khatri be placed in the Kshatriya article, Suryavansh or not I personally do not know, or under Other Kshatriya tribes perhaps?? it would be great if you could look into it and fix the page for what is most appropriate. Checking from his contributions I would guess that User:70.174.180.38 is a Khatri himself, as for myself I am a Kachwaha Raja, not Maharaja as you have suggested, that would be my uncle. Cheers. Devraj Singh 03:07, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
well its not entirely trash it holds some little truth, but the point i want to make is you and others would be quick to shoot down my edit but what about this bloated, falsely boastful article(jat) with some false references(how low), the incredible length, and some false facts, will those be corrected? the articles already not credible, so comments like mine wont look too out of the ordinary there.
cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.222.155 ( talk) 14:14, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Reply
Do let me know what needs to be corrected and what false facts you refer to? If there is any thing in an article that is not correct than it should be 1.) addressed, 2.) discussed and 3.) corrected!! (That’s the whole point about wikipedia). So if you find an article in wikipedia to be unjust than please raise your objections, point by point. If it is an article which I am associated with than I can assure you that all facts which I put in to wikipedia can be verified, if it deals with ancient history than it is put under 'Legend', I have my fair-share of academia decency. Being an amateur historian myself, I hope you do your readings prior to raising some protests on issues of which you are not familiar with.
Regarding the length of the articles, with the number of wiki articles, there are articles of variable lengths, some are long and some are short, depending on the details and facts that could (or has) been put into it. Rest assured.
May be the reason people are quick to shoot down your edits is because you haven't registered, and that is at times seen as vandalizing, perhaps you could start by registering yourself. Devraj Singh 05:32, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Ever considered contributing to Panjabi wikipedia?-- Eukesh ( talk) 20:43, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
"No Citation" tag has been removed from this page as per your request. Thank-you for adding them and making it a better article. -- Pmedema ( talk) 15:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Hello,
In reply to your question, no I do not post under 90.196.190.207, why do you ask anyway? :-)
Pahari Sahib, 16:22, 1 January 2008 ( GMT)
Well in answer to your question, I would agree that "cited contributions are better than deletions of cited content", Happy New Year to you too.
Pahari Sahib, 16:44, 1 January 2008 ( GMT)
I have just seen your
note on my talk page, yeah this guy actually IS serious.... after all it is Talagang, feel free to revert my edit if you want, I agree to this - we have
consensus :-)
We should have something of comedic quality on the page :-)
Pahari Sahib ( talk) 08:19, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I have reverted your re-addition of the erroneous material to Pirooz. That material is actually about Peroz I. Please see my comments on Talk:Pirooz. -- Ghostexorcist ( talk) 06:41, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
I have nominated the article for deletion. you can comment here. Noor Aalam ( talk) 00:30, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
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With all due respect, I have noticed that you are trying to portray that Kakkezai are Punjabi_Shaikh by using a quote from Denzil Ibbetson, Edward MacLagan, H. A. Rose, "A Glossary of The Tribes & Casts of The Punjab & North West Frontier Province", 1911, pp 502 Vol II. Here is the direct link to that page Kakazai Pashtun descent. I find it interesting that you are NOT pointing to the confusion of Denzil Ibbetson which he has outlined under a footnote, "Mackenzi says the Kakkezai are also called Bulledee (Bileladle) but he does not explain the term. Gujrat Sett. Rep., p. 27. Bulledee may be transliteration of Baledi 'one who herds oxen': Pujnabi Dicty., p. 86". Should you be able to read Urdu, then please feel welcome to read these pages, Page 176-177, Page 178-179 and Page 18-181 of Tazkara (also called "Tazkira-e-pathan"), a book by Khan Roshan Khan.
As far as the matter of Kakkezai being Punjabi_Shakih is concerned, I would like to further invite you to get hold on another book in Urdu, "Tareekh-e-Kakazai" (a.k.a. "Hidayat Afghani - Tareekh-e-Kakazai Tarkani" (Originally Published May, 1933), which debunks that theory. And last but NOT the least, you are more than welcome to visit more material on Kakazai Pashtun tribe by visiting this Flickr page, which is full of scanned material. McKhan ( talk) 12:30, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Page 178-179 and Page 18-181 of Tazkara (also called "Tazkira-e-pathan"), a book by Khan Roshan Khan. The writer of "Tareekh-e-Kakazai" (a.k.a. "Hidayat Afghani - Tareekh-e-Kakazai) Tarkani" (Originally Published May, 1933) has addressed the quote which is being used on this page quite thoroughly. Indeed, I appreciate your contention, however, I find it unfair to treat quotes written by the Western authors as authentic quotes compare to the books written by the authentic / native historians of the region on the relevant / pertinet subject matters. I, sincerely, hope that you will kindly think about it. Best regards. Sincerely, McKhan ( talk) 08:16, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that in many articles in question the category Category:History of Pakistan has been deliberately replaced by Category:Pre-Islamic heritage of Pakistan. I don't find the categories for Pre-Christan heritage of Italy, Greece, France, Germany, Russia, Spain, etc. Their historical articles fall in their respective history categories. The Category:Hindu history and Category:Ancient Greeks in Asia were probably a mistake I will go back and check my changes. The Muslim heritage places in India such as Bareilly, where Barelwi sect was formed which is followed by 50% of Pakistani Muslims or Deoband of Deobandi sect, and Ajmer which is the biggest Muslim pilgrame site in India of Moinuddin Chishti does not have any Muslim tags. Actually I support this since cities should not have any religious tags unless they are exlusively pilgramage sites. We cannot have tags in small towns or villages in Pakistan if they had Hindu or Sikh population before 1947. Then over 50% of Pakistani cities and towns will have these tags. Then we should also be adding tags in Indian towns an villages that have Muslims before 1947. Lets work together to resove this issue. Misaq Rabab ( talk) 13:03, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
I see you have been putting in the references that I myself had added years ago to this article. In truth, the tribe has even been mentioned as Janjua rajput in origin too lol (I even have the sources!) but some really lame and extremist editors keep removing it....
It's good your working to enhance this part of the tribe's knowledge. I may have argued with you in the past, but I am glad someone is keeping some part of history of any tribe there.
Keep it up dude.
-- ~Raja~ ( talk) 11:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi, there. I understand your concern with the Cheema article. However, all of contributions to the article are cited as there was a dispute with another user who is now banned, so for that reason I specifically made sure by sources were credible and backed up. Therefore, I find it inappropriate for you to leave baseless accusations against me on my page. Unfortunately, from the time I last edited the article to looking at it today. I understand there are huge problems with the article, as all sorts of useless information is added to the article, generally under the modern subheading. However, as I don't edit much, rather being making baseless accusations against me, why not try to improve the article? Its nonsensical to leave a few comments on my talk page accusing me of something which one you can't backup and two you don't have any evidance of. -- Street Scholar ( talk) 12:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
You left me a message a while back whining about bias. Care to elaborate?
"Bias" is actually having a reputation for crappy edits and a Hindutva slant, which your talk page is flooded with complaints about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 3swordz ( talk • contribs) 10:29, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
THere is a lot of bias on wikipedia see for example groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/alt.wikipedia/-2O2zOBni1Q — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kegsapter ( talk • contribs) 16:26, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
I believe if you would consult this page, you will get your answers [4] about any sources of information, contentious, questionable or not. -- Shanti bhai ( talk) 11:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Firstly are you same as user 3swordz.I have good reason to believe this may be the case , as there are blaring simmalirities and anomalies in your and 3wordz posts for example in your reply to me and the heading of the response
Next moving to the main issue Why did you delete my post of 14th September from your talk page? a)Your deletion of my courteous post is astonishing and unmerited. as it specifically pertains to discuss with you - your insertion of citation request tags on 15 articles. Such as wikipedia articles on Parmara , Bhera ,Sabharwal , Khawaja Shaikh ,Kukhran ,Sikh Rajput ,Khatri , Suri ,Saini …
b)It is also paradoxical that considering your zealous labors to tag citation requests on scores of articles accompanied often by sardonic comments you have hardly posted any cited content yourself on any article??
c)why you have even nominated an article for deletion on Sikh Rajput and are ardently discussing to have this article deleted and yet delete discussion on your own page ?
Lets look at my post you have deleted from your talk page again .
As you have put the citation tags on scores of articles , it behoves you to discuss this and that this discussion is important for the reason and I am recording the sequence of posts here to put the matter in its perspective .
[edit] Intothefire post 1 of 14th September deleted by Shant bhai Hi Shanti Bhai You seem to be an old hand at Wikipedia , and remind me of another editor ! I would like to add a few citations where you have put citation needed] tags .
As Even citations can be a contentious issue on wikipedia , so before I add them and inadvertently end up in an edit war with you . I thought I would check your views on this .
a)Do you agree that medieval writers such as Farishta , and Al beruni , Ibn Batuta , Barani are fit cases for citations . Would appreciate your non ambiguous statement of position .
b)Do you completely reject recording oral tradition on Wikipedia as bogus , if yes would you apply the same standard to religious articles as well such as Hadith . Cheers
Intothefire (talk) 18:46, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Your response posted on my page is completely non specific to questions I asked you , I have recorded your post here for ease of discussion
Shant bhai respone on my page: I believe if you would consult this page, you will get your answers [1] about any sources of information, contentious, questionable or not. --Shanti bhai (talk) 11:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Shanti bhai your answer does not respond to either of my specific question (a) or (b)in my first post you deleted .
Next many of your citation requests or or tags are faulty and highly selective and I will specifically come to this once you begin to engage in this discussion without deletion or indistinct responses. Intothefire (talk) 19:13, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Shanti_bhai"
Intothefire, You're littering my talk page with crap again, man.
I think you're just another Hindu trying to subvert Sikh names and identity under your RSS crap. I'm sick of your type swarming Wikipedia.
There is no difference between Hindu Punjabi or any other type of Hindu. Your type needs to move to Haryana and stop dictating Punjab's culture as you see fit.
I am a full Punjabi Jatt Sikh, as a matter of fact. You don't know me, so don't insult me or my identity. I am not "harjit1979" or "shantibhai". I'm sure you or one of you Hindu techie friends can verify that in one way or another.
1. I never touched the "Hanjra" article. I do not know enough about them to alter anything.
2. As for the "Cheema" article, perhaps harjit 1979 and I feel similarly about this issue: Hindu mythology has no place being the bulk of an encyclopedic clan history, and being cited by questionable sources doesn't add to its authenticity. What he deleted was neither cited nor even written in a professional manner. It started with "They say that some 25 generations back their ancestor Chima...," for goodness' sake. You're really going to defend this? Facts matter, my friend, not fairy tales and hearsay.
And Jatt clans do not have specific Hindu-like rituals based solely on their last names, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
I mean, "Cheemas of Sialkot district have, in common with the Sindhu and Shahi of these parts, some peculiar marriage customs, such as cutting a goat's ear and marking their foreheads with the blood, making the bridegroom cut off a twig of jhand tree ( Prosopis spicigera) and so forth.. [1]" Cheemas of Gujranwala district have similar marriage customs which involves making the bride cut off a twig of "jhand" tree, followed by paying a visit to local "Peer"'s or "Jathera"s (elders) shrine.
What the hell was that? Look at the damn source, it talks about the NWFP, Pirs, Gujranwala, Sialkot. Pakistan! Maybe these are Muslim rituals of the Pashtuns (NWFP) and Pakistani Punjabis, but they sure as hell aren't specifically Sikh or clan rituals. Even if the quote wasn't written by some ignorant white "spectator," you still couldn't mistake it for a blanket statement unless you just saw the word "Cheema" and ran with it. Look at the damn context.
And I've never seen a Hindu Cheema in person or in name in my entire life; their numbers are inconsequential if not nonexistent. Even among Muslim Jatts their numbers are few and far between. So prove me wrong. And for the record, I'm not a Cheema. That's not the only Jatt article that I corrected.
And again, your talk page is filled with nothing but complaints. Only you seem have an issue with my edits; I am very able to admit mistakes, but inane posts not worth my time get deleted.
So if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go clear the crap off my talk page again. "Cheers."
3swordz ( talk) 11:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
PS I'm not sure how you could think I wasn't a Sikh, if you look at my contributions.
In other news: Akhtar Hameed Khan has finally reached the FA status and Islescape is the happiest person on Earth.
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Its nothing personal. Its just a troll who initially kept placing the community in the article. I have contributed significantly towards the article previously, but I tend to believe in EB over some opportunistic troll who tries to make his community look better on WP. That is not without precedent. I assure you to check the references again. All sentences can be found, in fact I can find more references rather easily if prompted. Have a good day. Trips ( talk) 14:40, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
you are a biased, a-hole person who needs to stop editing pages that have nothing to do with your people or lineage. I think you are psychotic and have nothing better to do with your life than to ruin other peoples' history. Kill yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.98.225.64 ( talk) 19:25, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
For example see how this vandal ip deleted an entire section on
8th November
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129.98.237.86 | row 1, cell 2 | 129.98.237.86 |
129.98.236.150 | row 1, cell 2 | 129.98.236.150 |
129.98.236.219 | row 2, cell 2 | 129.98.236.219 |
129.98.225.64 129.98.225.64 | row 2, cell 2 | 129.98.225.64 |
Intothefire ( talk) 10:26, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
The article start with "In Punjab region the local Kshatriya are known as Khatri, in fact they are one and the same.". If they are on and the same, and Khatri is just a different pronunciation, why do the two have different articles? Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry ( talk) 17:03, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Cheers
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Listen up, intothefire. You only whine about my deleting of worthless posts on my talk page (which I HAVE CONTROL OVER) because you have nothing constructive to say about the Cheema article. I already put forth my discussion on your TALK page a long time ago, and you haven't responded to the claims. You pick and choose which articles to respond to. My Cheema discussion page post but not your talk page post? I've made my case. You haven't responded. I've also noticed that you haven't been disrupting the Cheema article as of late. Perhaps you know you're wrong.
-You demand sources but didn't seem to care about using them when you sloppily claimed that Cheemas were also Hindus on July 11 2008, along with other unsourced amateurish claims.
-I never delete sourced material. You seem to be implying this by means of incorrectly associating me to other users who have done this and making them my "sockpuppets." What need do I have for sockpuppets? It is simply that more people see through your lies than you want to come to terms with, and it's not only one user under multiple names. You're paranoid as well as ignorant, not a good combo.
-Don't make idiotic claims on articles, and baseless insinuations about sockpuppets, and start inane arguments that you can't win, and maybe I won't be "abusive," if your delicate feelings and pseudointellectual sensibilities are so easily hurt.
-MY talk page. I have full control of it. You complain about the same things over and over, and never respond to my discussions on your talk page. Stop ignoring my posts, and you will get your answers and why you are wrong.
"Cheers," my little Hindu friend. 3swordz ( talk) 10:33, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I have asked him to explain himself ... only because it seems you haven't attempted to discuss it with him before going to me. If he does not respond to my satisfaction or continues the editing, then the indefinite block will be reimposed (you can refer another admin to this post if I'm not available). Daniel Case ( talk) 19:24, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
For every category you create, you should specify parent categories to which it belongs. You can do this by listing the parents near the bottom of the page, each enclosed in double brackets like so:
[[Category:History of Afghanistan]] [[Category:History of Pakistan]]
I am a human being, not a bot, so you can contact me if you have questions about this. Best regards, -- Stepheng3 ( talk) 20:53, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
I saw no reason for an article on Ranjit Singh's generals. There's no context for having a separate article and it quite clearly looks like an indiscriminate collection of information. Nishkid64 ( Make articles, not wikidrama) 19:11, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello and [ Cheers]. Please create the page as desired by you. Please feel free to request. I saw the message after some gap due to my work related assignments, hence the delay. Regards. -- Bhadani ( talk) 17:00, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
I made a request at WP:RFPP to see if the page can be protected for a little while. Momo san Gespräch 13:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Intothefire, though I have not always agreed with you in the past on certain aspects on the Khatri page, I appreciate the effort you took to post and call out all the bogus IP addresses. Hopefully, we can have the Khatri page blocked from all IP addresses not using a username. Cheers! -- KhatriNYC ( talk) 16:27, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Please stop posting unrelated and Bloated material that meets your POV in the above article [5] and then claiming it to be a vandal edit when it is removed Talk:Mahmud_of_Ghazna#Blanket_Deletion_of_referenced_content_by_user_K.Khokhar.
Please refer to Wikipedia:NPOV_tutorial
Khokhar ( talk) 20:17, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi,
Just wanted to say sorry about the other day, things got a little heated.
Khokhar ( talk) 06:41, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, but that will defeat the purpose, right? This shouldn't really qualify as a contentious enough topic for edit locking? I guess best would be for someone to go back here and spend time cleaning up, every once in a while. - SpacemanSpiff ( talk) 19:34, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi Intothefire, I have changed the Afghan (name) article. Check out the current version. Massa Getae (talk) 07:32, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
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Hi Intothefire. I have reverted your latest edit in Afghan (name), because the information was already in the text (2 paragraphs below your edit). It would have been a double entry. Regards. Tajik ( talk) 09:14, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi again!
I don't know whether there is a policy that primary or secondary sources are preferred in the Wikipedia, but, in very general terms, I believe it is preferable to go to the original source to be sure the information is accurate.
The quote you gave was:
This quoted text is badly punctuated and difficult to follow and contains many grammatical and spelling errors, while the final sentence does not make sense. Further, in the previous sentence, the word monasteries is so badly misspelled ("manastries ") that a reader without a very good command of English might not even know what it was meant to represent (and would not be able to check it in a dictionary).
It was partly for these reasons that I replaced that quote with a much clearer quote from Al Biruni himself. While he does not mention Gandhara specifically, the statement was was made referring to Mahmud's invasion and conquest of northwestern India which, as we know, included Gandhara. I can see no difficulty here.
Finally, seeing as you ask, I am "just another wikipedian", not an editor - but if I were an editor why would you, on that basis alone, accept my changes if you thought they were wrong? Are we not trying to make this article as factual and clear as we can? Please let me know if you still disagree and, if so, why. Yours sincerely, John Hill ( talk) 11:43, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi John Hill
Please restrict this discussion only to one talk page and not three ,viz: the Gandhara talk page , your talk page and my talk page .
I have now aggregated it all on
Talk:Gandhara.
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Hello Intothefire. Iam KJTRGKL. I recently joinded the wikipedia 2 or 3 days ago.Iam the cousin of user:msnanda who recently left the wikipedia because of your annoying and scolding behaivour. Now i Just want to talk about Khatris. Listen, i just want to tell you really God Promise, Khatris are rrelated to Jats, Tarkhans, Rajputs, Lohars, Gujjars, Kambojas, Sansis, etc. . look at me my surname Dhillon and I am a Khatri. Because Dhillon is a Jat surname. I think you are going to get confused. Now listen, KhatriNYC wrote everything rudely to my cousin brother, so he decided not use wikipedia.Man this user is very energetic. He is still at the point to prove that Khatris are related to Arora-Ahluwalia tribe. This user also writes that Khatris intermarry themselves with Aroras and that is why Khatris are related to Arora-Ahluwalia. I agree with his point that Khatris intermarry themselves with Arora-Ahluwalia tribe but that doesn't mean that Khatris are closely related Arora-Ahluwalia tribe. The reason, I tell you Khatris are of Indo-Scythian origin. I read this somewhere in a book telling about history, ancestry and origins of Punjabi tribes.It was also written that Khatris also have genetic, ancestral and ethnic relations with Punjabi tribes of Rajputs, Jats, Tarkhans, Lohars, Gujjars, and Kambojas. This clearly proves that Khatris are of Kshaitrya and Indo-Scythian origin [2] [3] [4].And also these 7 tribes had common ancestors through generations. But few Emigrated from siberia into India than into different parts of the country. Due to their migration to different parts of the country from 300 BC 1400 AD, various people of Indo-Scythian (who came from Siberia and Eastern Europe) tribe got their names on the basis of their occupations. Those who Became :-
The surnames are common of these 7 tribes.
Later in 1600 AD Aroras (including Ahluwalias) came from came from Iranian plateau , a region of Middle East. During that time, This tribes was an Indigenous tribe. They Later immigrated to Northern India. During Mughal peroid Khatris were mainly concerntrated in West and East Punjab. But they were given orders to go to Delhi (where Aroras were and still are mainly concerntrated In Delhi) to save Aroras from the tortures of Mughals because the seven tribes were once Warriors .Since then Khatris started living in Delhi but now also they are mostly found in East Punjab and West Punjab than Delhi. Khatris are 40% Sikhs, 30% Hindus and 30% Muslims. That is why they intermarry themselves with Arora-Ahluwalia who are moslty found in Delhi. But Khatris have an old tradition of Intermarrying themselves with the people of these 7 tribes. So please user:intothefire i requset you to response . -- KJTRGKL ( talk) 18:35, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Hitro talk 13:11, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi intothefire, could you please have another look at the Khokhar article as there is an on going debate on the talk page which is becoming increasing ridiculous, as an active contributor to the article your views on the matter would be appreciated. Regards. Khokhar ( talk) 16:59, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
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Please watch out for vandalism by KhatriNYC (you can be fairly sure that he is neither a Khatri, nor someone familiar with Khatri heritage). He has been inserting frivolus and bogus information, and deleting carefully added information from the article. ISKapoor ( talk) 14:54, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Done, and copyvios removed. Thanks, happy editing to you. Keegan ( talk) 21:06, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Vanniyars are not at all Kshatriyas, they're a low, backward class. They were confered the MBC (Most Backward Class) status in TamilNadu. How can they claim Kshatriya status without any historical proof. They are just vandalizing Kshatriya wikipedia page. Kshatriyas were Kings, Nobles/Landlords, Army chieftains... Vanniyars were none of these, they were agricultural labours. Vanniyars (which is not even a caste but a community of castes) constitute around 30/40 percent of the whole tamil population. It would mean that 30/40% of tamils have noble origins ??!!... What a nonsense!!... Please see this link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FRIENDS_of_UP/message/1544
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.46.96.182 ( talk) 11:14, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Please see also this link if you don't still believe me:
http://books.google.com/books?id=ppbkEJAEVCIC&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=vanniyars+low+caste&source=bl&ots=_34TaHb8RK&sig=cSKxSvpc3HkgdToO7YjA1z4d-RM&hl=en&ei=VwsdS8DiGdrOjAf21PiKBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CBgQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=vanniyars%20low%20caste&f=false The everyday politics of labour: working lives in India's informal economy By Geert de Neve page 77. Vanniyars are labours, shudras, it is 100% sure. I'm not vandal. Those who add Vanniyars as kshatriyas are the real vandals. You must prevent them from editing ksahtriya wikipedia page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.46.96.182 ( talk) 21:05, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Is there any possibility to protect Kshatriya wikipedia page from these vandals ? 90.46.96.182 ( talk) 22:29, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
warrior 4321 17:48, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Where is Sohan Lal Suri cited in the Wikipedia? You may respond here. -- Bejnar ( talk) 17:55, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
On the issue of leaving non-notable people on the list, if they have an article but are not apparently notable, the proper procedure is to prod them or to go through an articles for deletion procedure. Did you have anyone in particular in mind? -- Bejnar ( talk) 07:07, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
It is not generally a good idea to use the footnoting format for references on a talk page. They can get lost in a number of ways. It is better to put them as parenthetical notes. That keeps the comment together and the notes separated from anyone else's footnotes. If you want to put them below the body of the comment, put them directly there without using the ref tags. -- Bejnar ( talk) 16:23, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi, Actually, in the Template, it is meant the first period of the Kabul Shahi dynasty. The first dynasty of Kabul Shahi is also known as Ratbel-Shahan, which ruled parts of Afghanistan between 565 CE to 670 CE with Kapisa, Kabul and Kandahar as their capitals. However, the term "Kabul Shahi" has also been used for "Hindu Shahi" when they had Udabhandapura as their capital, because Hindu Shahis were their descendants. So Ghaznavids defeated Hindu Shahis, not the early Kabul Shahis.
In the Template, we should only keep the record for the early Kabul Shahis. We are not interested in the later Hindu Shahis because they ruled outside the current Afghan territories. Ariana ( talk) 21:40, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi Intothefire, I added refs to the Afghan (name) article. Al-Utbi and Beyhaqi had mentioned Afghans before Al-Biruni, so I placed Al-Biruni's citation after them in the paragraph. Check out the current version. Thanks. Massa Getae (talk) 05:49, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi Intothefire, you have corrected the above article but his birthplace and caste both are doubtful. Raja Todarmal was born at Laharpur (district Sitapur) Ref: Official Government website of Sitapur in Famous Personalities section where you can see the name of Raja Todar Mal. Yon can see another website of Indian National Cartographic Association where DR. R.S. TOLIA, IAS Principal Secretary & Commissioner, Forests & Rural Development, Government of Uttaranchal(INDIA) also confirms it at in Raja Todar Mal section (The Akbar Nama : Abu-I-Fazl : Translated from the Persian by Henry Beveridge, ICS. Pages : 61-62. Vol. III). It may be possible that he was shifted to Lahore from Laharpur. About his caste A Book : The Minister for permanent unrest Topic: “And on You also be Peace” Page 220 at Line 4 confirms that he was from a kayastha community and another book Introduction the medieval legacy Page 25, second last line shows that he was a Khatri Raja. Spjayswal67 ( talk) 11:44, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
I noticed you fixed some recent vandalism on Sudhun and thank you for that. However, I really don't think it is necessary to list vandal edits on the talk page when a simple message like "revert vandalism" in the edit summary will do just as well. The place to warn about vandalism is on the editor's talk page using the {{ uw-vandalism1}} - {{ uw-vandalism4}} templates. To instead highlight vandalism on the article talk page could be considered in civil by some, and I am concerned that it might encourage other vandals. I have therfore removed that section from Talk:Sudhun, and would urge you to do likewise on other article talk pages where you have simply listed vandalism or warned specific editors (eg: here, here, here, and here). Astronaut ( talk) 18:05, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi Astronaut
Thanks for your message. My reasons for recording vandal deletions of referenced content are the folowing .
Intothefire ( talk) 08:07, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
You requested my help and provided 4 examples of the problems you have been experiencing. I was going to reply on my talk page, but I felt it more relevant to place my response here. I'll watchlist this page, so if you reply here I will notice.
I am far from an expert on the history of the region and when it comes to whether something is "the truth" or not, I have only the sources to go on - in fact Wikipedia relies on verifiability rather than truth, however, I am aware that political/nationalist/tribal/language disputes have been a feature of the region for hundreds (maybe thousands) of years. I also do not read any of the languages used in the region and only have the ability to machine translate where the tools are provided (ie. Google Translate). That said, let's take a look at your concerns:
One general observation though: you should adopt a more civil tone and assume good faith when commenting on other people's edits, whether your comment is on the talk page or just in an edit summary - not everyone who reverts your edits is vandalising or doing so to be deliberately combative. Astronaut ( talk) 17:38, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you recently copied or moved text from History of Pakistan into Hindu and Buddhist heritage of Pakistan. While you are welcome to re-use Wikipedia's content, here or elsewhere, Wikipedia's licensing does require that you provide attribution to the original contributor(s). When copying within Wikipedia, this is supplied at minimum in edit summary at the page into which you've copied content. It is good practice, especially if copying is extensive, to make a note in an edit summary at the source page as well. The attribution has been provided for this situation, but if you have copied material between pages before, even if it was a long time ago, please provide attribution for that duplication. You can read more about the procedure and the reasons at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. (I just want to say that this was many years ago, and I don't doubt that you know this now. I just have to leave the note to be sure. :)) -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:34, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
"I just want to say that this was many years ago, and I don't doubt that you know this now.
Intothefire ( talk) 06:57, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
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Hi, please could you clarify the citation in Swat River which you added last year? - Fayenatic (talk) 20:09, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
the first should have come after Journal of Indian History By ,
the second should have been after University of Kerala ,
hope that clarifies.
Intothefire (
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17:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Regarding your recent change to it, where you restored cited content deleted by me, I went a long way to find the content. Unfortunately enough it was a false. Given the years, 1913-1936, it is the first edition of enclyopedia. The first edition of the enclyopedia contains 549 pages while the user gives reference of page number 631, which does not exist in the book.
Furthermore the IP address from which it was changed is the very same IP addressed which vandalized almost the whole article. It also removed some important sources and quotations of historians which are in driect conflict with this (false) reference.
Thus I'm reverting back the changes. if you have any queries please feel free.
Regards
OmerKhetran ( talk) 19:53, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Look at Punjab Castes by Ibbetson, at page 203 para 508 Hans and Khagga. Secondly, the Montgommery Gazatteer of 1935, and the 1961 Distict Census Report of Montgommery District both have accounts on the Hans.
In the tribes and Castes by Rose, look at page 261, under the Qureshi entry.
-- WALTHAM2 ( talk) 20:02, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Intothefire ( talk) 07:06, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Category:Pre-Islamic heritage of Afghanistan, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. — Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 17:21, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we must insist that you assume good faith while interacting with other editors, which you did not on Talk:Kutha meat. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Sikh-History 19:17, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
Maybe the categories will be addressed later, but i had a seperate discussion somewhere. Im glad you're enjoying the random anarchy of wikipedia. Someone65 ( talk) 21:11, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
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Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on User talk:Sikh-history. Thank you. You must change your tone and style of editing. You are not Assuming Good Faith. I suggest you read WP:AGF. Sikh-History 08:15, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we must insist that you assume good faith while interacting with other editors, which you did not on Talk:Matharu. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Sikh-History 19:20, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on Talk:Matharu. Thank you. Sikh-History 08:40, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Greetings, I am not an Admin, so cannot help you there. However, a cursory glance at your links shows some concerning issues. I note that a lengthy, detailed list of your concerns was removed from a Talk page as "personal attacks" which it most obviously was not, as it solely addressed an editor's behavior in editing that particular article.
What I would recommend you do is go to WP:ANI (admin noticeboard) and write a very clear and relatively short summary of major concerns. Give it a good clear title like "Possible COI by admin SikhHistory". Then write a very basic info paragraph explaining your overall concerns, in a way that someone completely unfamiliar with the topic would understand: not "But it was in 1978 that Gupta Singh did this, NOT 1979!!!", but instead "my references to the Indian Times have been removed and replaced with quoates from a sectarian blog."
Below that, list out a few examples of the most concerning behavior, such as "removed my detailed and polite concerns, labeling them a personal attack", and then give a link to the "dif". The "dif" is the page where it shows the difference between two versions; where you go into the article History and fill in the bubbles to compare two versions, just copy-paste the address in your text bar and put it between [ brackets ] so that they can rapidly find your examples.
Definitely desist from engaging SikhHistory in the meantime, let the ANI sort him out. Just remember in your ANI post to assume the reader knows nothing about your situation, so make sure to provide context. Argue very unemotionally and dispassionately, just point out the basic facts and how you feel they are against WP policy, in bad faith, or not constructive to improving the articles. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 17:50, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi Dianna
Your advice is noteworthy .
Yes the politesse of engagement must be equal to the substance we contribute to Wikipeedia !
But how impolite is it to politely delude ?,
My issue is with the frequently deceptive nature of mis-referenced , non-referenced , and disingenuous reinstatement of bad content by this user . I will come to other issues later but first a special point
Now to more specific issues with this user .
The last section of this message provides connection to the above .
immoderate words taken , but several terms used alluded to articles and not the user . I trust you have carefully seen the other issues I brought up ...such as misleading links , Connected links to other pages that have linking misinformation . More importantly I do not buy that reinstatement of content of a compulsive vandal msnanda by Sikh history is a coincidence . Specially since what he reinstated on the Khatri page is exactly in line with what you see on the Nanda page . See the Nanda page , it would give you an idea of why I called it crazy .
Hope your proactive intercession is equally weighted to content legitimacy
Regards
Intothefire (
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18:18, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi, can you please step into discussion here Talk:Decline_of_Hinduism_in_Pakistan and give your opinion. Thanks Sarmadhassan ( talk) 02:58, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
As in the discussion of the Topic : Khukhrian you have citied the original content. Can you rever back the same? A person named Anoop Kohli who's IP Address was blocked by wikipedia is now again using the content of the website www.khukhrains.com and have posted from different ip addresses on to the page. Can you rever the content to original/earlier ver as citied. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.178.52.244 ( talk) 18:03, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
You are invited to comment on the content dispute regarding the stubbing of the Mathematics in medieval Islam article Thank You - Aquib ( talk) 04:00, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi - I have nominated this article for deletion because it appears to be an unnecessary duplication of the scope, work and content of Hinduism in Pakistan and Buddhism in Pakistan. Please lend your views. Thanks! Shiva (Visnu) 08:22, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Dear Infothefile . The limits placed on editing the article, will be lifted by tomorrow .So far Rawalpindi Express have not agreed on the issue of deveopling consensus. Instead he have asked Averroist to assist him “reverting the article back to his edits”. (quote from Averroist talk page). It is clear message that he will like to control the article with his own way without respecting others opinions. I don’t have objection on the number of references. But I am against his repetitions. For me Kalgan more resembles with Kalkan/kalakan instead of Kalan Shah. Gowrarra , resembles with Arorra but gow-rrara do means cow herder in Pashtu while he insist to place him in article as Gohar Shah. For him Khokhar Awan and Chohan Awan got the names of mother tribes which is not the custom of this regios . I am of opinion Mr.Khokhar and Chohan married Qutab shah Daughters and later got attached with Awan’s as Qutab Shah’s adopted Sons. What is wrong if he married his daughters to local? When we all accept that he married his Sons to local girls .then it is also possible that he married his daughters to local Muslims. First derive theory does not convinve me as Pashtu/Persian/Arabic and Sanskrit are old languages and they have plenty of words to express helper so why a king who was aleast not knowing (Arabic/ Sanskrit) needed to derived a word for those languages . Any how If the Title of Awan is derived from ( Ahwan (Sanskrit), Haiwan (Persian, Urdu), and Own (English), then this must be supported by dictionary page numbers . In the past he tried to keep his hold on the article and I guess in the future he will try the same. I need your support to save the rights of all the editors no matter they are seasoned one or new comers. Regards Alamsherkhan Alamsherkhan ( talk) 16:31, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
Alamsherkhan, there is little use in appealing to Averroist (amongst others), since he also not only realises the extent to which you have vandalised the article, he has also informed Black Kite about this (and as you know, it was Black Kite who took the step of protecting the article); to quote him:
“Thanks for protectecting the article from editing, but I want to bring into your notice one thing. The article according to the last edit made by Rawalpindi Express contains 41 references, but Alam Sher Khan deleted first five references in his last edit, and you have protected the article with only 36 references. It is the policy of Wikipedia that, ‘Good articles start with a brief lead section introducing the topic.’ Please compare this brief lead section of both versions. You must also see the history of contributions of both users. Rawalpindi Express is giving justification in edit summary of every edit, while Alamsherkhan is deleting, removing referenced material,referenced citations and referenced quotes from this article without any edit summary, and thus he is engaging in non-constructive vandalism. And you have protected the article on his last edit. Rawalpindi Express has long contributing history with positive edits against vandalism, but Alamsherkhan is a new user with a history of engaging in non-constructive vandalism. It is therefore requested that the the article should be restored to the last edit made by Rawalpindi Express, so that till the disputes have been resolved, the standard, principles and guidelines of Wikipedia must be maintained. Regards Averroist (talk) 17:05, 8 August 2011 (UTC)”
It is also Averroist who awarded me with the Anti-Vandalism Barnstar, for my “endless work for protecting Wikipedia article on Awan.”
Moving on, if you are going to make allegations about me, then at least ensure that there is a kernel of truth to what you say. To say that I don’t respect the opinions of others, is complete and utter nonsense. If this was the case, then why didn’t I remove the citation recently added by Intothefire (whom you’ve also appealed to), which mentions the views of Professor Hasan Dhani? As I have emphasised before, despite me being an Awan, I have no cast-iron opinions regarding the origin of the Awan tribe, and that is why I have incorporated the viewpoints of authors who consider the traditional claim made by the bulk of the tribe to Arab origins to be reasonable, as well as the opinions of commentators who reject this contention. Moreover, Intothefire’s inclusion is valid, because his addition was fully referenced – this is a basic point that you still fail to grasp. In fact, apart from Averroist highlighting that you continue to ignore this crucial point, even Intothefire has pointed this out to you (and I quote him directly from a message he left on your user page), “Since this is an encyclopedia , its best that that all information provided is backed up by valid and reliable secondary sources .” Above all, when I myself contacted you, I categorically stated, “...if you are in possession of source material you’d like to add to the article, providing that it is relevant to the subject matter, and fully referenced, then please do contribute to the article, thereby making it more comprehensive.” (And I welcome said additions from anyone else.)
As Intothefire has underlined (and as did I when I got in touch with you), this is an encyclopedia, not a forum for your personal opinions. You assert that I have attempted to keep a "hold" on this article – this is patently untrue. You have only started making contributions to Wikipedia; had you been doing at an earlier point, you would have been aware of the fact that the article in question had not only become a complete mess (which you have taken it back to, due to grammatical errors on your part, and alterations you have made to the structure of the article that have disrupted its flow, as well as rendering it unreadable at times), it was also full of personal points of view, such as those you are attempting to add to the article. As such, a number of senior editors, tagged the entire article and decided that additions to the article that were unreferenced, would have to be removed. Due to this, I spent a number of months accumulating a wide range of source material – whatever was contained within the article that I was able to substantiate, I retained, and whatever I was unable to substantiate (with the aid of valid source material), was removed (as per the request of the senior editors). In fact, to this day, I continue to endeavour that all additions made to the article are fully referenced, I continue to make additions to the article in an effort to improve it (such as the addition of the photo gallery, and the views of contemporary scholars), and when necessary, I continue to refine and clean up the article – so this isn’t a question of me trying to keep a “hold” on the article as you claim, it’s a question of me putting months of hard work into ensuring this is an article of the highest quality possible, that also conforms to certain standards set by Wikipedia (and it is not only Averroist who acknowledges this. Recently, Intothefire also said of my contributions, “Thankyou for the great effort and attention you put into the article . Your contributions are commendable.”), only to have you arbitrarily remove valid and fully referenced additions that do not conform to your personal point of view, and add viewpoints that are unsubstantiated.
Contrary to what you claim, whatever my own personal opinions may be, I have not added them to the article (respecting the fact that doing so is unacceptable as this is an encyclopaedia, and not my own personal thesis) – just recently, Intothefire raised concerns about additions to the article that he considered to constitute personal viewpoints, and having reached a consensus with him (as he made perfectly reasonable points), these additions were removed (thus once again negating your claims about me not being prepared to accept the opinions of others). I should also stress that not all of the material included within the article was added by me either (once again underlining just how false your claims about me are), and all such material has been retained on the basis that it can be substantiated by reliable references. As for you claiming that you object to the “repetitions” I have made within the article, once again, not only are your expressing a personal point of view (which, given the nature of your edits, I don’t wholly accept, but look upon as being a judgement coloured by your biases), it’s a claim that is invalid because the quotes and citations you have removed (valid and fully referenced, and thus your actions are unjustified), lend weight to the additions made to the article as they substantiate and reinforce these pertinent additions. You state, “For me Kalgan more resembles with Kalkan or kalakhan instead of Kalan Shah. Gowrarra , resembles with Arorra. gow-rrara do means cow herder in Pashtu while he insist to place him as Gohar Shah in th article. For him Khokhar Awan and Chohan Awan got the names of mother tribes but I am of opinion Mr.Khokhar and Mr. Chohan married Qutab shah Daughters and the got attached with Awan tribe as Qutab Shah’s adopted Sons.” Firstly, is it arrogance that blinds you to just how ironic the claims you make about me are, in the light of such a statement? In case it needs to be pointed out to you yet again, these are your own personal opinions, and thus, unless you can back them up with referenced source material, it is not reasonable to expect them to be included within the article. Secondly, I am not insistent on naming the individuals in the fashion you so object to, due to my personal viewpoints, but because those are direct quotes and citations, and therefore those who authored the works that reference has been made to, refer to these individuals as such – therefore, if you are not already aware of this, please let me draw your attention to the fact that you cannot alter a direct quote or citation. As for what you have to say about Rose needing to cite page numbers from a dictionary in order to support his views, that’s just ridiculous; the work authored by Rose, is widely-respected and widely-acknowledged, and has been cited by other experts in this field (and as it is, you not have cited a single page number from any valid or recognised source – does this not smack of hypocrisy on your part?). And in case it escaped your attention, I actually did cite a dictionary reference relating to the etymology of ‘Awan’ (complete with a page number).
Lastly, at least have the decency not to spread blatant lies about me; you told Averroist that I “got warning for deletion” – that you can be so disingenuous, beggars belief; I never received any such warning, the reality is, Palltrast warned me about engaging in an edit war with you – it’s the same warning you also received from him, and in the interests of jogging your memory, let me reproduce said warning that was left on your user page, as well as mine:
“You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Awan (Pakistan) . Users are expected to collaborate with others and avoid editing disruptively. In particular, the three-revert rule states that: 1. Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block. 2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right. If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you continue to edit war, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Palltrast (talk) 06:38, 8 August 2011 (UTC)”
Your hypocrisy and attempts to twist the truth, are breathtaking, Alamsherkhan.
Rawalpindi Express ( talk) 16:21, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi Intothefire. Contrary to what you may think due to our recent interaction, seeing you blocked is the last thing I want to happen. I have some of the same concerns which you have. But I cannot achieve anything by getting myself banned, can I? Some of the issues which concern you had recently come up for discussion at WT:IN, too. However, I don't remember seeing any comments from you there. You can watchlist the noticeboard to keep abreast of India related issues which come up there. And do feel free to drop in on my talk page from time to time. :-) MW ℳ 08:25, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Is there any reason why, after nearly 5000 edits, you are still incapable of following the guidelines for talk page posts? Your latest here is as poorly formatted etc as any of your previous ones, and this is despite you being asked previously to pay more attention to this issue. - Sitush ( talk) 14:27, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to attack other editors, as you did on Talk: Jat people. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. You are welcome to rephrase your comment as a civil criticism of the article. Thank you. There are way's and methods of doing things without personal attacks. SH 18:03, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
Discussions at WP:ANI can become quite heated at times. Comments made there are seen by a concentrated audience of administrators and other experienced users. As such, it is sensible to word such comments carefully; perhaps even more so than you would usually do. For this reason, I think it might be wise for you to read up on Wikipedia's attitude towards personal attacks and good faith before you add anything further to that page. Of course, it is entirely your choice whether or not to heed this advice. - Sitush ( talk) 13:53, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
I've deleted your recent additions to Jogendra Nath Bhattacharya but will try to go through them later to see if there is in fact anything that can be salvaged. You had effectively done exactly the same thing as in previous contributions to articles such as Khokhars and Gakhars (Hindu), ie: inserted an unnecessarily long quotation. Those articles turned into quote farms and even now are very, very poor due to the disconnection between the various elements within them. Furthermore, your edit to Jogendra Nath Bhattacharya seemed to me possibly to have taken the sources out of context, thus presenting a one-sided "weasel-y" depiction of the man. This appearance is from my own memory of those sources: I'll check later today and reinstate if appropriate.
I know that the issue of quote farms has been raised in relation to your contributions on several occasions in the past. Please can you try to use your own words and limit quotations to, say, a maximum of three or four sentences. There is no set rule, but common sense plays a large part: we are supposed to be writing an encyclopaedia here, not forming articles that consists mainly of verbatim copies of what someone else said.If quotes become more than, say, 5% or 10% of an article then we're probably doing something wrong. - Sitush ( talk) 12:24, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contributions. I am glad to see that you are discussing a topic. However, as a general rule, talk pages such as Jogendra Nath Bhattacharya are for discussion related to improving the article, not general discussion about the topic. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting our reference desk and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. Thank you. Sitush ( talk) 17:05, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
You inserted "Baij Nath Puri states that "The wrong concept about the status of the Khatris in Hindu Social hierarchy was initially brought forth by a pseudo pandit Joginder Nath Bhattacharya who was a dismissed employee of the Burdwan Khatri Rai" .[3] He gave vent to his feeling [4] ,under the influence of a personal grudge against Burdwan".[5]" into Jogendra Nath Bhattacharya a few hours ago. It is clearly derived from a snippet view of the book here. Please do not insert into articles content which it is quite clear you are taking from a GBooks snippet view: such views lack sufficient context for assessment of the points being raised by the author(s), however certain it may appear to be.
I apologise for continuing to raise such issues here but, really, what else can I do? Somehow, I have to get the message across. - Sitush ( talk) 17:36, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Please stop using talk pages such as Jogendra Nath Bhattacharya for general discussion of the topic. They are for discussion related to improving the article; not for use as a forum or chat room. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting our reference desk and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. See here for more information. Thank you. Sitush ( talk) 17:37, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
This is your only warning; if you make personal attacks on other people again, as you did at Talk:Khatri, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Sitush ( talk) 19:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
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Boing! said Zebedee (
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19:06, 27 November 2011 (UTC)Sorry, but you have to stop these personal attacks. Disagreeing with other editors is fine, and saying that you think they are wrong is fine, but comments like the following are simply not acceptable...
I tried to caution you earlier in a friendly manner after you did somewhat malign the same editor at ANI, because I really did not want you to be blocked (you clearly have done quite a bit of good work at Wikipedia), but I can't stand by and ignore personal attacks like this. Please do have a read of WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL, and feel free to request an unblock if you believe you can continue to edit without repeating this behaviour -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 19:12, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
I've given you my position, and I don't respond to demands. But please do feel free to file a report in the appropriate forum if you think my actions require review. Best regards -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 18:47, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
OK, here's something of an answer to the demand above, where you asked me to make a categorical statement about the two sets of comments.
The thing is, I don't see the world of human interaction as being split into unambiguous categories. Instead, when it comes to dialogue, there is a whole spectrum of civility, from sweetness and light at one end to vile attack at the other - and most interaction falls somewhere in between. Now, when I see a comment and need to decide from an admin perspective whether it needs any action, I examine how far to the "attack" end of the spectrum I think it is. Sitush's comment (question, or whatever) was so mild that I didn't even need to consider it - whereas yours, coupled with your similar past behaviour, to my mind clearly was sufficient to require action. And that's it really.
As for your "confusion" above, it really is easy to understand - all people are saying is that if *you* believe someone's comments need admin action, *you* are welcome to make the decision for yourself and make whatever report *you* feel is appropriate - we're not going to hold your hand and tell you exactly who to report, where, and when.
Finally, looking back over your past interactions, I see a pretty aggressive approach to disagreement in general, and I think that's your main problem. You really do need to tone down your confrontational attitude and try assuming good faith a bit more - before you hit the "Save page" button, stop for a moment, imagine yourself in a face-to-face situation, and think about whether you would openly say those same words were you not hidden behind a keyboard. Best wishes -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 09:17, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
In December last year someone explained to you why a revert is not an addition. You may want to re-read that message because the error that you appear to have made on that occasion was repeated earlier today here. Thanks. - Sitush ( talk) 17:10, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
Hello, Intothefire, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia!
I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you worked on, Baid, for deletion because I don't think it meets our criteria for inclusion. If you don't want the article deleted:
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It helps to explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page. If you have any questions, feel free to ask on the Help Desk. Thanks again for contributing! Qwyrxian ( talk) 14:21, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Please be aware of Wikipedia's policy that biographical information about living persons must not include unsupported or inaccurate statements. Whenever you add possibly controversial statements about a living person to an article or any other Wikipedia page, as you did to Jatt Sikh, you must include proper sources. If you don't know how to cite a source, you may want to read Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners for guidelines. Thank you. Sitush ( talk) 10:52, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living persons, as you did to Jatt Sikh. Thank you.
That is a straight BLP violation. Stop it, please. Sitush ( talk) 14:40, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Please can you stop adding people to the list of notable Jatt Sikhs unless you have a reliable source to support that they were in fact Jatt Sikh. Furthermore, if they are alive then you should ensure that they have self-identified as being of that community, otherwise the info may still be deleted. There has been a discussion rumbling about this at WT:INB for some days now but it is basically several people vs one, and only the one would support the actions in which you are currently engaged. - Sitush ( talk) 15:34, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Please do not add unsourced content, as you did to Jatt Sikh. This contravenes Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. If you continue to add unsourced information, after having been involved in the discussion and without consensus, you will be blocked from editing -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 14:13, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
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Now the difference , While both the quotes mine and yours carry exactly the same book , author , ISBN no ... yours carries the weblink and mine doesn't .
And this is a reason for you to delete the quote from the article ?post a warning on my page saying persistent violators will be blocked ? Whereas since you were perfectly well aware of the book hyperlink you could have simply added the hyperlink and let the quote remain ?
But instead you made a conscious choice to delete my contribution ,not discuss on the talk page and to post a threat on my talk page accusing me of copyright violation which would get me blocked .
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You are not mentioned by name but the Punjab article above is among items being discussed at ANI. - Sitush ( talk) 11:34, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
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I have just reverted you at WT:INB. Feel free to raise your concerns at an appropriate forum which, as you have been told on several occasions, is most likely to be WP:ANI. - Sitush ( talk) 18:09, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Moonriddengirl
Can you please confirm that the following construct of a brief quotation from a book which I am proposing to put on article James Mill meets Wikipedia copyright requirements , or that it could be enhanced .Since the quote is brief , I wish to put the quote and not a paraphrase in my own words . The proposed edit in question along with citation and weblink follows in italics viz:
According to Thomas Trautman's account "James Mill's highly influential History of British India (1817) -most particularly the long essay 'Of the Hindus' comprising ten chapters –is the single most important source of Indophobia and hostility to Orientalism"
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[6]
Thanks
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{{
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13:22, 11 March 2012 (UTC)Given your lengthy history of failing to follow WP:AGF and of making repeated personal attacks against other editors, be warned that your next transgression will earn you a significantly stiffer sanction - possibly an indefinite block, or a topic ban from all articles covered by the above notice. This really is your last chance. -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 13:32, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
I have just read your exchange with RHaworth at User talk:RHaworth#Punjab Education in 19 and 20th Century. If, once your block expires, you choose to write a new version of that article, please note that it should not consist of just a series of close paraphrases. You should use sources to support your content (and can include an occasional short quote, provided it is presented properly), but the bulk of the article should be written in your own words. Should a new version consist of no more than a series of close paraphrases, it may possibly also be deleted - the trick is to make sure that the text you write is sufficiently dissimilar to the sources you use for it. -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 13:51, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
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This guy Sitush keeps removing references to Wikely and calls him a plagiarist but never seem to give his source. It is hopeless having any discussion with him as it is followed by rather nasty personal attacks. Sadly his knowledge of Punjab and in particular west Punjab seems non existent. As someone with some expertise on Punjab ethnography, have seen any source which refers to Wikely plagiarism.
cheers. -- WALTHAM2 ( talk) 23:54, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
-- WALTHAM2 ( talk) 08:15, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
In my opinion, he probably should not be used at all, except in articles about him and about Raj military recruitment. However, I have not gone around deleting every reference to him (yet) and I am perfectly content should you want to make an issue of it at WP:RSN. - Sitush ( talk) 09:55, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
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Boing! said Zebedee | 22 Contributions on my page | Blocked me twice , * Once for this skirmish edit with Sitush , which was deleted by JanetteDoe * and once for this * and reported by JanetteDoe to * Boing! said Zebedee who happily obliges with a wink and :-) . Many times they encounter me together |
Intothefire ( talk) 17:47, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
Looking back it does seem a pattern to hound and harass me with deletions , threats and name calling to have me blocked . Intothefire ( talk) 18:48, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
{{
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{{
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Let's talk about it!
15:13, 9 December 2012 (UTC)Intothefire ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
A discussion at is going on regarding Sitush's complaint of Doncram , Doncram complains of rude comments by Sitush .Several other editors have noted his rude behavior in this discussion . Bong Sid Zebdee defends Sitush's behaviour . Having been continuously harassed and troubled by these two together and noticed a team working in conjunction ( also noticed by several others in this discussion itself) , I comment on how Sitush gets away with rude behavior under protection from the admin BSD . And Salvio bans me . But see the following few diffs and dozens of others I could provide of how these two in conjunction have directed bad faith at me and several others . Examples- (1) outright 1st December- Rude Comment (2) 1st November-Deletion without discussion (3) Proposes Deletion of a category I make(4) 14th November- Rude CommentSays I am afraid you cannot even count 6th November I provide a specific instance how the admin BSD has been unfairly collaborating against me with Sitush 17th October I provide 10 instances of deletions of my edits by Sitush 28th Feb I provide the complete details how Sitush and this admin combine to unfairly delete an article I started . I have repeatedly been banned by the admin BSD for his protection to Sitush .Scores of my edits have been deleted by Sitush and scores of rude comments .This ban for participating in a ANI discussion is unjustified action should be on Sitush and BSD . Intothefire ( talk) 17:40, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
Decline reason:
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Any chance that you could learn how to cite sources consistently? This is poor.-- 2.219.218.79 ( talk) 18:12, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
Is the person who has posted the above three successive messages , posting from ip 2.219.218.79 again Sitush . Confirm ? !! Intothefire ( talk) 12:56, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
It appears that you were a major contributor to the abovementioned article. I have been working on cleaning up and improving articles about figures from the chronicle; if you are interested, any assistance or even advice you could render would be greatly appreciated. dci | TALK 22:57, 24 February 2013 (UTC) Ya sure .. Intothefire ( talk) 04:42, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
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