My browser was about to quit on your talk page! sincerely, Mattisse 03:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
It is much improved from its submission. Personally, I liked the infobox before you changed it just now. (But I am ignorant about info boxes and all you go through regarding them -- and the mysterious requirements of FA editors. That one you just replaced - at least I could follow it and find the dynasty I wanted.) The new map is better though -- more comprehenisve and accurate, I gather. (You must have a very hectic life -- I, by contrast, am merely endlessly talked about in an Arbitration in which I refuse to do more than make one short statement!) Sincerely, Mattisse 03:47, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Sarvabhaum 04:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
The preceding/succeeding states are automatically shifted to the bottom if more than 4 feature on either side. This came from layout problems that arose when too many states were placed at the top. - 52 Pickup 09:12, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello Dineshkannambadi,
Who are these, Feature Article reviewers, are and what do you mean by violation,and why are you anticipating the it would not be allowed when some wiki pages have them.
Thanks Southernstar
Hello Mr.Dineshkannambadi, On what basis did you come to the conclusion that Swell's e-book is not an useful information.It is just like what one finds under *USEFUL READING* section.Moreover that book from 1905 forms the basis for most other English books covered on Vijayanagara Empire.So Don't you think that is not useful.Moreoover I think it is necessary to allow that link,if other Wiki pages allow it.Do not make comittee decisions with a narrow set of rules. Southernstar
I added a dot in the capital city locationin in vijayanagara empire. I have not added text since, then other language wikis may not like it. mlpkr 18:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I see you and I both have sent numerous messages to the e-book person! Anything you want me to do in particular today? The editors have not made any new comments. Sincerely, -- Mattisse 19:12, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I added Molla (poetess), Timmakka, Lakshmana Pandita etc. articles. They are stubs and add information if you have more. I also provided links to missing telugu poets. mlpkr 19:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
How did it ever reach the arbitration stage? That seems drastic for a content dispute. I have been involved in one since December.
One of the proposals is that I be banned from Wikipedia for six months! I haven't really entered into it and I can barely follow what is happening. But it is an exhausting and horrible process. And I have no faith in the outcome. It is making me think about leaving Wikipedia. I hope yours is nothing like that.
Anything I can do to help you, let me know. Sincerely, Mattisse 21:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
P.S. When you look at a diff, how do you find where it is on the page? It says Line #, but then how do you find that line? (That is part of the reason I can't follow my own arbitration.) -- Mattisse 21:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
It's all horrible. Mine was preceeded by
Then more mediations.
You would think I was a really interesting person! And nothing was accomplished by any of these endless time-consumming processes. I can't even read the stuff!
Did you know that
Then there are more Chalukyas articles with other names. Sincerely, Mattisse 21:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I vowed months ago never to ever get involved with India articles again for this very reason. (I keep breaking that vow.) My original trouble was magnified by editing India articles and harassment by people who were perceived as Indian because of their name and thus accepted as such and their irrational behavior defended by others on that basis. Now it turns out they are not Indian at all. Everyone is irrational. -- Mattisse 22:21, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
[1] I ran across this article link on Wikipedia a few days ago and I think it explains some of this. It is very serious. When it is said "Don't feed the trolls" I did not understand the importance of that before because I was not understanding what was happening. Sincerely, Mattisse 22:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
P.S. If you ever want to discuss this seriously it should be by email. -- Mattisse 22:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Please run a spell check on this FA candidate when you have time. It is nearing a final stage before it gets the nod.Sincerely. Dineshkannambadi 22:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Sarvabhaum 09:06, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I know what it says, but I don't understand the dynamics behind it - why Hinduism? Because of the influence of those three writers mentioned in the articles? Hinduism then seem very different from Wikipedia Hinduism. -- Mattisse 11:37, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes it it -- just doesn't have the Star yet. -- Mattisse 15:36, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
They haven't hatched yet, it's true. But reading down the cadidate page at the comments on other articles, I feel it's a foregone conclusion. You have had Featured Articles before, no serious objections have been made, and this article (in my opinion) is better than your others. The nominator is just letting the process run to completion before he stamps it. I am 100% sure. But I understand your hesitancy. Sincerely, -- Mattisse 16:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I am the same way. It's called being obsessive-compulsive. -- Mattisse 16:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I was looking on Amazon.com
-- Mattisse 16:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there any evidence that Praudha Raya (also known as Praudha Devaraya) wrote a book on erotics? This sentence was in the Praudha Raya article: He wrote Ratiratnapradipika, a book on erotics.
I thought the wikilink was very misleading: Rather than going to the work as it looks like it does, it is piped and goes to List of authors of erotic works.
[[List of authors of erotic works|Ratiratnapradipika]]
The List of authors of erotic works is not referenced, and the same person who put the misleading link in the Praudha Raya article is also the person who added Praudha Devaraya's name to the list thusly (piped):
So, does your book reference to the article say he wrote Ratiratnapradipika, a book on erotics? None of the external links on the page do.
This is important because Vijayanagara Empire contains this sentence: Notable among secular writings on music and medicine were Vidyaranya's Sangitsara, Praudha Raya's Ratiratnapradipika, Sayana's Ayurveda Sudhanidhi and Lakshmana Pandita's Vaidyarajavallabham. [1]
This may be of no consequence but I noticed earlier today someone reverted Sayana because the same person who put the misleasing link in Praudha Raya put unsourced material in Sayana. You probably should check out Lakshmana Pandita also. I will if I have the energy.
I removed the misleading link as that type of link is improper. Sincerely, Mattisse 02:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
SHUT UP! stop irritating me. Damn,how do u expect all these things from a book which is of 1924 AD.Do u have sense? Stop bullying me. Dont write in my talk page. Let some senior and sane person talk to me and I will clarify him. U dont come to my talk page and trouble me. Is that clear? Sarvabhaum 18:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi! I am yet to go through the whole article. I'll comment in FAC then. So far, my concern has been the length. However, considering the coverage of the article, I may consider that ;) -- Dwaipayan ( talk) 18:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Go to Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Outreach and add yourself as a member in Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Members. You will receive the monthly newsletter which is a gist of India related major activities in Wikipedia. This is maintained by some of Indian members. Tell others to do the same. Spread the word!-- Dwaipayan ( talk) 19:27, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Do you want me to go through Vijayanagara Empire for odd wording? Now it seems from the FA comments that they are bothered by that and want straight forward word usage. Sincerely, Mattisse
I thought the excess linking had been removed. I'll remove all I can - some of that is a matter of opinion (as is everything, I guess). -- Mattisse 20:48, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
The names of person bear relinking on occasion. I was thinking that granite and other words like that should be delinked. -- Mattisse 20:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Glancing through your footnotes, it looks like there are several instances where you could use a "named reference". This would reduce the large volume at the bottom. It would also make the text much easier to edit. Even when the reference isn't on the same page, you can give a range of pages, say p. 117, 234-236. I have done this many times. It really saves space. Sincerely, -- Mattisse 22:57, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
See the references here: Open the Door, Richard. Look how they are named in the text, then how they show up in Notes. -- Mattisse 23:10, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Maybe the footnotes need rethinking. Both the above articles use a variety of ways to convey details. Sincerely, Mattisse 23:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I can't tell anymore if there are remaining links that should not be. Can you? Sincerely, Mattisse
I ordered Rock-Cut Temples Styles; Early Pandyan Art and the Ellora Shrines, by y K. V Soundara Rajan, K.V. SOUNDARA RAJAN as an experiment. Besides, thes subject is excatly my interest. We will see what hapens. I must order another book as I have a #25 coupon that will expire sson! Sinceeely, Mattisse
User:Shushruth's edit changes to the lead are dead on. He is right. Now I am very clear what needs to be done. My problem is that I do not know words like rishi -- you can come up with that type of thing! (I think he is a medical doctor from Bengalore and expects a professional article. We can do that.) Sincerely, Mattisse 15:14, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
By Lanka do you mean Sri Lanka? The link Lanka leads to a mythical place. Sincerely, Mattisse 18:20, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I am glad Shushruth has volunteered to do it. He won't have to do the duplication that has been so exhausting for me. That is much better. He will just clean it up and that will be that. I have been in an impossible possition and am now hopelessly confused, so this is definately the solution. When I see something wrong, I don't know anymore whether I have changed it before and you reversed it or whether it is wrong and I didn't change it! Sincerely, Mattisse 02:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Do you think there is any such thing? Or are their just a myriad of opions? Not that I am minimisimg the importance of sourcing. Being the acacemic type, that was my training. But truth is becoming ephemeral. As people we have myths that we call history. I am very bitter this evening, having had a particularly bad day. I think the only person I will trust to communicate with on these talk pages is you. Sincerely, Mattisse 03:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I have been severely distracted and turned upside down by my "case" in the last day or two. I need to thing of something else. Is there something you would like me to do (something that does not involve strikouts, as that is too exhausting a type of work for me today)? Sincerely, Mattisse 17:36, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I am waiting for your paper maps. Please look at changes I addedin Leadin section in Vijayanagara Empire and believe you like them. If you do, I could do similar slimmings on other paragraphs. mlpkr 18:08, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Do you have any preferences as to which? As to the language, I don't know either one. Mattisse 18:47, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Name some. I found out only in creating the last one that he was Sanskrit. The one before I think was Kannada. Those literature articles are very hard for me to figure out. Sincerely, Mattisse 21:00, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
P.S. It's just been suggested in Arbitration that I am not one person, but a group of mentally-ill incarcerated inmates!
On the literature issue, maybe I'll wait until there is another area. To try to compile a list of who seems like a scholar or whatever would be taking huge stabes in the dark. And even if I had a list, my usual methods of figuring things out don't work on the those literature articles. Too many completely unfamiliar terms, duplicate names, links that go to totally unrelated articles, etc. and no way of disintanging it for me. Sincerely, Mattisse 00:19, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I have gone through the sources that Sarvabhaum has provided and what was posted on my talk. These are my findings:
I'm afraid I don't have any more time to mediate this dispute. Thanks! =Nichalp «Talk»= 19:11, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I did do a stub for Nagavarma I. But I could find almost zero information about him. I will try Nagavarma II. But I think the same thing will happen because doing a search on one gets both of them. Then there are more famous and recent people with the same name, so all the information pertains to them. I only have the internet -- no books or any other source. Sincerely, Mattisse 00:56, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I did Nagavarma II but the second article on Google was almost word for word from Wikipedia (yours). I'll try Talakad. -- Mattisse 01:51, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
This appears to be the most impressive temple in this town with over 30 others. The town is a very interesting, neglected place. It sounds wonderful. Should the article about the temple be here? -- Mattisse 03:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
(quote from another article) The Vaidyeshsara temple along with four others - Arkeshwara, Vasukishwara or Pataleshwara, Saikateshwara or Maraleshwara and Mallikarjuna constitute the Panchalingams here. These five Lingams are said to represent the five faces of Shiva.
How do you want to handle the temple issue here?-- Mattisse 03:19, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
It would be refreshing to focus on the place as a whole -- the history and atmosphere. Temple after temple gets to be a bit much (to me) and the localities of India get lost in it all. -- Mattisse 03:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Jai Hind Jai Maharashtra —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sarvabhaum ( talk • contribs) 08:29, 24 January 2007 (UTC).
and yes, plz learn some manners!!
Well, the barnstar was a real surprise. Thanks a lot. What amused me was the addendum!(support etc :) ). Anyway, yes I too wish there were more people interested in Indian stuffs. In fact, participation in quality improvement drives of India-related articles (FAC, Collaboration of the Week, GAC etc) has, unfortunately, decreased of late. Bye the way, are you aware of Portal:India/Quiz? You can be there and enjoy. Regards.-- Dwaipayan ( talk) 15:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Another day. My foot is swollen & elevated and I have to keep changing hands for the computer mouse. I hope we both have a good day today. I will do what I can for you to cheer myself up! Sincerely, Mattisse 15:23, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Quick check shows zero info on him. Do you know where some sources are that are available to me? I don't know anything about him except his name. Sincerely, Mattisse 20:30, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Search at that site brings up nothing for him or his work. Sincerely, Mattisse 20:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
This very minute someone is trying to change my email address and password. Wikipedia notified me of that. Also, a person made some changes to some pages to make me look like a sockpuppet. Someone notified me of that too. Just now someone vandalised my user page.
A person attacked me yesterday and was blocked for that (for a short time). But an Advocate for another user in the Arbitration asked that person (the one now blocked) to email him about me. I'm alittle upset. Give me a few moments to calm down. -- Mattisse 23:28, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Someone keeps trying to change it. I just got another message from Wikipedia about that. But it works. I get emails still. I'm trying to hang tough like you have with the harassing abuse you so politely handle. I'm putting all my over reactions in perspective and waiting for my first ever India book. Sincerely, Mattisse 02:58, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Your FA article just got an important endorsement (bucket of banana) or whatever his name is. It will happen for sure! -- Mattisse 03:06, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Congrats! You got the top guy's stamp of approval. -- Mattisse 16:47, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
It still has a ways to go? How so? What does it need? Do you want me to do something (that I am capable of doing)? -- Mattisse 22:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
An editor has listed some. Severl of those I have wondered about myself -- it will be a better article when the wording problems are addressed. So that's good, not discouraging that the editor bothered to scrutinizine the article on that level. He wants clarity and that helps us think things through more! -- Mattisse 11:27, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
This is a relief. I think it is beautiful. -- Mattisse 14:35, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
When it is describing carving & then painting over with plaster to smoothe the flaking granite, this is what is meant. Common yes, and also representative and beautiful. Pictures are good when they explain something the text cannot. It seems like that was the problem with the editor's comment. He could not visualise what was meant. I changed the sentence about the commanders -- hope it is o.k.
Also, I found a link for camlet. It should take care of that problem. I probably will continue to pester you with photos as there so many lovely ones. (Just indulge me in this -- I'm not pressuring you to use them!) -- Mattisse 15:05, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
They should be used -- especially the ones that show the fine detail. (Do you have ones that illustrate the plaster and painting over the carving, as described in the article (closer to the "picture" concept? -- Mattisse 16:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I have started creating page for Chiefton kings in Andhra Pradesh during the same time of Western Chalukyas. You could use that and also extend any information you have. mlpkr 20:01, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry you had to cover my tracks. Seems like it is going well though. I wish I were more helpful. Sincerely, -- Mattisse 21:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, I have been wondering why they let you by with those before because they really were not up to quality despite all the work. THoughts going through my head;
These are my honest thoughts. I will help you in any way I can and hope you do not resent my honesty. Your article can be fixed but it will take work. (Many times I have had to rewrite one of my own articles -- so I know the feeling -- but in the end the honessty of these editors will help your writing immensely.) The citations are a big problem. They need work and they interfere too much with the copy edit of the article. Again, I am trying to be honest here and hope you accept it in the spirit I am offering it. Sincerely, Mattisse
I'm not quite done With the references, but I will probably support once I am. Circeus 00:29, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Chitradurga Fort - just a start. Couldn't find a photo on the commons but there some great ones on the internet. -- Mattisse 02:14, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
Thank you for the mail. I added the Aravidu kings’ content based from the book Nilakanta Shastri’s book “A History of South India”, with additional references from the two other books mentioned in those pages, which cover the history of Madurai and Tanjore Nayaks.Their reign and politics with the Southern Nayak rulers also caused greater re-configuration of life and society in Tamil Nadu starting from 17th century.
Also it is a surprise that they were able to hold on to at least 1/3rd of their Domains for well over another 100 years, inspite of numerous civil wars, rebellious and murderous kins, non-stop invasions from the Deccan Sultans, and unco-operative Nayaks for Madurai and Gingee. Their main villains responsible for their final misery would be none other than the middle kings of Madurai Nayaks (and to a lesser degree the Nayaks of Gingee), whose follies and skulduggery in supporting the Deccan Sultans to put off the Aravidu Kings. The Aravidu line still had strong support from the Tanjore and Mysore kings, and the Mysore kings even avenged the Madurai Nayaks by frequently raiding into their territory and finally capturing the districts of Salem and Coimbatore in the later part on 17th century.
And one of India’s earliest freedom struggles, called ( Polygar Wars) was also fought by the Polygars of Vijaynagar line (appointed by Madurai Kings) in Tamil Nadu, of whom Puli Devar and Veerapandiya Kattabomman are honoured by the State government, with the later having State Transport Buses named after in Tirunelveli Districts and the INS Kattabomman naval centre n Tuticorin.
The magnificent Vellore Fort was used as a major base or second capital by the Aravidu line of Vijayanagara Kings. However the people in (Tamil Nadu) general do not know much about the early rulers of Vellore Fort except the Muslim Occupation and imprisonment of Tipu Sultan family.
The Battle of Toppur is considered to be one of the biggest battles ever to take place in South India, and it was Venkata III and Sriranga III, who granted charter to the English to set up the present day city of Chennai (or Madras), where Chennai is named after one Chennapa Nayak, a commander under one of the Vijayanagara kings.
One more interesting information which is totally obscure to us (Indians) or south Indians in particular is that Sri Lanka’s last ruling monarch/Kingdom of Kandy (1739-1815), (called Nayaks of Kandy) and four of his predecessors were from the Madurai Nayaks royal family. How they became rulers of Kandy would be very interesting if you go through their wiki page and links. The last King of Kandy was finally brought captive to Vellore Fort (in 1815 by the British) along with his royal family (i.e. after Tipu Sultan’s sons were shifted to Calcutta) and lived here till his last days. The Colonial government of Sri Lanka took care of their daily expenses.
And watch out in the movie Guru, one of the song sequences of Abishek and Aishwariya Rai is shot in the Thirumalai Nayak Palace of Madurai Nayaks. -- Southernstar 11:25, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Dinesh, Let me be the first one to congratulate you on the occasion of Vijayanagara Empire article getting FA status! Very well done and wish you more and more success in your future FA drive. Best Wishes, - KNM Talk 06:37, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
That is wonderful and you deserve it. I am leaving Wikipedia so this is my last message. I'm glad it is on a happy note for you. Sincerely, -- Mattisse 06:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I did do some on Talakad and was going to do more. But I cannot deal with the hurtfulness of Wikipedia any longer. -- Mattisse 06:52, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Congratulations again Dinesh. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 00:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
(I started reorganising some, so I am running it by you first -- rough draft)
Agriculture was the empire's main source of income as the majority of the people lived in villages and worked as farmers. The staple crops were rice, pulses, and cotton in the dry areas and sugercane in areas with sufficient rainfall. Areca and Betel were the chief cash crops. Chalukya records specifically mention black soil and red soil lands in addition to wetland, dryland and wasteland in determining taxation rates. [2] The burden of tilling the land fell upon the landless labourers whose living conditions must have been tolerable as records do not mention revolts by the landless against wealthy landlords. While discontent among the poor cannot be discounted, the normal practice of disgruntled peasants was to migrate in large numbers out of the jurisdiction of the ruler mistreating them, causing him revenue loss. [3]
Rich traders also contributed significantly to the kings treasury through the system of taxing imports and exports. Merchants organised themselves into powerful guilds that transcended political divisions so their operations were largely unaffected by wars and revolutions. Their only source of trouble was briganding when their caravans travelled to distant lands. Prominant names of merchant guilds were the Mannigramam, Nanadesis and Ainnurruvar. Guilds of local merchants were called nagaram, while the Nanadesis were the traders from neighbouring kingdoms who perhaps mixed business with pleasure. The wealthiest and most influential were the self styled Ainnurruvar also known as the 500 Svamis of Ayyavolepura (present day Aihole). [4] They were the most celebrated of all South Indian merchant guilds, conducting extensive overseas and long distance land trade which contrbuted significantly to the overall foreign trade of the empire. They fiercely protected their trade obligations (Vira Bananjudharma or law of the noble merchants) and often recorded their achievements in inscriptions called Prasasti. Five hundred such Prasasti, with their own flag and the bull as their emblem, attests to their pride in their business. They were the followers of Vaishnava, Shaiva and Jain faith and claimed descent from Vasudeva, Mulabhadra and Khandali.
Sincerely, Mattisse 19:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Almost all arts and crafts were organised into guilds and work was done on a corporate basis, as records do not mention individual artists, sculptors and craftsman. The Hoysala ruled regions were an exception, as here individual sculptors etched their names below their creations. [5]
{I removed this from the second para of Ecomony -- in my last post -- as there was no mention of how this related economically to the empire.) -- Mattisse 20:05, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I put all the material about traders together. I haven't tackled the last paragraph yet. Briganding -- the closest I could find was "outlaw" -- though there must be another, better word. Pirates would be good for sea trade. Is there an equivalent word for land? Mongel hordes sort of thing? Sincerely, Mattisse 22:41, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Good idea but it redirects back to Outlaw. This is when I start to get annoyed at Wikipedia! -- Mattisse 22:49, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
It will have to do, I guess, but the article mostly talks about English common law etc. and only adds outlaws from other nationalities (there is a Tamil one) when their behavior falls within a similar concept. (This is an example of how I get stuck on my perfectionism.) -- Mattisse 22:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I just created Manigramam to try to take care of some of those words the editors will ask about. I noticed someone stuck Tamil people in it. Is that correct? Sincerely, Mattisse 00:54, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I've STRIKED words that I could not find anything remotely relevant. I've left many words for various officals that I think you need either to remove or provide a definition in parentheses. Sincerely, Mattisse 02:45, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I created an article - Ainnurruvar, a merchants guild. (I'm sure you will see many errors!) They have a web site: http://www.500.org.in/aboutus.html
(quote from the site)
"Ainnurruvar moved from Poompuhar (for some reasons) and settled around the villages on the banks of river Noyyal. Ainnurruvar were itinerant and [p]oor merchants. "
Maybe they are talking about a different period. Sincerely, Mattisse 18:39, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I realised I was getting into castes which is probably controversial. But that is what was going on, from what I can figure out. There were castes that fulfilled the functions as described in your article. But it's probably like religion -- best avoided as much as possible. Sincerely, Mattisse 19:08, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Nagarattar - another hokey merchant guild article I created. Maybe you can make it better! Sincerely, Mattisse 02:51, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Nanadesis - another one. Same deal. Maybe you can straighten it out. Thanks! -- Mattisse 03:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Prabhu - maybe you could evaluate. Thanks! (There is another also I am hunting up to send to you.) Sincerely, -- Mattisse 03:53, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, it is very interesting when I think back over the empire/dynasty articles and the frequent mention of religious tolerance over the centuries. India's incredible energy comes, I believe, from such a wealth of cultural intermingling.
On the Economy section, the article says agriculture was the main source of the dynasty's income/revenue but this was both directly taxed and indirectly taxed through the flourishing trade -- the merchant associations which seem entrepreneurial.
When you say traded items were sold in bulk or hawked on the street, do you mean in India, in foreign countries, or both?
Also, there was intra-India trading also with other kingdoms, dynasties and nearby countries/empires. How did traders move the mercandise on land? By elephant or what? (Probably sounds like a stupid question but I am trying to imagine the robbery of caravans.)
Sincerely, Mattisse 16:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Have you ever thought of writing an article on Indian columms? The column article here totally leaves out anything but classical columns, unless you can hook an individual aritlce on the end. (I would do it if I knew anything about Indian columns.) None of the architecture articles consider the architecture of India! Sincerely, Mattisse 03:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Dinesh, Apologies for the delayed reply. Thanks for your suggestion. My problem is that time is not on my side, hence slow work and also I need to procure some more books on these subjects. Yes I would like to make the Madurai Nayak and Tanjore Nayak articles a featured article, and your suggestions will surely be of great help. And I will also keep in touch if in case I need any articles.
Regarding the Photos, I think I can approach someone who has posted in Flickr, for copyright permission or else I have to go in person to take some snaps in Tanjore, Madurai, Vellore and Chandragiri. And watch out in future for the pages on Nayaks, their administration, and Aravidu dynasty and I am also working on Sivaganga Kingdom and Tanjore Marathas (the last two do not have a Wiki page yet) and may be I will also request someone to start a fresh page on Ramnad and Pudukottah Kingdoms.
One basic problem is that in Tamil Nadu everyone is intrested only in Sangam age,Cholas,Pandya and Pallavas,all of who met their end somewhere in 13th century.from there everyone jumps directly into Veerapandiya Kattabomman era (late 18th Century).May be these wiki pages should prompt more people to take intrest in 16th to 19th century.
Southernstar 15:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC) -- Southernstar 15:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Sorry. I cannot think of any appropriate box for the article. However, I have asked the question in a more appropriate place. Please see there. Regards.-- Dwaipayan ( talk) 16:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't think there is a standard one. I'll look and see what other countries have done, but India always seems to be a special case. We could make one. -- Mattisse 17:23, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Was there any or is this article strictly on temples? -- Mattisse 17:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Look at the bottom of Indian architecture. There is an infobox there for countries. Maybe something like that but listing empires/kingdoms/dynasties? -- Mattisse 17:44, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't that be under Basic Elements? -- Mattisse 18:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I did that because the photos were hanging in space below. It can be fixed by either reverting that section, or (no big deal) enlarging the photo sizes by 70px each. I'll do it if you like. Sincerely, -- Mattisse 02:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
The History of Architecture template looks good. And they rate the article as "Top" priority. That's great. That will get India's foot in the architectural door.
My book (mailed from India!) refers to "the multiple creeds of Saivism, Vaisnavism, Saktism, late Mahayana and formative Jajarayana" at one point, and at another to "non-Buddhist and Brahmanical" at another. It mentions Brahmanism a lot. And it says "before the exit of Buddhism" - so I guess Buddhism exited.
The guy who wrote the Stepwell article has some book references. Sincerely -- Mattisse 15:43, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
What is the word for this? I finally used the word frieze - but just now looking it up on Google, it's already called a frieze because some of the mirrors have picked it up from the article. Sincerely, -- Mattisse 22:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Suggestions:
Reason: These are very short sections
Maybe Research notes could be made into a History section that would be the first section in the article. Maybe Architects could be woven into that.
There is a lot of repetition in the article. Combining sections would be a way of tightening it. Just a suggesion! Sincerely, -- Mattisse 23:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I was looking at the Hoysalas article that received FA and the format etc. is completely opposite from the one we just did, based on editorial advise. I am completely stymied. I tried to make it more "accessible today". I feel like it has great potential but the organisation is all off. Maybe I'll informally ask Tony1? Would that be O.K? Who is the organisational expert? I read through everything on FA today, and they manage to weasel out of making any definitive statements other than "prose should be great, even brilliant" etc. Sign me, Confused! (-- Mattisse 00:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC))
I looked at lots of architecture articles today and there is no clear format. Many of them are a mess, besides. Plus, now that i have my one India book (with three more on the way) I'm beginning to rethink my India attitude regarding these articles. Since the architectural elements are interwoven with their functional existence {the circumambulation etc.) I'm thinking the purpose needs more explanation. Not overly religious, but just to learn know the ways that function and structure were intergrated is revealing. -- Mattisse 00:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, my point of view is that Jagati is almost explained in Temple complex and don't pillars mostly have to do with mantapas? (Maybe I am wrong here.) Why don't you save a copy on a user page, and lets try your idea. For me, at least, things only become clear by trying. So I'm game. It gets us thinking creatively about the article and that can only be good. -- Mattisse 00:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree! A real challenge. But i think we can put it off and make this architectural article come alive as few do. We have to think out of the box and focus on what we want to communicate clearly. (And I think few others can help at this point -- unless we go by formula.) Sincerely, -- Mattisse 01:00, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, maybe we need to take a deep breath. Often things suddenly become clear at the least expected time. Sincerely, -- Mattisse 01:05, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
As far as providing basic information to the reader, I really doubt we can get more basic and convey the meaning.
Maybe to you. But I have never even been to India. What I have learned recently has opened my eyes. I copy edited satisfacorily many Indian articles without any real understanding because it is not that necessary to "get it" to copy edit. But now my goal is to make India understandanble to the world. Plus, I think realistic articles about Indian culture will (hopefully) counterpoint the incessant arguments over religion by people who have no interest in India or the history of India's culture. (That is what got me into this whole Arbitration thing that still continues!) Well, I was a University of California at Berkleley graduate -- insane idealism remains. Sincerely, -- Mattisse 01:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Somehow I think we have each proven to be far too obsessive for that! I cannot think clarity and accessiblilty are incompatible with quality. My professional specialty was conveyig totally incomprehensible concepts to people (judges and such) who had to get my point nonetheless and who were sophisticated enough to require logic and evidence. It can be done without dumbing down, I believe. But be honest with me when you thing I aam doing that. If you feel free to express your objections, which so far you seem to have had no problem doing, then we can proceed. Sincerely, -- Mattisse 01:54, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
In the Tamil book Kongudesa Rajakkal (the kings of kongu(ganga) nadu),the 16th cent Jain author,Valasundara Kavirayar has mentioned Kongani(again called Kongani(Kongu+ani)-ruler of Kongans) as being coronated in Vijayaskandapuram or modernday Kangeyam(again Gangeyam or the seat of Gangas) in Erode dist of Tamilnadu.The language as Wilkins states of the southern part of the Mysore state is called Gangee, a dialect which is also called Kongu Tamil or modern Coimbatore Tamil.The dominant (upto 70%) of the population are the Kongu Vellala Gounders whose historicval name has been Gangakulam.In the Kirtararjuneeya,Durvinita is referred as king of Kongani.Today (please go to wikipedia section Kangeyam bull),the breeds of bulls from Kangeyam are referred as Kanganad bulls (Tamilised Ganganad).So we can assume that these kings were from the ruling Vokkaliga-Vellala farmer caste overlapping the bifurcation of Kannada and Tamil.I have various other references from authors like Arokiasamy on this topic. Pon Dheepankar K, Delhi UNiversity. (native:Erode dist,Tamilnadu) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PONDHEEPANKAR ( talk • contribs) 11:57, 8 February 2007 (UTC).
thank you dinesh on editing your work.well done —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PONDHEEPANKAR ( talk • contribs) 18:17, 8 February 2007 (UTC).
By the time I tried to revert it, it had already bee done. Very sorry! -- Mattisse 05:44, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Got freaked out for a while because a vandal targeted the page because of me (I checked his User Contributions and they were all aimed at articles I had worked on) but I managed to fix what he did without having to reverse my edits. And got him blocked by Fred Bower (not sure what good blocking does thought, as they just show up again in a different persona). Anyway, I feel better for the time being. Sincerely, Mattisse 05:28, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Amazing! Mattisse 22:15, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I created that article Mamta Sagar but no one pays attention to it and they wouldn't let me put links to it where she lives! Mattisse 17:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Isn't poetry a subset of literature -- literature being the the whole body of written works, while there are genres or subsets such as poettry, novels, playwriting, historical works, tracts on mathmatics etc.? -- Mattisse 20:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
If Brahmins were viewed as detached from wealth and power, then why were they lured to relocate by gifts of land and homes? Sincerely, Mattisse 23:36, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the Barnstar. Getting it from a seasoned editor like you makes it all the more special. -- Naveen ( talk) 03:46, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Can you help out on Gopalakrishna Adiga ? Baka man 18:10, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello Dineshkannambadi,
You may recall my attempt to broker a solution to the Telugu V Kannada origin debate on the Vijayanagara page. I noticed that the article recently received FA status, in no small part do to you I imagine. Nevertheless, I am contacting with the intent of requesting your assistance regarding the Indo Greek Article, and a number of other India articles from that period of history. One of the users has continually attempted to aggrandize Greek territory and influence on the subcontinent, contrary to historical evidence. He latches on to questioned interpretation and speculation to give a neo colonial version of what might have occurred.
Most unfortunately, he has recently embraced a map that extends all the way into the deccan. I wish to solicit your support for our cause because my impression is that you have been rationally approaching all historical issues and because you have significant knowledge in the area. We are not seeking some ultranationalist map or account here, but merely an objective recounting of the history as we have it. Please let me know what you think. Your support would very much be appreciated.
Best Regards,
Devanampriya 06:44, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I find Wikipedia such a negative experience, such a nasty atmosphere, that I can barely make myself come here any more. I value you a great deal and want to help you out, so I will try and help you as you want. I don't want to let you down. Sincerely, Mattisse 22:22, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Sorry! The article seems very difficult to me! I got tired trying to read it. It will need 5 to 7 days for me to read it. So I may wait for others' comments in FAC. Regards.-- Dwaipayan ( talk) 10:43, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I =Nichalp «Talk»=, award you this medal for getting South Indian empires on the featured chart. May you feature many more empires. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:05, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
What articles do you want me to work on first? Could you list the priorities? Thanks! Sincerely, Mattisse 14:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)