Hey, Epicgenius! So here's the thing about dyk: if you haven't created preps, you have no idea what prep-setters and admins at dyk do or what challenges they face. Many editors who are regular nominators and reviewers think they'd be willing to admin, but have never filled preps, and when they become admins and start moving preps to queues, they quickly realize they didn't know what they were volunteering for. A prep-setter doesn't just create a balanced set. They also do a quick re-review on many of the hooks; you get to know whose hooks you don't have to review too heavily, but you always have to at least go check for a recent edit war or tags. If the nominator or the reviewer are new or known to be sloppy, you'll have to do a full re-review of that hook. Often prep-setters have questions they have to ask at the hook, and they deal with pushback from noms/reviewers/passersby for that. Then once you've finished a prep you have to deal with fallout at DYK talk and ERRORS. Admins do the exact same thing -- a re-review, because prep-setters miss things too, then the move (fairly simple), posting questions at DYK talk and pinging involved parties, dealing with pushback from them, and finally any fallout at ERRORS when someone finds an error you missed. So if you think you would be willing to admin at dyk, definitely go fill preps for a while to see if you like it or not. Some people love it -- I did, and I like adminning there -- but not everyone is cut out for it. It's a high-visibility job. People catch your mistakes, and the only way to prevent that is to catch other people's mistakes first.
—valereee (
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15:20, 5 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Valereee, thanks for the advice. That is good to know. I think this sort of stuff should be enjoyable for me, even if a bit difficult. I just read the project page on prep areas, and it seems a bit difficult to get a good balance on hooks.
epicgenius (
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15:23, 5 May 2020 (UTC)reply
That's one of the most fun parts of setting preps. The thing to do for your first prep is pick the bottom empty set (which right now gives you three days to fill it but normally six days.) Count to figure out whether the image hook needs a bio or a non-bio (it alternates by day). Go find one, vet it, and transfer it. That'll let the other prep setters know you'll fill that set. Not that they or an admin won't move stuff in and out if they need it or think another set is better for that hook, but in general one prep-setter works on a set. Then start putting the puzzle together -- no more than four bios (alternating in the set with non-bio), no more than one music/science/military/whatever subject. Not too many from any one country, though 2 - 4 USA hooks will be necessary. A balance of geographical area, not all from English-speaking countries. A balance of long and short. And of course a quirky. It's an art. Don't be afraid to trim or tweak hooks, but read the nom first if you do, as there may have already been discussion. Keep on top of talk in case someone asks a question about one of the hooks in that set, because some people won't realize they need to ping you as the promoter. :) Ping me any time, and Yoninah will often leave pointers on how to improve at your talk. When she stops, you know you're getting near the point of competence. :)
—valereee (
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15:47, 5 May 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Kew Gardens 613, the pleasure is mine. I do agree that the
Clark Street Tunnel should get its own page in the future. I've also noticed that there's a lot more that can be said about the Broadway-Seventh Avenue Line, especially its construction, and will have to work on it gradually. The biggest mess, though, is the Canal Street article - there are a lot of details about the BMT station that are just not mentioned at the moment, and the article in general needs more refs.As for the Union Square station, the article already mentions both the 9/11 memorial and the post-it wall (the second paragraph of
14th Street–Union Square station#Artwork). I thought one paragraph would be sufficient, seeing as how the artwork was not sanctioned by the MTA but seems to be covered by multiple reliable sources. –
Epicgenius (
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14:38, 2 May 2023 (UTC)reply
I fully agree. I missed it somehow. Don't forget the
Stantec studies, like the one that found making
Clark Street accessible was infeasible, and which provides some sourcing for station layout (i.e. platform length/width).
Kew Gardens 613 (
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15:17, 2 May 2023 (UTC)reply
I agree and can get around to that soon. In the meantime, I was looking at the study for Union Square, which says: This technology does not meet ADA standards, and since there is currently no technology that does, there is no fully accessible solution for the southbound platform. We are including an option for providing elevator service to this platform in this report with the understanding that this will not provide a fully accessible solution at this time. So I suppose this means the southbound platform can get an elevator, it just won't be ADA-accessible because gap fillers, by their very nature, are ADA-inaccessible. –
Epicgenius (
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15:47, 2 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Yeah. Also, unrelated, but the 1990 Clark Street Tunnel fire was very notable, and there were major reports done on fire safety/communication, etc. in its aftermath. It would warrant an article of its own.
Kew Gardens 613 (
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16:06, 2 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Also-the provisions in the Eastern Parkway Line used for the Clark Street Tunnel connection were initially intended for a line over the Manhattan Bridge.
Kew Gardens 613 (
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14:27, 5 May 2023 (UTC)reply
That is interesting. If we can find a reliable source for this, I could add it to the Borough Hall or Eastern Parkway Line articles. –
Epicgenius (
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14:35, 5 May 2023 (UTC)reply
I have seen reliable sources for this-if you cannot find them, I can look for them after I get my final paper for the semester done today.
Kew Gardens 613 (
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14:49, 5 May 2023 (UTC)reply
I agree. I've noticed quite a bit of info about how Canal Street's proximity to the old Collect Pond contributed to tons of water problems there. I can add these sources in later. –
Epicgenius (
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18:04, 16 May 2023 (UTC)reply
That's very interesting. I might have to look through this journal to, um, shore up some architectural articles as well. That Canal Street article was really detailed, and I expect the others will be no different. –
Epicgenius (
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18:46, 16 May 2023 (UTC)reply
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In the article
Soldiers' and Sailors' Arch, you added text referring to "symbols of Brooklyn". I looked around, and there isn't much on the topic on Wikipedia or the Internet generally.
This article from the
Brooklyn Public Library says that "Seventy years ago Mrs. Florence A. Blum lobbied to make Forsythia Brooklyn's official flower," but I don't see that it was accepted. Are there any unofficial or official symbols of Brooklyn? Abductive (
reasoning)07:31, 25 July 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Abductive, thanks for pointing this out. I had a look at the sources again; they're not so much referring to symbols of Brooklyn, but rather, the city seal of Brooklyn. I'll fix that now. –
Epicgenius (
talk)
13:16, 25 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Hi Epicgenius. Back in June we discussed the possibility of adding the following sentence to the lead of the
Brookfield Properties article: "As of 2024, Brookfield Properties operates corporate offices in nine countries around the world." At the time, you said you were unfamiliar with some of the additional sources I cited to back up the primary (
WP:ABOUTSELF) information at the
Brookfield Properties contact page. I have done some additional research and I have found some prominent and more familiar secondary sources to support this information. I hope you'll now be more comfortable adding this line back to the article:
Hi @
Claudiailagan, thanks for the heads up. I've had a quick look at all of these, and they all seem reliable. Do you mind posting this comment on the Brookfield Properties talk page as well? I might look at it later this week. –
Epicgenius (
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19:23, 29 July 2024 (UTC)reply
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Thanks for addressing my limited concerns, you made it very easy.
I'm not sure if you've seen, but I've been working through the backlog on
Wikipedia:Good article nominations#Art and architecture. I've avoided reviewing the same nominator's work twice, in case they don't like my review style. As it stands, half of the backlog I feel comfortable tackling are nominations by you. Would you be okay with me continuing to review your nominations, or would you prefer to have some variety in reviewers?
Rollinginhisgrave (
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14:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Rollinginhisgrave, thanks for the feedback - it's much appreciated. I'm okay with you reviewing another one of my articles (even though in general I do like having a variety of reviewers). There's a pretty sizeable backlog however, and not a lot of reviewers to choose from, so thanks for taking it on.
Epicgenius (
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14:43, 31 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Yeah I agree that having a variety of reviewers is better. Hopefully even if I don't review all of your nominations, I can clear out the entries that were above you in the queue so other reviewers get to yours quicker.
Rollinginhisgrave (
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14:48, 31 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 25
Hey there, welcome to the 25th issue of the Wikipedia
Scripts++ Newsletter, covering all our favorite new and updated user scripts since 1 March 2024. We've got a ton of wonderful editors taking back their pitchforks today. Don't worry, for they come in peace, to forcibly fix and extend existing scripts you use with sheer passion. There's so many, them forks have got what's basically their own column now! gift us with some rows before it's too late
Aaron Liu (
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04:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)reply
Got anything good? Tell us about your new, improved, old, or messed-up script
here!
To a lesser extent, the same goes for
PrimeHunter/Search sort. I wish someone would integrate the sorts into the sort menu instead of adding 11 portlet links.
An easily configurable script to add a link to the #p-vector-user-menu-overflow portlet with a name, target, and icon. This one should be a relatively easier one. I would do it myself, but I'm too busy rotting away on
Celeste (video game).
After the ＲＩＩＪ update,
Aaron Liu:
Watchlyst Greybar Unsin has a dismiss button that allows you to mark an item as read in one click and cycle to the next Watchlist item.
Lordseriouspig/StatusChangerImproved is just like Enterprisey's script, except you select your status from a dropdown instead of cycling through them with a button. The WMF operates out of car-centric infrastructure anyway. Shame!
Newly maintained scripts
Aaron Liu has created
Duplinks from
Evad37/duplinks-alt; his fork adds a config variable to automatically highlight duplicate links on the loading of any page where the portlet link would've appeared.
Tired of staring at a bunch of filtering text and waiting for darn filter logs to load?
Msz2001/AbuseFilter analyzer can parse abuse filters into a visual syntax tree and evaluate locally on-demand!
Polygnotus/DuplicateReferences finds references with the same link and displays the number of them along with a button to add the {{duplicated citations}} tag under the references section. Being lazy has never been easier!
fastest gun on the net
Ponor/really-quick-block really quick add to contribution lists three buttons awesome
The
2024 Developing Countries WikiContest has now been running for a month, and we've already seen some momentous improvement in the quality of many articles about underrepresented subjects! So far, our top-scoring participants are:
Magentic Manifestations (
submissions) – 338 points, mainly from nine good articles. He's a contender for the "most submissions for a single country" specialty award, with nine submissions for India.
Arconning (
submissions) – 305 points, including from six seasonally-appropriate Olympics-related good articles.
Generalissima (
submissions) – 290 points, the bulk from her featured article about Greenlandic interpreter
Qalaherriaq and two China-related good articles.
Thebiguglyalien (
submissions) – 144 points from three good articles, including two about Kiribati elections, and four reviews of good article nominees.
Looking for ways to climb up the leaderboard yourself? Help out your fellow participants by answering a few review requests, particularly the older entries. Several more nominations needing attention are listed at eligible reviews, and highlighed entries receive a 1.5× multiplier! The coordinators would like to extend a special thanks to Thebiguglyalien (
submissions) for his commitment to keeping these review pages up to date.
Thanks for the heads up @
Bigeez. On a quick glance, I noticed that your second sandbox is extremely long, at about 18,000 words. The Wikipedia guideline
WP:TOOBIG recommends that articles should be no longer than around 15,000 words. Therefore, I have a few suggestions:
I think the details about the architects and the neighborhood could be added to the architect and neighborhood articles themselves, rather than to the UN Plaza article. Then, on the UN Plaza page, the info about the architects and neighborhood can be condensed to one paragraph each.
In addition (or alternatively), I'd suggest that 1, 2, and 3 UN Plaza all be split into separate pages. Even though they were designed as part of the same master plan, all of these buildings are also probably notable on their own.
Hi
Epicgenius, please take a peek at your earliest convenience. I took your advice and split them up. I realize there are necessary edits forthcoming, and I also wanted to tell you how very impressed I am with your acumen of NYC and your articles. I will email Linda (RD archivist) to tell her to become a Wiki editor and edit the articles where it is needed. Between you, her, and me, we should be able to place a decent article on the UN Plaza buildings and Dinkeloo. Cheers, Eli
In
March 2019, you added lots of valuable content to
Seneca Village. One particular phrase that caught my attention - "Some residents, such as foundry owner Edward Snowden, simply relocated elsewhere [in New York]". I found this to be an interesting coincidence of name (to
Edward Snowden), and I found your source to be accurate.
In short, thanks very much for providing and properly citing material to Wikipedia. I appreciate your contributions, and I think it would make an interesting DYK hook if it was nominated five years ago. Cheers.
LR.127 (
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06:19, 3 August 2024 (UTC)reply
Bumping thread for 30 days.
Epicgenius (
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22:32, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by
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Sammi Brie (
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. The article is close to meeting the
good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See
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; see
Talk:Oliver Gould Jennings House for comments about the article, and
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Sammi Brie (
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Got anything good? Tell us about your new, improved, old, or messed-up script
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Magentic Manifestations (
submissions) – 338 points, mainly from nine good articles. He's a contender for the "most submissions for a single country" specialty award, with nine submissions for India.
Arconning (
submissions) – 305 points, including from six seasonally-appropriate Olympics-related good articles.
Generalissima (
submissions) – 290 points, the bulk from her featured article about Greenlandic interpreter
Qalaherriaq and two China-related good articles.
AirshipJungleman29 (
submissions) – 245 points, mostly from the achievement of bringing
Genghis Khan to featured status.
Thebiguglyalien (
submissions) – 144 points from three good articles, including two about Kiribati elections, and four reviews of good article nominees.