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Wishing you and yours a Happy New Year, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and distraction-free and may Janus light your way.
Ealdgyth (
talk)
14:35, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
And seeing the Administrators' newsletter for January 2024, congratulations on the addition of you on that particular list.
Iggy (
Swan) (
Contribs)
13:47, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
Sorry for the ping in deWP just before. For some reason this edit summary was suggested as I typed and then I accidentally hit enter. Happy New Year. --
Leyo10:04, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
You missed the oldest one and the ones with partial or backwards names that suggest the whole name, as well as the reversion edit summaries and the accounts' talk pages and SPI.
197.52.60.200 (
talk)
17:18, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi Harry - there's a thread on the oversight mailing list about this. I have downgraded the suppression to revision delete. Hope that's okay.
PhilKnight (
talk)
17:48, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
Election results
I notice the Arbcom results are out, and thought I'd add a congratulations note as a retired Arb of yesteryear. The result is well deserved, and you'll be an excellent addition to the committee. All the best. --
Euryalus (
talk)
01:49, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Congratulations to your election! - I uploaded more pics, with Christmas trees and related artworks, and I have two women on the Main page (for a sad reason). Our
Christmas singing (of my user's infobox music "singen, singen") was pictured! --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
22:00, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Hi HJ Mitchell, just wanted to leave a note with apologies for somehow missing you on 30DEC when we sent out all of the ACE2023 candidate notices that the election was over. Congratulations on your election! —
xaosfluxTalk19:19, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
@
Xaosflux not to worry. With so much to do an the somewhat truncated timeframe it was almost inevitable that something would be missed. As it happens I was fast asleep but a Facebook message alerting me to the election results was the first thing I saw in the morning!
HJ Mitchell |
Penny for your thoughts?19:54, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
It is nice to see you are practicing your new mind reading powers ;). When you blocked
Anes112 for socking you used the template {{Checkuser block}}, that template refers to IP addresses and networks, not accounts. You might want to use {{Checkuserblock-account}} which refers to accounts. There is my daily nitpick, thanks, Seawolf35T--
C06:56, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
You cannot edit my talk-page
Hi Harry. With all due respect, but unless SaucyLasagne is your alter ego, you cannot edit my talk-page; and even then you cannot, however well-intentioned you are. Especially not w/o explaining why!
Hi Harry. Sorry, I didn't recognise you at first. Yes, by all means, I love my collection of fan mail. It's also rare that someone would speak up his mind on Wiki, most turn to weasels around here. I'm almost sad I don't get to read more such saucy prose, but don't let me get ahead of myself. Thanks again!
Arminden (
talk)
15:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Congratulations Harry! Only just saw the election results. Hope you survive the experience. Best wishes for 2024. If I can ever make it to a London meetup, I'll buy you a pint.
Hawkeye7(discuss)00:08, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I hope you doing well! The user you blocked
(100michel1) is back with new accounts editing all Wikipedia projects including English Wikipedia.
Amita2025 is just one of them, can you please report him? I'm editing with my phone and it's not easy for me. Thanks!
Mikeimi (
talk)
10:57, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
@
Mikeimi edits all the content unnecessarily, I warned him to speak and tell the problem before editing, but he deletes the edit without consultation.
Amita2025 (
talk)
12:05, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
Mikeimi,
Amita2025, you are both new(ish) users with a limited number of edits attached to these accounts. You are both being way too free and easy with throwing around accusations - seemingly based on a limited amount of information and showing zero proof. You are both being way too free and easy with the revert button on several articles. I suspect it will not be long before one or both of you are up at
WP:ANI if you've not been blocked before that happens.I suggest that you both cool down a lot, and if either of you have proof of serious wrong-doing, you take it to ANI with the diffs to prove your point. Until that happens, I suggest laying off the revert button and using the talk pages rather than continuing the disruptive edit warring across multiple pages. -
SchroCat (
talk)
12:23, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
elieve me, I am not a malicious user, I only post content that is approved in other languages on Wikipedia.Please unblock my account, I am a useful user
Amita2026 (
talk)
13:29, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
Following a
motion, the Arbitration Committee rescinded the restrictions on the page name move discussions for the two Ireland pages that were
enacted in June 2009.
Thanks for the quick response on the block from the edu ip with the long-term vandalism history (194.83.132.3). Your work is appreciated. Take care. -
SanAnMan (
talk)
15:50, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi Harry, belated new year's greetings to you. I have nominated the article
Sam Manekshaw for
peer review because I have expanded it and want to take it to FAR. I have incorporated the suggestions from the last 2 FARs in 2018. You were a part of
one of these and I would be much obliged if you would take part in this PR, given your skills in and understanding of military history. Thanks in advance.
Matarisvan (
talk)
07:57, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
Did you know of this work by Jagger,
[1]? I didn't. Apparently, it decorated a fireplace at Mulberry House on
Smith Square and references a ménage à trois between the house's owners,
Lord and Lady Melchett, and the, very bohemian,
Gilbert Cannan. If there's not an article on the house in that lot, I'm a Dutchman. But I'll have to write it myself, as I suspect you will have less time for content creation these days! All the best.
KJP1 (
talk)
14:55, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
I did not. Sounds like there's an interesting story to be told there! But as you can imagine I have a lot of other demands on my attention at the moment, and I'm trying to pick some of the low-hanging fruit off my to-do list, starting with some railway viaducts.
HJ Mitchell |
Penny for your thoughts?17:24, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi HJ, I understand that you offer mentoring in featured article nominations. I have extensively revised the
Grey Owl article in the last months and feel it could succeed in the featured article process. Would you be willing to help a newbie?
Dsiedler (
talk)
10:59, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
@
Dsiedler I don't know anything about the subject but I had a quick read through the article. It looks in reasonable shape. I notice you're citing entire books instead of page numbers or ranges; you'd need to be more precise for an FA. Generally, we expect book citations to include the ISBN You also need a reference at the end of every paragraph as a minimum. You should check that all your links to YouTube comply with
WP:YOUTUBE. If you address all of that, I can't see any red flags. You could open a
peer review if you haven't already. And if there's a similar article that's already an FA it would be a good idea to compare and contrast your article with that one and look at its FAC to see the sorts of comments reviewers had so you can hopefully head them off. Hope that helps,
HJ Mitchell |
Penny for your thoughts?17:08, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
Many thanks! I will provide the ISBNs and make sure all paragraphs have refs. You say "you're citing entire books instead of page numbers or ranges". Could you provide an example? I checked and found all book references have page numbers (either in the citation itself or in the rp template) except one: Gleeson, Kristin (currently #22). I do not have access to either a PDF or print copy and the ebook does not provide reliable page numbers. I used a chapter reference. Is that good enough?
Dsiedler (
talk)
19:17, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
I've taken care of the concerns you raised and have looked through the documentation of the FAC process for a long time now, but have been unable to figure out how exactly the article is to be nominated. Please explain that or point me to the page that explains it. Thanks!
Dsiedler (
talk)
18:12, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
@
Dsiedler in a nutshell, slap {{
subst:FAC}} on the talk page, follow the red link that says "initiate nomination", add your nomination statement that explains what the article is about and how it meets the criteria, then add {{Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Grey Owl/archive1}} to
WP:FAC. The full instructions are at
WP:FAC#Nominating in the collapsed box.
HJ Mitchell |
Penny for your thoughts?16:15, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
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@
Red-tailed hawk congrats on the new buttons! That block was discussed at one or other of the noticeboards and there was a general feeling that it was long overdue if I remember correctly. I can dig up the details when I can get to my computer. I think a topic ban from Russia-Ukraine relations and conflicts (past and present) is an absolute minimum but it's probably worth getting a wider audience at AN.
HJ Mitchell |
Penny for your thoughts?12:29, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
I've been able to take a look at the AE discussion that preceded it. I can ask the user if they'll accept a RUSUKR tban on their own; I think it's reasonable as well. I've talked to a few other admins and I think I could slap that on them unilaterally per
WP:CTOP while unblocking them, but I feel a bit uncomfortable doing so unless they agree to it. —
Red-tailed hawk(nest)04:49, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
@
Red-tailed hawk RUSUKR is a community-based process so you want
WP:GS not CTOP but yes you could impose a topic ban unilaterally. That's the point of general sanctions/contentious topics but I get that those processes look scary to the uninitiated! I would very strongly oppose an unblock with a topic ban at a minimum.
HJ Mitchell |
Penny for your thoughts?16:03, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
Since I last messaged you, the user has agreed on their talk page to accept 1RR and a specific Russia-Ukraine-related topic ban.
To clarify, does I would very strongly oppose an unblock with a topic ban at a minimum indicate opposition to any unblock, or merely opposition to an unblock without a topic ban? I’d unblock them if the topic ban proposed on talk+1rr is sufficient for you, but I want to get clarity before pushing the button. — Red-tailed sock(Red-tailed hawk's nest)16:40, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
@
Red-tailed hawk I'm happy with a 1RR and topic ban. That seems like a reasonable restriction to prevent disruption as long as they understand that this is their last bit of
rope. Hopefully they'll do something productive elsewhere, but if they just move to a different hot-button topic and start causing problems there they need to understand that they'll be indef'd again.
HJ Mitchell |
Penny for your thoughts?16:47, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
I hadn't looked at that and don't have time at the moment. Aa both accounts are blocked it's not too urgent but I might get chance to look tomorrow morning (UTC) if it's still pending by then.
HJ Mitchell |
Penny for your thoughts?17:03, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Sorry, I was in the middle of declining it when you deleted. AFCH isn't that smart :) Could you delete again, with apologies -
RichT|
C|
E-Mail23:55, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Thanks HJ Mitchell. I reported the account at AIV, it was more that I wasn't familiar with the SPI case so thought I would also flag with you. Sorry, my initial message could have been clearer. — Manticore23:30, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Dear HJ Mitchell, Hi there, I known my NPPR are expire date are very is very far away but I happy if my NPP user right are change to permanentally , please see my
CSD log. during 2023 I've reviewed 100+ article with trial NPP userright and I've received NPP barnaster for helping to Clearing the NPP backlog and during Afc article reviewing I've identified few
G12 article. I'd happy to clearing NPP backlog during New pages patrolling.please evulate my process of NPP work and grant me permanentally this right if you feel confortable.😊 ~~ αvírαm|
(tαlk)12:32, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
You sure about
this not being anon-only? Dozens of users on that /23, very few of them problematic. A fair number of blocked users too, but they're very much a minority.
--jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇01:36, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a substantial backlog of unsourced articles on Wikipedia, and we need your help! The purpose of this drive is to add sources to these unsourced articles and make a meaningful impact.
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A whole tray of brownies for you. Thank you for the help at SPI - while blatant, the beauty pageant hoaxer is incredibly persistent. Also, thank you for your work at Oversight! Have a lovely week!
Schrödinger's jellyfish✉23:01, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
Zenas Bliss has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the
reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article.
Onegreatjoke (
talk)
16:49, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Dear HJ Mitchell, Hi,I've request for NPP Rights for on indefinitely on
WP:PERM/NPR, My extended trial are is going to be expired on after 4 days, if you feel comfortable, then please expeditious considered on my this request.😊~~ αvírαm|
(tαlk)06:44, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
Thank you today for
Civil Service Rifles War Memorial, introduced (in 2017): "I bring you—just for a change! ;)—a war memorial. This one's a relatively obscure one given its location in the very centre of London. It's dedicated to members of the Civil Service Rifles, a regiment made up of British civil servants, who died in the First World War. It's not a huge article because everything seems to have proceeded reasonably smoothly (barring a change of architect early on), which doesn't leave any great campaign or controversy to write about."! - On vacation, so late in the day. --
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22:28, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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You recently placed a partial block on IPs from the
92.40. range. I don't suppose there's any chance you could whack them with something a bit heavier? Their edits are quite irksome, to say the least; I don't think they're following me around personally (although I can't rule that out completely, either), but I have bumped into them several times this week, and I'd very much rather not.
Sorry if this isn't a sensible request, I don't really understand the do's and don'ts of IP blocking, TBH.
I was just about to decline a UTRS appeal for
Feetmucher39, an account that you blocked for vandalism and username, but
Deepfriedokra beat me to it, with a much more polite decline message than I would have given. (As I get older I get nastier. I'm moving away from being the friendly person you remember from so many years ago. At least, I get less friendly to trolls, vandals, and spammers than I used to be. Maybe I'd be OK with you.) There's no question about the vandalism part of the block, but I wondered about the username part. Does it have some offensive meaning among people of a younger generation than me, that I don't know about? A quick Google didn't come up with anything.
JBW (
talk)
20:49, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Meh indeed. The username looks a reference to foot fetishism, but is very much a side issue. I wouldn't block an account with a username like that if they were editing constructively. As for being polite,
my dear Watson, certainly some of these people deserve nothing from us but contempt but usually we just want them to go away so it's rarely a good idea to feed the troll.
HJ Mitchell |
Penny for your thoughts?22:27, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Yes, I agree. What I had in mind was not being directly rude, which would be feeding the troll, but just making a plain factual blunt statement, rather than one of the standard boilerplate messages, which are written in a more AGF-tone than I feel is necessary. I think that giving an answer which gives the troll a polite and detailed explanation of the situation, taking them more seriously than they deserve, can be another form of feeding, perhaps even more so than telling them to fuck off. However, it's likely that in most cases it actually doesn't make much difference which way we do it.
JBW (
talk)
23:10, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Hey, HJ, just a quick heads up, that user you just blocked says that he's going to create an alt, so I suspect some sockpuppetry going around. Is it possible to keep an eye out for any confirmed accounts? Thanks.
Hi @
HJ Mitchell, I'm turning to you briefly because you took part in the discussion and you obviously know a lot about it. I was worried that the user's behavior would not be viewed as basic vandalism. However, I don't know which way makes the most sense to deal with it. The user has made countless edits that do not improve the articles, but rather worsen them and are more likely to be spam. Unfortunately, as far as I know, as a normal user, I cannot effectively reset these edits. Do you perhaps have an idea what is the best way to solve this?
@
Bildersindtoll I'm not quite sure what you're asking. I blocked that user. Generally, if the edits the edits are so obviously vandalism that anyone could see the problem, the editor should receive some sort of warning so that they understand that their edits worked and were disruptive, then you can report them to AIV if they continue. If it's not blatantly obvious, you should explain what the problem is. If it's not vandalism but still a problem,
WP:ANI might be more appropriate.
HJ Mitchell |
Penny for your thoughts?15:03, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Title probably gives them more of a pedestal than they deserve. I've noticed for a good couple months a
long term abuse of IPs spamming the phrase "COME ON!!! CLUEB*T NG!!! WAKE UP NOW!!!" all over Wikipedia, despite several blocks, all coming from different IPs (just today,
this one and
this one) You can tell they're all the same person, as for some reason they all include Japanese RPGs in their talk page. I can't seem to find anything on the active cases list of LTA'ers regarding this person, unless I just can't find it. Is this worth investigating? Thanks in advance. Synorem (
talk)
12:16, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
@
Synorem they've been at it for a while. I don't know if they have a name but I'd be reluctant to give them one because we don't want to feed the troll. The edits are obvious enough that they should just be blocked (or reported to AIV) on sight. They're obviously using some very dynamic IPs on some big ranges so it's a game of whack a mole.
HJ Mitchell |
Penny for your thoughts?12:33, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Do you reckon the block on the IP address
58.69.117.149 should be extended from 31h, given it was blocked for longer period (1 week) before, the vandalism resumed right after the expiration of that block, and there haven't been any recent constructive edits from that address? —
AP 499D25(talk)12:59, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi, apparently somebody else is on this IP address as well who got me blocked. I noticed however that you revert a bunch of my perfectly fine edits from earlier, such as
[2][3][4][5]. I am restoring it now, but in the future please look at edits before reverting them @
HJ Mitchell68.132.201.101 (
talk)
12:52, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi HJ,
Hey, I want to talk about the block for repeated genre warring. I understand that it was very wrong of me but I've come here to talk. I want to keep making genre edits with reliable sources. It's something I like to do on my free time. And the thing is, I'm not trying to vandalize Wikipedia, I just want to make edits. The reason why I did replace genres like the one on "Russians" by Sting was because there wasn't a reliable genre source and I replaced it with a sourced one. But I didn't realize that was wrong. I promise that I'll find a way to see if the source is reliable by asking someone, or unless there's another way to find out if a source is reliable. Reach out to me when you can.
From,
iamthegoat524
Iamthegoat524 (
talk)
02:51, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
The system could make that clearer. Heh, it's as clear as mud. Good thing there are editors like you who do explain things. Thanks.--
Bbb23 (
talk)
01:20, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Cricket Butterfly
Excellent job!!!! I sent you a reply with additional info. I think you may be able to expose some more experienced users from the farm. Good luck!!!
CNMall41 (
talk)
04:13, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello! I saw you just blocked IP 50.203.254.248 after I reported them at AIV. I'd like to say that I was wrong about them having a level 4 warning. AntiVandal seemed to think so, but I just installed that program yesterday, so I probably interpreted it incorrectly. Sorry about that! —asparagusus(interaction)sprouts!16:21, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
Many thanks to you for the approval of my page mover permission. I'm retiring now. And I politely request you to revoke this user right as I don't need it any more.
This redirect has been fully protected since April 2023. Is that really still needed? I think it has probably been long enough to unprotect it, or at least try semi-protection.
QuicoleJR (
talk)
14:45, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Redirects tend to be less watched and they only need infrequent maintenance. And the target article is fully protected, which increases the temptation of the redirect for malicious users.
HJ Mitchell |
Penny for your thoughts?16:35, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Hold on, are you objecting to the logged reason for the block, while agreeing with the underlying block? Okay, that actually makes sense.
Courcelles (
talk)
19:52, 6 March 2024 (UTC)