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Hello, Chris. I've managed to make some serious expansion to Sega Game Gear today. I'm not sure how much more expansion is needed to satisfy the GA criteria in your mind, but I have added coverage relevant to all four topics you mentioned in the review. I thank you for the book source, too; it's likely to be one I will use for Sega Nomad when I decide to go after that article. If you would be willing to read it again and let me know any further suggestions or areas I need to attack to get this article into full shape, let me know and I'll gladly go after it. Thanks, Red Phoenix build the future... remember the past... 18:39, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
You could have engaged in the discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games#Contention_regarding_Sega_CD and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sega_CD#Propose_we_rename_the_article_Mega_CD Before removing the tag. It isn't the sources alone but the writing style and content of the article that has a strong North American point of view which you would have seen if you had viewed and engaged in the discussion. 94.172.126.154 ( talk) 02:38, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
BRD says if Your edit gets reverted discuss on the talk page or create a new discussion and your edit did get reverted and you should have joined the discussion to begin with in the quest for consensus when something is clearly in dispute 94.172.126.154 ( talk) 03:01, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, I did not see your post under the GA Nomination discussion. I was focused on the name change discussion, my bad. 94.172.126.154 ( talk) 03:06, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
No i'm not but thanks for assuming good faith 94.172.126.154 ( talk) 03:17, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
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-i gave you a warning last time, so you know why this has been brought up. Lucia Black ( talk) 04:10, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi Chris, I'm sorry if it may have seemed that I was not participating in the discussion on this subject, but I have been away on holiday without internet access and I don't publicise such arrangements for obvious reasons. It is probably just as well, because any discussion with certain other contributors who pile in whenever this subject is discussed tends to end up as a slanging match. I don't intend to alter my conduct unless the guidelines change. If they do change, I will abide by them, as I have done since date-linking in biographical articles was outlawed. I hope that we can agree to disagree in a civil manner. Deb ( talk) 21:32, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
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Regarding this, first I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that you'll be able to build up the article into something worthwhile, which is why I did a bit of copyediting on it. However, I would like you to clarify where you plan on taking the article. Are you trying to do something like at Dragon Ball Z? Or Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex? I merely do not want an incomplete article, or an article that has little to no chance of improving beyond Start or C class. WP:AVOIDSPLIT is generally my philosophy about splitting articles, as you may already be aware per our previous exchanges. I am not always against a split, but I generally need to be shown some evidence that a split was warranted. Also, what is your view on List of Lucky Star episodes? If there is going to be a Lucky Star (anime) article, should the episode list eventually be merged into that article so all the anime info is in one place? If most of the anime's info will go onto Lucky Star (anime) anyway, I doubt the episode list could be expanded any further without merely being a content fork of that article.-- 十 八 05:48, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
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Hello. I write to you following your most recent contributions to the "Evangelion" debate over at WT:ANIME.
I have to say I have not seen any of the "immature personal attacks" that you attribute to Ryulong, nor do I agree that (s)he would be "incapable of engaging in the consensus". As such, I have to tell you that you do not come off as particularly civil when you reduce Ryulong's arguments to nothing more than "immature personal attacks", and you don't seem open to compromise when you say that "such merges are unquestionably detrimental", or that "view arguments are invalid" without trying to understand them.
That was not the first time in this debate that you've misinterpreted opposite arguments and any proposition of change as "attacks" directed at you personally or at the subject itself, and you have to understand this isn't the right way to debate. You seem to be too much personally/emotionally involved, and that led you to misinterpret the debate as an attempt to delete Evangelion from Wikipedia.
I understand that things can get complicated when dealing with pop culture subjects with higher than usual personal involvment from editors (since these subjects often hold a special place in the editors' life), however my view is that you have brought needless drama to the issue, which could have been resolved much earlier without all the fuss.
I see you've been involved very recently in a serious conflict with Lucia Black (I don't know anything of the case besides what can be read now at WT:ANIME), and I think that you may not currently be in the right mindset to have a peaceful and civil debate. Given that I find it quite difficult to have a constructive interaction with you, maybe you could take a step back in order for you to feel less involved, and to put the conflict with Lucia Black behind you.
But I have nothing personal against you, and I'd be happy to continue debating with you if you could just keep a civil tone and avoid accusing others of personal attacks when there are none. Folken de Fanel ( talk) 17:22, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
You've indulged in personal attacks earlier in the discussion, so you're not in a position to play it like a rigorist. Clearly your tone and approach are not suited to the kind of debate that is expected on Wikipedia, if you manage to antagonize even with newcomers having nothing to do with your personal dispute. I tried to explain this to you earlier. As long as you allow yourself to comment on contributors, I stand by my comment and forbid you to remove it. You can deal with any problem at WP:ANI. Folken de Fanel ( talk) 21:26, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
Hey, um, how come you don't categorize pages when you first make them?— Ryulong ( 琉竜) 21:12, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
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Hi. In the on-going GitS dispute resolution noticeboard, you recently wrote "with Folken going so far as to misrepresent the sides and use my desire for high quality articles as a reason why my views should be discounted"
1)I haven't misrepresented anything. I have merely counted who agreed and who disagreed, as far as I know that count was accurate (with the exception of one ambiguous statement of yours that I have misread in good faith). "Misrepresenting the sides" is a serious accusation that cannot be casually thrown around. It requires solid evidence, which you do not have.
2) I have never said your views should be "discounted", nor have I used your "desire for high quality articles" to argue so.
Please understand that Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence are considered personal attacks, and you've nearly crossed the line there. Let me be clear that this dispute resolution is yours (and Ryulong's and Lucia Black's) but not mine, and I absolutely do not wish to be associated to it in any way, especially not through these groundless accusations of yours.
I thus ask you to remove from your comment in the DRN the sentence that I quoted above. I also do not want you to mention me in any way during this dispute resolution process, unless if you have to list usernames according to opinions. Folken de Fanel ( talk) 14:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi again. Don't take this the wrong way (nothing personal after my previous message here), but since I am interested in Evangelion-related stuff on Wikipedia, I looked a bit at what was currently happening on these articles, and noticed that you have nominated Neon Genesis Evangelion (anime) for GA review.
...don't you think this is way too soon ? I can still see a lot of problems in the article, and I can tell you for sure it will not pass, at least on two obvious criteria:
Based on that quick assessment, any GA nomination is still premature and I strongly suggest that you remove it until serious work has been done, and that we reach a stable enough version of the article. I think making this GA-worthy is still a matter of weeks or even months. Besides, you have started editing the article only a few days ago, for minor clean up work, and you have not even waited for input/help from major contributors on how to reach GA, which could be a great benefit to your nomination.
While anyone can nominate an article for GA, Wikipedia:Good article nominations/Instructions states that "nominators who are not significant contributors to the article should consult regular editors of the article prior to a nomination."
I've taken a look at the other articles you've nominated for GA, and noticed a few things. It's the very same problem with Otaku: too soon, and predictably, the review failed. You also nominated the article for review after having edited it only 6 times, and you didn't notify the major contributors of your GAN. Your GAN for FLCL succeeded, but I see you've done only 30 edits of clean up work, right before nominating the article. You did credit yourself for the GA status on your userpage, but apparently forgot to notify major contributors about it...(I don't know if there is a user talkpage template for this, though).
In light of all this, I think you should reconsider the way you nominate articles for GA, and maybe think it a bit through before requesting a review... Folken de Fanel ( talk) 22:10, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
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Please don't take it the wrong way, this is not intended as a snide remark or anything. Are you an en-N user ? I don't mean it in a derogatory way as I'm myself not an en-N User, but if you aren't, it would explain a few things about our dispute. Sometimes you use an awkward grammar and you don't seem to read my comments correctly. The source of the problem seems to be that you have misunderstood the English in the documents you're dealing with. You have misread the Tsurumaki quote, and you seem to have difficulty to grasp the concepts developed in Broderick, ie you reduce everything he says to a simplistic "there is a religious meaning", but once you read Broderick that is just not what he says. If you are a native English user, then please accept my apologies, but the problem remains that you just don't understand the material you're dealing with. Folken de Fanel ( talk) 14:52, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Evangelion’s narrative is derived from the so-called Gnostic Gospels, though it also deals with a variety of notions related to orthodox Christian narratives like the book of Revelation and the New Testament’s Gospels. In fact, depending on what Evangelion source we pick, Kaoru, Rei, Shinji, and Gendō can all be seen, at different points of the narrative and under different guises, as valid Christ figures or analogues." Comes from My father, my mother. But is a good overview I want to deal with. ChrisGualtieri ( talk) 23:12, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
I thought I made it clear that I will not agree to the creation of this page. I have restored the redirect and more clearly raised my complaints at the dispute resolution page. I would appreciate if you made your intentions clearer in the future, as my attention in the past 24 hours has been diverted to another discussion.— Ryulong ( 琉竜) 05:07, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
I have reverted your edit as I do not see any notability here, Im a fan of Ranma here but the locations are pretty much all WP:PLOT info. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 04:31, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
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In advance for any fallout I may have caused. Have been in Western Ireland (Belmullet, population 53, all related) with no internet for quite a time. Could barely get on occasionally to check emails. I am wrestling with the infoboxes at the moment. Going to try and make consistent across all the GITS articles in style/format. The animanga one seems the most efficient in terms of covering all the bases. But I suspect I may miss some some info. Only in death does duty end ( talk) 02:24, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
This is complete and utter BS. So a new editor comes along and suddenly he completely throws everything out of wack and supports your version despite the articles still being under discussion? That is not fair. There is no compromise. This argument of "independent notability" is ridiculous. The franchise is not independently notable of anything and I will not stand for this. Also, Lucia Black should probably be blocked for violating her topic ban.— Ryulong ( 琉竜) 02:29, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
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Hello, regarding this edit, please note that the references added to the article are taken from the references about Proust's magnum opus. That is clearly not proper. Toccata quarta ( talk) 18:13, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
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Yes, I'm preparing it for GA, though I'm still waiting on a few resources to arrive before I do so (print references, permission to use a photograph, etc.). I would be happy to help with the other articles relating to the franchise, though I'm ignorant on most of them; I'm most familiar with G Gundam and Gundam Wing. The flagship article deserves the most attention for sure, and I will do what I can, when I can. In the mean time, feel free to make any pertinent changes or copyedits to G Gundam as needed. Thanks. ~ Hibana ( talk) 11:02, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
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Please read Yuri (genre)#Japanese vs. western_usage.-- ZarlanTheGreen ( talk) 15:51, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
While yaoi and yuri are not always explicit, the pornographic history and association remains.[39] Yaoi's pornographic usage has remained strong in textual form through fanfiction.[40] The definition of yuri has begun to be replaced by the broader definitions of "lesbian-themed animation or comics".[41]
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What sources do you have, to back them up? As I said, the section in the Yuri article is
verified. Your claims aren't. If you want the statements on wikipedia to reflect your opinion:
Verify them!
If you can't, I'll have to ask you to accept the fact that you cannot make those statements on wikipedia. It doesn't matter how true you may consider them to be. It doesn't even matter how true they actually are. If you can't verify it, it has no place on wikipedia!
Also, you state that lesbians don't use the term Yuri, but doujinshi does... Why would doujinshi be shameful to be associated with? Doujinshi is not just another word for porn, you know. There is plenty of very "pure" doujinshi works. Plenty of which are Yuri ...many of which are clearly labelled as "Yuri", rather than (or possibly in addition to) using a different term. Also, most Yuri is made by (and for) women, anyway, so...
As to the claim that publishers don't use the term Yuri... Again, I point you to Yuri Shimai, Comic Yuri Hime (both of which are officially, commercially, published by publishers ...with a female demographic), YuruYuri (officially/commercially published Yuri manga, with a somewhat unclear demographic, having started out in a magazine for men, but then moving to one for women) and Maria-sama ga Miteru (officially/commercially published Yuri books/manga/anime, with a female demographic), with it's yamayurikai amongst it's many other references to the term Yuri.
...oh, and BTW: What you have done on other parts of wikipedia, is utterly irrelevant. You got otaku to GA level? So what? You might as well be saying that you ate a strawberry ice cream, last Thursday, for all that has to do with this conversation. In fact, even edits on Yuri or Hentai, that are not strictly related to this specific topic, are just as irrelevant.-- ZarlanTheGreen ( talk) 22:01, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi again. I see you have split Timelines of Gundam from Gundam, and I'm here to tell you that this is problematic. Timelines about fictional universes are unanimously frowned upon on WP, because these are usually highly plot-centric topics that either don't meet our inclusion criteria (in that it is unlikely they have been sufficiently covered in reliable third-party, independent secondary sources, and thus aren't notable and don't deserve a stand-alone article), or just don't have enough coverage to go beyond overly detailed plot summaries, which violates our WP:NOTPLOT policy.
Please take a look at a few examples of "fictional timeline" articles (including some Gundam ones) nominated and deleted at AfD : AfD/History of the BattleTech universe, AfD/Cosmic Era, AfD/Dragonlance timeline (2nd nomination), AfD/Hellboy fictional timeline, AfD/Neon Genesis Evangelion timeline (2nd nomination), AfD/Post–One Year War, AfD/The Sopranos timeline, AfD/Chronology of Star Wars (3rd nomination), AfD/Chronology of the Harry Potter series (5th nomination).
Looking at Timelines of Gundam, it is no different than all the other deleted articles, with a massive plot dump and no independent or reliable source whatsoever (and I think it's unlikely you'll ever find adequate coverage to pass WP:N). Remember that per WP:AVOIDSPLIT "Editors are cautioned not to immediately split articles if the new article would meet neither the general notability criterion nor the specific notability criteria for their topic [...] If a concept can be cleanly trimmed, removed, or merged elsewhere on Wikipedia, these steps should be undertaken first before some new article is created" (and this very good piece of advice is not restricted to the chronological aspects of Gundam, as I see you have split other topics).
As such, I'll re-merge the article back into Gundam right away. You're of course free to develop the subtopic and look for sources (or to reduce it as you like) but without solid evidence that this article would pass WP:GNG, it would be unproductive to try to split it again (if it takes too much space, I'm sure most of the fancruft that can easily be cut down). Of course, this is not binding and you may disagree, however note that any attempt to restore the split will result in an AfD, and you can be sure it will close on "delete"/"merge". Folken de Fanel ( talk) 22:05, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
This shouldn't have been split either. The article is just a collection of random trivia and news reports about Gundam in real world, it lacks any coverage from secondary sources about an actual cultural impact, thus it fails to prove it even exists. What we need is an article that truly, directly and explicitely covers the cultural impact (with reception, sale numbers, legacy, influences, etc) and not an accumulation of trivia unrelated to each other and that WP would try to pass as proof of a so-called "cultural impact" (so there could also be an issue of WP:OR here).
Per WP:TRIVIA, "Avoid creating lists of miscellaneous information". Per WP:INDISCRIMINATE, "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information". Per WP:GNG, "sources address the subject directly in detail, so no original research is needed to extract the content."
These facts may be just fine in a broad article about Gundam, but not as a stand-alone article. As before, if these take too much space in the main article, WP:AVOIDSPLIT tells you to trim any excessive trivia instead of splitting. Please do not try to split again, and focus on better including the content in the main page/trimming. Folken de Fanel ( talk) 22:59, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Contrary to the above articles, the topic itself is clearly defined and about a specific work. The problem is that the article doesn't have any source, and there is no significant coverage in secondary sources that could establish the game's notability.
As it seems more likely to find such coverage for a specific game than for vague concepts such as "timeline" or "cultural impact", I'm going to leave a notability tag on the article and let you find some sources. However, given the nature of the game, I still don't think you'll be able to find anything significant, and without progress after a week or so, I'll merge the article back to Gundam (or you can do it yourself before if you want). Once again, this won't be binding and you're free to disagree, but the article will go directly to AfD.
What is apparent from these 3 examples is that you failed to apply WP:AVOIDSPLIT. Please try to remember this very important guideline for your future work on large anime franchises such Gundam, Evangelion, GitS, etc, and always keep in mind that you have to trim/remove/clean up, or develop and make sure it's notable, before splitting any content. Folken de Fanel ( talk) 22:59, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
I have reviewed this, and reluctantly failed it. It's very good as far as it goes, but it's just not complete enough, and has a lot of citation needed tags, so I don't think it can be fixed in the week GAs have. But I'd be delighted to reviw it again when it's improved a bit - just ask on my talk page. Adam Cuerden ( talk) 23:49, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
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