AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! What a shit-shamble of mongsters! Did you even bother to look at that article? Of course you didn't... Y'know, I'm suddenly minded of an old comment from one of our more eloquent erstwhile contributors:
I'm glad that the stereotype of Wiki editors as pompous, sanctimonious, power-drunk jobsworth arseholes actively blocking having entries improved and corrected if the requisite forms haven't been filled out in triplicate in exactly the right shade of blue ink between 2.16pm and 2.23pm on a Tuesday has turned out to be a myth.
This discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Alex Shih, just to clarify, if I might. Do you think, personally, on the basis of the sources that have been provided in the
Michael Michael article, that he can be fairly accused of being involved in the murder of Charlie Wilson? I think you would agree with me that that is quite a serious accusation to make against someone who is still alive? Of course, having read the sources provided, you might feel that such a claim is indeed justified. In which case, I guess, you would feel it your duty to re-add that material. Personally, I'd recommend a little caution in that regard. Thanks for your time. Regards.
Martinevans123 (
talk)
16:18, 24 August 2017 (UTC)reply
FWIW, Michael Michael has been reporting as saying he knows who killed Charlie Wilson. The gutting and edit warring on the article removed that little important bit. So no, that is not a BLP violation. —
nihlus kryik (
talk)
19:17, 24 August 2017 (UTC)reply
I don't understand your assertion that I need to provide sources. I stated the reason for the paragraph and why it was included and that it wasn't accusing him of the murder as you said. —
nihlus kryik (
talk)
19:26, 24 August 2017 (UTC)reply
@
Drmies:, I'm disappointed because I expected you'd at least check the
edit history before agreeing with this nonsense. The section heading "Murder of Charlie Wilson" was clearly listed as a subheading of "Career as Informant". Nobody was accusing the subject of murdering Charlie Wilson, but instead discussing the claim that subject knew the identity of the killer. This is as far from a BLP violation as I can imagine.
AlexEng(
TALK)20:46, 24 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Yeah,
John, I agree it could use a
RS, but that's a far cry from the outlandish claim that the subject was being "accused of being involved in ... murder". It also doesn't excuse a 3RR violation, when the policy explicitly states "but my edits were right, so it wasn't edit warring" is no defense. This is especially egregious given the fact that
3RRNO was explicitly not used as rationale in any of the edit summaries, and the editor failed to participate in discussion which would have easily cleared this up despite urging to do just that.
AlexEng(
TALK)21:08, 24 August 2017 (UTC)reply
AlexEng, I don't understand why you're disappointed in me--if you have any expectations of me, you should know me, and if you know me, you know that "err on the side of caution" is my BLP mantra. I do not understand why a slew of experienced editors can't just let that be while the matter is being discussed.
Drmies (
talk)
21:10, 24 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Drmies, we've had positive interactions before, and I had never known you to rush to conclusions. Your words carry a lot of weight, so I had hoped you would be more careful before publicly stating your agreement.
AlexEng(
TALK)21:29, 24 August 2017 (UTC)reply
AlexEng, please don't overestimate the weight of my words, or the importance I attach to the BLP. My wording is actually pretty careful here considering I have not delved so deeply into the matter that I want to speak out in condemnation of this editor or that--but I have looked deeply enough to be convinced that the BLP was reasonably invoked, which is about all I can ask for. I can be stubborn and sometimes less calm than I want to be when it comes to being reverted, but I hope it has never happened after someone invoked the BLP with a reasonable claim. I believe this here was reasonable enough, and reasonable enough for an unblock. I agree with John, about on who the onus is etc., and that Hillbillyholiday could have left better edit summaries; sure. But note when the block came--quite some time after Hillbillyholiday had stopped reverting, so there also I don't think this was a really good block--
Alex Shih, I'm sorry, but do I see this correctly, that the block came a day after?
Drmies (
talk)
21:48, 24 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Drmies, to the bulk of your response – fair enough. However, I don't agree that the way in which Hillbillyholiday behaved is appropriate. If this were a case of a reasonable claim of
WP:3RRNO by reason of BLP exception, it should have been stated... literally anywhere. Instead, I saw canned revert summaries, which only exacerbate an edit war. I should also point out that Hillbillyholiday
was reported for edit warring 5 days ago, and the report was closed as "stale" because he announced a wiki-break. I would say a block was warranted then, but avoided by that announcement. When you add up 3 incidents in 4 days, you don't think a 24h block is warranted to halt continued disruption?
AlexEng(
TALK)00:03, 25 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Why would we mention the murder on his article if he was not involved in it? Yet none of the reliable sources made the connection. Detailed discussion of this is one for the article talk page really. But you must accept that HBH's edits were absolutely correct, and that anyone reverting was egregiously breaching BLP. I agree the edit summaries could have been clearer, but really the onus is on those wanting to restore the material. --
John (
talk)
21:12, 24 August 2017 (UTC)reply
I just explained why: because he was thought to have inside knowledge about the identity of the killer, according to the last statement in that paragraph. Why would you assume that the presence of a section heading with the word "murder" implies that the subject is the perpetrator? The article is largely about the subject's career as an informant. I absolutely do not accept that his edits were right, and I'm going to throw that back at you: you must accept that HBH's edits were absolutely incorrect, and that his reversions were an egregious breach of 3RR. To reiterate what I said in my previous statement, whether he was right or wrong, edit warring is unacceptable. Surely you must understand that, at least, even if we don't agree on the content dispute.
AlexEng(
TALK)21:29, 24 August 2017 (UTC)reply
The version that made that allegation was sourced to The Sun and the Daily Mail which are not reliable sources. They can publish allegations like that and have the resources to fight a resulting legal case.
WP:BLP and
WP:ARBBLP are clear that we have a higher standard. It isn't a content dispute and it isn't a debate. You signed up for this and you
consent to it with every edit you make. --
John (
talk)
22:06, 24 August 2017 (UTC)reply
John, can you clarify to which "allegation" you are referring? My understanding is that you're talking about the claim that the subject of the article provided information to police about the murder of Charlie Wilson. This is not contentious, nor would it be considered contentious by a reasonable person; the subject is a well-known police informant. The evidence for that particular claim is spotty, if at all existent. I think we agree on that bit. What we don't agree on, if I understand correctly, is the idea that it is acceptable behavior to revert without explanation 7 times on an article and refuse to participate in discussion. If it is your position that this fits the standards of behavior on the project, then I oppose this point of view. It is supported neither by policy nor by the linked Arb case, which specifically points out that incivility is prohibited.
AlexEng(
TALK)23:48, 24 August 2017 (UTC)reply
It seems I didn't look back far enough. So, just to clarify again. Did that article suggest that informing on the identity of the killer of Charlie Wilson was part of Michael's "Career as Informant"? Not quite as serious a claim as that he was involved in the murder, but a wholly unsubstantiated claim nevertheless?
User:AlexEng, you're suggesting that it would be acceptable to leave the article in that version which suggested (very strongly to me, obviously) that Michael actually was involved in the murder? Are you intending to revert that last deletion by HBH? Thanks.
Martinevans123 (
talk)
21:24, 24 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Martinevans123, I'm suggesting that a discussion, as initiated by Tenebrae in the article talk page would have easily cleared up any misunderstanding. At the very least, if he was serious about improving the article, he could have changed the section heading to be clearer rather than revert without comment 7 times. I'm also suggesting that this editor has actively refused,
in the past, to engage in talk page discussions when asked.
AlexEng(
TALK)21:34, 24 August 2017 (UTC)reply
And I'd have to agree with you, over the potential value of a Talk page discussion. I just think that your notion of "serious" and that held by HBH are currently "divergent."
Martinevans123 (
talk)
21:44, 24 August 2017 (UTC)reply
No, you're right. It seems The Sun has changed their URL structure since 2013, when the article was accessed. Here's an
archived version, but there's a paywall. I don't think it worthwhile to replace the broken link with an unreadable version, though.
AlexEng(
TALK)22:45, 24 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Phew, thank God Michael Michael wasn't accused of something REALLY heinous like tabloid journalism or backing Remain (take your pick .. )
JezGrove (
talk)
23:08, 24 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Could you possibly not edit at
User talk:Flyer22 Reborn for the next while? I don't think anything good will come of it and I don't think anybody seriously believes you are a sockpuppet. Thanks for your cooperation. --
John (
talk)
16:35, 26 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Song cycles (Killmayer) for your inspiration. The author is in Recent deaths, - a first for me. Writing the article was an act of defiance. - The press: on 24 August the
FAZprinted that
Aloys Kontarsky died, without a DOD. That tells me that he died before that day, also see talk (where 22 was mentioned as likely but without confirmation). Now Le Monde printed that he died on 24 August, and it is in the article like that. I don't know what to do. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
19:21, 26 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the inspiration, Gerda, sorely needed. I can't see anything wrong with having just August as the date pending alternative sources. Which of the
song cycles would you recommend as a toe-dipper? any good youtube links? ;) --
Hillbillyholiday (
talk)
19:51, 26 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Try
this (not Killmayer) ;) - Did you see the crazy DYK I made for Killmayer years ago? (was on my talk)? Today, I would make three or four with that information. I never met him but two of his students, mentioned in his article. - Looking for Killmayer on YouTube, I find only one vocal entry,
Sappho. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
20:07, 26 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Although I did warn you for edit-warring/disruption, I have since realized that your efforts and intentions have been for the betterment of this site. — Anakimilambaste07:10, 29 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Notice of editing restriction
By the consensus of the community
[1], you are now subject indefinitely to the following editing restriction: Hillbillyholiday is restricted to one revert per article per every 72 hour period in the BLP topic area, broadly construed, except in cases of obvious vandalism. Hillbillyholiday is encouraged to take disputes to the article talk page or the BLP noticeboard. Any violation of this restriction may be enforced by a
block from editing. Please let me know if you have any questions as to what the restriction means. If you believe that this decision was made in error or is no longer necessary, you may appeal the restriction at the
administrators' noticeboard.
SeraphimbladeTalk to me18:05, 29 August 2017 (UTC)reply
"Jesus, I mean, you guys do nothing but complain about how you can't stand it in this place here and you don't have the guts just to walk out? What do you think you are, for Chrissake, crazy or somethin'? Well you're not! You're not! You're no crazier than the average asshole out walkin' around on the streets and that's it."
I argued for you in the discussion where this restriction was imposed; nonetheless, consensus is against you. IAR is a thing, but ignoring this rule will have the consequence that you will be blocked from editing.
GoldenRing (
talk)
17:18, 7 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Oh noes!
GoldenRing, if I see and remove BLP-violating bullshit on my travels and some know-nowt nudnik straight-up reverts me without explanation, then yeah, I will take it to the BLPN. But I am not going to hang around waiting for a response from the peanut gallery if there are serious problems, and I will revert back if I think it's necessary. This restriction is ludicrous and actually quite offensive considering I have done as much as anyone here to improve BLPs. I'm afraid it's IAR all the way, baby. --
Hillbillyholiday (
talk)
17:29, 7 September 2017 (UTC)reply
While the first violation of your editing restriction did not result in a block because it was not brought forward promptly, it was a violation. This is the second time, so you have been
blocked from editing for a period of one week. Please be aware that future violations will result in longer or indefinite blocks. I suspect that you are familiar with the process for appealing a block if you wish to do so, but if not, it may be found at the
guide to appealing blocks.
SeraphimbladeTalk to me17:10, 8 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Poifect. I'd just booked a week's hols in sunny Angoisse. See you next Friday! --
Hillbillyholiday (
talk) (
Sigh.)
September 2017
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 month for Violation of community editing restriction. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to
make useful contributions.
That 1RR thing was bullshit -- a halfwitted hamstringing imposed by a passing mob of clueless drama-whores more concerned with slavish adherence to arbritrary "rules" than living people. Well, Rick, I am going to cock a snoot at both "restriction" and "block" per the following policies:
Ignore all rules and
WP:Anyone can edit.
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Hello, Hillbillyholiday. Voting in the 2017 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 10 December. All users who registered an account before Saturday, 28 October 2017, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Wednesday, 1 November 2017 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.
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Old Marley was as dead as a door-nail. Mind! I don’t mean to say that I know, of my own knowledge, what there is particularly dead about a door-nail. I might have been inclined, myself, to regard a coffin-nail as the deadest piece of ironmongery in the trade. But the wisdom of our ancestors is in the simile; and my unhallowed hands shall not disturb it, or the Country’s done for. You will therefore permit me to repeat, emphatically, that Marley was as dead as a door-nail.
So let me get this straight... You think that I'd be a good person to help decide on the wording of a criticism section about the newspaper I got "banned" from this site? A criticism section that refers to said "ban"? That uses as a source the
Guardian's scoop which came about after I contacted their tech reporter? A criticism section in an article about the paper what went after my mother because they couldn't track me down? The paper that labelled me a
"vile internet troll" a
"clearly obsessive newspaper-hater" and a
"bigoted oddball"??
Of course, the idea of using Wikipedia to traduce their good name (again) is rather appealing, but you know what this place is like, full of Negative Nancys ever whinging about "
conflicts of interest" and all that! Oh, and in case you forgot, the Mail quoted your "Kill it. Kill it with fire" remark from the RfC and refer to you as one of a "self-selecting handful of other zealots".
Also, my enthusiasm for this site
somewhat dimmed after the community sanctioned me for attempting to sort out various libellous articles, with two of the administrators that blocked me for removing libel now on the Arbitration Committee.
So, all in all, all things considered, probably best I sit this one out. --
Hillbillyholiday (
talk) (or should I just come back with a
different username?)
Alas, I had two choices. [1] Give the same notice to everyone who !voted at the RfC, or [2] be accused of
WP:VOTESTACKING. Of course I got accused anyway, but I do try to follow the rules. BTW, is it too late to get the (spit!) DM to upgrade me from self-selected zealot to vile internet troll? --
Guy Macon (
talk)
00:04, 13 March 2018 (UTC)reply
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 year for violation of community editing restriction almost immediately after returning to editing.. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to
make useful contributions.
I'm sick and f***ing tired of removing citations to The Sun (we still have about 80) and The Daily Mail (over 1200) from BLPs. Can I have a second for unblocking Hillbillyholiday (who I see was de-facto banned with thoughtful comments like "let's lose the asshat") or do we have to take it to the
WP:Dramaboard first?
Ritchie333(talk)(cont)10:07, 13 September 2018 (UTC)reply
If only Hillbilly could
come back (without any attached socks) under a period of "supervised probation" and be given a useful task to complete like "remove all inappropriate DM citations"? But the likelihood of Neil agreeing to that doesn't seem
very likely, does it?
Martinevans123 (
talk)
10:18, 13 September 2018 (UTC)reply
I suppose I'd better go and look through those incredibly exciting ANI threads and see what the actual context is on this. I can contact Hillbilly off-wiki about an unblock, but there's no point if he's just going to get whipped by the peanut gallery and have the appeal tossed out. However, if I see evidence of editors restoring
things like this, I will be unimpressed.
Ritchie333(talk)(cont)10:38, 13 September 2018 (UTC)reply
I woulf but its quite trickyI'm using a phone I just borrowedOffa homeless man, and it doesn't even have square bracketson it.
Could udo it for me prtety please?
Thanjyou flufhtyine
Declined. Your talk page is to be used only for appealing against a block. The above does not appear to me to be a serious request. Talk page access may be revoked in future. --
kingboyk (
talk)
05:13, 23 July 2019 (UTC)reply
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I will try to behave like a true wikipedian in the future.
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Yamla, the block is no longer necessary because I understand what i have been blocked for, I will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and will make useful contributions instead.
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I have revoked talk page access. Another admin will be along shortly to review the above unblock request. If declined, that leaves you with
WP:UTRS and I strongly urge you to read
WP:GAB before making a request there. --
Yamla (
talk)
20:15, 23 July 2019 (UTC)reply
My question was addressed to
Yamla. Sorry if that wasn't clear. But perhaps you two have agreed an approach between you here? If the second request here is contrary to procedure, it might be helpful if you could spell out how. It looked like progress to me, but Hillbillyholiday has now been further punished for "parotting" and/or for "wasting reviewing admins' time and trolling"? Now that access to his own Talk page has been revoked, it's unclear what his next step should be. Are you just saying "don't even bother again" i.e. it's "game over"? Thanks.
Martinevans123 (
talk)
09:24, 24 July 2019 (UTC)reply
I'm confused as to why you think progress has been made here. I'm confused why you think offers of pictures of giraffes address the sockpuppetry. I'm confused why you think "I will try to behave like a true wikipedian in the future" address the sockpuppetry. I'm confused why you think copying and pasting my unblock decline is a meaningful step forward. This user is outright trolling. "I just borrowedOffa homeless man", "Could udo it for me prtety please?", etc. I'll also note that I provided a path forward.
WP:UTRS is still available to this user. --
Yamla (
talk)
09:52, 24 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Thanks for replying. I don't see pictures of giraffes as being overly disruptive to the encyclopedia. You blocked user access to the Talk page for him adding pictures of giraffes? What actions would you accept as valid steps in "addressing the sockpuppetry"? Are you suggesting that sockpuppety is continuing? Thanks.
Martinevans123 (
talk)
09:59, 24 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Not for adding pictures, for claiming that these pictures were sufficient grounds to lift the block. I'm sorry, if you don't see a problem here, we fundamentally aren't going to agree. The user is free to make an unblock request, I've explained how. They haven't even attempted to address the sockpuppetry, but are required to do so if they want the block lifted. I'm done, I have nothing more to say about this user. --
Yamla (
talk)
11:24, 24 July 2019 (UTC)reply
I was not necessarily seeking agreement or disagreement. I was seeking clarification. I'm sorry that you did not answer my question about sockpuppetry. Maybe you and
Huon think that removal, by Hillbilly, of some of the frivolous material here would help his case. But of course, he won't be able to do that now.
Martinevans123 (
talk)
12:16, 24 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Hillbillyholiday had plenty of chances to not be frivolous about getting unblocked. Removing the trolling after the fact wouldn't help their case; not having trolled in the first place would have helped. I don't know whether block evasion was still ongoing recently, but not even addressing the open announcement of their intent to evade the block (that they promptly carried out) is ... not promising. Have they learned something, do they intend to change their conduct going forward? Did we happen to block their latest IP a few days ago? Or were they just having fun wasting others' time? I can't tell, they didn't tell, but the evidence points to the last of these options.
Huon (
talk)
15:45, 24 July 2019 (UTC)reply
I'm really unsure why an image of a giraffe, or at least of a Mardi Gras giraffe costume, was added. I suppose it's seen as "trolling" because the Talk page is meant to be used only ever for requesting an unblock, in the most serious way possible. I guess when one gets blocked, all of one's humour credits immediately get cashed in, yes? Perhaps it was a deliberate ploy to "waste your time". I don't know. And now Hillbilly can't clarify either way. One other editor acted AGF. But I'm now a bit confused. You say I don't know whether block evasion was still ongoing recently and then also Did we happen to block their latest IP a few days ago? These seem to be somewhat contradictory. If you did block that IP, on the basis it was a possible sock, shouldn't that be added to their "Possible sockpuppets" list? You seem to be party to information that the rest of us are not.
Martinevans123 (
talk)
16:16, 24 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Martinevans123, maybe you can point out which of Hillbillyholiday's edits since the block indicate, in your opinion, that they were willing to take responsibility for their own conduct, were actually interested in getting unblocked, and showed how they would avoid, going forward, the problems that led to their block in the first place? Regarding the possible sockpuppetry or lack thereof: An IP address would only be added to the "possible sockpuppet" list if it was recognized to be them (and if the admin blocking it felt that updating the SPI was worth the effort). As I said, I have no idea whether or not something like that happened. Finally, "now Hillbilly can't clarify either way" - of course they can. Yamla told them how. Yamla told you how, separately. Was that in any way unclear?
Huon (
talk)
19:53, 24 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Martinevans123, I metioned it in a list of possibilities, some of which would be conducive to Hillbillyholiday getting unblocked and some of which wouldn't. As I said back then, "I can't tell [whether one or another of those options applies], they didn't tell, but the evidence points to the last of these options [the trolling]." I hope that answers your question. Could you now please answer mine?
Huon (
talk)
20:28, 24 July 2019 (UTC)reply
WP:UTRS seems a perfectly clear link. But I see now... they didn't tell makes them a potential suspect of all sorts of unforgivable misdemeanors, on a list of possibilities as long as you'd care to invent? So much for the
"glorious fifth", as I think it's sometimes referred to. Could we perhaps throw in off-wiki death threats, potential litigation and impersonation of Jimmy Wales at ArbCom in the
WP:FRAM case, while we're at it? I'm guessing they're also not conducive to getting one unblocked. Thanks.
Martinevans123 (
talk)
21:04, 24 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Martinevans123, I'm not clear on what it is you're trying to accomplish here by repeatedly asking the reviewing admins the same questions. Do you think the above block appeals were sincere requests based on
WP:GAB?
AlexEng(
TALK)21:39, 24 July 2019 (UTC)reply
I was trying to establish what was the basis, and at what step in this chronology, talk page access had been revoked. Sorry if that wasn't clear. I thought my initial question might have helped with that. But I've been advised to give up, as it's unlikely either to help Hillbillyholiday's cause (somewhat opaque though that might be) or to elucidate the logical basis on which Admin actions have been taken here. So I shall. It just looked to me like a case of
"bad cop/bad cop". Sorry if you have been unduly distracted.
Martinevans123 (
talk)
21:47, 24 July 2019 (UTC) p.s. a straight answer would have been useful.reply
There are at least three distinct unblock requests on this page that required an admin to answer them.
Martinevans123, I don't think you ever commented on which of Hillbillyholiday's edits since the block indicate, in your opinion, that they were willing to take responsibility for their own conduct, were actually interested in getting unblocked, and showed how they would avoid, going forward, the problems that led to their block in the first place. Since you have been asked about that multiple times without providing an answer, I'm going to assume that you don't actually see any unblock request that met those rather basic criteria. Personally I'd have given Hillbillyholiday one more attempt, but I'm very patient with trolls, and removing talk page access after having Hillbillyholiday waste admin time thrice seems reasonable enough to me. Also, if you cannot see how it's relevant whether someone who publicly announced they'd evade the block and proceeded to do just that was still evading the block recently or not, and that addressing the block evasion in their unblock request was pretty much a prerequisite to getting unblocked, I'm not sure I have anything else to say that would help.
Huon (
talk)
19:26, 25 July 2019 (UTC)reply
I saw this: Yamla, the block is no longer necessary because I understand what i have been blocked for, I will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and will make useful contributions instead. as both reasonable and genuine. It was dismissed as "paroting". I'm sorry that you did not offer this detailed explanation to Hillbillyholiday before you removed his Talk page access. Perhaps you are patient. Perhaps I missed the pauses. Yesterday you said "I'm done, I have nothing more to say about this user."
Martinevans123 (
talk)
19:35, 25 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Ya know, I'am starting to feel bad for this user, unless I'm wrong, even though their TPA has been revoked, I think their still getting notified of each post. You guys need to stop. 19:44, 25 July 2019 (UTC) - FlightTime (
open channel)19:45, 25 July 2019 (UTC)reply