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I'd also like to add that I read your book when researching Synesthesia in 2006 for a Cognitive Science course, and was very impressed. --
Scarpy (
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00:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)reply
response (hopefully!)
Scarpy: I'm not sure how to reply, even after having checked the help page. This Wiki coding is alien to me. Glad you found me. What synesthesia publications did you find in 2006? If you haven't already gotten it, please do read "Wednesday is Indigo Blue: Discovering the Brain of Synesthesia." It covers everything and bring research up to date. I'm planning on doing a book page on it.
My apologies for not getting to this sooner. To answer the most recent question, Wikipedia has a policy on conflict of interest (see
WP:COI). The concern, in the case, being that if the topic of the article and it's author (or major contributor are the same) there is a greater change the article will not meet neutrality standards (see
WP:NPOV). I'm is true that other people have written their own Wikipedia pages in the past. There is a list of common arguments used on Wikipedia that veteran editors agree should be avoided (see, in this case,
WP:OTHERSTUFF) one is using a Wikipedia article that doesn't follow a guideline to justify not following that guideline in another article.
A softer approach, for people who are the topic of an article, is to make suggestions about changes to it on the article's talk page, and then to let other editors make the larger ones. Daniel Levitin, who you may know, has done this before
on his articles talk page (see the comments towards the end of the section). I will do what I can to help in this capacity, should you decide it's a good idea.
Now, that being said, contributing to your on article is not forbidden, even if it can become problematic. The important things are that it be backed with reliable sources (see
WP:RS), that it remain neutral and especially that it avoid things like overly flattering language (see
WP:PEACOCK). Having a glance at the current article, it seems to follow
WP:RS nicely. Also, if someone adds something to your article that is ibelous you can and should remove it, there are strictly enforced guidelines on articles categorized as "biographies of living persons" (see
WP:BLP).
I'm not sure what content was in the Wednesday is indigo blue article before it was deleted, but I'd be willing to work on it a bit to see about it's square with Wikipedia's guidelines.
The wiki-code I mostly learned by trial-and-error and from examples. There is a
tutorial, although I've never read it. But I can help if there's something you're trying to do and you need the code for it.
I did some research on synesthesia in 2005 and 2006 for couple cognitive science related classes. I originally wrote a literature review (I don't seem to have the paper anymore, but I did
review plenty of literature) for
CSCI 3702 and then later was working on a modeling project attempting to show a relationship between frequency of a letter associated with a color and the coloring of letters/words in grapheme-color synesthesia, but I never completed it (the idea is more or less
in slides eight and nine). --
Scarpy (
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05:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Many thanks for your help. I looked at Daniel Levitin's page, and that is obviously the way to go. Have you ve seen the heated discussion on
[1]? Is there anything I should do, or is it best to stay quiet and not stir the pot? In my attempts to adhere to the initial COI notice and editing out any peacock language and striving for neutrality, I only seem to have made things worse. I am mortified by my blunder. Yet as a scholar I am taken aback at the attacking tone that presumes malicious false statements and intent--a far cry from Wikipedia's stated "presumption of good faith" and
Don't bite the newcomer guidelines.
I put up the jacket flap copy for "Wednesday is Indigo Blue." I have 5 books with MIT Press, and they grant me the right to use all material for whatever purpose I wish, so I didn't think that was a CV (I'm slowly getting the hang of these Wiki abbreviations). When that kerfuffle arose, I deleted it and put a factual description in followed by science book stub code. I'll let others flesh it out. I can send you that jacket copy or some other description in my own words if you like.
I also have a quote and citation from Oliver Sacks as a verifiable third party if you'd like. Shall I put it here, or email you?
May 12, 2009--This Scientific American interview was just put up:
[2].
I wouldn't worry too much about it. Most editors I know had a rough start getting used to Wikipedia, it's kind of like a rite of passage. I share your frustration, though, with the frequency that editors seem to forget about
WP:AGF and
WP:BITE. But I also know I've been guilty of it a few times myself.
Content under a copyright can be used, but it has to be compatible with the
GNU Free Documentation License ("free" as in free speech, not as in free beer, as the saying goes) there are some exceptions where
non-free content is allowed, but one is that there is there is no possibility of getting a free equivalent.
I had a look at the links you posted in response to DGG. There is a lot that could be added to The Man Who Tasted Shapes with them. To write and article on Wednesday Is Indigo Blue we might need a few more.
Is the quote from Oliver Sacks the same one that appears
here?
Generally when I'm working on an article I make a "sandbox" version of it on my user talk page (e.g.
User:Scarpy/Wednesday Is Indigo Blue), and I can work on it from there (as can anyone collaborating on the article, for that matter). When it's more or less together (Wikipedia articles are never done), I just move it over to the main space. --
Scarpy (
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03:00, 14 May 2009 (UTC)reply
No, the Oliver Sacks quote you pointed to is from the MIT Website and i generally added as a jacket blurb. The quote I gave you is from Sack's book, "Musicophilia," where he discusses my work and calls it "pioneering." I thought it would be a good third-party verifiable source to mollify the critics.
The citation is: In
‘’Musicophilia’’ <refname=”Musicophilia”> {{citebook| first=Oliver| last=Sacks| Title=Musicophilia| publisher=
Alfred Knopf | location=New York| year=2007| pages=178–179| isbn=1–400–04081–0 </ref>
Oliver Sacks says, “In the 1980s, Richard Cytowic made the first neurophysiological studies of synesthetic subjects…. In 1989, he published a pioneering text, ‘’Synesthesia: A Union of the Senses,’’ <refname=”SpringerEd”>{{citebook| first=Richard |last= Cytowic | Title=
Synesthesia: A Union of the Senses (1st edition) | publisher=
Springer Verlag |location=New York & Berlin |year]1989 |pages=354 |isbn=0–378–96807–5</ref> and this was followed by a popular exploration of the subject in 1993,
‘‘The Man Who Tasted Shapes’’. Current techniques of functional brain imagine now give unequivocal evidence for the simultaneous activation or coactivation of two or more sensory areas of the cerebral cortex in synesthetes, just as Cytowic’s work predicted.”
I'm not sure how to cite the actual page numbers, pp 178-179. Is the |pages= tag for the total number of pages in a book, or for citing the actual pages on which references may be found?
I'm going to put some links up re "indigo Blue" on your sandbox page. This Wiki is actually fun--more so than Facebook--once you get past the initial shock of having cauldrons of boiling oil dumped on you.
Richard E. Cytowic (
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15:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)reply
It feels like it has much more lasting value than facebook does. From time to time I'll
check the page views on articles I've written or contributed too, and it makes me feel a bit like a Master of the Universe.
the pages attribute you'll want to do as the start and ending pages, unless your just citing one page, in which case you'll just want that number. If you're citing an entire book, you can leave it out.
Disregard. I found it, but on the regular "INdigo Blue" page rather than on any sandbox.
You say above that you've added the Oliver Sacks quote to the sandbox page. Which one? I can't find it on either your sandbox or mine,
user:Cytowic/sandbox. If it's all the same, I'd like to see it on my main
Cytowic page. Other general citations:
“Richard Cytowic’s book should be a rich source of information and inspiration for anyone working on, or thinking about, the brain…. This is a sophisticated book that requires an already informed reader to use established knowledge to challenge accepted concepts and think about new ones. It is eloquently written … an unconventional textbook requiring an unusual amount of reflection…. Once the more conventional primers had been assimilated, Cytowic’s contribution would be of enormous value to both neuroprofessional and general readerships.”
I've got the fair use rationale in the png version of the Indigo Blue cover.
PNG is preferable to
JPEG in this case, as it is displays text clearer in images, but more importantly because it's algorithm's patient is more compatible with Wikipedia's philosophy.
I didn't see that someone had recreated the
Wednesday is Indigo Blue article (after it's initial deletion) in the main space until after I started working a version in my sandbox (
User:Scarpy/Wednesday_Is_Indigo_Blue). So far it looks like the main space version has avoided
speedy deletion and
AfD. My tentative plan was to work on a version of it using the third-party sources available, move it over, and see how things go. If you want to work on improving the The Man Who Tasted Shapes article and create articles for the other books, I'll do what I can. What do you have in mind? --
Scarpy (
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00:28, 18 May 2009 (UTC)reply
I've posted new code on your sandbox (
User:Scarpy/Wednesday_Is_Indigo_Blue). Hopefully, I explained my edits/additions correctly in the Edit Summaries. Whenever you are ready, feel free to move it to the live page. I can send a note to others asking them to chime in, if you like.
See the suggestion section at the end of this page re the Scientific American source.
Setting up sandbox pages for the other textbooks is on my to-do list. Thanks so much for your help. Take a look an an article I edited,
Richard McCann. I uploaded File:McCann.png but couldn't get it to appear on the page. The Infobox currently has a jpg, since that's what I've been successful with so far.
Richard E. Cytowic (
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17:25, 19 May 2009 (UTC)reply
“Richard Cytowic’s book should be a rich source of information and inspiration for anyone working on, or thinking about, the brain…. This is a sophisticated book that requires an already informed reader to use established knowledge to challenge accepted concepts and think about new ones. It is eloquently written … an unconventional textbook requiring an unusual amount of reflection…. Once the more conventional primers had been assimilated, Cytowic’s contribution would be of enormous value to both neuroprofessional and general readerships.”
You should wait for others to write an article about subjects in which you are personally involved, as you did at
Richard Cytowic. This applies to articles about you, your achievements, your band, your business, your publications, your website, your relatives, and any other possible
conflict of interest.
A tag has been placed on
Wednesday is indigo blue requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under
section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a blatant
copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words.
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If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of
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Delicious carbuncle (
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14:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)reply
I appreciate you guidance, and I'm sorry for the mess I made. Trying to comply with Wiki's standard seems to only to have made matters worse. Librarians are my dearest resources: what they know is astounding. Here are some reviews of my various books:
TOC + Jonathan Cole’s foreword. Cole is a fellow of the Royal College of Physicians, a member of the Physiological Society, and serves on the council of The British Society for Clinical Neurophysiology. 2http://books.google.com/books?id=EvA5xS-qKR8C&dq=reviews+%22Man+who+tasted+shapes%22&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=Y6wJSt2eK6KqNbvbgdkL&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4#PPR10,M1
I have reduced your
block for sockpuppetry to 72 hours from now (when the block will automatically expire) per the request of
Scarpy who has vouched for you. All of the other accounts will continue to be blocked indefinitely. In the meantime, please familiarize yourself with
Wikipedia:Sock puppetry to see what constitutes legal use of a sockpuppet.
Valley2
city‽23:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC)reply
As a scholar I am mortified at having caused such a mess, and drawn such vitriolic comments accusing me of falsifying my achievements, which are readily verifiable, and misstating my position in the scientific community. My response to your initial COI note, which I tried to edit for neutrality and from which I tried to eliminate any peacock phrases, only seems to have made matters worse. My apologies.
Richard E. Cytowic (
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20:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)reply
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05:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Hi, you're being discussed at the conflict of interest noticeboard here:
Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Richard_Cytowic-related_articles. I personally can't see anything too wrong with what you've edited and can see that you have not understood some policies and have since stopped (evidenced
here). I do have some suggestions however with how you may be able to improve your editing and prevent further disputes. Firstly I would recommend that you disclose your identity on your user page to make it clear that you realise you have a conflict of interest and that you wish to avoid editing articles improperly. Secondly I would advise you not to create articles such as
Wednesday is Indigo Blue in the future. This book has only just been published and therefore I'm not sure whether it is suitably
notable for inclusion at the moment. Unfortunately whilst the Scientific American article does illustrate that you yourself are notable the article cannot be used as a source for the article as it is not independent of yourself. Generally speaking you should only remove libellous content from articles about yourself or suggest sources that may be useful to other editors on the talk page. I hope this advice is of use and please feel free to message me on my talk page if you have any further queries. Thanks. One other thing, on discussion/talk pages can you remember to sign after your comments with ~~~~ Cheers
Smartse (
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17:16, 19 May 2009 (UTC)reply
and so forth. Is there a list of approved tags, or do you just make up the text after "user?" (I got these examples from scouting collegues' pages.
Richard E. Cytowic (
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18:32, 19 May 2009 (UTC)reply
You can't just make them up - other people make them as templates (I don't really know how) and the they can be simplified as {{user en}} etc. Do you want them adding to your userpage?
Smartse (
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18:36, 19 May 2009 (UTC)reply
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I wanted to let you know that I removed the magenta-tinted photo from the article on you, and replaced it with a cropped version with the color stripped out. A magenta-tinted image is not appropriate for an encyclopedia article. I hope you don't mind, but if you do, please do not revert to the previous without first discussing it on the article's talk page. Thanks.
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