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False Accusation
You recently accused me of vandalizing the page "Megatron", however, I never edited that page, I think you made a mistake, please make sure that you are 100% certain when accusing others, please don't do it again, thank you. —Preceding
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07ed01 (
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11:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Maybe I'm missing something here, but I never sent you a message saying you vandalised the page "Megatron", at least according to your talkpage history. In fact, the only time I reverted a change on that page was fourteen months ago which most certainly was vandalism (
see here) which by was done by an IP address. The only way you could have gotten that message is because your IP is a dynamic/shared IP and while the vandalism wasn't done by you, it probably was done by someone else who used the IP before you and so the warning was meant for them. Cheers
AngelOfSadness talk 15:48, 3 September 2008 (UTC)reply
The other day one of my friends told me that people could actually edit wikipedia information, but I found that quite hard to believe. To my surprise this is actually true, therefore I am experimenting with it today! —Preceding
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Calista1970 (
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14:25, 6 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Feel free to delete this after you've read it, but I was reading the Tokio Hotel Talkpage, and all I can say is a rather big congratulations to you on just about everything. *Pats back* Well done on being superbly patient, you deserve it much! xD --Scar †
Contributions †15:40, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I noticed that you've been one of the editors that has reverted the vandal that keeps visiting the
Soleil Moon Frye article. I just reverted the same "Joseph is a boy's name" silliness yet again. I just wanted to give you a heads up and say that the vandal may be back again for a bit. Dismas|
(talk)07:05, 1 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Cheers for reverting the vandalism over the last two days as I've been very busy so I couldn't revert it myself. The silliness also continues on the
Jason Goldberg article but I have reverted the vandalism from that already. Unfortunately two reverts on each page won't be enough for semi-protection just yet but if it happens mutiple times in a few minutes I'll semi-protect it but if I'm not online feel free to file for semiprotection at
WP:RPP. Another unfortuate thing is that has been going in since March but I', hopeful that they will eventually give up...eventually :). Cheers again.
AngelOfSadness talk 19:33, 2 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Thanks and no I don't believe it is trademarked (at least not by me :D). And to answer your question I'm neither emo or a guy. I actually named this account after a not very well known country pop song that I liked. Anyway, you can go ahead and name your MySpace account that as I'm only AngelOfSadness on Wikipedia related things. Cheers.
AngelOfSadness talk 16:17, 14 October 2008 (UTC)reply
I didn't know that you could just copy something like that off your talk page and then just send it to everybody else. I would think there would be something to prevent that, but I guess not. He only got me because I thought at first he sent that to Mr. Delanoy on an accident but it turns out he was vandal, though.
HairyPerry14:14, 16 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Actually, he probably copied and pasted the template mark up from
Template:Uw-vandalism4im,inserted the article name, inserted his signature after it and copy/pasted that to multiple talkpages. I know I never edited that page, and I think J. Delanoy watches that page to revert vandalism not make it so I knew the guy was abusing the templates and causing disruption. His only edits showed that he didn't create the account to be constructive therefore he was blocked.
AngelOfSadness talk 16:42, 16 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Well yeah I was once a vandal, well my first articles and stuff were anyway, but I decided to be constructive and hopefully looking one day to be an administrator on here, to me that would be an ultimate goal for me to achieve on Wikipedia.
HairyPerry16:02, 17 October 2008 (UTC)reply
I don't think I have talked to many vandals-turned-very constructive editors before but I'm glad that you have turned over a new leaf. As for becoming an admin, take one day at a time and don't be in a rush to become an admin. I myself never imagined to become an admin when I first found Wikipedia but then I was prematurely asked (but it was in all good faith :D) to become one after I was editing for three weeks but didn't accept a nomination until I was thirteen months on the project. Adminship, like they say, is really no big deal (I'm sure you're sick of reading that but it is :D). When you become an admin not much changes except there are a few extra tabs and there can be more complaints like if you deleted someone's article per policy but they are angry anyway that their article is gone. But other than that it's not much different.
AngelOfSadness talk 17:29, 17 October 2008 (UTC)reply
I'm glad I did to, but as for being an admin, thats what I want. I want an challenge on Wikipedia to be the best encyclopedia ever and I am just waiting on the 1,000 contribution mark then i'm going to wait about 200 more contrib. Then I'm going to make my case to be an admin and if I get turned down then I'm going to wait and try again and to me adminship means that you've worked hard and somewhat long on Wikipedia. Wikipedia has complaints everyday whats a few more towards me going to hurt as long as I'm an admin. To me it would be very different, but I'm not going to rush, I'm going to wait my turn and make sure that I am ready to be an admin until I commit myself to being one.
I'm glad that you have a great amount of enthusiasim for it. I know that 1000 edits is the unspoken minimum and as well as at least three months activity (but many editors prefer six depending on the contributions made) is required. Also it helps if you're working in multiple admin related areas already especially the areas you wish to mention in question one of the admin nomination as I have seen editors oppose admin candidates for not working in the areas mentioned and so they see that there is no need for the tools. So stuff like reports made to AIV, UAA and requests for page protection can help a lot as well as comments in AFD discussions. But if you say you wish to work on closing AFD discussions and deleting CSD tagged articles be also sure to have some article building contributions as well. I know this is a lot but I probably have seen way too many Rfa's and these tend to be the general problems for those taking part at least from my observations. If you work in many different areas across Wikipedia, it tends to have a more successful outcome than just say an editor who only files for CSDs and reports the odd vandal every so often. The standards do change like only 15 months ago any vandal fighter active for a few months could be successful in an admin nomination but now many editors expect a lot more than that. Anyway, sounds like you're doing this for all the right reasons so keep up the good work and that admin nomination time will fly in sooner than you think.
AngelOfSadness talk 17:58, 20 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Anu suggestions on projects, articles, or anything that I need to work on that better my chances and please don't use abbreviations, I don't know what they mean. Thank you.
HairyPerry12:37, 21 October 2008 (UTC)reply
I'm sorry I haven't really advised someone on Rfa before so without thinking I forgot to mention the full names of things in my last message. If it's ok, I'll provide both full names of each process as well as wikilinks to each from now on. Anyway, it's not really what projects or articles you contribute to it's more the quality of your contributions more than anything. Like if you're going to say that you are both an article builder and a vandal fighter, the !voters should be able to look through your contributions and see the many vandal reverts, warnings and reports to
Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism (AIV for short) as well as the substantive edits to articles. There are some editors that half expect
a few featured articles or
good articles mentioned in the nomination, but if you work on (create from scratch or work on existing articles) many different articles and bring them each up to a similar standard (ie not a stub article containing two sentences) it would help. I mentioned that in my Rfa (like I worked on the albums, singles and artist pages of various musicians as well as creating
templates for navigating around those articles) but I also improved the
reliablity and
verifiablility of the content of many different articles simply by adding sources which also didn't hurt to mention. As for Wikipedia related areas, if you want to work in the
critera for speedy deletion (CSD for short) process or
the articles for deletion (AFD for short) process by closing discussions and deleting articles based on the consensus of the discussion, the article building contributions would greatly come into play here as if the !voters see that you contribute a fair amount (build articles) to the project (Wikipedia) then high amounts of filed
CSD tagged articles and
AFD votes as delete won't be seen as much as a problem than someone who just tag articles for deletion without doing an article building themselves. The same goes for vandalism reverts. The !voters usually want to see a balance between these areas. If you're not much of an article builder, it wouldn't prevent you from adding suitable
references to articles or creating templates that would be more in the
WikiFairy/
WikiElf area.
AngelOfSadness talk 17:55, 21 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Well I'm more of an article builder and a vandal reverter. I guess my question would be, do you have to be issued the rights to get those warnings that I see on talk pages all the time or are they just templates of somesort? I appreciate you taking the time to spell out those abbreviations.
HairyPerry18:48, 21 October 2008 (UTC)reply
No they are not rights, they are just templates which you can copy from
WP:WARN. Or alternatively, to help with reverting vandals, warning them and reporting them, you could install
Twinkle which is a script you can install into your monobook. It just give you a lot of extra tabs and is like a "tick-the-box" sort of thing. It's extremely easy to use once you get the hang of it. :)
AngelOfSadness talk 18:58, 21 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Ok well I will go copy those warnings then and I've tried to get Twinkel before and I have IE so it doesn't work on my monobook. Believe me I have tried to a bunch of times.
HairyPerry12:36, 22 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Ahh ok. I don't think it is supposed to work on IE. I know it works perfectly on Firefox anyway. I don't know much about the other anti-vandalism tools like
Vandal Proof,
Huggle or
Vandal Sniper. I know some require the program to be downloaded and others can require permission to use like from the creator of the tool but each tools lists it's own requirements on it's description page.
AngelOfSadness talk 14:23, 22 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Yeah well some people have already told me at the
Help Desk that IE wouldn't work with anything, so I don't know what to do. Yeah I got the level 1 and the level 4 Vandal warnings and I pledge to only use them in serious situations, well except for level 1 because your supposed to use it everytime somebody vandalizes, but yeah I think you got the picture. Thanks!
HairyPerry14:46, 22 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Well you could install Firefox and then install an anti-vandalism program, but then again there really should be more anti-vandal programs that work for IE. Anyway, sounds like you have everything under control.
AngelOfSadness talk 14:53, 22 October 2008 (UTC)reply
I believe I do now, but all thanks to your help. Thanks you for all your help I'm going to go try my best to wrok up a case for an RFA soon and start working on projects and such as you said. Once again, Thanks and Happy Editing. HairyPerry14:58, 22 October 2008 (UTC)reply
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I messaged a couple of other people, but I was recommended to you by Julian Colton. I was wondering if you'd be interested in doing a translation for me, from English to Irish. The English article would be
Two Working Men, and the destination would be
ga:Beirt fhear oibre. Please let me know if you'd be interested; it'd be a big help to me!
Mike H.Fierce!13:34, 17 October 2008 (UTC)reply
I don't think I'd be much help as the Irish I have is extemely school based (due to learning Irish in the
great capital where Irish is not spoken on a daily basis outside of the classroom) as in much of my Irish is either learned off phrases (like everyday consersation or random notes about selected poems, stories, dramas or debates learned off for great exams like the
Leaving Cert which are never used again after that) or (extremely) basic sentences (for example: Is maith liom milseán - which means I like sweets :D). And my Irish teachers can back me up on that. Honestly, I don't think I would be able to translate the article as my Irish grammar skills are so atrocious that it's almost laughable hence why I never bothered to edit the Irish Wikipedia as the edits would cause more harm than good (I wouldn't be surprised if my edits would be considered vandalism or the would at least be reverted for being somewhat nonsensical). I know there are a few editors that work both on this Wikipedia and the Irish one (I think
User:Alison is one of them) who would have the Irish to be able to translate articles a hell of a lot better than I ever could. I'm sorry that I can't be of much help here.
AngelOfSadness talk 17:29, 17 October 2008 (UTC)reply
the 1000 oceans single with wir schliessen uns ein
you said that wir schliessen uns ein was only a video release, but it has a single cover too, i founded on a site, i don't knwo the site now, but if i have founded it back i will give a link —Preceding
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Tobijumper51 (
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18:24, 19 October 2008 (UTC)reply
i just uploaded the wir schliessen uns ein cover watch:
I actually haven't heard anything official about "Wir schliessen uns ein" being a single release by itself. It had the video release but I don't know whether it was planned to have it released as a single by itself and so the cover was made but the plans were cancelled to release the single or if there was no plans to release it as a single and the cover you found could be a bootleg/fan-made cover made in the style of previous single covers. Like today, I was searching amazon, ebay and last.fm to find official tracklistings and the amount of bootleg covers there are is unbelievable, I think I saw about ten different covers for Ubers ende der welt/ready set go! alone and only two/three I know I definately official.
Anyway, I doubt "Wir schliessen uns ein"/"1000 oceans" were released as singles by themselves as I haven't found any chart positions for either and pretty much every single known Tokio Hotel single has charted on at least two national charts so I don't think that would have got away. I haven't found any sources for it nor have I found rumours about it so the likelyhood of it have already been released is not very likely and also if it were to be released as "Wir schliessen uns ein" is two years old now so why would they have waited this long to release it as a single. With that said, I think it's better to leave the Tokio Hotel articles rumour free where possible so the articles will not possibly mislead fans. Sure even the Tokio Hotel wiki has not mention of it being released as a single and I'm sure something like that would have information on all releases at the very least.
I am new to writing articles on Wikipedia and it seems you have deleted the recent MIXISM article due to not indicating "importance or significance of a group/band/company/etc." with an A7 reference.
The following complies with the "Significance or Importance" criteria for a group:
The band focuses primarily on writing and producing their specific blend of original electronic, world and trip-hop music and have recently gained the interest of companies such as MTV, Lake FX Radio and XM Radio. The band was also invited to Battle of the Bands and have titles listed under ASCAP's ACE Title Search.
How may I add the text above to the deleted article?
According to what I have read in Wikipedia, the above complies with the requirement of "Notability" under "Resources."
Thank you in advance for your reply,
I'm looking at the deleted article revision and the article at the time of deletion did not assert a claim of notability (one or more of the given critera of
WP:MUSIC). I can copy the deleted page into your userspace for you to work on before it (like asserting notability per
WP:MUSIC and perhaps adding some sources to back up the claims of notabiity)is put into back into the mainspace. The MTV (particuarly), Lake FX Radio and XM Radio would add some back up but clear out mentions of them will only prevent the article from being
speedy deleted. Battle of the Bands wouldn't be enough of an achievement to provide notability as a lot of everyday bands would have taken part in some sort of music competetion in their early career unless you are referring to some sort of notable televised music show called "Battle of the Bands" but even that would only be a small assertion unless it was a national sort of thing and the band won the competetion. And the ASCAP's ACE Title Search is a database like imdb (where even a lot of extras would have profiles) also wouldn't help assert notability.
The problem with the "specific blend of original electronic" mention is that it would have to be heavily sourced by multiple
reliable sources that are independant of the subject. Having one MTV article reference probably won't prevent the article from being
Prodded or
filed for deletion. Take a look at
WP:MUSIC to see if the band meet any more of the listed critera especially the critera under
Wikipedia:Notability_(music)#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles as those critera don't need as many sources as a claim of an original take on electronic would. Also another reason why the music style has to be heavily sourced as it does not seem to be in a
neutral point of view and it could very easily be seen as an
WP:ADVERT for the band if left unsourced and not surrounded by other claims of notability. Usually music style sections are the last to be created purely because it's the hardest to write without sounding like an opinion piece like a review and also needs a lot of sources to back it up even if it is a short paragraph.
AngelOfSadness talk 16:33, 20 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Your Assistance Re: Deleted MIXISM Article
Dear Angel of Sadness,
I read the response you gave regarding the deleted article for the music group MIXISM and thank you, it makes sense to me.
Would it be possible for you to provide instructions on how to completely remove all traces of the inappropriate posting of the deleted article?
Right now, when "MIXISM" comes up on Wikipedia, the main item a visitor sees is:
02:02, 19 October 2008 AngelOfSadness (Talk | contribs) deleted "MIXISM" (A7 (group): Doesn't indicate importance or significance of a group/band/company/etc.)
Unfortunately the deletion log, which says "02:02, 19 October 2008 AngelOfSadness (Talk | contribs) deleted "MIXISM" (A7 (group): Doesn't indicate importance or significance of a group/band/company/etc.)", cannot be cleared by myself nor do I think it can be done unless the log entry contained extremely personal information (non-public info like phone numbers) about someone, potentially libelous material or copyright infringement per
WP:OVERSIGHT. The log of this article did not contain any of them so I don't think it would be possible with this article.
AngelOfSadness talk 20:26, 20 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Thank you for your response.
If you could not clear the log, then who may do so? It does not seem fair practice that someone can write an unacceptable article that is inaccessible with only the A7 reference and the administrator's page as the result of the query. I too am new in understanding the rules in Wikipedia but am sure you can see what I am communicating.
ZenF8 (
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22:08, 20 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Possibly an
oversighter but only if the log contained 1.)extremely personal information, 2.)libelous material or 3.)copyright infringement material. The log dos not contain any of these three so I don't think a request to clear the article log would be successful. Wikipedia has set guidelines and policies with set critera for each thing especially for things like the use of
oversight as it is only given to a select few (and I mean very few as there is only a handful of oversighters yet there is over 5 million users) on the basis that the tool will only be used in accordance to the given critera of
WP:OVERSIGHT, like I could only delete the article as it did not assert one of the critera which was A7 of the
speedy deletion critera. I wouldn't be able to delete the article because someone didn't like it. For me the same goes for blocking accounts, I could only block accounts in accordance to
WP:BLOCK and never use the blocking tool to block someone I didn't like as that would be an abuse of the tool. I'm sorry but I really don't think there is any reasonable way around it especially considering oversight is only used for extremely certain circumstances - the three which I have already outlined. But even about 99% of pages like
attack pages which disparage the subject of the article are not cleared from the log after deletion either as the logs would not have disparaged the subject of the article itself. The Wikipedia guidelines and policies can be quite stiff but there is never any way around it except to try and work with it. I'm sorry but I can't be more of any help.
AngelOfSadness talk 17:55, 21 October 2008 (UTC)reply
what if we add it to sumwhere else in that article? Look, everyone should know what is going on with a person. I mean, she is not better than every average human in this world .. —Preceding
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91.97.95.71 (
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22:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)reply
This has absolutely nothing to do with freedom of speech, its about verifiable sourced content. Only verifiable sourced content goes in articles not the opinions of anyone who feels like editing the article. So you've probably come to the wrong site there.
AngelOfSadness talk 22:31, 26 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Navbar
Hey dear! What's the deal with the icons in the Navbar? Last night I went to bed, they were fine, this morning I woke up and after your fix, they are 400px big, each one! Even full screen, I can't see my talk page or userpage because the icons are so huge. I tried to revert your change, but even going back to how it was last night isn't helping! ACK HELP! lol. Why would it have changed overnight?
Ariel♥Gold17:47, 26 October 2008 (UTC)reply
I actually have no idea why it would have changed overnight. Like when the px bug happened it affected the icons at the top of my page as well as everyone else's but my icons have been the same all along as when I fixed them so I think we can rule out a bug that affects all icons. Unless the icons were suddenly working with 35px X 35px (possibly the template markup was recently altered) which made them super huge instead of just 35px but other than that and the possiblility of another big I can't think of another explaination. But I'm glad you've managed to fix it.
AngelOfSadness talk 19:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)reply
I had to just completely redo the code, and remove the "click" template completely. Nothing I did worked, I even used the {{px}} thing like it said to, and even that didn't work. Something went wrong, somewhere, because that px bug was back in March, and my navbar never changed nor was affected by it until yesterday. :( Oh well! ~*Hugs*~
Ariel♥Gold18:32, 27 October 2008 (UTC)reply
That's really strange then. At first I thought someone was changing the vandal count to 56000 hence the first revert but then I realised it was an IP address changing the contrib number so I just assumed that possible you got logged out while changing it. Feel free to revert me then :)
AngelOfSadness talk 00:22, 27 October 2008 (UTC)reply
I reverted it back. I used to count by increments of 1,000, but after I got to a certain point awhile back, I switched over to counting in increments of 5,000. Additionally, I haven't hit 56,000 the way I count (no deleted edits). Oh well, no worries. =) --
Gogo Dodo (
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01:05, 27 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Re:Block
OKAY I ADMIT IT I'M SORRY PLEASE FORGIVE ME I WILL NEVER DO IT AGAIN.I PROMISE, AND IF YOU DONT FORGIVE ME THEN YOU CAN DO THAT BECAUSE I HAVE VANDALIZED 2 MANY PAGES ON WIKIPEDIA. AND YOU CAN CHOOSE NOT TO FORGIVE ME BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN WE CANT STILL BE FREINDS. ONCE AGAIN IM SORRY. USER, CODY PARKER
Cparker1 (
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13:42, 27 October 2008 (UTC)reply
First things first, the personal attacks (i.e your first message which I have now removed) is only going to lead you faster to another block and that could happen without another warning (see
Wikipedia's policy on personal attacks against other editors). Secondly, begging for forgiveness and promising you'll never vandalize again then vandalizing three more articles afterwards really doesn't help your case one bit. And by the looks of it if you vandalize/disrupt/attack other editors one more time you could very well be blocked indefinately as not one of your contributions have been contructive. If you don't vandalize or attack other editors and try to be contructive then a block shouldn't happen (but it can happen for other reasons like
breaking the 3 revert rule) but one more non-constructive edit could cause your account being blocked indefinately without warning.
AngelOfSadness talk 18:58, 27 October 2008 (UTC)reply
OKAY IM SORRY I WILL NEVER DO IT AGAIN PROMISE THIS TIME.NEVER EVER EVER EVEV EVEV EVER EVER EVER AGAIN I PROMISE PLAESE FORGIVE ME.
Cparker1 (
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19:07, 27 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Only if you can refrain from vandalizing/attacking other editors as they are both huge no-nos in my Wikipedia book. :) You don't need to promise that you won't vandalize or attack other editors anymore you just don't do them things full stop.
AngelOfSadness talk 19:21, 27 October 2008 (UTC)reply
HEY HOW DO I BECOME LIKE THE PATROLLER THING YOU ARE WHERE YOU CAN BLOCK PEOPLE FROM PEOPLE FROM VANDALISM LIKE YOU KNOW HOW IT SAYS YOUR A CURRENT PATROLLER THING AND STOP PEOPLE FROM VANDILISM BECAUSE I WANT TO DO IT 2 THX -
Cparker1 (
talk)
14:53, 30 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Well you can become a vandalism patroler, by looking through the recent changes, reverting vandalism edits (See
WP:VAND for what vandalism edits look like), warning vandals with template warnings about their vandalism (See
Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace#Multi-level_templates for all of the warning templates) and then you can report them after they recieved a final warning to
WP:AIV. But only
administrators can block users from editing and that is when the Wikipedia community discuss whether the candidate can be trusted with the tools (blocking, deleting etc. functions) and will not abuse the tools (like block users they have a disagreement with just because they feel like it). The standards to become an administrator are becoming increasingly higher like a year and a half ago, users could become an admin if they were vandal patrolling for at least three months. But now the general standards are higher and users pretty much have to be vandal-patrolling, creating articles, helping new users, filing articles for deletion if nessesary, helping out at help desk, or administrators noticeboard etc, showing that they can communicate well with other users etc. for at least six months to even have a chance of the nomination not failing. But adminship really isn't a big deal, and it's not a trophy in any way. Administrators are merely the janitors of Wikipedia.
AngelOfSadness talk 16:21, 31 October 2008 (UTC)reply