It has been over 11 months since I received a warning, entitled #Only warning, from HJ Mitchell, and then a block from another administrator #March 2021. There is a process for re-instatement, which I plan to follow. But first, I plan on pinging HJ Mitchell, and some of the other people who voiced opinions, with some points I think they overlooked.
That other administrator started a thread, at WP:ANI ( here).
Some people responding there, looked at Dan Trotta, and disagreed with HJ Mitchell's initial description that it was an "attack page". I didn't think it was an attack page, either. I thought it was a neutrally written stub, that fairly summarized the references it used.
Multiple other individuals weighing in there seem to be agreeing that what I was accused of - using the wikipedia to settle a pre-existing grudge - was terrible, and merited a block. It is unclear whether they actually looked at Dan Trotta, to confirm or refute for themselves, whether it actually had been an attack page.
HJ Mitchell, I am not aware of anyone making the assertion, before you did, that I had a grudge against Mr Trotta. I see lots of places where this assertion is repeated. And, sorry, I am afraid all those people may simply have trusted you. They shouldn't have. The assertion is false. I'll explain this, in detail, below at #Headshots snipped from Canadian Film Centre images.
I will temporarily snip other things from this page. If I am re-instated, I'll put them in my archives. I will snip anything on this page that is not related to my block, and that WPANI discussion.
Do not write Wikipedia articles about people with whom you are in dispute elsewhere, and do not use your superior skills as an editor to get one up in a dispute. What you did at Dan Trotta was outrageous, and to continue doing it despite the request of the subject is appalling. If you ever do anything like that again I will indefinitely block you. Quite frankly, the only reason I didn't block you straight away is that I won't be able to be around for the fallout and it's poor practice to "block and run". HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:35, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
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Drmies (
talk) 15:07, 3 March 2021 (UTC)For more than a decade the Canadian Film Centre held events, attended by figures in the Canadian film and television industry, or philanthopists and politicians who supported the industry.. They uploaded several thousand images from those events to flickr. They released them under free licenses - licenses that allowed them to be freely re-used.
The images they released included very well-known public figures for whom we had not yet found free images - like Conrad Black and his wife Barbara Amiel. They also included figures from the industry who were on the cusp of being well-known, like Tatiana Maslany. We have lots of free images of her now. But for the first six months she was notable enough for a BLP the only free image we had of her was one I cropped from a CFC event.
I am not the only WMF contributor who cropped images from the images the CFC uploaded to flickr. But I did the lion's share of it. Media related to Headshots of individuals cropped from the Canadian Film Centre's photos at Wikimedia Commons contains almost 1000 headshots of about 700 to 800 distinct individuals.
Did this work fully comply with the policies of en.wiki, and the commons? I don't think there is any question that this work was fully policy compliant.
Was the effort I put into this worthwhile? Well, there were many dozens of BLP articles, that previously had no images of the BLP, until one of these images cropped from a larger CFC were added to them. So, yes, I think my efforts, and the efforts of some other people, were not only full policy compliant, but were completely worthwhile.
No, I can't agree that cropping those images was harrassment, for any meaningful definition of harrassment. Geo Swan ( talk) 08:52, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
The wikipedia has proven vulnerable to being spoofed. Sadly, it seems there are individuals out there, with time on their hands, who are prepared to spend dozens or hundreds of hours to stealthily undermining the wikipedia. These individuals know how to make lots of valid edits, so that their disruptive edits either go undetected, or seem like good faith mistakes. I know of two individuals, who engaged in this kind of disruption, who, nevertheless, were entrusted with administrator authority.
There is the Essjay controversy example, and the User:Qworty example. See List of Wikipedia controversies#Robert Clark Young for a somewhat inadequate summary of the Qworty disaster.
In my opinion, the vulnerability to being spoofed particularly extends to courtesy deletion. In my opinion it should be regarded as essential that all individuals making requests to delete images or articles about themselves should first have the OTRS team confirm they really are who they say they are.
I think this is one of the things User:HJ Mitchell, the administrator who left the #Only warning here, did. I checked. Administrator HJ was not a member of the OTRS team. So, he made no attempt to refute or confirm whether User:Imissdisco was the real life Dan Trotta.
In my opinion, no matter how obvious it may have seemed to administrator HJ, that Imissdisco was the real life Dan Trotta, he should have recognized that it was essential that OTRS confirm his identity. If OTRS confirms it, there is an audit trail. If Administrator HJ privately satisfies himself that he was corresponding with the real life individual, there is no audit trail.
Who else could it have been? I have wikistalkers, one of whom is not only malicious, but is also extremely clever. Pretending to be a real life individual is exactly the kind of stunt this individual would pull. Geo Swan ( talk) 09:44, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Many contributors who weighed in at WP:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive330#Block_of_User:Geo_Swan voiced the opinion that administrator HJ Mitchell was authorized to delete the Dan Trotta article, on his sole authority, as a response to the apparent request for courtesy deletion. Leaving aside that administrator HJ usurped the authority of the OTRS team, and did not seem to make any effort to confirm the requestor was the real life individual, responding to courtesy deletion requests is not a Criteria for speedy deletion. Policy allows administrators to take a request for courtesy deletion into account, when closing a discussion. That means the request can be the deciding factor in a delete closure of an XfD that would otherwise close as "no consensus".
I went through a two year long process over the speedy deletion of a brand new article I started on Jeffrey Norwitz. I started the article in January 2009, or at least I thought I had. But, when I went back to add some more material, I couldn't find it. I was ready to kick myself, for merely thinking I started it, and failing to notice that it didn't get saved, due to a loss of session. But, that wasn't it.
I had started it, and an administrator had deleted it, without leaving me a heads-up. When I asked for an explanation he explained Norwitz contacted OTRS, and requested its deletion. The administrator was nice about it. He said Norwitz hadn't complained that the article was unfair, or inaccurate. Norwitz just didn't want to be covered by a wikipedia article.
That administrator and I had multiple discussions, over the next two years - every time the google news alert I had on Norwitz brought me a new reference that I thought further enhanced his notability. That administrator remained really nice about it, but he wasn't going to budge.
So, I told him I was taking the article to DRV.
At the DRV everyone agreed:
Yes, of course, administrators are authorized to delete attack pages - when those pages genuinely are attack pages.
I strongly suspect administrator HJ could not provide a meaningful explanation as to how he reached the conclusion the Dan Trotta article was an attack page. If they can provide a convincing explanation, I'll request re-instatement, and promise not to do whatever their explanation says I did wrong. But, it seems to me that neutrally written articles, that fairly summarize what the references say, are not attack pages, for any reasonable definition of "attack page". Geo Swan ( talk) 10:39, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Administrator HJ Mitchell admonished me for using my "superior skills as an editor to get one up in a dispute".
Administrator HJ, my first problem with this passage is that, of course more experienced wikipedians should share their knowledge and experience with less experienced people. The wikipedia has no single training manaul, no single tutorial. This means Every question, every disagreement, is a teachable moment.
My second problem with this passage is, where in the name of heck did you get the idea I engage in discussions in order to win them? I am committed to entering every discussion I engage in bearing in mind that I might be wrong, and the other guy might be right. If I realize I was wrong I try to say so. I try to acknowledge being mistaken even when doing so is unpleasant. I think my record of owning up to mistakes is pretty good.
Administrator HJ, all human beings are subject to normal human fallibility. I know this includes me. I know this includes you. I believe a fair and thorough review of my record will show that when I find myself in a discussion with someone for whom English is a second language, or someone who might have dyslexia, or something similar, I will do my best to respond to what they really meant, even if they actually wrote something that was vulnerable to misinterpretation or mockery. Why? Because we are all fallible, and their trouble expressing themselves doesn't prove they are wrong, and, if I am able to express myself more clearly, that does not make me right.
Yes, we can see discussions here, where an articulate person was able to evade acknowledging they were wrong, and was able to "win" the discussion, in spite of realizing they were mistaken. But I don't do that. I am mystified as to how you came to the conclusion I would ever do that.
I've stated that, in any discussion where a third party makes a request for courtesy deletion, I think it is essential they show us the courtesy of confidentially confirming they are who they say they are. I stand by that, due to the wikipedia's track record of vulnerability to being spoofed. I challenge your assertion that informing Imissdisco of this was an instance of me using my "superior skills as an editor to get one up in a dispute". I think you erred in usurping the role of the OTRS team. Geo Swan ( talk) 11:24, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
We are all fallible - me too.
I am putting this section at the end, because I think my own mistakes are dwarfed by the mistakes made by other people.
Briefly, a fair and detailed examination of my record will show I have generally bent over backwards to NOT respond to triggers from angry respondents.
I didn't do that with the Dan Trotta article. I have held back from responding to triggers 99.x percent of the time. I didn't do that there. Why? My best friend died over Christmas, 2020. March 3rd, 2021, was over 2 months since his death, and I was still adjusting. Pre-covid we met at a coffee shop, and hung out, just about every day, for ten years. Even during covid I saw him several times a week. We went to the same pharmacy, and I brought him his prescriptions.
In late February I bought a twelve-pack, of alcoholic beverages. I hardly drink at all. But I drank a few of those, per night, at the time User:Imissdisco was demanding the deletion of the headshot cropped from File:Gale Anne Hurd Masterclass 2 (6829984489).jpg.
I think over ninety percent of Imissdisco's edits on the commons should be recognized as vandalism. I think most of their edits on en.wiki, were vandalism as well. I have my preferences set so an email is sent to me whenever someone edits one of my User talk pages. Those emails make my call phone ding. On February 28, 2021, my phone dinged, again, and again, as the individual behind Imissdisco left a series of redundant re-nominations to delete the headshot I cropped. Those redundant re-nominations had frivolous edit summaries were clearly intended to provoke me. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] I copied the Dan Trotta article to wikipedia article space while Imissdisco's redundant and offensive renominations were ringing my phone.
99.x percent of the time I rise above petty provocations from vandals. I didn't anticipate that two drinks was all it took for my normal restraint against responding in kind to lapse. But, apparently, that was all it took. Geo Swan ( talk) 08:48, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Whoever is using the Imissdisco wiki-ID has asserted, above, they weren't really a vandal. I thought their edits to the image in question would show otherwise. The image has been restored, and I think edits 2 through 8 do show clear vandalism.
In the commons deletion discussion I explained the importance for the person using Imissdisco to confirm their real world identity, because we couldn't know they were the real Dan Trotta, or a frenemy. This is probably what Imissdisco meant, above, when he asserted he was met with "wild accusations". In that discussion I said if they followed the simple steps to confirm their identity I would support courtesy deletion.
For no reason at all Imissdisco claimed they didn't believe me. And made the seven redundant, insulting vandal nominations. I've now captured diffs, and the text of those insulting redundant vandal nominations.
The Dan Trotta crop is merely one of a thousand similar crops, and I do not consider it much of a loss if imissdisco takes the simple step of confidentially confirming they really are the real life Dan Trotta, and we honour an identity confirmed request for courtesy deletion. Geo Swan ( talk) 21:10, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Are you saying this isn’t the reason you were blocked:
Because it seems quite clear Imissdisco ( talk) 16:16, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Not only that, I see you continue to alter the page YOU created about me on Wikialpha. You’re clearly doing this bc you think it bugs me. But I’m over it, sweetheart. I’ll keep editing it until you get it right. Aren’t you supposed to be good at this? Comprehension is key, I’d imagine.
Yet another reason you shouldn’t be reinstated — you use wiki as a vehicle to exact your demented little version of revenge. I may not be a pro at this, but I know wiki shouldn’t be used as a weapon. Which is exactly what you’ve been doing.
I’d really appreciate it if you apologized, acknowledge what you’ve done, and took the other wiki pages down. That would be a big step, and I’m sure the community here would see it as going a long way towards your being reinstated.
Because here’s what YOU don’t know. I’m in contact with other admins. We exchange emails - we’re pretty friendly. And they are totally unimpressed with your behaviour, to say the least.
Imissdisco ( talk) 16:34, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
For fifteen years or more the Canadian Film Centre published images from events they held, and released them under a free license. Those images became a rich source of headshots to illustrate our articles. Many individuals cropped headshots from the original Canadian Film Centre images, but I cropped the Lion's share of them. I make absolutely no apology for having done so.
Who would have thought there were no other free images of former Lieutenant Governor Hilary Weston, or of Barbara Amiel, or of Flora McDonald, from Joe Clark's cabinet?
Below is a gallery of some of those images, with a link to the associated article... Geo Swan ( talk) 23:10, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
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Hello Geo Swan, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia.
While your contributions are appreciated, I wanted to let you know that I've started a discussion about whether an article that you created, Suzanne Lachelier, should be deleted, as I am not sure that it is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia in its current form. Your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Suzanne Lachelier.
Deletion discussions usually run for seven days and are not votes. Our guide about effectively contributing to such discussions is worth a read. The most common issue in these discussions is notability, but it's not the only aspect that may be discussed; read the nomination and any other comments carefully before you contribute to the discussion. Last but not least, you are highly encouraged to continue improving the article; just be sure not to remove the tag about the deletion nomination from the top.
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Chris Troutman ( talk) 14:29, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
The redirect Ashraf Abdullah Ahsy has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 9 § Ashraf Abdullah Ahsy until a consensus is reached. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 00:06, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hamidullah Khan (Bagram captive) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.Allan Nonymous ( talk) 20:33, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashraf Abdullah Ahsy until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.— TechnoSquirrel69 ( sigh) 15:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Garrity until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.