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So, basically, the most important thing to do now is to categorise all Indonesia-related articles. Please read Wikipedia:WikiProject Indonesia/Assessment. Oh, before that, you might want to add your name to Wikipedia:WikiProject Indonesia/Members. Well actually, I should have put a list of to-do, but its 12:30 in Melbourne and I need to get some sleep. I'll get back to you in the morning. Cheers, take care -- Imo eng 14:35, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Do you mind if I add that userbox on your userpage? Sorry, I didn't mean to vandalise your userpage. Cheers -- Imo eng 22:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Wow, thats great, you've add an Indonesia-related news. Thanks for contributing Indon, keep up the good work. Btw, do you still have any concern about editing Wikipedia? Just drop me a message or go to WP:HD. Take care -- Imo eng 09:12, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
The new collaboration page has been created. For now, it is a "collaboration of the week" with standard rules and stuff, which later we can decide for any changes. But now, lets start nominating articles (one article for each person!) and voting. Please take a look at the page. Cheers -- Imo eng 11:21, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
That is a really great idea to split the section into two (the previous thing). Well done! Hey, could you participate on WP:FPCAN?? Thanks, take care -- Imo eng 09:54, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Hahaha, we are talking about two different things at the same time. Yeah, thats a good idea, but I don't have the capability to do that. The article/picture/biography will change with the week number. So this week is week 33, and every article changes. So it is unlikely (for me!) to change the articles on a different day. About the bot, ummm, I'm not an expert about that. Which part of the portal are you talking about to use bot? Cheers -- Imo eng 09:58, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
You do deserve it. Actually, I'm interested in expanding Tourism in Indonesia about travel warning and stuff. Why don't you put that on the nomination list? Cheers -- Imo eng 10:37, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
See [1]. Its all there, hahahaha. Except we have to avoid the WP:NPOVs. Cheers -- Imo eng 11:41, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for your info on the keling. This is something i have never heard before. Even though i was the one who actually put the reference into the [[Indonesia] article some months back, i actually agree with your suggestion to put it into the Medan article - in fact, I have done it already! As for my reference to Tamil language vs. yours about Chinese, i meant Tamil is spoken within the Tamil community - not others. Are you new to Wikipedia?? We need more people like you. Ie, i do a lot of editing of other people's work, but you have brought NEW info and we need that. I second Imoeng barnstart commendation. I am also very keen on the Indonesia-related articles. See you around. Cheers. Merbabu 12:40, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Hey, how are you? You know, I was looking at the older entries for Tourism in Indonesia and I thought we've done a very grrrreat job. Just to let you know, this is my very first collaboration and I enjoy it very much. Take care -- Imo eng 10:00, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I was just wondering can we stop the voting process now and decide the article? As probably no one will vote anymore. Thank you -- 10:50, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Hahahah, yeah, I'm leaving in 20 minutes though, so I can do some referencing. Hey, how do you like my new signature? The "I" is linked to WP:INA, heheheh.. SOme kind of promotion. Cheers -- I mo eng 21:06, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Tonight I can't edit anything (except this), heheh, heaps of project to do. Hey, take a look at my signature and click the "I", please. Do you think the other guys like to have that too on their signature? Cheers -- I mo eng 10:20, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Not bad - still room for improvement! :) But better than it was folks! SatuSuro 13:21, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
and one of the problems with tourism is that it is not a list of desinations, thats the other wiki, not this one! . I would be very wary about encouraging me to edit this article as i believe that from living in Yogya in 95-96, I have a late Suharto era 'tourism in decline' perspective, and a very strong academic perspective that is critical of indonesian governments pre- suharto fall and post fall in the way that the tourism industry is a function of political and economic manipulation as well as one which is quite complicated in the way that Indonesian culture gets all mixed up with it. Not a simple story! SatuSuro 13:37, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Somebody put a the WP:NPOV in dispute tag in the article page. Could you please tell me what are the dispute? What part of the article that does not give NPOV? — Indon 08:18, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, I could copyedit them, but I'm afraid I don't know much about Bandung, so I'm afraid the real meaning will change if I edit it. So yeah, stuff like that.. Just remember, if you want to point about something which is a thought or things like that, just change the wording and provide citations and everything will be alright. Take care -- I mo eng 09:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Hey there, could you give me some suggestions of what article should I work on tonight? Cheers -- I mo eng 10:17, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Tourism art - I did it after all - wehat do you think? SatuSuro 10:33, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
If you dont understand me, please let me know - I would rather explain something properly, rather than being dismissed. There is too much to enjoy di dalam wiki to get too worried about anything :)!! Dengan hormat, mudah mudahan saya bisa explain further soon!
SatuSuro 12:55, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
This is a hard time for Indonesian wikipedians, especially after the Historical context thing. Well in my opinion, we can ask him to put citations, but he told you he wont be online for two weeks, am I right? Another thing is, is it a good option to save it on other page first, then if everything has been sorted out, we can "publish" it again. Seriously, do you have an external email? Cause I need to talk to you about this. Cheer -- I mo eng 09:33, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
If you thought I was offline - I did not say that. I simply said I was not prepared to work on the tourism art in the next week or so, I have a large number of refs/citations on this issues that I simply cannot access at the moment - I did post grad research on the subject. :) I really think to pull a section of an article simply because I dont come up with them overnight is a bit too excitable for my style. I have to work on articles that people do not cleanup or fixup in 3 months, and you guys want one night or pull it? Come on be a bit more patient guys!
Maybe best if you want to do Indonesian articles you do them - and maybe If I contribute, you could communicate -directly- with me, so we can clear up any misunderstandings, as it has gone beyond the joke :) Be very careful wikipedia is for everyone - you must be aware that no one article is any ones possession ! Anyone can come in and edit and place any number of demands on what you think is good. Be careful, try not to take your edits and work too personally, or you will be dissapointed with wikipedia. Slow down, hati hati, and take it easy guys :) SatuSuro 10:35, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
User:SatuSuro/sandbox yang nomor sembilan - tetapi biasanya Bali :(, semua Jawa refs masih di dalam kotak kotak :( SatuSuro 14:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your corrections - mine did indeed need improving. But, if you ask me, i think you replaced one error with another (although yours not as bad). So, i changed it. My intent is that the fighting/violence has stopped, but maybe the seperatist issue not fully resolved. I am sure some still want it even if they have stopped fighting and given up their weapons. Merbabu 08:18, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi I'm fine thanks, how are you? It is good, but I think the word "click here to reply" won't be used for announcement and stuff. But yeah its better cause I can just click it to send you a message. Btw, which email did you send me to? Cheers -- I mo eng 11:18, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Hey there, I've created the skeletons, probably you can help me expand it. Please see Portal:Indonesia/Selected_articles cause I'm at school now, ahahaha. Cheers -- I mo eng 02:17, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
+ Indonesian selected article talk
You have mentioned "I" in your tag that you are putting in talk pages, but there is no signature after it. :) SatuSuro 08:53, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
No no, I'm not that good, I was just blatantly ripped that from WP:FA, but, well, umm, that is the best I can think of. And thank you for participating everything I have created, I've never seen someone who can appreciate other's work like you do. Cheers!! -- I mo eng 09:03, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
There's a spelling mistake! SatuSuro 10:07, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Cheers, Indon! It becomes a great project because we have people like you, who are also contribute significantly to the project. Oh, while I'm writing this message, I just want to ask for your opinion first. What do you think if the collaboration candidate will be decided every friday? So we can spend the weekend to edit the new COTW article. Cheers -- I mo eng 11:27, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Basically wikipedians can load user boxes onto their userpages with up to 100 or more affiliations - and be listed in all the categories. I consider it now to be irrelevent, and admire people with minimal user pages, as the main purpose is to edit, not worry about userpages. If I signed up for all the large range of my different interests, I would be wasting server space and bandwidth. I waste enough on other peoples talk pages as it is :) . Also I have some issues which will probably take me away from my internet access at any time. The principal of wikipedia is "that anyone can edit" and I dont have to have a label or badge to do so in any article. If you dont like me editing portal pages, correcting spelling or grammar, or revealing embarrassing things about myself on indonesian articles or the portal without "being a member", there's nothing I can do about that, sorry SatuSuro 12:46, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
When talk pages get too long, it is useful - even article talk pages as well - look at Subud :) SatuSuro 23:27, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Unless I see something inside the portal guidelines that have very clear parameters - so far just general guidelines for the whole of wikipedia are not specific enough, - so thanks for your editing on that issue SatuSuro 23:49, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
To whomever who wants to start a topic, could you please point to me, just a few words, what are you going to talk about??. Sometimes I'm confused myself reading my own talk pages. Except if you start a topic that replies my comment on your talk page. — Indon ( reply) — 09:23, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Done! Ah, one more thing, next time could you please also put the news on the "more current events" link? If you can't just tell me and I'll do that. Cheers -- I mo eng 10:35, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Keliling, I am back on WPI list :) SatuSuro 13:19, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Actually I was thinking to make a page just like the Selected Article nominees page, so we can vote for the pictures. However probably I'll do it tonight, as I'm going to watch The Simpsons now, hehehehe. So you could choose it yourself, I reckon. If you could make the selected picture nominees page, please do so.
One of the interesting points of Dahlan's differences with the admin of the Yk Kraton was the direction indication to Mecca/Kaaba - qibla in the main mosque in Yk - if you dont have that in the article you are translating, it might not be relevant to the Muh article, but if anyone does a longer article on Dahlan - IMHO it is a point worth raising. SatuSuro 03:29, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Indon. Thanks for removing the stub from Constitution of Indonesia. I wasn't sure why it was there, but as I wrote the article, I thought it would be a bit sombong if I removed the tag myself. Also, the person who put it there doesn't have a userpage. Regards. Davidelit 05:12, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
THanks for the info on Kampung Keeling. I will try and incorporate a bit somewhere. -- Merbabu 02:34, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, I'll help you right away with the article. Right now I'm writing a message to Feureau about the portal regarding selected articles. And from the messages I've read on Bandung article, it seems his standard is very high, or maybe, umm, I don't know, but just assume good faith. I'll get back to you ASAP. Cheers -- I mo eng 09:19, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
No, no, I have plenty of time. Right now I'm looking for references and cleaning up POVs. See ya there! Cheers -- I mo eng 10:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
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Hi Indon, apa kabar? I read your comments supporting the merger of the Gilchrist document with Sukarno. You make some good points. I think that other articles should link to this, for example Indonesian Civil War, but I haven't linked it because I and others are still arguing with the author about the title of that article. Other articles that should link to it include Indonesia-Malaysia_confrontation and 'Subandrio' - which doesn't exist yet.
Another reason the artcle is short is that is doesn't have the text of the Gilchrist document of any of the background, such as the burning of the British Embassy.
If articles linked to the Gilchrist Document and it was exanded to include the text, would your opinion change? Regards Davidelit 03:00, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes Indon I've noticed that, but unfortunately, my knowledge is not broad enough to update the DYK entries. And yes, your suggestion is very good and I think it will suit the Indonesian portal. Based on my observation, other portals update the DYK section "manually", so without any sophisticated tools and stuff.
One more thing is, before September 1, my internet connection will be very bad, thus I won't be able to contribute as much as I usually am. So, I'd like to ask you to be my "wingman", ahahhaha, like maintaining INA and PID while I'm not here. Cause I reckon you are so dilligent on updating these projects. Could you do that? Not everyday though, just for special occassion. Cheers -- I mo eng 09:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I have an idea about an auto-rotation system for the DYKs, but we will need many pages and I'm not sure whether Wikipedia allows it. So this is the idea. Make a page with the name of the week, or day, or month, its not really important. And on that page, list 5 DYKs. On another page, which named with the week or day or the month after, contains another 5 DYKs, or maybe just one new DYK, you just have to delist one entry. Got the idea? lol, cheers -- I mo eng 10:36, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Greatness! But don't you think the LS is pretty long? Oh well it should be alright as the article expands. Also, I think we should use another image for the lead section, as Dewi Sri statue, umm, well probably it is good. I just think that a wider image should be used. In conclusion, good job! Cheers -- I mo eng 12:43, 30 August 2006 (UTC) No, no, I'm not good at writing lead sections. Ahahaha, I can only find references, and that is all about it. Okay, we shall continue this tomorrow as I need to go to bed. Have a good night (if its night there). Cheers -- I mo eng 13:43, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Indon,
I think Did every wikipedian knows? should probably be "Does every wikipedian know this?"
I hope you dont mind the comment.
I am impressed by your pacificist quote - I think the world would be a much better place if many people and many countries could follow that!
SatuSuro 12:10, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
OK - but in that case to be correct english - "Did every wikipedian know?' would be better IMHO. SatuSuro 12:15, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Please dont apologise - I should to you, Imoeng and Merbabu for my crankiness on the weekend SatuSuro 12:20, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Re the Nias entry - it reads "at his hands", I think it would read better "in his hands". SatuSuro 08:17, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, umm, I'm pretty confused now.. Lets see, ahahahah..
Cheers -- I mo eng 08:39, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Could you do me a favor? Please look at Indonesia#Demographics and find heaps of references. Apparently a genius has tagged lots of "fact" in the section, please see it, what a real genius. Cheers -- I mo eng 11:33, 31 August 2006 (UTCW) Well, umm, ahahhaah, my middle name is Google, its Timur Google Imam Nugroho, hehehe. Sorry if I overlap your edits! Cheers -- I mo eng 12:45, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
I've created a transparent version of the Garuda image, but I'm not sure whether the license of the original allows me to upload it. See the discussion on commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Vector-Images.com I think I'm probably not allowed to modify the image, but will pose the question there.-- Bwmodular 08:17, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Here it is - I won't have time to alter any of the pages that use the coat of arms today myself.
-- Bwmodular 08:35, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi there how are you going? I think I really need a wikibreak, as I haven't started any project and I just really need some time to leave Wikipedia for a while. So, in the mean time, could you do what I asked you before? Many thanks! I mo eng 10:20, 4 September 2006 (UTC)