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Hi. I was disappointed to see your RfA nomination for Checkingfax. RfA is a process best left to insiders because there are internal politics to which you must've been unaware and the results can be difficult to bear. You failed to get your candidate in front of our informal pre-RfA poll and you clearly didn't vet them well-enough. The result of your misstep is that Checkingfax was publicly shamed and needlessly so. We've had good editors quit after a one-sided rebuke like that. While you, the co-nom Natalie.Desautels, and Checkingfax are all good editors this unpleasant social interaction at RfA only serves to fracture our community. Please be more careful in the future. Chris Troutman ( talk) 14:52, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
I appreciate your points of view. I just want to say that I was asked (not by Checkingfax) to put forth the nomination, and I was glad to do so; I did not know about the informal pre-RfA poll, or I would probably have used it; I have read all of the discussions on the various talk pages, and I see things quite differently from you. In those discussions, I think Checkingfax is the only editor, with the exception of Dr Blofeld, who expresses him/herself clearly. The others' comments are all over the place: they alternate personal jabs, emotional outbursts, nasty insults, and statements about various things, often without being clear or specific about what they're referring to, jumping from one thing to another; even their sentences are not well written. They often do not respond to specific things Checkingfax has said or his requests for clarification, and often ignore his requests for the specific source of something that has been thrown into the discussion so he can look at it himself. Not only is Checkingfax always respectful in his comments, the irony is that he is often right, but editors (and I would say particularly male editors) don't like to be told they are wrong, or have something dear to them changed, so they engage in an argument. Other bullies pile on. Clear, reasoned discourse seems a thing of the past. Understanding the details and nuances of copyright violations is something that can be learned; Checkingfax is not stupid – he could learn them in less than a day. Checkingfax is always learning, and he is the first to admit it when he realizes he is wrong about something, and he promptly fixes any mistakes that he makes. I think a lot of editors with whom Checkingfax has had contentious discussions are immature and disrespectful, and not only to Checkingfax. Others contradict themselves or are illogical. A cross-section of real life, I suppose, but these kinds of discussions do not reflect well on Wikipedia. I think a lot of the criticism of Checkingfax is unwarranted. I don't write content, but I read a lot of articles and I read a lot of talk page discussions. I cannot say for certain because I don't know much about references or templates, but I just do not see what it is that Checkingfax has done or said that is so wrong. Often, after much discussion, it turns out that edits he made are not wrong, just not to someone else's liking, and I find it regrettable that in those cases editors do not come to Checkingfax's defense. – Corinne ( talk) 00:49, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
"just not to someone else's liking". RfA is political and if, in the process of making an encyclopedia, you step on the wrong toes you'll never succeed. Checkingfax aggravated some prolific editors and admins which means he should have held off RfA for a year and started his statement with mea culpa. RfA is a process that's designed to insulate the content contributors from would-be do-gooders. Please don't forget that Wikipedia is the place where accomplished editors can call a female editor the c-word and get away with it. It has nothing to do with gender and everything to do with edit count. You, as nominator, had a responsibility to navigate those rapids. You're not an admin and you took the RfA advice you may have read far too literally. Chris Troutman ( talk) 02:49, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
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Hi, Corinne. Here's something for your excellent work on the list of Presidents of the Philippines. Really appreciated it! Thank you, Corinne :-) — Mediran [talk] 05:26, 8 July 2016 (UTC) |
Rothorpe Yesterday I finished copy-editing the article on the Cheetah. I had two questions about usage for the person who requested the copy-edit, Sainsf. I left a detailed comment about the two issues at User talk:Sainsf#Cheetah. (Please read that discussion.) Regarding the second issue, on whether to use till or until, since on Wiktionary, till, unlike 'til, is listed only as informal, not non-standard, I felt there was some discretion there and I left the decision up to Sainsf. Sainsf opted to keep the three or so instances of till. Then, in this edit, an editor undid my edit changing "until" back to "till". In my edit summary I had provided a link to the talk page discussion. I feel that it would have been more polite to discuss this in the on-going discussion rather than undoing my edit. Also, it leaves at least two other instances of till still in the article. Before I leave a note for that editor, I wanted to ask you whether you think till is acceptable in Wikipedia articles. Normally, I would change till to until, but Sainsf opted for till, and I respect his/her wishes. – Corinne ( talk) 02:06, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Corinne! I wanted to let you know that I nominated Valley View (Romney, West Virginia) as a candidate for Featured Article. If you ever have a free moment, could you take a look at this article? It doesn't quite need a full copyedit, but I would love if you could just give it a sanity check. Thank you so much for all your incredible contributions to Wikipedia! -- West Virginian (talk) 20:03, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
1) Hi, West Virginian. Thanks for your note. I'm wondering about the word "associated" in the first sentence. It just sounds a little odd and a little wordy. Would it sound all right to you if you deleted "associated"? I suppose in the old days in England, a house with its associated farm would have been called a manor, but I guess we don't use that word in the U.S. (I think, with the singular "is" – Valley View is – it is clear that it is not some non-associated farm far away from the house.
2) Regarding the first sentence of the second paragraph:
I know that anyone can click on the link, but to a reader completely unfamiliar with Thomas Fairfax or the Northern Neck Proprietary, this could be read as if "Cameron's" went with "Northern Neck Proprietary" instead of with "6th Lord Fairfax". I also think it's a little odd to add an apostrophe "s" to the title. Would you consider something like:
3) I'm going to copy the first few sentences of the third paragraph for easy reference:
I suppose most readers would guess that "its" refers to "The house", but the fact is that there are several singular nouns between "The house" and "Its" (structure, plan, entrance, pediment). I'm wondering whether you would consider changing "Its" to "The house's". If you do that, then we've got to figure out a way to avoid repeating "the houses" (see next sentence). I'm wondering whether the house's "rear elevation" is substantially different from its "rear façade". It seems to me that you have studied architecture and are using architectural terms. Would you consider the less technical wording:
4) The first sentence in the section Valley View (Romney, West Virginia)#Royal land grant and Collins family ownership is:
At first glance, the sentence seems all right. However, in the first sentence of the article, you said that Valley View is a house and a farm. So this later sentence is really saying:
Is a farm normally said to be located on land? Maybe. Even if you feel that's not a problem, this wording might be more direct:
5) The third sentence of this first paragraph reads:
I would put a comma after "6th Lord Fairfax of Cameron", since it's a title, and a kind of appositive, but I'm wondering; I see "Jr." is often no longer preceded or followed by a comma (why, I don't know), and "Jr." is a kind of title, so are we doing away with the second comma in the pair? I think if you have the first comma, you should have the second one (after "Cameron"). If you agree, we've got to add it.
6) In the middle paragraph in the section Valley View (Romney, West Virginia)#Architecture is the following sentence:
I am puzzling over the presence of "and" twice in the list. I'm wondering whether "the foundations of an ice house" should necessarily be paired with the well. If so, I can understand the first "and". If not, and it is just another item in the list, then the first "and" can be removed.
7) The last sentence in the section Valley View (Romney, West Virginia)#Exterior is:
The way I read MOS:LQ is that the closing double quotation marks should be placed inside the final period (or a comma) when it is a sentence fragment – that is, an incomplete sentence:
It's not American style, but it seems to be WP style, and I've often seen this edit. Some editors (mainly British editors, I think) say that if the period/full stop was in that place in the original text, it should be inside the final quotation marks. I've just about given up trying to figure this out since I've heard arguments on both sides and I think the MOS is not clear on this. I recommend putting the final quotation marks inside the period. The same with
in the second paragraph in the Interior section.
8) In the section Valley View (Romney, West Virginia)#Harmison family ownership, last paragraph, you mention that Paul and Nancy "moved to Valley View to live with her" after you mention her death. What do you think of that? If you just change "moved" to "had moved", that makes it clear that they moved there before she died. The other alternative is to re-arrange the information in the paragraph. Also, did you notice the hidden question "Who is Bess Fox?", visible only in edit mode?
Well, that's all. Everything else looks fine. These are all minor issues. – Corinne ( talk) 05:09, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
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Thank you for copyediting! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 12:30, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt Thank you, Gerda, and I'd like to congratulate you on your featured article appearing on the main page! What a wonderful accomplishment! – Corinne ( talk) 17:06, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
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Redrose64 Several months ago Checkingfax shared some templates with me for spaced and un-spaced en-dashes, as well as un-spaced em-dashes and the no-break space. (They're all in the "templates" section at the top of my talk page.) He probably told me, but I have forgotten, whether there is a good reason to use those templates, that is:
{{snds}}
("space, en-dash, space") instead of {{nbsp}}–[space] or –
(from the Wiki-mark-up at the bottom of the edit window){{nsndns}}
("no space, en-dash, no space") instead of – (from the Wiki-mark-up at the bottom of the edit window){{nbsp}}
("no-break space") instead of
{{nsmdns}}
(un-spaced em-dash) instead of —
(I apologize if I haven't gotten some of these right.)
I personally like using the templates. They're easy to remember and type. I've been using them so much that I've almost forgotten the HTML codes. However, although I haven't had any problems in the course of my copy-editing, I have heard that some editors are not fond of the templates. Others probably don't care either way as long as it looks right in the article. So, if there is a good reason to change from HTML (the ones that use the semi-colon) – or the actual en-dash or em-dash from the Wiki-markup at the bottom of the edit window – (with a no-break space before a spaced en-dash), I would like to know, so I will feel more confident in changing to the templates as I copy-edit articles. Can you let me know? Thank you. – Corinne ( talk) 20:55, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
{{snds}}
template, to create a "space, en-dash, space" that I believe Checkingfax told me would break after the en-dash if it comes at the end of a line. When I use this, and then look at it in the article, if the en-dash comes at the end of a line, there is a small space at the beginning of the next line. That is, the first word ends up being slightly indented from the left margin, ruining a smooth left margin for the text. I wish this could be fixed. –
Corinne (
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22:12, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Hi, Corinne. Instead of snds, try snd. Cheers! {{u|
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02:40, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
{{
snds}}
emits three characters - non-breaking space, en-dash, non-breaking space; whereas {{
snd}}
also emits three characters - non-breaking space, en-dash, normal space. So the only difference between {{
snds}}
and {{
snd}}
is the type of space after the dash - no further spaces are required. Compare Here – There with Here – There. --
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18:14, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Corinne for your help and taking up the challenge and effort to copyedit this unusual, unfamiliar topic. Thank you for your patience and your comments on my talk about the article. I have moved your comments to Talk:Chhinnamasta#GOCE_comments and replied to them. Kindly take a look. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 18:15, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
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Redrose64 I was just looking at the latest edits to Sol Invictus. I am unable to judge whether these two edits are good ones, but while I was looking at the article I noticed several red notices among the notes at the end of the article. Do these need taking care of? If so, I don't know how to fix them, but maybe you do. – Corinne ( talk) 02:05, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
|access-date=
(
help)|access-date=
parameter (or equivalent) does not have a full date, but only a month and year. The "(
help)" link should explain this. The proper fix is to add the missing component, in this case the day of the month; unfortunately, the article
was not edited in November 2014, so those access dates are apparently fake. Most (if not all) of them are due to
this edit of 09:24, 5 January 2016, notice several occurrences of |accessdate=November 2014
. I think that
202.67.95.100 (
talk) may have copied that chunk of text from another article, without attribution, contrary to
WP:CWW. --
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14:54, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
Corinne, I keep seeing what I feel is the needless adding of hyphens. Recently "a three hour hike" became "a three-hour hike". Is there difference here between British and American English? Perhaps I'm just getting old and crotchety, or spend too much time looking at a screen! Likewise I prefer "19th century". I did try looking at the manual but that hasn't helped. Rwood128 ( talk) 19:27, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
This makes me aware of gaps in my education. All the same the following quotations, I think, are relevant to this discussion:
Am I right in thinking that the APA example suggests that the hyphen can be dropped in the phrase "a three-hour hike". Furthermore is the use of a hyphen with a compound adjective a "rule" or an accepted custom, or usage?
Rwood128 ( talk) 18:01, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
The following compound modifiers are not normally hyphenated:
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Sminthopsis84 Can you take a look at this edit to Kerman? It may be someone adding a friend's name or it may be a real master, but it is unsourced, I believe. Also look at the previous five or six edits. I don't feel like dealing with them. – Corinne ( talk) 04:35, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
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Corinne, I am so pleased with your work on Elmer McCollum. Breathing a sigh of relief now. I proposed this bio for extra credit in biochemistry, but my teacher had me write about aspirin instead. So glad it is finally done. - SusanLesch ( talk) 18:32, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
Hello, Corinne.
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On 19 August 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Catherine Hilda Duleep Singh, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that 55 years after her death, Catherine Hilda Duleep Singh was found to have secreted away cash and jewels valued at over 137,000 francs in a Swiss bank vault? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Catherine Hilda Duleep Singh. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, Catherine Hilda Duleep Singh), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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Thank you again for your thorough copyedit. I made two minor changes. If you had time, please cheque them. I am really grateful for your tireless work to improve articles of various subjects. Have you whenever counted how many GAs are connected to your work? :) Borsoka ( talk) 08:48, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
I've noticed that the icons for notifications have changed several times over the past two weeks. That's O.K. – I figured they were working on it. Now, I see that they have turned into a bell on the left, and something on the right. Can someone tell me what that's supposed to be? It looks like either the view out the front windshield/windscreen from the back seat of a car or an oblique view of an old floppy disk. – Corinne ( talk) 21:29, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
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Checkingfax I was just looking at this edit to Oceania. I know Australia is part of Oceania, but aren't there other considerations when deciding whether to change the variant of English used in an article? Should which variant has been used all along be a consideration? I'm not good at figuring out what variant has been used and since when. If you have time, could you look into this? I don't feel strongly about which variant should be used here, but I do wonder whether a variant should be changed suddenly without discussion. – Corinne ( talk) 00:16, 23 August 2016 (UTC) Also see tag added to talk page. – Corinne ( talk) 00:17, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
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