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19:37, 11 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Kuru:You obviously didn't look at the history of Bon courage and his egregious edits right across the Wiki. And as I said at the noticeboard, it was no more than 3RR. Funny how those two editors managed to work it so that neither of them went past 2RR, and both were on the scene almost immediately I made the first valid revert. Something fishy there. There's a name for that behaviour - tag team editing, is it?
86.187.171.52 (
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20:07, 11 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I did. See
WP:NOTTHEM; this is an incredibly mild content dispute that should be resolved on the article's talk page over a reasonable period of time. There is no rush that would require that many reverts over ten minutes.Sam Kuru(talk)20:28, 11 March 2024 (UTC)reply
86.187.171.52, I believe the mistake you made was to add too many publications
[1], this is a common mistake on Wikipedia. What is needed is a "selected publications" list, not an exhaustive list of almost every publication he has written. We do not need to list every publication the person wrote but there is nothing wrong with citing their most popular books or papers. You were trying to add 28 publications. If you added around 6 - 8 this would be more practical and reasonable. If you look at
Michael Klaper's article it cites 8 publications in total. 28 is too many and will be reverted because it will be seen as promotional.
Psychologist Guy (
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21:03, 11 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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Psychologist Guy:. Actually PG, I wasn't trying to add anything. The subject of the article has a new book published, so it would seem sensible to list it with his other publications. Another editor did this, but
User:Bon courage didn't like it, and removed it. I explained in the edit summary why I put it back, but BC then started to edit war. He then deleted the entire bibliography, briefly edit warred, and then canvassed for assistance from other like-minded editors at a noticeboard - a useful trick to get your own way and avoid a 3RR block; he's effectively gaming the system. Anyway, I don't really care about this article, since I came across it purely by accident, but blatant POV-pushing and agenda pushing such as that exhibited by BC gets me riled.
PS: don't bother blocking my current IP. My ISP (EE in the UK) is highly dynamic, and is likely to change the address several times in an hour, so you'd just be blocking someone else. I'm not evading a block, because I won't edit another page; only this particular Talk page to talk to you. Thanks for your response.
86.187.231.41 (
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21:24, 11 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Right, I am sorry. Yes you are correct it seems you were just trying to add one book, his latest, then the entire list was removed. I believe that the entire list was excessive but I think we should add a selected publications for his most notable. There is no reason to cite 28 publications, that is overly promotional and some of those publications are not notable.
His upcoming book The Power Foods Diet: The Breakthrough Plan That Traps, Tames, and Burns Calories for Easy and Permanent Weight Loss is set to be published in April 2024 in the UK
[2] it might turn out to popular. It's best to wait until the book is published and we have some academic reception until adding it to his article. So far I can only find one source that mentions the book
[3] so it is still early days. No reviews have yet been published. Neal Barnard has published a lot of books over the years but none of them seem to be reviewed in medical journals. Red Pen Reviews is a good website that neutrally reviews all kinds of diet books
[4] from a professional basis. They have not reviewed Barnard's material but I am hoping they may take a look at his latest book in the future and review it. It's probably just best waiting until we have better sources that have reviewed his book. Then the article can be expanded.
Psychologist Guy (
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21:50, 11 March 2024 (UTC)reply
(IP has changed again already) I think a point worth noting is that anyone interested in Barnard and coming to the article to find out about him, would benefit from a list of his publications, including one about to be published. It's basic information about someone - here's the person and this is what he's published (about to publish). Bibliographies are essential elements of biographies. However, I take your point that a list could get too long. I'm not sure if this one has though. I'll leave it up to others more knowledgeable about the person; perhaps the editor who added the new book in the first place.
31.52.163.154 (
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22:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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