I don't think humbling was the intention ;) - Consider changing your sig now that the Values were moved? - TFA plans? - Click on my Happy again tomorrow, when we'll get to the article I wanted for New Years Day. Nothing wrong with our music instead, of course. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
10:32, 11 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Double pings
Regarding
[1], the WMF just enabled "notify from edit summary". I can totally see the good intention, allowing one to notify someone without actually adding a link to their name, but as a side effect it means that if someone links to your userpage in the text and mentions your name in the edit summary, it's treated as two separate actions. I'm sure you're as shocked as I am that the WMF would roll out a piece of software before it was fully tested. ‑
Iridescent14:47, 9 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Oh, no. I've been double pinging a lot of people for a long time. I'm terribly sorry. I will henceforth not paste some/all of the message into the edit summary box. That was lazy of me. I'm so sorry. It must have been driving you and others nuts.
Anna Frodesiak (
talk)
19:53, 9 January 2019 (UTC)reply
I see, understand. I you have a moment, check out
User:Gerda Arendt/Images 2019 (formerly Christmas), for
a smile, and sharing (a Nobel Peace Prize), and resolutions. I wanted that for 1 January, but then wasn't sad about having our music pictured instead. Not too late for resolutions, New Year or not. DYK that he probably kept me on Wikipedia, back in 2012? By the line (which brought him to my attention, and earned the first precious in br'erly style) that I added to my editnotice, in fond memory? --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
15:08, 12 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Dweller, just as a point of curiosity I noticed that you haven't performed any global renames as yet. Was wondering if you need a quick primer on renames in the global system, or perhaps want to think about relinquishing the privileges if they're not going to be used to reduce attack surfaces. –
xenotalk14:23, 4 April 2019 (UTC)reply
I think I gained that permission just before being forced by RL into some hefty inactivity and haven't thought about it since. I'm reasonably inactive just at the moment again. I'll take a look when I reemerge. --
Dweller (
talk) Become
old fashioned!17:02, 7 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Next assignment
Okay, "busy" notice notwithstanding, we're reaching the tumultuous climax of Beattie's achingly slow FAC. I wondered if you had any interest in seeing what we could do with
Dickie Bird? I have his autobiography and will be doing lots of long-haul travel over the next two or three months....
The Rambling Man (
talk)
14:48, 15 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Onwiki time very limited and I'm sticking to trivialities. I've barely scanned the suggestions but Ian is a good FA participant and knows what he's talking about if you're happy, I'd accept all his suggestions. It's possible my growing admiration for Beattie skewed my judgement, though I've always been a sucker for a quote, because real people's voices are interesting and overcome the tendency towards vanilla that NPOV and PEACOCK push us to --
Dweller (
talk) Become
old fashioned!11:48, 17 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Thank you today for
Kevin Beattie, described "by Bobby Robson as the greatest England footballer he had ever seen, Beattie's story is one of tragedy and premature foreshortening in many senses. A complete footballer, an Ipswich legend, back when the Tractor Boys were a European force to be reckoned with ..."! --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
05:23, 16 September 2019 (UTC)reply
I finally got a book about South Australian cars for the Hammer article. It got a lot more information and even a picture of the car! --
Vauxford (
talk)
18:47, 13 February 2019 (UTC)reply
Okay, we've finally moved on. Ramsey now. And while I'm travelling, Butcher. It might be possible that ITFC will have more FA's than any other club if we keep it up...!
The Rambling Man (
talk)
22:56, 13 February 2019 (UTC)reply
Butcher was Coventry manager for a while in the early nineties. Not one of our greatest periods that though, as he guided us to almost being relegated twice. —
Amakuru (
talk)
23:05, 13 February 2019 (UTC)reply
In April, I wondered if I should alert you to a RfA but then though that you wanted to remain neutral in order be able to cratchat. A bit sad that I was wrong ;) - You don't have to read much, Iridescent said it all. Ah well, I read
good advice this morning ("Did I really waste all those years arguing about that?") and won't argue. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
08:54, 9 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Just a feeling: many names in the support section looked familiar, and many in the oppose new. I may be wrong in numbers, and have no time to analyse, so understand you, of course ;) --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
09:34, 9 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Hi Gerda, I take RfA very very seriously. I wouldn't support or oppose a candidate I hadn't researched and I wouldn't use my Crat tools, or opine as a Crat, without having done a proper job of reading the relevant pages. I just can't do any of that right now. --
Dweller (
talk) Become
old fashioned!13:06, 9 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Well, I said I understand, but looking at a withdrawal offer, might you look after all? Just read the crat chat, I think all descriptions are valid, just the conclusions differ. The key question seems (to me) if you have to be a saint to be an admin on Wikipedia, or if people who make mistakes are also welcome. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
09:07, 10 April 2019 (UTC)reply
To me, it still looks like no consensus (whatever that may mean) to me, but I am not in the crat position, don't even look there often. Did you see the women's corner on the chat talk? --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
10:51, 10 April 2019 (UTC)reply
... Ramsey has some FAC issues it would be cool if you could take a look at. Either because I need your eagle eyes, or because I'm not playing along. Cheers.
The Rambling Man (
talk)
10:55, 2 March 2019 (UTC)reply
The blurb at the bottom of the page is what I've got so far for your cricket article ... normally I wait until a FAC is promoted before I point anyone to the blurb, but I'd prefer to avoid embarrassing myself with my minuscule cricket knowledge. Edits would be welcome. - Dank (
push to talk)
15:37, 2 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Ah ha. You are most welcome, and thank you for formulating those helpful notes - they have assisted another relative newbie - me - in orientating themselves in this novel environment.
Gog the Mild (
talk)
23:05, 5 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Ramsey refs
88 & 89 come from Bowler which we already list in the bibliography, what are the relevant page numbers for those? The refs should just be "Bowler, p. X" or "Bowler, pp. X–Y" etc.
The Rambling Man (
talk)
13:29, 7 March 2019 (UTC)reply
I'm conscious that with The Beat and Ramsey, we've been a bit Tractor-centric, so if you'd like to try to get some budgie up to snuff for GAN (like Roberts) then we should make that our next focus. Whaddyareckon?
The Rambling Man (
talk)
10:02, 22 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Let the gap-toothed fun begin. I have his book, but it's hard to use as source material, as it's a diary of a season, with reminiscences thrown in. He's quite a prolific pundit online, which also adds possible source material. Identify where you think there are gaps (I'm too close on this one) and I'll see if I can ... find dentures for them? And Bird is a bit of a hero of mine. --
Dweller (
talk) Become
old fashioned!10:09, 22 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Hi Dweller - I'm a bit confused by your closing edit to this chat
[2] as you don't seem to express a view. Do you agree with the majority that there is a consensus? I presume you do but I think it would be best if you stated it. Avi did make it clear that this is what we were hoping for
[3]. See
Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Liz/Bureaucrat discussion where, after I made the same point
[4], Xeno opined and closed the discussion. WJBscribe(talk)11:50, 11 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Hi
WJBscribe I didn't think it necessary because I found clear consensus on the opinions already expressed. If you think it's helpful, I'll be happy to add mine to it. It will not muddy the waters. --
Dweller (
talk) Become
old fashioned!12:07, 11 April 2019 (UTC)reply
I am offended by your over-step
I find this edit of yours beyond your remit. As I understand it, the RfA in question fell below the discretionary range. The actions of the bureaucrats involved is a break with the community and actively harms our administrative processes. (I am not
watching this page, so please
ping me if you want my attention.)Chris Troutman (
talk)11:23, 11 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Hello
Chris troutman. I think you'd be less offended, or even not offended at all if you better understood the discretionary range. The power of the Crats is extremely well defined and we are a rather conservative bunch, and I'm one of the more conservative ones in the group. --
Dweller (
talk) Become
old fashioned!11:33, 11 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Dweller, please note that an Arb case request has also been filed about this. Deary me, what a colossal waste of time! The irony is, of course, that RexxS has done more good for the Wikipedia than most dissenters put together. Hope this doesn't drain too much of your time going forward...
The Rambling Man (
talk)
11:53, 11 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Dweller, thank you for doing this. It was about time that someone put a stop to the tyranny of the nitpicking minority that has ruined countless RfAs.
Biblio (
talk)
16:26, 11 April 2019 (UTC)reply
+1 - you done good, Dweller. 🏆 RexxS is supposed to be an admin. I don't want to get all mushy so that's it from me. "Cheers!" 🍻
AtsmeTalk📧22:36, 11 April 2019 (UTC)reply
BLP?
Thanks for being lenient with me. :) BLP for someone dead 10 years? I don't think so. But the next time someone who appears to be Light Current shows up, I'll take it to an admin. Maybe to one of the admins who has already chastised that IP-hopper for continuing to ask the same question over and over, about the term "classic". ←
Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→
13:08, 12 April 2019 (UTC)reply
I try to support Wikipedians. There are too few of us. Not enough people round here realise that our people are the most precious thing this project has. Yes, hand trolls or apparent trolls on to admins. I don't think it's your specialism - answering Limeys' questions about Amurrcan sports is much more suited to you. --
Dweller (
talk) Become
old fashioned!14:00, 12 April 2019 (UTC)reply
I've dealt with trolls off and on for well over 10 years, and for some of them, at least, I am very familiar with their patterns. Those are not Wikipedians. And having to deal with some of them is where I first ran across WP:ANI. I'd been here for a year or more before I knew ANI existed. Would that I had never had to know about it. ←
Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→
14:54, 12 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Moe
Non-rhotic "more", at least in the Liverpool accent, sounds like "Moe" (or "mow"). Moe also being the name of one-third of the Three Stooges, whose films were also a big revival hit around that time. ←
Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→
20:01, 12 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Hello Dweller,
I have been working on expanding the article on
E. Elias Merhige's 1990 experimental horror film Begotten for quite some time now via a separate userspace draft. My goal is to get it up to FA status but I really need someone to review it for me and give me some pointers on what I need to add or improve BEFORE I finally submit it for GA and later FA status or maybe even give me a list of names o0f who else could help me expand it. I know that might be a tall order to ask of you considering you are not as active as you once were but I just thought I'd put it out there. If you are unable to do so please let me know of any other users I could ask. You can find the link to the article here:
Begotten (Revision Draft)--
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17:03, 23 April 2019 (UTC)reply
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posting issues on old FAC talk pages? If not fixed and any were particularly bad, would you be okay to post them at
WP:FAR? I feel a bit hamstrung as I am the coordinator so if I nominate any I am sort of wearing two hats.....if not don't worry, just thinking of getting things kick-started
Cas Liber (
talk·contribs)
08:53, 23 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Hi. I'm sympathetic, but we don't refer to
Donald Trump as President Donald Trump. There's a reason why her article is at
Elizabeth II. She may be my queen, but she isn't everyone's. Anyone who is confused as to who Elizabeth II is can click the wikilink. What I was fixing was an out and out error (referring to her as "Queen Elizabeth", who
was this person). --
Dweller (
talk) Become
old fashioned!12:39, 20 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the response, Dweller. I don't think the Trump example is apposite, because part of the reason to use "Queen" here is that people don't usually say "Elizabeth two" in common parlance, and that Elizabeth is a common name; when someone says "
Donald Trump" it unmistakably refers to one person, so the prefatory "President" is not needed. Indeed, a quick search of Wikipedia shows 26,328 pages that refer to "Queen Elizabeth," against only 16,277 that refer to "Elizabeth II." Using "Queen" is simply a signal that she is a queen, not that she is a particular person's queen. Finally, if we're relying on people clicking the link for clarity, that would seem to be what you were trying to avoid at first, for you termed
Queen Elizabeth "[a]n Easter Egg link." Best, --
Usernameunique (
talk)
12:59, 20 June 2019 (UTC)reply
StevenJ81, it would be more helpful to point to particular discussions (and/or to share your own take), than to a page with 39 separate archives, and to an entire WikiProject. Thanks, --
Usernameunique (
talk)
19:43, 20 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Your welcome I found it at a website called Historical Football Kits. And got the pattern from a old Cameroon international kit.
16:19, 9 July (GMT) — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
2A02:C7F:9616:2800:2928:24D8:E56D:8C3C (
talk)
Hi Dweller. Apparently you sent me an email, however it appears I still have a now defunct email address from years ago still connected to this account. I've now updated it if you want to sent them over again! Thanks.
StickyWicket (
talk)
16:42, 30 July 2019 (UTC)reply
I have not made any comments
directly about
AGK. I made a comment about you responding to his criticism of you and not responding to mine or others. Please rectify the misleading impression you have given that I have left revolting comments "about" AGK.
Leaky caldron (
talk)
09:19, 1 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Just to be clear, this: "Your comments about
AGK are revolting and I won't respond to them" clearly implies that I have left a revolting remark about AGK. You know that not to be the case. My remark was to you - and was certainly not revolting. When I read it I had hoped you had simply made a mistake in phrasing and emphasis. Leaving it as it is is, as you well know, a beacon for anyone wishing to pile-on. If they have time, I would welcome @
AGK:s view on this and whether they think my comment is (a) about them and if so, (b) revolting.
Leaky caldron (
talk)
10:45, 1 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Your comment was that I was behaving differently because of who AGK is. That's a revolting comment. And it's about AGK. If anyone should be reverting themselves it's you. I am sure you are very upset that I found consensus to be different from your interpretation, but that is normal. In any Cratchat, by definition, at least 25% of the !voters will be disappointed, but twisting words and then casting aspersions is unnecessary. --
Dweller (
talk) Become
old fashioned!10:54, 1 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Absolutely not. I found it to be hasty (which you appeared to say yourself) and based on numbers rather than reasoning (which others including AGK raised concern about). I have read the rationales of 4 others - they seem well balanced. So your decision is certainly consistent. It remains a fact that I pinged you in the
Math section. It is also a fact that you explained your rationale to AGK. You could have responded to me there, but you didn't. It is not clear why you have now responded in such an inflammatory way, in another section, 2 days later. Clearly my vote counting remark has antagonised you and I apologise for that, but you can hardly claim your decision to be one of your finest moments in effective communication either. It is not your usual style, as I recall it. Best.
Leaky caldron (
talk)
11:24, 1 August 2019 (UTC)reply
I'm happy to re-admit that my initial post was brief and hasty. The thinking behind it was far from brief and hasty. I think Crats have a duty to respond to RfX closures swiftly. It's unfair on the candidate to linger and I had followed the RfA through its course and was very familiar with it, meaning it was easy for me to give my opinion on the consensus swiftly. I knew I wouldn't be back onwiki for at least 12 hours and I actually thought at the time it would be more than double that. Look, I'm happy to extend you the benefit of the doubt, literally. Rereading my post, I suppose it does have an appearance of vote-counting, although I thought (think) I'd said enough to explain it was not merely that. But you're wrong on the other matter. I didn't explain my rationale "to AGK". A number of people on the talk page, and one Crat on the main page, had discussed the weight of unexplained supports. I added a note about it on the main discussion page, and when I did, AGK thanked me. That is all. --
Dweller (
talk) Become
old fashioned!13:30, 1 August 2019 (UTC)reply
A cup of tea for you!
Thanks for the RfA nomination. I regret that it was unsuccessful, but your support was greatly appreciated. I hope you don't feel that your reputation was tarnished buy the nomination. The RfA was unusual in some ways. Most unsuccessful RfAs see supporters defect; here they remained form. And most RfA, even successful ones, see a piling on of opposes towards the end. Here, even though it was clearly doomed, support picked up towards the end.
Hawkeye7(discuss)19:56, 23 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Hawkeye7 That's very kind of you, thank you. I think it was a rough ride. I think it was a bit of a mixed bag - you got some fair criticism in there for some of your recent actions, which raised my eyebrows and seemed to solidify the expected opposition anyone with a chequered history could expect. What was unfortunate was the wording you used in the Fram debate which really boomeranged onto you, especially because nerves are still so raw on that subject. My advice would be to keep plugging away, forget about adminship for a while, keep doing what you do well and reflect on some of the comments. --
Dweller (
talk) Become
old fashioned!13:35, 30 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Thank you but I don't deserve it. I'm exhausted by a deletion discussion with COI suspicion on top, by an RfC I wanted to ignore but was encouraged and went, only to receive "untrue" in response, and the daily nagging because of less than perfect wording of DYK hooks. BUT:
glorious music to come, singing! Congrats to 11 years of bureaucratship. Can you solve the LH vanishing? I know she was reported missing already in July 2018, but probably just for retirement. I'm sure she wasn't renamed as vanished recently, but when? --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
13:53, 30 August 2019 (UTC)reply
I'm no crat, former or otherwise, but I'll be there on the other side of the bar with my laptop and a Doom Bar of my own, writing articles or something. Congrats on the anniversary! —
Amakuru (
talk)
15:41, 30 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Congratulations on the anniversary, and what a very civilised offer! I'll have a bitter, thanks, which is no reflection on my experience of bureaucratship!
Warofdreamstalk19:32, 31 August 2019 (UTC)reply