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Thank you for your reply, but it seems that you didn't read what I wrote and didn't look into the case I reported. My opinion is that we are not dealing with a newbie or random vandal here, so the standard procedure is useless.
Lovok Sovok (
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19:44, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Per wikipedia definition, vandalism is not restricted to inserting f-words into wikipedia. Any deliberate violation of integrity of text is defined as vandalism. For example if one inserts into
Abraham Lincoln page a text "[[Cotton]] grows great in the [[Southern United States|South]]", I am inclined to see this as malice.
Lovok Sovok (
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19:57, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Dear Catfish Jim - i have just tried to access the entry on Slides, the very much alive asnd relevant london psychadelic indie band. only to see you deleted it. Pleasre-instate it. Thanks, raphael
178.139.108.120 (
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22:14, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
It was deleted under the guidelines for speedy deletion,
WP:CSD#A7 as an article that did not assert any significance for its subject. The way it reads at present, the subject is someone who works in a casino, does children's parties, and catches snakes as part of his job. Interesting job, but not particularly significant.
Speedy deletion is specifically for articles that don't assert any significance. I could provide a copy of the article for you to work on in your userspace, but ultimately articles about people need to adhere to the guidelines listed in
Wikipedia:Notability (people) or, more generally,
WP:GNG. If this person has appeared in multiple, non-trivial, reliable sources (independent of the subject), then they probably merit an article... otherwise you may struggle to get it past an
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion discussion. Catfish Jim& the soapdish10:31, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
You removed the
PROD from Shonlock (
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views) with the comment, "a reference has been provided", but it was a
self-published source, i.e., the subject's own website, which can hardly be considered
WP:RS … even though another reference has been added, its source is also of questionable reliability (musicremedy.com is apparently not
notable enough to have a Wiki article) … since it cannot be PROD'd a second time, I'm considering a
AfD … what is your opinion of that, or should I just MOVE ON?
BTW, I seconded the PROD before my IP changed. :-)
I tagged it for vandalism rather than as a hoax... ("It is also a fairly derogatory descriptor (but well-deserved)") but perhaps it's a candidate for PROD/AFD rather than CSD. Catfish Jim & the soapdish 09:05, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Innopropriate? You had no right, or reason, the second time to delete it. It was not copied, it was accurate information, and it followed in accordance with wikipedia's policies and procedures. I'm starting to think that this is a personal attack at me. Every contribution I have made so far has been deleted. I don't appreciate it at all. Zacharykirk 23:16, 10 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding
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I'm sorry you feel that way, but it really isn't the case. The page was deleted following discussion at AfD:
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Itaril. Subsequent recreations are subject to Speedy deletion by
WP:CSD#G4:
A sufficiently identical and unimproved copy, having any title, of a page deleted via a deletion discussion. This excludes pages that are not substantially identical to the deleted version, pages to which the reason for the deletion no longer applies, and content moved to user space for explicit improvement (but not simply to circumvent Wikipedia's deletion policy).
* Oh, so what you are saying is that because it was previously deleted when I did'nt have adequate information it will always be deleted no matter what is on it?Zacharykirk 21:03, 11 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding
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Because it was deleted via AFD, then the decision there stands for subsequent recreations of the article, until such time that a substantially improved version can be written. It's too soon for this article. Leave it a few months, until a magazine article profiling the character in some detail appears. Don't take it personally. Catfish Jim& the soapdish21:21, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Sorry that I did take it personally.Zacharykirk 22:08, 17 May 2011 (UTC)--Zacharykirk 22:08, 17 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding
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Zacharykirk (
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Propose deletion of an article
I propose deleting the article for
Sandra Chapin, but don't know how. The article from
Harry Chapin is good, and very seriously is a must... but all the family and bandmate articles show violation of
WP:OR and are written in first person... etc. I can see why, since Harry Chapin's approach to music and life as a
humanitarian, added to his early death left a lot of fans and family touched and brokenhearted. He made a real connection with his performances, explaining what caused him to write many of his songs... but. I'm trying to clean up the Chapin brothers articles;
Jen Chapin, his daughter is a musician, as are his brothers who were in his bands and had solo careers. Years ago someone else mentioned though, on his wife's talk page that he felt it wasn't noteworthy and other than picking a great husband and giving him the idea and possibly being a co -writer for a song, "
Cats in the Cradle", I do question an article about her-- at least the musician-work-group-- to be "noteworthy". What do you think? Harry, on one hand, I can see inspiring others, fans, especially, to add original research and wasn't surprised at all the unreferenced stuff that is in the other articles.. I'm trying to clean up "Big"
John Wallace's biography some tomorrow- I uploaded some photos to Commons. --
Leahtwosaints (
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08:46, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Semiprotection?
I noticed that you've semiprotected
Moving company to halt the guy(s) who are spamming links to the Tierads website. This has been going on for weeks at
Transport and a variety of other places, such as
Talk:Shipping. A rangeblock seems to be out of the question, since the IPs are all over the place (though they're all Comcast IPs that geolocate to Fort Lauderdale, Fla.), but I don't think semiprotection is the answer either. (There seems to be no reason to prevent all unregistered users from editing the articles.) What is needed, I think, is for the website itself to be blacklisted, as it's manifestly unsuitable for linkage anywhere on WP. I've been meaning to request blacklisting but haven't got around to it yet. What do you think?
Deor (
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16:32, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
I've semiprotected it as a temporary measure until the
WP:AIV report gets seen to... I'll remove the protection in due course. In the mean time, yes, I think blacklisting sounds like a good idea. Catfish Jim& the soapdish16:37, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
I've removed the semiprotection... it's on the request list for blacklisting (added by another editor) and I've added a few of the IPs that were spamming to the request
hereCatfish Jim& the soapdish14:27, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
why do you delete articles about new artists? seriously, you claim to want to foster musicianship on wikipedia (or at least you say scottish musicianship) but you're deleting stuff like the death grips article. you're just killing potential publicity. an artist has to have "significance" to be on wikipedia? they released an album and it's getting incredible reviews. that isn't "significant" enough for you? — Preceding
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99.238.164.48 (
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05:41, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
This was deleted under
WP:CSD#A7 as an article about a band that did not credibly assert any significance about its subject. I could place a copy of the article in your user space (I assume you have a registered account?) for you to work on to improve it, but you will have to demonstrate that the band has some notability as per
WP:GNG or
WP:MUS. A self-released mixtape reviewed by two blogs is a long way from the mark, I'm afraid.
I want to ask you a question. I reated a page for Dariel Fernandez and you deleted it. He is a host show and journalis in my area and he is a sample for many young people. He has his show every saturday in channel 8 Miami and Radio every day. If it is possible, would you help me create his page. Thank you. --
Dariel Fernandez (
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13:38, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi, sure... I've placed a copy of the article as it was at
User:Usadari78. There's not much there at present and if you try putting it in mainspace again without improving it, chances are it will disappear again.
Hi. You removed a speedy at Perera and left note in that regard on my talk page. But did not specify why it did not meet A7. Can you please do so here (I will watch this page). Thanks.--
Epeefleche (
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15:01, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi Epee, the reason I rejected it was that there are credible assertions of significance in the article, namely that she is an award-winning actress. This is obviously a lower bar than a demonstration of notability with references, but it is sufficient to stop it being an A7.
Hi Catfish. I had seen that. The reason I believe that does not satisfy A7, is that there is no indication -- credible or not -- as to the nature of the award. Winning just any award is not sufficient to stop it being deleted per A7; I imagine that both of us have won many awards for various pursuits in our lifetimes.
Funny. My most recent one is for being the best tv actress of the month on the local public access tv station in a suburb of Kalamazoo in January this year.--
Epeefleche (
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16:04, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Glad to see you get rid of it, though it you're still good whether your name is a long toungtwister or not. However I'm sure others would agree they'll be happy to be able to type less when referring to you. –
BuickCenturyDriver02:31, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Au contraire - I miss the enigmatic soapdish and intend to mount a Twitter campaign to get it back - when I figure out how to "tweet".
BenMacDui11:58, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Heh! I may move it back... the lack of the soapdish doesn't feel right, if I'm honest.
I went for the shorter version because I had an inkling that it was rubbing salt into peoples' wounds to have blocks issued by someone with a name as dumb as Catfish Jim and the soapdish. CatfishJim (ex-soapdish)09:01, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Hey-- how's the mop? I haven't been well.. still am not. I have some silly questions and so fotth, so here goes-- (I have them listed in the first of my sandboxes, too).
Stupid questions
Why do we have a section in the musician's infobox for individual musicians, asking to list past members and current ones? WTH?!
Just because a person is both a vocalist, aka a singer, and they happen to compose songs, does not make them a "
singer-songwriter! That's like a
genre into itself, especially for musicians of the 1960s and 1970s.
I despise the shells that "nest" the various Wikiprojects together, in particular as a Wikignome. It makes it necessary to open the edit tab there just to see if a photo has even been requested, and I feel obligated to place the {{Reqphotro}} request AFTER the whole nested thing (with date, of course) just to be sure anyone who, like me, trolls for possible photos for articles.
I question the redundancy of the wikigroups that are added to talk pages. Example: a person is born in Toronto, Canada. Then they are raised in Dallas Texas, and move to Charlottesville, VA where they gain fame. If they are a guitarist, who plays
Jazz, the talk page has a Biography work-group, musicians-work-group, one for Canadians, one for People from Toronto, one for those from Ontario, not even mentioning people from Dallas, or Texas, or Charlottesville, or Virginia, and the guitar group, and the
Jazz group, (the two biggest offenders, so far as I can tell as to stubs created and abandoned with one reference or less) and almost every "work group" but two or three have so little to do with anything I want to throw my hands up in the air, since they all say "auto-inherit" if people are honest about it! If the biography musician group passes the article to GA you can be fairly certain, suddenly the others follow suit. What is the benefit in that to the Wikipedia, I wonder? This needs some resolution.
I don't know if it's as clear-cut as that. I tend to avoid arguments about musical genres because (IMHO) it's kind of an artificial construct.
I don't know much about nested wikiprojects, I'm afraid.
I agree in part about the over application of wikiprojects... sometimes it's useful, sometimes not. Doesn't really cause much harm though.
Yes, this could be useful, I suppose. There's already a list of them at
List of musicians who play left-handed. It's an interesting topic... When I played in bands a while back, around half of the musicians I knew were left-handed, but most played right-handed. I'll cobble something together... CatfishJim (ex-soapdish)11:44, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
I've created a category at [[Category:Left handed musicians]]. Feel free to populate it... CatfishJim (ex-soapdish)12:02, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Yes about left-handed thing. I was actually thinking of guitarists who play the instrument left handed, like
Paul McCartney,
Jimi Hendrix, etc. Also, those who were left handed but forced to learn the instrument right handed, like
Martie Maguire and especially,
Ringo Starr who to date has refused to play the drum rolls others do since he was forced to learn on a right-handed drum kit. I can't believe some Wikipedians! They'll spend months on articles devoted to their favorite video games, and penguin cabals and other fanciful articles about things that don't even exist!--
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14:50, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
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Leahtwosaints (
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00:35, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Reality check
I have posted an RFC inspired by a speedy deletion in progress in which possibly I overstepped my authority a bit and am asking your advice on how to proceed - no harm has been done, to the contrary, but I have left myself vulnerable to allegations of overstepping and would rather nip things in the bud and request advice on how to proceed. I think the main issue is whether the text should be restored to the mainspace while the speedy delete is under consideration, or whether things are fine the way they are. Basically what happened was that I moved the article to user space before someone deleted it and then repasted it onto user space which turned out to be a bad idea because it would confuse people to no end. It might look like I had posted the article to begin with. So - should I just revert all my own edits and leave the hapless newbie to the tender mercies of the undelete=request process? That would certainly cover my butt, however it seems that I may be on to something with my preference for userification. You seem very fair and wise in these matters, and I am quite distraught over the prospect of enduring a round of hostile posts from anonymized, experienced users, not all of whom are nice. What should I do??
User:Chloeburns15/A_Wake_Up_call is the original article. The page is
A_Wake_Up_call.
The RFC inspired by all this, FYI, is posted on the User page. I imagine you are quite busy - I would appreciate assistance, to avoid a big flare up of misunderstandings etc.
Bard गीता23:16, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
I understand you
snow-ball deleted the new page
neovandalism despite sincere efforts and ongoing discussions that was under way. Any chance you can now help me to gradually reconstruct the page and post the previous discussions back on line which happaned during its short life? --To_Expand_Tolerance_ 19:58, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Not meaning to step on your toes here, Jim, but I've taken the liberty of userfying the content for this user. You're of course right that the content clearly does not belong in the mainspace, but I see little harm in letting the user write it up as a userspace essay. Cheers.
lifebaka++20:33, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for all efforts. Plz note that I tried to redirect the page to my userfied paged. No bad intention was meant. How can I allow others see this new page by Lifebeka? -burntout123 - --To_Expand_Tolerance_ 20:44, 5 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding
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You can't redirect a mainspace page to the userfied version, I'm afraid. You could take it to
WP:DRV, but ultimately this article won't make it to mainspace. Did you read
WP:OR? CatfishJim (ex-soapdish)20:52, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
My RfA
I just wanted to take a minute to thank you very much for supporting me in my recent RfA. Even though it was unsuccessful, I appreciate your trust. With much gratitude, jsfouche ☽☾Talk02:11, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
For a userbox version go here.
You are member number: 44
Thanks again and please continue the good work you've been doing! Also what happened to the soapdish? I liked your old username, it was unique and symbolic of your humourous nature! We want the soapdish! :P —James(
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Gosh... what did I do to deserve this? I will restore the soapdish on presentation of a petition containing at least twenty signatures... CatfishJim (ex-soapdish)09:56, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
LOL... didn't think you'd actually do it, but let's see where this goes. I'll judge the consensus after a week. CatfishJim (ex-soapdish)09:05, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Because I'm a crazed bitch and didn't appreciate one of the few goodhearted people I know last week. They had to give me units of blood. I just got home from the intensive care unit of the hospital far across the city via helicopter. --
Leahtwosaints (
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18:54, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Not well. Not physically, spiritually, and (it goes without saying) mentally. I'm willing to correspond with you via
email and really open up --because I do like you and feel you are a caring person-- but in exchange, you're going to have to give me something the same amount of real rap about yourself in return. Deal? --
Leahtwosaints (
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23:47, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Northern Ireland Life & Times Survey
Hi, I note that you had created the nice graph below:
It would be great if you could update your graph! I think you should just upload a new version of the image at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NILT NIRELND2.png instead of creating new images for each year. Maybe you could also make the excel file or CSV data available so others could also update it easily? Regards,
IrishBriton (
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08:54, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
I prefer your version in any case... more neutral colours. The orange vs green of the original was introducing a political connotation that is probably unhelpful. Cheers... CatfishJim (ex-soapdish)13:55, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm just giving you the heads up, as I don't really know what to do about it. I'm watching here and their talk page for any replies.
Tim PF (
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15:52, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi, she appears to be correcting the names as per the guidelines given in
Ainmean-Àite na h-Alba. I am not particularly familiar with this organisation, but it looks to be fairly 'official', being connected with Ordnance Survey and various councils, etc. It looks to be a useful attempt to standardise Gaelic placenames. It might be worth asking some of our Gaelic editors for their opinions...
User:MacRusgail springs to mind... CatfishJim (ex-soapdish)16:06, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Saw this on MacRusgail's talk page. Yes, short of the odd typo which Ainmean-Àite na h-Alba still sports, it's at last an official body dealing with placenames. Perhaps a note to her on wikiformatting is in order though.
Akerbeltz (
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17:38, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
I can see what she's trying to do, but in my experience, Ainmean-Àite na h-Alba tends to go for (quasi-)English forms, almost by default! There are some dreadful howlers on it, such as the idea that the name for the Tweed is "Tweed", despite "Tuaidh" being used in a number of writings. There's worse in there. If there's anything that p's me off it's English names being
I think Simon Taylor's guide to placenames is much more useful.--
MacRusgail (
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17:52, 14 June 2011 (UTC) [edit to add Michelle Cotter is the project manager for AAA, so there may be a conflict of interest here]
Thanks guys. I see that Akerbeltz has changed
gd:Cupar Fìobha to match the new version of
Cupar (but not Fìobh. My Welsh is not good, but my Gaelic is worse, so I won't tackle the Gaelic Uicipeid.
I've gone through her edits, making a few corrections, but if I've read you aright, I think the someone now needs to move/rename these Gaelic articles (or revert the English):
Can someone have an appropriate word so that anymore changes are done in a more orderly way, please?
Tim PF (
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22:28, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
A lot of these are variants, but I think it's important to point out that some of the suffixes are important, e.g. with Largs, the "Ghallda" part distinguishes it from places called An Leargaidh elsewhere. The "mor" (big/great) part in the name for Alloa, distinguishes it from Alva which is "Allmhagh Beag".--
MacRusgail (
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13:14, 15 June 2011 (UTC)