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It afects if you take it out because the variable, ground_distance: the max height of an obstacle the motorcycle can cope, is a variable that wikipedia in english does not have. The problem with that variable in the programing code was already solved, so to not affect any page. Please let wikipedia expand and evolve in a positive way :D
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I've responded to you on my talk page cherkash ( talk) 21:31, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I've started a page on the Ariel Ace, which you may care to peruse. Arrivisto ( talk) 10:59, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi. Please could you explain the reason for this edit [2] and the associated comment. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.4.92.50 ( talk) 11:04, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi Dennis. Just a quick note to explain why I've changed "power" to "rear wheel power" in the spec sheet. In Europe, there's a license category breakpoint at 70kW net engine power. Many who? riders are reading the Wiki page and exclaiming "Huzzah, the early bikes are under 70kW," when that's the measured figure, not the calculated or manufacturer claimed crank power that (sadly but actually) matters for licensing purposes. I'd appreciate it if we could try and make this clear at a glance - which is all that some readers will take - without getting too (as you fairly said) hectoring about it. Rogerborg ( talk) 11:33, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Dennis, it is unclear to me as to why you said it appears to be not constructive. I deleted the power figure as it was wrong. I cannot check the source directly as it appears to be from a book or magazine. However, it was incorrect.
That power figure contained the term "bhp" -- which stands for brake horse power, this has a specific meaning; the power measured at the output shaft of a motor or engine. A lot of people accidentally mistake brake horse power to mean the power at the brakes of a vehicle or the wheel. However, misunderstanding and ignorance doesn't mean it should be encouraged in encyclopaedic articles. Shortly put, that 101.53bhp which was initially listed is actually the horsepower developed at the rear wheel of the motorcycle, not at the engine. In otherwords, "rwhp", not "bhp". I test edited that abbreviation, but the in-built convert function didn't understand rwhp and gave an error.
This kind of inconsistency between bhp and the general imperial symbol for automomtive power (hp) is prevalent throughout a lot of the motorcycle and car technical datasheets in Wikipedia as some editors don't seem to be aware of the difference.
There are plenty of dynamo-meter readings of motorcycle power outputs at the wheel which is consistent with the 101.53 hp figure, it is however at the rear wheel, not the crank. These can be found on Google images either through individuals having tested their power outputs at workshops or from various magazines. Unfortunately even some of the more reputed sources mix up bhp and rwhp.
What I suggest is either having all the different years from 2003 onwards with a power figure that is consistent with each other, or have none at all.
Edit: It appears you have another user you've corrected, you've also undid my edit claiming it's "utter nonsense":
/info/en/?search=Horsepower#Brake_horsepower
http://www.carthrottle.com/post/the-difference-between-bhp-and-whp-explained/
Here are some more examples:
Note, that's a dyno reading, at the rear wheel. It's roughly 105hp, that's more or less consistent with 101.53hp measured at another dyno as dyno's can vary in their measurement accuracy from location to location and climate.
Another with a slight variation
http://photoshare.shaw.ca/image/c/e/a/95418/0704-0.jpg
The power at the engine is different, that would be bhp and it is always higher. For the CBR600RR it is in the 115bhp - 119bhp range, depending on the year and where it was dyno'd.
Example, a correct use of the term "bhp":
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/motoring/road-tests/honda-cbr600rr-428043.html
It appears from a test edit I just did, that the convert function accepts "whp", I assume that this is the correct designation for rear-wheel horsepower, please confirm.
Veritas Blue ( talk) 15:30, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
Also, over at Talk:Honda CBR600RR (not here), can you explain where you got the idea that the convert template doesn't work for rwhp? -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 16:48, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
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Val Page & WP: PEACOCK: Fair enough, up to a point: I had used "notable" to replace another editor's words: "Described as Britain's greatest motorcycle designer ...."; but perhaps even "notable" is puffery! Arrivisto ( talk) 19:28, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Hello Dennis Bratland,
Noting your recent edits on the FS1E page, I am slightly confused by your actions. Your edit summary says remove unsourced performance claims whereas all that has actually been removed is the fuel tank capacity and the dry weight. All other dimensions sourced from the same site have been left in place, albeit with minor re-formatting. As for motorbikespecs, I have found when comparing their data with other sources I have available (manuals etc.) that it has been reliable and accurate; so I suppose it is just a matter of personal opinion (POV). I wouldn’t necessarily take their info. as wholly accurate when it comes to actual performance etc. for various reasons. With regard to italics in respect of capacity I was advised that their use in infoboxes was incorrect but understand the need in respect of “generic” capacities. Thanks. Regards, Eagleash ( talk) 04:46, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Cites like bikez.com and motorcyclespecs.co.za are even worse, because at least with motorbikespecs you know it's all crowdsourced. With bikez.com, you have no idea what is user submitted and what comes from good souces. I think most of it is copy-pasted by bots, in violation of copyright, typical of scraper sites. motorcyclespecs.co.za is just some website run by a guy named Tony. Who is Tony? Where did he get his data? Nobody knows. Suzukicycles.org is the same thing. Some guy's personal website, Jarmo Haapamäki. Who is Jarmo? Is he a reliable journalist? Who knows? The point of Wikipedia's citation policy is to give readers confidence that somebody has found this information from a good source. Any reader can google "bike specs" and will easily find bikez.com or motorcyclespecs.co.za or motorbikespecs.net or .motorcyclespecifications.info and find a table of numbers which may or may not be trustworthy. If you've cited or linked to any of these sites in the past, please remove the links. Wikipedia cannot vouch for these sites and so we shouldn't be adding to their credibility. The minimum standards for WP:RS don't gurantee "truth" but they set the bar somewhere, and these websites fall below that bar.
You say you have printed manuals for these bikes. Please remember that sources are not required to be online. If you have a reputable published book or manual, you can cited it, per Citing sources. The requirement is verifiability, which means somebody else could find the same published book and check your work. If they have to go to ta library or puchase a printed book, that's fine. Please read Offline sources -- it's a very important essay. So instead of citing unreliable Wikis, crowdsourced sites, scraper sites, or personal websites, cite your printed books. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 20:04, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for taking the time to respond comprehensively. I'm always trying to get more info., to do the right thing!! I agree entirely that citing books is far better and would be my first choice for references; in fact I have some on reserve at the library for articles I wish to improve if possible, (I don't have any for these machines) & I have always used what books I have to reference articles I've created...mainly about football (round-ball game). In the meantime I have removed a couple of links from articles as you suggest. Maybe I should stick to football and motor racing which I have more knowledge (& info.) about as my edits seem well received in those subjects! Thanks. Regards, Eagleash ( talk) 04:42, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you are talking about. I've made a few very minor changes to the article choppers, mostly I have been trying to add sources, as the article is flagged for not having sources. I've been working on the section of the article which is flagged for not having sources, about the old school movement.
I also removed what was essentially an ad for an individual building in Colorado, that had been spammed into the article. Asssuming you are not that person it's hard for me to believe that I did anything remotely objectionable to this article.
Perhaps you could be more specific.
I have been editiing on Wikipedia for a long time. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZeroXero ( talk • contribs) 03:16, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
The best place to discuss this is at Talk:Chopper (motorcycle) so that the other editors watching the article know what's going on. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 03:49, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
If you want to discuss changes, start a discussion but better still, go find some references.
Unfortunately, doing things the way you have done, instead of just starting discussion, would make anyone think they are dealing with an unreasonable person who makes false summaries, and is trying to control an article, by running around trying to engage other people to do his dirty work.
That it is some kind of power game for you.
There were other improvements you are also removing. -- Salty Batter ( talk) 13:22, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi Dennis, Regarding your comment on our link being promotional /info/en/?search=Husqvarna_Group - One of our competitors does the same thing on their wiki page. /info/en/?search=Stihl The second external link goes to their USA website. Why are they allowed to link to their country specific website and we are not? -Husqvarna USA
Try addressing the actual comment instead of playing games to push your point of view..
That reference is merely a one man blog, no editorial, run as an advert for a pay television service marketing on classic films.
Consequently it is not acceptable.
Please discuss. -- Salty Batter ( talk) 01:23, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
It strikes me that what you really mean by "consensus" is what you think and reflects as much as you understand.
Rather than just discussing with me, and my criticism of you would be that you do not appear to understand the point I am making about the use of language, it seems the first thing you did was run off to try and stir up some kind of hornet nest and draw others into support your point of view or agenda.
I have voiced my concerns about your judgement that Idiots' Guides are excellent references. They are, of course, intended as idiot guides and are humorous not deep. I have a copy and as entertaining as it is, it is widely inaccurate.
Please do not do what you did again dumbing down the article by removing the two academic references regarding the portrayal of masculine values in 1950s America, not use it to push your gang agenda. It is inaccurate and misleading.
Thank you. -- Salty Batter ( talk) 18:31, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
Sarcasm aside, I don't think your accusation passes Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is that your arguments have failed because you lack the sources to justify them. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 20:09, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
Dennis, you appear to be POV pushing on numerous topics relating to motorcycle clubs.
Inaccurate overuse of the pejorative word gang is simply bad writing, damaging to the credibility of individual topics as well as the Wikipedia on the whole. What is your beef about this based on? If BRMC stands for Black Rebel Motorcycle Club and Jackals MC for Jackals Motorcycle Club, what is the problem with referring to them as that so reader know what is being referred to?
I appreciate that you are obviously just trying to provoke me, presumably to report me somewhere else, but let's put that aside for a minute. You seem to be the one making this personally and disrupting the Wikipedia to make your point. I am trying to improve it. -- Salty Batter ( talk) 22:46, 28 January 2015 (UTC)-- Salty Batter ( talk) 22:46, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
This club/gang nonsense is like saying we can't call Darth Vader evil because it's unfair to amputees. Like saying we can't say anything bad about Voldemort because it would offend herpetologists. Voldemort and Darth Vader are fictional.
The Wild One and Beyond the Law are fiction. They depict Hollywood biker gangs. Not real biker gangs, or clubs as you insist. Our sources all call these fictional organizations "gangs". Even your sources call them gangs. Marteau ( talk · contribs) and Clarityfiend ( talk · contribs) already explained to you that what you're doing is ludicrous, like pretending The Cheyenne Social Club is a social club. This is the same kind of nonsense that you were blocked for before, refusing to stop fighting over what to call a straight-twin engine. Or your past fight over terminology for Great Britain. You're going to be blocked again, for the same disruptive behavior, and for block evasion.
Good day, sir. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 23:31, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi Dennis, I tried adding a section for our beginning motorcycle rider club. Once I saw it come up red I quickly realized that I had no idea what I was doing so I deleted the edit. This all seems to be way over my head right now, but I guess everyone starts out like that. Thanks for contacting me, and perhaps you can point me to a document or article that explains Wikipedia article writing for the user who doesn't even understand how to use the tags. So new in fact that just getting my name to appear at the end of this post seems like an accomplishment. PeterPoggi ( talk) 05:15, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
What if you start smaller and take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Motorcycling/to do. There's a long list of articles needing some work. Pick one that interests you, where you can get your hands on quality source material, online or offline. Use the article talk page to ask questions, or go to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorcycling and ask. There's lots of pages you can read to get started, such as Wikipedia:Tutorial or Help:Getting started.
You can take it slow, or dive right in. Just remember if you dive in, you can see your edits reverted, and that is frustrating at first. That's a good time to stop and ask what's going on. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 05:51, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Good evening sir,
I was looking for a source that was needed to indicate that the Space Needle is a prominent landmark in the game, Infamous Second Son and to a lesser extent, its dlc, First Light. The source I included was a how-to on the mission that heavily involves the space needle. If that is not good enough, there are plenty of youtube videos with independent players playing the game and that mission pops up. Would I be able to use that? Osh33m ( talk) 04:32, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
It sounds like you're telling me the Space Needle was important in the game, so that information belongs in the article about the game. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 04:40, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
Why did you revert my edit on the List of common misconceptions? All that I did was create a link to a page within Wikipedia that gives more information about that particular misconception. I'm sure that that particular page is a popular target for vandalism, but I believe that my edit was both minimal and constructive.
Sorry for posting this on your user talk page, by the way, but I wasn't sure what would be a better place for it.
Thanks, Bob the ducq ( talk) 22:38, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Wait, what, I'm a gangster? Can I dub us The Bad Wikipedians M.C.? Hooee, I can already feel the seductive rush of power seeping through my veins, look out world. It's going to be RSN vs Bad Wikipedians, switchblades in an alley at midnight. Is that how gangs settle things? — Brianhe ( talk) 03:20, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your constant patrolling - I must say I found that contribution you reverted amusing though. At least it was more intelligent than most. NealeFamily ( talk) 07:11, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
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