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I know it screamed sock, but I was kinda curious to see what they did next, and you ruined my fun. Do you know who they are?--
Bbb23 (
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20:00, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello, wondered if you would assist me again as you did in
April for lowing the following five pages temporarily to Extended Confirmed so I could correct the
lint syntax errors within each? I've been going after fostered content errors the last few weeks, and anything with a wikitable have been a gold mine for this type of error. I assume the same conditions as last time, and will again let you know when completed (each page looks simple with not many errors, so pretty sure it will be less than 24 hours) so that you can restore them back to full protection afterwards.
LonesomeEditor? AFAICT, all tagged accounts are stale, but there should be CU log data and maybe it's helpful. Same topic area (Japanese footballers). Same rapid editing clip (trips the filter myriad times). Socks create lots of new articles. LE creates lots of templates. Even if LE is not a sock of that master, they are not new.--
Bbb23 (
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16:16, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
@
Bbb23 The geography lines up with what I can reconstruct. That said, if that's a new editor, then so am I, with my decade+ and 400,000 edits.
Courcelles (
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16:24, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
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Please protect this film's page
Etharkkum Thunindhavan from vandalism by a user named LondonMelbourneAtlanta as soon as possible. Thanks. This user is saying he is a fan of someone and that no one would believe the gross collection of the film from a much reliable source The Telegraph.
Cinephile4ever15:00, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Time zone differences mean I'm just now looking at this, but it seems to all be revision deleted and blocked. I cleaned up one last revdel that was needed.
Courcelles (
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13:01, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
That user BangaloreNorth personally attacked me so many times and was blocked for indefinite period, but if they can continue to come with many IP addresses and attack me again and again, I honestly don't understand what the use of blocking that user is.
Cinephile4ever16:04, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
I've semi'ed the talk page, as well. For
WP:BEANS reasons I shouldn't go into detail why its so hard to block them effectively, but we can use page protection as needed.
WP:REVDEL summarizes the ability admins have to delete single edits.
Courcelles (
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16:25, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Also I wanted to ask another thing, there are already 3 different accounts blocked along with the original BangaloreNorth account for indefinite period for abusive editing and sockpuppetry, but of these 2 IP addresses, only one is blocked and just for 3 months. Can't these 2 IP addresses also be added to that sock page of BangaloreNorth and blocked indefinitely too?
Cinephile4ever16:47, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
IPs change rapidly. We don't indef IP's, and not even long term block unless they prove resiliently attached to a problem. Mobile IPs especially change like the weather, so long term blocking only produces collateral damage unless you're careful.
Courcelles (
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16:57, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Block query
Hey. I saw in this comment that you blocked the IP as a proxy for a year. Without wanting to spill the beans too much, I was wondering how you came to that conclusion? I ran a quick check shortly after Dan filed the report and didn't see any evidence of proxy activity on the usual sources. Was there something that I or those missed? Happy to discuss further over email if you prefer.
Sideswipe9th (
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17:21, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm not sure. I can see through IPCheck that IPQualityScore is reporting that it is one, but the other services listed on the check don't concur. More often I check
Bullseye, as it aggregates some newer and more accurate sources that IPCheck doesn't. I find Bullseye in particular tends to be way more accurate for residential proxies, which from a couple of the more recent reports Belteshazzar has used, as those are much harder to detect. I also didn't see any evidence of zombie or open proxying through Shodan, as you'd ordinarily see some sort of open port for that. I did stop short of running an nmap scan though because of the lack of data, though that would only really corroborate the Shodan data and not show any residential proxy usage.
Behaviourally, from what I've seen there is a reasonable possibility of a match, and maybe a block could be made on those grounds? But I'm not seeing any technical evidence of proxy usage, unless as I said there's something subtle that I've missed.
Sideswipe9th (
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17:34, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
For a couple of quick comparisons,
this report at the start of July is definitely still a proxy. IPCheck shows hits on two services, and Bullseye even gives us the names of the proxy services using it (see the Spur data). And
this report from the end of July, is also still a proxy (check the Shodan info), but a different type than the one used at the start of July. Conversely the most recent IP, IPCheck has a hit on only one of the services it aggregates, and Bullseye is returning nothing for the services it aggregates.
Sideswipe9th (
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17:42, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
I'm quite convinced the IP is correctly identified as to its current user... but you're right, I'm not so confident it is a proxy... but not certain the other way, either. Then again, the odds of a legitimate user stumbling on the same IP in the coming little while is pretty high. What would you do with it?
Courcelles (
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18:23, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Short term behavioural block, somewhere between 1 and 3 months. The IP doesn't appear to be static, and on the off chance that Spur and the other sources have missed something and it is a residential proxy, those tend to rotate in and out of rotation pretty quickly so a short term block would cover it anyway.
From looking at the recent reports, the sock master doesn't seem to use accounts that often, so I'm not entirely convinced at the value of a hardblock. As such I'd maybe also consider changing it to a softblock, anon only and account creation blocked, just in case it gets reassigned sooner to minimise collateral. Residential proxies are ordinarily just some person's home connection that's been hijacked by malware or signing up for a deceptive service, so the collateral damage from lengthy blocks can be pretty high.
Sideswipe9th (
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18:31, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Another block query
Hi. We go way way back, but I don’t want to presume on our relationship, so please discount it.
Here is my reply on the
Luis Elizondo Talk page, which I post below for reference. I believe the blocked editor, now subject to what I’d term grave dancing, was trying to make a case that deserved to be heard. I haven’t looked at all his edits, and I saw some heat from him. But new editors, as you know, don’t understand the culture here. I think a timed block, at your discretion, should be enough to make the point. The topic itself has become heated recently, and cutting the editor some slack might prove a net positive. Thanks, and Best Wishes.
OK, my reply just now on the Elizondo Talk page:
So WaPo, a
WP:RS and their fact checking that Elizondo was Director of AATIP is questioned, noted. A brief Google search shows the following backup, all mainstream Wikipedia reliable sources:
What I see is a POV pusher who is trying to inch away at this UFO bullshit, something we’ve had quite a few problems with, and it is so obviously not their first account. Look at their earliest edits. Changing their personal CSS with a second edit?
Setting this all up before ever touching a single article? Letting the account sleep outside the CU window before suddenly hitting the contentious topic areas hard? If they didn’t have a superficial argument, they would have just been Indeffed weeks ago. But it’s pretty apparent to me it’s a carefully constructed troll job to POV push.
Courcelles (
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02:39, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Hmm, so be it. I withdraw my block query. As you may recall, I despise socks.
I’m fully of the belief that BLP/N can figure out what the article should say, especially now without the incendiary commentary coming from not Mr. Hamilton.
Courcelles (
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03:29, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Cheischra Achom
I saw that other user, but they had focused so much on one article, I didn't feel comfortable blocking Cheischra Achom behaviorally. Thanks.--
Bbb23 (
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22:42, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
They’re as identical a match as CU ever gives us. Given the ages of the accounts, I think we’ve got decades of nonsense here.
Courcelles (
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22:46, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
@
Courcelles and
Bbb23: Pinging you both again! After Cheischra Achom was blocked at 10:34 on 6 August 2023 by
User:Yamla, as a sock of User:Mubaoinam, a new account named
Tanglei ariba was born on 6th August, the same day. This new user started editing similar articles on the same pattern, on the topics related to
Manipur and
Meitei people. Common articles of interest of User:Tanglei ariba having extensive editings are
Manipur (princely state) (with User:Cheischra Achom), and
Sanamahism (with the sockmaster Mubaoinam). Other newly created accounts which I suspect to be socks but have no substantial evidence as of now are
KoubruNongpok (created today) &
Sidaba mapu (created a week ago). Both these newcomers edited
Mount Manipur today at 04:53 UTC & 05:12 UTC respectively. The names of these new users are also deities of
Meitei religion, namely
Koubru and
Sidaba Mapu, very close, isn't it? --
Haoreima (
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15:13, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
New suspected account
Hi Courcelles! Is it possible for a user who's already tagged technically irrelevant to a sock for a certain past time to be getting related in later times? I am talking about
this user. This user is "super actively editing" articles like
Meitei Leepun,
Arambai Tenggol,
NAMTA & is notably creating
Draft:Anglo - Kuki War (Zou Gal) 1917-1919. The already blocked user
Hacrv76765 had created an article
Anglo-Kuki war of 1917-1919. All the mentioned articles were also "super actively edited" by the blocked user. Their common behavior is adding contents which are against the
Meitei people and their culture. One point to be noted is that this blocked user was blocked on 15:45, 7 August 2023 by
User:Bbb23 on account of sock puppetry. And the suspected user created its account just one day before on 6th.
Haoreima (
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14:12, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
@
Haoreima Okay, technically I agree with what I said yesterday, there’s no technical connection at all. But it’s behaving like a meatpuppet. And that’s just as bad, so I’ve blocked. I’ve also laid down some protections under ARBIPA. Let me know if I’ve missed any obvious targets that ECP would help reduce nonsense on.
Courcelles (
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14:42, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
I see some other suspected accounts too. I have added most of Manipur related articles in my watchlist. So, whenever new people edited there, the watchlist helps me a lot to find them. I will inform you those others, after finding out the evidences. --
Haoreima (
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14:50, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
I understand that to accuse someone of being a sock without SPI evidence is a
WP:AGF violation but for how long do I have to play whack-a-mole by the book? or risk
wp:boomerang by getting irritated (as happened to the other editor who tangled with this tar baby, as I mentioned above). When does
WP:DUCK apply? (Thus far, it hasn't reached the level of egregiousness given in the example in that essay.) Can you advise?
𝕁𝕄𝔽 (
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14:35, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
That's TCG, no doubt. (Check the geolocation of those IP's.) I've had enough of this nonsense to start semi'ing his targets basically on sight. I think the other person's problem was that they got combative and started seeing socks everywhere. (If you see TalkTalk IP's acting like this, its him.) I really don't have any magic bullet advice here, just to not spend a lot of time sock hunting, and that protecting pages requires a pretty low bar, if you want me to look at any more IP's that show up.
Courcelles (
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14:48, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
More, TCG isn't a vandal that's putting filth or porn into articles. So you don't have to rapidly revert their edits on sight, so not getting into revert wars can help with the combative nature of sock work here!
Courcelles (
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14:49, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for the quick reaction. Next time, how should I handle it? Presumably you don't want to be a permanent help-desk for such things, or are you happy to be advised of obvious IPs and their favourite lamp-posts as they arise? I have assumed that
WP:AIV is for blatant vandalism, what we need is a
WP:AISP!
Yes, I recognise the sock-hunting syndrome, it can easily turn into a "reds under the bed" obsession. I'm really not interested in currencies, believe it or not – it is a side effect of an interest in typography and symbol. In future, I'll try to let it ferment for 24 hours. --
𝕁𝕄𝔽 (
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15:08, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
With the acknowledgment that I sleep, I'm happy to serve as a replacement RFPP to deal with this. If SPI wasn't chronically a month behind it wouldn't be a big deal to bring things there, and it isn't for accounts, but TalkTalk IP's are so dynamic that the workflow is just too slow there to make meaningful blocks. It's why I think the protect button is a better choice (and why coming here is no big deal time wise, I can get to it whenever.)
Courcelles (
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15:17, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
The mole has popped up again. Would you semi
ISO 4217, please. No real point in blocking the IP address short of blocking all of talktalk, which would be excessive. --
𝕁𝕄𝔽 (
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08:14, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
See A type of cabinet, originally named Salty Ducks. I noticed that they alleged at ANI that a user, Cool90630, was a sock. I removed the allegation and left a note on their Talk page. Their userpage says they "lurk" at SPI, even though they've never done anything at SPI. I realize that "lurk" could mean just hang out without editing, but they also say they lurk at ANI, and that is true, or at least lately true. Their first edit back in April was to create their userpage with that language. At a glance, their other edits don't appear to be disruptive, although they don't look like those of a new editor, e.g., advising another editor what to do at ANI, and using better edit summaries than many experienced editors. I don't suppose it reminds you of anyone? BTW, you should read what Cool90630 says at ANI; their English is truly remarkable.--
Bbb23 (
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20:08, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
Cabinet looks like an experienced editor, but generically so to me. Not sure who they are, if anyone. Cool well, if their article edits make as much sense as their ANI ones, I can see a CIR block someday. They manage to use 120 words and I have no idea what they’re supposed to mean.
Courcelles (
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21:00, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
Cool reminds me of another user whose name I can't remember (not that I'm saying they are a sock of the other user). It's like you take a coherent sentence and then rearrange all the phrases before writing it. If I understand correctly, they're from Southern California, but that of course doesn't mean they are a native speaker, but their English doesn't remind me of any people I ever knew down there. I almost blocked them because of the CIR issue, coupled with the attacks, but they've apparently apologized, although it's hard to tell.--
Bbb23 (
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22:02, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
In terms of coherency, I'm actually amazed. They have edited some of their comments and each time the result is less understandable. I agree with CIR here. I don't believe they have enough of a grasp of the English language to contribute constructively at a content level. They should probably focus on zh.wikipedia, where they have had far less issues.
A type of cabinet (
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22:20, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
I've been here for a long time. Unless you are super interested in refrigeration systems engineering, I am nobody interesting.
I've been editing on and off for about 15ish years. My current interest here is mostly at the administrative level. It's a very different experience than the average editor gets. As such, there is a substantial and different learning curve, as there is with Wikipedia in general.
Yes, but most of us did not start new accounts declaring an interest in ANI or SPI with first edits. Or even knowing those acronyms. So you might be able to see why folks would be suspicious you are someone we have shown the door before?
Courcelles (
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21:20, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, I can absolutely understand that. I am just here to try and contribute. Be it through content or the various boards.
I hadn't taken this to any notice board because even after finding many I didn't get noticeboard for "insulting words" or "religious statements" that's why I contacted you directly.
This User Should be blocked.
Ignore my grammer mistakes,I am improving it & will be perfect within some days.
Thank you.
Aryan330 (
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13:02, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
This primarily looks like a content dispute. The tit-for-tat invocations of St. Xavier and Indra should stop right now, but provided that they do, I don't see a need for sanctions at this time. signed, Rosguilltalk13:17, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
@
Rosguill There is a incident happened during that conflict about "Francis Xavier" & that is present on that article's last paragraph of aftermath section(with marking reliable source to it already)
You're welcome to take this to
WP:ANI, but I seriously doubt that the broader editing community will interpret these comments as "completely insulting" a Hindu deity or a cause for immediate sanction if they are not continued. signed, Rosguilltalk13:26, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
@
Rosguill Thanks for your suggestion about how to comment in a right way. Insulting any respected person or diety from any religion would be enough reason for blocking someone.Many users even after doing that didn't tell about it but this user himself told that he did it because I did to the Xavier.
According to historical incidents(take article Maratha Portugese war 1683-1684 for reference) if that incident which I have mentioned is not found to be true then block me,I will not do any comments against it.
That incident was happened but
Indra is nowhere there.
This is the Insult of a deity.
You suggested me for taking it to WP:ANI
But if this will be settled here it would be better.
I hadn't taken this to any notice board because even after finding many I didn't get noticeboard for "insulting words" or "religious statements" that's why I contacted you directly.(commented already it seems you didn't read whole)
Aryan330 (
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15:22, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
Proven, at best. They’re directly confirmed socks of each other, and obvious on behavior, but technically they’re on a different continent.
Courcelles (
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15:41, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
I could double-tag them, confirmed to each other and suspected maybe to Ru? Different continents doesn't sound good unless you suspect proxies or something.--
Bbb23 (
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15:48, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
Yes, I noticed you added ECB to the article. Makes it more difficult to trap socks, but probably a good idea. I only spotted the socks because the page was on my watchlist, and it was only on my watchlist because an experienced editor tried to get it speedy-deleted, which I declined.--
Bbb23 (
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16:17, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
Honestly, I kind of think this might be a good mix of socking and off-wiki coordination/meatpuppetry, in which case 500 edits and 30 days is enough of a burden to reduce the nonsense. Of course, I’m getting more and more inclined to believe a lot of ARBIPA articles would benefit from an application of ECP.
Courcelles (
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16:23, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
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I too have written explanation on a few pages not to use this source since it cites box office figures from a site called sacnilk.com which is considered unreliable as per guidelines:
Wikipedia:ICTFSOURCES. But this user is repeatedly using this source on many films even after multiple warnings. So I request you to do the necessary, thanks.
Also I request you to give extended confirmed protection to this page for at least a month as soon as possible:
Jailer (film) since this movie has just been released and the box office numbers are coming in and there is already a lot of vandalism in that page and I expect it to increase. Thanks.
Please protect this movie's page as they are adding unreliable sources again and again. All those vandalism in that movie's page are done by users who aren't extended confirmed.
CourcellesCinephile4ever18:58, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
Ok I read it, I thought it was vandalism because many users were giving the same unreliable sources again and again continuously even after me explaining by citing the guidelines page. I thought they all might be the same person using different accounts since there have been many such instances before. And when I checked those users contributions pages, their contributions were all almost citing the same unreliable sources on many films pages despite being warned like that user I mentioned, so I thought maybe they had an agenda or something. Some users contributions were only for that movie article which you protected now, so I thought they must have only created accounts to overstate the box office numbers of that movie. That is why I used the word vandalism. Anyways thanks much for the protection.
Cinephile4ever03:25, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
Vandalism is a loaded word here, a lot of substandard nonsense that needs to be reverted or improved doesn’t meet the definition of “vandalism”, and there are places here, like ANI, that will use the definition strictly, so it was better to just be aware of that now.
Courcelles (
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12:09, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
This is a bit complicated. I CU-blocked the master back in 2019. They were unblocked by
GeneralNotability per the standard offer on August 17, 2020, after
TonyBallioni gave his permission to do so, with GN "strongly advising" the master not to use more than one account again. On November 30, 2020, a couple of months later, Saan Allo was created. The
page intersection between the two users/accounts is one of the largest I've ever seen. As an aside, I have not been monitoring ShappeAli's edits (pretty much forgotten all about them); I stumbled across this while patrolling Recent changes.--
Bbb23 (
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15:32, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
"geolocation matches": do you mean the same IPs, same IP ranges, different IPs but the same exact city? "mobile": I never understand how a user can be using mobile but have no mobile tags on their edits (I did see one mobile tag on the master - could have been more - too many edits); perhaps you could explain? How long have these tags been around? Did they exist pre-2020? If you had to translate all this into a CU finding, what would it be? BTW, from a behavioral standpoint, I also noticed that neither user/account uses edit summaries. Sean Allon, out of about 1,000 edits has used edit summaries 4 times, whereas ShappeAli technically uses edit summaries far more, but they are of the same type as Sean Allon's - Wikipedia calls them edit summaries but, AFAIK, the system automatically generates them when an editor does a move or creates a new page. As long as I'm building a case, while I was looking at edit summary stats, I also noticed that neither user edited in July 2023, an interesting coincidence. I'm strongly inclined to block based on behavior alone, but I'll wait for further clarification on the technical end.--
Bbb23 (
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17:01, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
Look at all my edits this morning. Done on my phone, but on the desktop site, not en.m.wiki, which is how things get tagged. Or if done through an app.
Completely manual edit, no scripts, done on an IPhone 13 not connected to wifi, no mobile tag, just to show it happens.
As to this case, same city, but consistently on different ISPs, one a normal fixed ISP, one a mobile provider. And it’s not a particularly populous city at all. So, Possible? Both explanations, that they’re different people, or one person with one account on their computer and one on their phone fit the technical data equally well, as far as I can tell.
Courcelles (
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17:15, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't mean to ignore you, I appreciate the more detailed explanation. I haven't decided what I'm going to do yet, but from what you say it sounds like at least meat puppetry if not sock puppetry. I want to let it simmer a bit more before I decide if I'm going to act.--
Bbb23 (
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23:18, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
No rush, of course, of course you’d would want to be sure of behavior before doing anything. These coin flip technicals are always the hardest.
Courcelles (
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00:59, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
Shqipodrilo, new account filing SPI and Based.shqiptar.frompirok supporting new user; + username similarity. New user mentions Based. in their filing, seemingly in a negative way, and linking them to NormalguyfromUK. Note that Based.shqiptar.frompirok was alleged to be a sock of Normal back in June and found unrelated by
RoySmith. As I write this out, I'm getting a bit dizzy. Maybe it's the heat (we're having an unusual heat wave where I live).--
Bbb23 (
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16:43, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for your quick response. Can I get protection on these pages? I will submit them to RPP if that's what I need to do. Please advise, and thank you!
Bgsu98(Talk)01:09, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
Done, I think. I can’t believe that level of vitriol towards making things readable to the color blind. To be around for ten years… hopefully this will be the end of it.
Courcelles (
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00:16, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
That person has been over-the-top awful for months. I spent some time yesterday writing a lengthy explanation of why all of the changes were necessary. I knew they wouldn't care, but I wanted to cover my ass for when I'd eventually have to escalate things to ANI. Thank you for your assistance!
Bgsu98(Talk)00:32, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
@
Daniel Quinlan The God leven sock farm is consistently in the wrong country to be Kotha. Technically, Unrelated, though I did find an unblocked account in the Leven farm. Indian cinema seems to be a spammy mess, sad to say.
Courcelles (
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22:31, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
Admits that they are "On Wikipedia to find Sockpuppets and reporting to Wikipedia". Filed the SPI. Filed a long (now closed by me) report at
WP:ANI. Filed reports at
WP:AIV. Filed at
WP:RFPP and then edited the archive (reverted by me). E-mailed me two duplicate e-mail (I noted this on their Talk page - they blanked their Talk page). Based on the results of
Materialscientist's check at SPI, Nat's report had merit, but still ....--
Bbb23 (
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16:04, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
I should have noticed that, if nothing else because of
Operation Swift Retort (short film). I've just reviewed the behavioral analysis at the first report at SPI, and there are a lot of behavioral similarities, including quirks in edit summaries and userpages. How unsure are you technically?--
Bbb23 (
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16:20, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
it wouldn’t be any more than possible technically, but that overlap on an obscure article? Would not object to a proven finding.
Courcelles (
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16:25, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
I'll interpret your non-objection not to be a preference. Although I don't think it's a big deal either way, I felt more comfortable with suspected. Hope you don't object to that. :-) --
Bbb23 (
talk)
16:30, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
This edit
[13] came up on my watch list. I haven't checked every single episode summary but some appear to be copied from
[14]. Would you mind taking a look to see what you think? I haven't checked the additional text yet, just the episode summaries.
Knitsey (
talk)
18:28, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Zapped it all. Call it fruit of the poisoned tree or whatnot, there’s enough copyright problems to be suspicious of the entire edit.
Courcelles (
talk)
18:33, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello, I am sending you a message about my account that you blocked. As far as I know from Wikipedia, this article (
Majid Sajadi) that I edited did not have any problems and I am sorry for causing you a problem, if it is possible. Unblock my Wikipedia page
Kurd Blanoshii (
talk)
23:17, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Do you understand that deletion templates may never be removed by the page creator? Why did you choose to continue doing so after being warned?
Courcelles (
talk)
23:40, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
I didn't know about it until I read the instructions. I apologize for such behavior and apologize to you. If you can, please unblock my account, nothing happens anymore
Kurd Blanoshii (
talk)
00:30, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
That’s only done when there is the possibility to make edits the system will not stop, or restrictions one things like reverts or the enforced BRD restriction. Simple page protections only get noted in the
Wikipedia:AELOG, as they are fully self-enforcing restrictions. Non extended confirmed editors won’t even be able to get to where they could see such an edit notice.
Courcelles (
talk)
00:51, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
This is the first summer Wiknic since
the 2019 edition and will feature an edit-a-thon focused Governors Island and ArtCrawl Harlem,
Depths of Wikipedia and
perpetual stew, as well as plenty more food. All are welcome, new and experienced!
Thanks! Also is it possible to report further socks w.r.t this case via twinkle? Or should it be done manually? I am sure there will be more coming.
Jeraxmoira (
talk)
18:31, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
Twinkle will file all the paperwork easily. I think you hit “ARV”, then sockpuppet, and put in the name of the master.
Courcelles (
talk)
18:52, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
Rather obvious, but is the fact that they are collaborating without any declaration enough to call it disruptive? The master has been around for a long time, making over 8K edits. There are warnings and notices on their Talk page, but they don't talk at all. I'm not sure why they created another account, and it makes me wonder if there are more than just the two. All assuming that the obvious behavior translates into technical confirmation.--
Bbb23 (
talk)
21:30, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
Have there been any disputes that would indicate they’re evading scrutiny doing this? Their talk pages don’t seem to have any significant warnings, so I’m not sure there’s really grounds to go digging into CU if their edits are harmless.
Courcelles (
talk)
22:10, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
I'm not knowledgeable enough about the topic area to know if their edits are disruptive, but I can't point to any disputes highlighted on the master's Talk page (the sock's Talk page is empty). I guess the biggest reason to look is to see if there are other accounts, but if think that's insufficient to warrant a check, that's fine P.S. In reviewing the master's edits I found two more users: Red and Green Forever and Afterbrew.
This is the intersection for the four of them. Not as obvious, but still a fair amount. Afterbrew is indefinitely blocked.--
Bbb23 (
talk)
22:28, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Afterbrew contains what I can confirm. Note the presence of the also already indef blocked
Random League Fan. We have three different /64s of the same ISP, one used by Afterbrew’s tagged accounts, one by Lsb, and one by Hudson. There are so many edits, and these three groups so consistently in their own /64s I do not feel comfortable making more blocks than I did.
Courcelles (
talk)
23:14, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
Hi, Courcelles, how are you? Just in case it matters to you at all: you CU-blocked
this user a few days ago; he popped up again
here, and is now protesting innocence. Is there an SPI for this group? Regards,
Justlettersandnumbers (
talk)
16:44, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
I usually only edit from desktop as mobile view is one section at a time editing. Plus most of the easy links for referencing are weird in mobile.
Knitsey (
talk)
19:52, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
I can’t stand mobile diffs. No button are where I expect them. We should have a script to redirect from en.m.wiki… to en.wiki for people like me who just can’t understand how to do anything in mobile view.
Courcelles (
talk)
19:54, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
OMG STOP! I will try and remember your preferences but if I'm being truthful, I will probably have forgotten by morning.
Knitsey (
talk)
20:23, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
I’m just being silly. Well, not about wondering why basic admin functions like revision deletion are missing from mobile views, that’s one the devs should fix. But I’m being silly with you. I don’t care how they’re presented.
Courcelles (
talk)
20:34, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
I'm just going to leave a note on my user page, Don't use mobile view with Courcelles because they're (xyz) 🙂
Knitsey (
talk)
20:43, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
You’re a good egg,
Knitsey, you’re proof we are still attracting quality editors as so much of our active editor corps had already been here a while when Her Majesty invited Gordon Brown to form his first cabinet! (2007, before anyone has to look it up).
Courcelles (
talk)
20:50, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
It is disapointing to see so few editors creating accounts just to make a couple of edits then never returning. I understand people sometimes have niche interests, it is still disheartening that few stick around.
Knitsey (
talk)
20:58, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, we really need influxes of new editors; this place takes a lot of person-hours every day just on maintenance and garbage removal, before we can even consider building new articles. The foundation likes to take 2030 or even further afield, so editor recruitment, not just editor retention, is a huge need. But so many newbies register and make three edits — good or not — and then disappear. There used to be some stat that folks who got to edit #1,000 would be here a while, but I don’t remember where or what exactly.
Courcelles (
talk)
21:07, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
Before registering, I read through a lot of the noticeboards and policies. Editor retention seems to have been a problem for a long time. When I first got used to reverting I probably erred on the bitey side which I've quickly adjusted as I see a lot of new editors who do make some useful and competent edits and it's obvious that this needs encouraging. Still, I've no idea how the lack of editors could be addressed.
Knitsey (
talk)
21:22, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
Neither do I, sadly. We’ve made do on a lot of things with tools and scripts that make tasks quicker, but it’s a bandage at best. SPI, in particular, has automated so much of the busy paperwork to scripts, but you can’t automate the human-required time to answer the question of if there is misconduct, only all the things done after you make that call either way. And all the things that make the experience easier on experienced editors tend to make it more intimidating on new ones. I suspect if an easy solution were possible some genius would have proposed and implemented it.
Courcelles (
talk)
21:31, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
You and some others are proof editors can be gained and beat the learning curve. But the days of getting hooked by seeing and fixing a few problems on prominent articles are long gone. Or even earlier, the days you could start articles on significant subjects.
Courcelles (
talk)
21:34, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
If you have a mobile diff, you can make it a desktop diff by clicking "Desktop" at the bottom of the page. It redirects from en.m.wikipedia to en.wikipedia.
Ktrimi991 (
talk)
21:43, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
I was addicted almost from day 1, probably to the point of obsession lol. I've got the time to edit.
Hi @
Ktrimi991:, I do all my templates using Twinkle on desktop plus bits of editing, AIV reports etc. I just forget about diffs as I've got used to it. Except when those darn fussy people get upset...looking at nobody in particular.
Knitsey (
talk)
21:47, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
Ha. I did not know that was there! So now I don’t have to edit the URL in my phone browser.
I know what you mean. When I started to edit on the phone, I often used mobile diffs, and from the reactions it seems that some people considered having to check those diffs as some kind of torture. If you want to annoy someone, that might be a good weapon. haha
Ktrimi991 (
talk)
22:07, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
Us ancient and not overly technical folks were literally going up the URL and finessing deleting two characters from the middle. I’ll show myself back to the old folks home, now.
Courcelles (
talk)
22:10, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
Ktrimi991, that's as close as I'm going to get for a suggestion that it's ok to troll Courcelles with mobile diffs from now on. Thanks for the encouragement.
Knitsey (
talk)
22:14, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
I might be late and this discussion might have already happened, but do you think an RfC to formalize this automatic semi-protection is in the cards anytime soon? –
John M Wolfson (
talk •
contribs)
21:05, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
I usually always check my work but yes I got sloppy and didn't this time...I cut&pasted the archiving template from elsewhere myself. When I FU I do a royal right bit of it. THANK YOU. Muchly appreciated, sorry about the mess.
Shearonink (
talk)
15:40, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Courcelles. Please check your email; you've got mail! It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.
hello admin today I would like to report one user who keeps removing the population estimate of the Kuki tribe even after I provided a very reliable source in fact a good one and also he/she removed the Indian flag along with it and this is the second time they done it. I tried talking with them after he/she removed it but it's likely that they ignored my talk and the evidence for this was because it says "latest comment 2 minutes" ago even though I started the talk 30 minutes ago. Please fix this or give them a warning or have them blocked.
2600:1700:2F01:CDC0:3824:7B86:C522:B37E (
talk)
17:10, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
Hi, you deleted this article at AfD. Can you restore to my sandbox or somewhere? I had pointed to sources that meet GNG/NCORP but hadn't elaborated at AfD but I'll add them to the article. Thanks.
HighKing++ 20:30, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
Greetings Courcelles! I see you are interested in granting New page reviewer rights to interested candidates. I was wondering if you can grant me New Page reviewer rights. I am familiar with various deletion processes, My
CSD log,
XfD log, My
AFD stats. I also have some experience at
AFC. Would be happy to reduce the increasing backlog. If not, that’s completely fine. Many Thanks.
Maliner (
talk)
17:13, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you.
Translations are available.
Recent changes
EditInSequence, a feature that allows users to edit pages faster on Wikisource has been moved to a Beta Feature based on community feedback. To enable it, you can navigate to the
beta features tab in Preferences.
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There is a new option for Administrators when they are changing the usergroups for a user, to add the user’s user page to their watchlist. This works both via
Special:UserRights and via the API.
[22]
The
LoginNotify extension was not sending notifications since January. It has now been fixed, so going forward, you may see notifications for failed login attempts, and successful login attempts from a new device.
[24]
Changes later this week
The
new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 5 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 6 September. It will be on all wikis from 7 September (
calendar).
Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "
Add a link" (Eastern Mari Wikipedia, Maori Wikipedia, Minangkabau Wikipedia, Macedonian Wikipedia, Malayalam Wikipedia, Mongolian Wikipedia, Marathi Wikipedia, Western Mari Wikipedia, Malay Wikipedia, Maltese Wikipedia, Mirandese Wikipedia, Erzya Wikipedia, Mazanderani Wikipedia, Nāhuatl Wikipedia, Neapolitan Wikipedia, Low German Wikipedia, Low Saxon Wikipedia, Nepali Wikipedia, Newari Wikipedia, Norwegian Nynorsk Wikipedia, Novial Wikipedia, N'Ko Wikipedia, Nouormand Wikipedia, Northern Sotho Wikipedia, Navajo Wikipedia, Nyanja Wikipedia, Occitan Wikipedia, Livvi-Karelian Wikipedia, Oromo Wikipedia, Oriya Wikipedia, Ossetic Wikipedia, Punjabi Wikipedia, Pangasinan Wikipedia, Pampanga Wikipedia, Papiamento Wikipedia, Picard Wikipedia, Pennsylvania German Wikipedia, Palatine German Wikipedia, Norfuk / Pitkern Wikipedia, Piedmontese Wikipedia, Western Punjabi Wikipedia, Pontic Wikipedia, Pashto Wikipedia). This is part of the
progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias. The communities can
configure how this feature works locally.
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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
Discussions
Open request for adminship:
FlyingAce (RfP scheduled to end after 8 September 2023 23:32 UTC)
New request for comments:
Must 'Serious' WikiData sources be selective? (The disagreement regards the interpretation of WD:N rule number two, which states an item is acceptable if: "It refers to an instance of a clearly identifiable conceptual or material entity that can be described using serious and publicly available references.")
Job opening:
Software Engineer (Wikidata) (m/f/d). For our Team Wikidata, based in Berlin, we are looking for a permanent Software Engineer (m/f/d), full-time or part-time (min. 32h/week), as soon as possible.
Wikidata's eleventh birthday is around the corner! One of our traditions is to prepare birthday presents to the community. Now is a great time to start preparing yours!
has heir or beneficiary (people or organizations that received, or will receive, (all or part of) the subject's property or title)
towing capacity (the maximum sustainable force with which this vehicle can pull or push another object. Alternatively for road- or track-vehicles, the maximum weight of an object on wheels that this vehicle can reliably and safely pull given usual slopes)
learning outcome (specific knowledge, skills, and abilities that students are expected to acquire as a result of participating in a particular education program)
tribe (recognised membership in a society, mainly denoted by shared cultural heritage; for ethnicity use P172)
The fourth round of the competition has finished, with anyone scoring less than 673 points being eliminated. It was a high scoring round with all but one of the contestants who progressed to the final having achieved an FA during the round. The highest scorers were
Epicgenius, with 2173 points topping the scores, gained mainly from a featured article, 38 good articles and 9 DYKs. He was followed by
Sammi Brie, with 1575 points, gained mainly from a featured article, 28 good articles and 50 good article reviews. Close behind was
Thebiguglyalien, with 1535 points mainly gained from a featured article, 15 good articles, 26 good article reviews and lots of bonus points.
Between them during round 4, contestants achieved 12 featured articles, 3 featured lists, 3 featured pictures, 126 good articles, 46 DYK entries, 14 ITN entries, 67 featured article candidate reviews and 147 good article reviews. Congratulations to our eight finalists and all who participated! It was a generally high-scoring and productive round and I think we can expect a highly competitive finish to the competition.
Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 4 but before the start of round 5 can be claimed in round 5. Remember too that you must claim your points within 10 days of "earning" them and within 24 hours of the end of the final. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on
Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. It would be helpful if this list could be cleared of any items no longer relevant. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on
Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from
Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send.
I will be standing down as a judge after the end of the contest. I think the Cup encourages productive editors to improve their contributions to Wikipedia and I hope that someone else will step up to take over the running of the Cup.
Sturmvogel 66 (
talk), and
Cwmhiraeth (
talk)
Tech News: 2023-35
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you.
Translations are available.
Recent changes
As part of the changes for the
better diff handling of paragraph splits, improved detection of splits is being rolled out. Over the last two weeks, we deployed this support to
group0 and group1 wikis. This week it will be deployed to group2 wikis.
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All
Special:Contributions pages now show the user's local edit count and the account's creation date.
[28]
Wikisource users can now use the prpbengalicurrency label to denote Bengali currency characters as page numbers inside the <pagelist> tag.
[29]
Two preferences have been relocated. The preference "Enable the visual editor" is now shown on the
"Editing" tab at all wikis. Previously it was shown on the "Beta features" tab at some wikis. The preference "Use the wikitext mode inside the visual editor, instead of a different wikitext editor" is now also shown on the "Editing" tab at all wikis, instead of the "Beta features" tab.
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Changes later this week
The
new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 29 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 30 August. It will be on all wikis from 31 August (
calendar).
All right-to-left language wikis, plus Korean, Armenian, Ukrainian, Russian, and Bulgarian Wikipedias, will have a link in the sidebar that provides a short URL of that page, using the
Wikimedia URL Shortener. This feature will come to more wikis in future weeks.
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Future changes
The removal of the
DoubleWiki extension is being discussed. This extension currently allows Wikisource users to view articles from multiple language versions side by side when the <=> symbol next to a specific language edition is selected. Comments on this are welcomed at
the phabricator task.
A proposal has been made to merge the second hidden-categories list (which appears below the wikitext editing form) with the main list of categories (which is further down the page).
More information is available on Phabricator; feedback is welcome!
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
Discussions
Closed request for permissions/Bot:
TiagoLubianaBot 2 (Task: The
Open Targets Platform is an important biomedical resource that makes its data available under a CC0 license waiver. The request at hand is to extend the permissions of
User:TiagoLubianaBot to import information from Open Targets, initially with a focus on physical interactions between proteins and drugs.)
Ongoing: Weekly Lexemes Challenge #107,
Teeth (Challenge started on 2023-08-28 12:01:31)
Upcoming: Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group Working Hour August 28, 2023. We will cover adding the articles from our bibliography of diverse LIS resources that we created in our last session to Wikidata! We will learn how to use Zotero, the reference management software, and its browser plugin to automatically extract metadata for articles and convert them to a Wikidata format that can be batch uploaded using QuickStatements. To get a sneak preview of what we will be doing, you can learn more about the Wikidata & Zotero link here:
Wikidata:Zotero. This session will be recorded and the recording shared on the event page.
Event page
Keynote about Wikidata for the Chinese Confernence on Knowledge Graphs and Semantic Computing 2023, by Denny Vrandečić -
YouTube
How to fill an Infobox on Wikipedia using Wikidata - Wikipedia For Beginners -
YouTube
The impact of Wikidata-powered inboxes on minority and low-resourced language Wikipedias in Africa (Wikimania 2023) -
YouTube
How to create item in Wikidata about a village (in Malayalam) -
YouTube
Add Wikidata link to an OpenStreetMap relation (in Guarani) -
YouTube
WikiDBs: A Corpus Of Relational Databases From Wikidata -
YouTube
Tool of the week
Wikitrivia is a web-based game that challenges your knowledge of historical events, people, and places. The game is a combination of Sudoku and Scrabble, and all the data used in the game is sourced from Wikidata and Wikipedia. The objective of the game is to place the cards on the timeline in the correct order.
Other Noteworthy Stuff
Biyanto Rebin is joining the Software Communication team (SCoT) at Wikimedia Deutschland for 2.5 months as an intern. Welcome!
simule (the element imitates or makes the value of the property appear real)
sexe ou genre du protagoniste (regarding the work in question, For human: male, female, non-binary, intersex, transgender female, transgender male, agender. For animal: male organism, female organism. Groups of same gender use subclass of (P279))
unofficial name (name which is widely or rarely used, but not official (for nicknames use P1449, for pseudonymes P742))
I’m very suspicious of a 59 day old account deciding to close that, for sure. I’ll try and read the whole thing tomorrow.
Courcelles (
talk)
21:00, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
You may remember that 10 years ago, I recommended an infobox to remain on the talk page (taking into account the dislike of the principal author, but coming from the discussion for
Robert Stoepel), and how I was treated for it, including by that author. There was no other discussion in the meantime. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
21:34, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
Nope, honestly, I don't remember much of any of this. Unless I pull up the case page, I couldn't even tell you who was involved in that case. Or, really, any cases.
Courcelles (
talk)
13:29, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
Well, you were not put to shame, without being told for what ;) -
In the case, to make it short, two people who went for infoboxes (opera, and only opera, remember) were restricted, Andy and I, two people opposing them were admonished (Smerus and Nikkimaria), everybody was told to be polite (which we four were anyway, just read the Siegfried discussion, for three of us, and
The Rite of Spring, for Andy), and was asked to discuss on each article's talk page. Andy and I eventually appealed a few years later. (First, I was too proud, - if there's any evidence of my battleground behaviour, I'd like to see it, - I explained above how much care I took of the sensitivity of some principal FA writer, for Wagner. I added infoboxes en masse to operas, replacing side navboxes, yes, because navboxes belong at the bottom. All side-navboxes were deleted, - it wasn't a battle, just the more reasonable choice.) Andy and I were released, about the two others I don't know. - What can we do? I asked the candidates last year, and if nothing substantial happens, I will ask the same question this year. I'd like peace, in the matter and beyond. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
14:01, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
My story today - a first - isn't about an article by me, but one I reviewed for DYK,
see here. I like all: topic, "hook", connected article (a GA on its way towards FA), image and the music "in the background". I just returned from a weekend of weddings, so also like the spirit ;) --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
20:12, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
I wonder how much infoboxes have changed since Wikidata has been integrated fully. While the project was operational back in 2013, it was still verboten to actually pull any information on enwp from Wikidata. And most of the information placed in infoboxes (not all, but most) is that kind of directory information that is machine scrapeable. But, given whether including an infobox is largely a matter of taste, I'm kind of the mind that there isn't a solution that would make everyone happy. Good luck on getting the brave idiots who decide to run for Arbcom this November to come up with a brilliant solution, it's eluded every constituted committee for a decade and I'm glad it is no longer my problem.
Courcelles (
talk)
13:19, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Thank you ;) - DYK that I'm away from infoboxes almost as far as you from arbitration? I decided in 2016 (after
this charming "discussion") that I'd give all my articles infoboxes, and not care about the articles of others. Taste: I find that a majority of ordinary editors like infoboxes, and selected few - but the influential FA writers, at least in Classical music - don't like them. - What I came to say is that, again not by me (but one of the selected few, see Siegfried discussion),
today's story - with the triumph of music over military - is uplifting! --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
20:43, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
I wonder what has changed about reader perspective, too. Given Google basically produces a quasi infobox when you search these days, are people still clicking through wanting the directory information?
Courcelles (
talk)
21:02, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Well, I remember that in the old days when we discussed an infobox for
Carmen, I looked at the one Google produced, and it listed only two minor characters. I prefer ours which names none ;) - Probably Google improved. What it doesn't offer is the links. On the Main page:
Mariana Sîrbu. - Did you look at Wagner? How many said they look at infoboxes? --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
21:48, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Better idea: don't look at Wagner, look at the close of
Mendelssohn. What I see: quite generally, an infobox is believed to help not prescribing readers how to digest information but offer different ways of access. I don't think infoboxes should be regarded contentious anymore. How can that be achieved? I - having been punished for having held this view - am not the right person to say so, I guess --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
08:50, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
Procedurally, the way to ask Arbcom to revoke a contentious topic designation would be to start a request at
Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment. If it got any traction, an arb would propose a motion to that effect and they’d vote on it. Looking through the
Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log they do not seem to be sanctions in active use, which is usually when Arbcom has removed discretionary sanctions in the past.
When I was in high school choir was required course. I was so musically uninclined I was demoted to page turner for the piano player and forbidden to sing, so I think you and I have two entirely different relationships with music, Gerda. ;) I might not meet the technical definition, but functionally? I’m tone deaf.
Courcelles (
talk)
22:15, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
This too shall pass. - Ten years ago on
28 August, I heard a symphony, with a heavy heart because of the pending decision in
WP:ARBINFOBOX, and not worried about my future here but Andy's. - It passed, and I could write the DYK about calling to dance, not battle, and Andy could write the DYK mentioning about peace and reconciliation, -
look. - Enjoy your vacation! --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
15:16, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
Following
an RfC,
TFAs will be automatically semi-protected the day before it is on the main page and through the day after.
A discussion at
WP:VPP about revision deletion and oversight for
dead names found that [s]ysops can choose to use revdel if, in their view, it's the right tool for this situation, and they need not default to oversight. But oversight could well be right where there's a particularly high risk to the person. Use your judgment.
The SmallCat dispute case has closed. As part of the final decision, editors participating in
XfD have been reminded to be careful about forming local consensus which may or may not reflect the broader community consensus. Regular closers of
XfD forums were also encouraged to note when broader community discussion, or changes to policies and guidelines, would be helpful.
Miscellaneous
Tech tip: The "Browse history interactively" banner shown at the top of
Special:Diff can be used to easily look through a history, assemble composite diffs, or find out what archive something wound up in.
Two new users both voting keep, one at great length, and the other directly after and referring to the first. They could of course just be followers of the guru, but vote stacking is usually enough to warrant a check. 3fiddy and
Giro 194.--
Bbb23 (
talk)
23:21, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
Well, you can't be on wiki 100% of the time, can you? Although sometimes it seems like you are. Completely unrelated topic. Have you ever heard of a so-called WMF Community Liaison named Paul A. Simon? Has to do with a hoax e-mail I received yesterday, but I just wondered if the hoaxer made up the Simon name or impersonated a real WMF staff member.--
Bbb23 (
talk)
13:18, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
I have not, and neither had the only staff member I talk to regularly, but, well, they're huge these days so they don't know everyone anymore. Maybe @
Mdennis (WMF) would know. (Sorry to bug you, Maggie, but well, if staff is being impersonated, someone there needs to know.)
Courcelles (
talk)
15:49, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, I did poke around the Foundation website that lists the highers-up and staff and couldn't find anyone with that name.--
Bbb23 (
talk)
15:56, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
There's plenty that aren't listed there for various reasons, including most of the T&S staff. So that's not definitive. Maybe forward it to ca@?
Courcelles (
talk)
15:58, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
Well, we could wait to see if Maggie responds, although it doesn't appear like she's edited in years, at least not under that username (she has edited as
Moonriddengirl last month). I'm not willing to forward it to the general WMF PO, but if there's someone in particular you think would be appropriate, I am willing to forward it to them. I'm not a big fan of the foundation, TBH.--
Bbb23 (
talk)
16:52, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
Okay, if no one we've pinged responds in the next few days, I'll forward it to Jan. As I've thought about it, the Foundation might still like to know that an editor has been impersonating a Foundation employee, even if fictitious. Sorry about my negative comment about the Foundation - I'd forgotten whom you're married to.--
Bbb23 (
talk)
14:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure why you're here instead of enjoying yourself, but as long as you are, I forwarded the e-mail to Jan yesterday.--
Bbb23 (
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21:52, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
I’m here because we lost going to Reykjavik due to expected 50 ft waves. And what else does one do in bed while in a town of 16,000 when it’s too foggy to have a chance of spotting auroras?
Courcelles (
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22:06, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
Peppercat is a website listing government ministers, and other key political leaders, from all over the world, taking data from Wikidata.
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state of transmission (state of transmission of a work (as a concept, not as a physical item; for that, use P5816))
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All these 3 accounts have reverted the user:Eelamstyle777 & user:EelamStyleZ (same guy I suppose) when they were active. I have not checked the others yet. Looks like Pauldereck was a sock of Bothiman when you consider Bothiman and Goodgirly's
Interaction Timeline where they both have edited the same commons file i.e. File:kaavalan poster.jpg. Also, all of them have a similar way of missing grammar as well.
Jeraxmoira (
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20:44, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
I think we might have two SPIs covering the same individual. It’s hardly unusual when the cases get old and stale that they end up split, because having an encyclopedic knowledge of sockmasters is hard as both CUs and clerks turn over regularly. One of the
Wikipedia:SPI/Clerks might be willing to merge the cases and unify the tagging.
Courcelles (
talk)
22:42, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
Invitation to Cornell study on Wikipedia discussions
Hello Courcelles,
I’m reaching out as part of a Cornell University academic study investigating the potential for user-facing tools to help improve discussion quality within Wikipedia discussion spaces (such as talk pages, noticeboards, etc.).
We wanted to invite you to join the study because you often participate in discussions in administrative sections such as ANI and Sockpuppet Investigations. Such discussions can often involve a lot of back-and-forth debate between participants, which is exactly the type of environment that our study targets.
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When you are logged in on one Wikimedia wiki and visit a different Wikimedia wiki, the system tries to log you in there automatically. This has been unreliable for a long time. You can now visit the login page to make the system try extra hard. If you feel that made logging in better or worse than it used to be, your feedback is appreciated.
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As part of the changes for the
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The Enterprise API is launching a new feature called "
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You sanctioned me quite awhile ago for an indeterminant time period. I don't know how to reference the sanction. Can you please remove the sanction from my account. It was not an forever ban, and I wish my account to become unsanctioned once again. Thank you for your consideration in this manner.
Karagory (
talk)
20:44, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
This is your very first edit since that sanction was issued. To lift a sanction, you would need to show solid editing elsewhere. And it’s a very mild sanction, preventing you from editing about one person. You’re welcome to try an appeal to
Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement, but I don’t see it happening yet.
129.222.234.213 (
talk)
22:07, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
Noting my phone doesn’t have a “Newfoundland” time setting, so the 30 minute offset is making 2FA nonfunctional. (I think. But the codes aren’t working and that’s the only thing that comes to mind?) I’ll confirm this is me when I get back on my iPad or laptop.
129.222.234.213 (
talk)
22:10, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
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chronological designation (as a typical instance, the stated scholarly journal year to which reference is made by: the reference source being cited to support the statement being made)
We are planning the migration of some of our existing components from the Wikit to the Codex design system in Query Builder, Mismatch Finder and the Special:NewLexeme page.
Warnings about not being logged-in will now have a returnto= parameter attached to their links, so that you can don’t use your flow from logging in (
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We fixed an issue with the LanguageSwitcher in Query Builder where it would open out of the viewport on some tablet screen widths (
phab:T344231)
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Hi Courcelles. I’d like to inform about a user violating
WP:GS/AA restriction: LittleBrother07 was
notified about GS/AA after an
violating it. Some time later, they return to the article and restore the
with no explanation despite being notified of GS/AA restriction, this time knowingly violating it. They violated the same restriction in other relevant articles as well,
[41],
[42]. LittleBrother07 just ignores the restriction and carries on breaching it.
KhndzorUtogh (
talk)
13:56, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
The politician should obviously be ECPed per the sanctions, so done, but I don’t have the bandwidth to stay on much and talk to a newbie today or tomorrow.
Courcelles (
talk)
14:28, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Duck IP
Please take note of IP
50.126.108.123: a duck of the most recent iteration of Esthappanos Bar Geevarghese socks, Sleevachan (you were the blocking admin in this case, hence me reaching out). The IP has been adding images uploaded by Sleevachan on the Commons. I have tried four times now to get Sleevachan blocked as a sock there, but no Commons admin has acted. I don't know the global lock procedure and if you know who could help, please let me know–I would like to get this problem dealt with more permanently. ~
Pbritti (
talk)
15:09, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Oh, like me, you're on vacation. Enjoy the great north and don't worry about getting back to me until you're back and settled. I can deal with the low-intensity disruption with Twinkle. ~
Pbritti (
talk)
15:11, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Just wanted to thank you for the page protections for 3 out of the 4 acting Oscar articles. (Almost wish they tampered with the other one last night, but the less the better I suppose!) Hopefully, this will deter disruptive edits and we can discuss first, compromise, and collaborate on a consensus resolution rather than that chaos ever again.
My only concern was in the future, if they did register, and the same patterns of revertive behavior persisted, would that potentially be connected to those previous unreg./IP users if a reprimand were in order? And should I go directly to Page Protection & Admin Noticeboard plus avoid undoing even once? Or is it okay to peacefully undo one revert, before posting the warning and going about the same route again? Just curious. Sorry to bother you with inquiries. Just trying to learn and grow on Wikipedia! I see you're on vacation, so I hope you enjoy it. Thanks again ever so much though. --
Cinemaniac86Dane_Cook_Hater_Extraordinaire18:28, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Well, as a checkuser, we will not connect IPs and usernames outside of exceedingly rare situations. If more disruption shows up, especally while a page is semi protected, its not hard to bump up that protection to extended confirmed, and blocking accounts is a tad more effective than whack-a-mole with IPs, anyway. Just let me know if you encounter any problems.
Courcelles (
talk)
15:17, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
I thought they were probably a sock, but there wasn't enough behavior for me to figure out who the master was. Can you tell me? Thanks.--
Bbb23 (
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11:46, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
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Ongoing: Weekly Lexemes Challenge #110,
Ohm's law (Challenge started on 2023-09-25 12:01:32)
User:Luca.favorido/linkypop.js is a script that can be used to search an identifier on an external site. It provides a button to search for an identifier as soon as you type it in the property input field. For example, if you type “ORCID”, an icon with a lens will appear, and when you click it, a new tab will open with the ORCID site looking for the name of the researcher. You can then copy the URL and paste it to Wikidata.
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Want to play a game?
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Citation.js Toolforge is a service to export citations from Wikidata items in various formats (BibTeX, RIS) and various citations formats (Vancouver, APA, etc)
type of musical notation (system of musical notation used on a given music source or composition)
chronological designation (stated scholarly journal year to which reference is made by: source cited in support of a particular statement may not be the same as the publication date or volume)
We worked on making it possible to upload mismatches on qualifiers (
phab:T313467)
We are continuing to migrate tools from ORES to Lift Wing (
phab:T343731)
We've added Wikifunktions as a new wiki for sitelinks (
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Wikibase REST API: We are working on making it possible to get labels, descriptions and aliases from a Property as well as modify the description of an Item