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@ Iryna Harpy: Personally, I'm a pure Negro albeit turned white. And Chingachgook was an Afro-American person. For, according to Charles Darwin, we are all descended from monkeys in Africa. Hence it follows that Obama and Putin are relatives, albeit distant. Although this consistently scientific conclusion is fairly obvious, I don't think that Wikipedians are obliged to accompany their biographical articles with fundamental propositions of the theory of evolution according to which every notable person described in Wikipedia is of African origin. The same can seemingly be said as well about Mariano Sakic's striving to supplement the article by an inquiry into Zhanna's genealogy. This endeavour which is due in the final count to an attempt to have a good gossip evokes a necessity again and again to remind that gossip finds its rightful place on Internet forums ( WP:Forum).
In contrast to
Mariano Sakic's mere assertions and sweeping generalisations, your considerations anent the Ottoman Empire merit close attention. One must agree with you that it was a different epoch in human history. It is impossible not to acknowledge that the epoch you are talking about has sunk into oblivion along with the Tatar yoke. As you justly remark, the scientific philosophical summing-up and comprehension of the achievements of natural science presuppose adequate methods of investigation and are therefore irreconcilably hostile to unsubstantiated speculations about the spreading of mankind throughout the planet. You are also right in recognising that only those research workers whose primitive, not intellectually refined (без тонкости) frame of mind prevents them from applying the method of materialist dialectics are incapable of avoiding untenable conclusions (sometimes even ridiculous) and inevitably lapse into the mistakes of
vulgar materialism treating scientific discoveries (e.g. the mechanisms of functioning peculiar to mitochondrial DNA) in an oversimplified way. And yet some of your arguments seem vulnerable. Such, for example, is your sentence «It doesn't mean that I take any pride etc.» This requires explanation if only because such a claim discloses a position that adversely affects our knowledge of the past and, worse still, diminishes the importance of the ethnos you pertain to. For a proper understanding of your civic stance, it is necessary to elucidate the sense and meaning of the word «pride» employed in the given context. I entirely understand your reluctance to take credit for Tatar atrocities, but I can't conceive why the history of Tatar people makes you think of your own pride. Your feeling of pride which permeates your attitude to other nations can find a certain historical justification, but it is a profound error to assume that ethical emotions do not undergo historical changes. Being subject to the principle of development, socio-moral values and feelings exercise gradual transformation along with the progress of society which eventually moulds the mores of a concrete historical epoch. And that fully applies to the feeling of pride. It remains for me to add that you haven't updated your notions about
Pride and Prejudice yet. In the present-day cultural environment the pride of a new type evolved. It does not call for great penetration to discover that tame modern men of all nations take pride in Ukrainian women. That is obvious, in particular, from the example of
Muammar Gaddafi:
“ | Каддафи… развил бурную представительскую деятельность, разъезжая по европейским столицам... с отрядом телохранительниц-амазонок и украинских медсестер. | ” |
— Анатолий Егорин., Каддафи. Хроника убийства, Москва: Алгоритм, 2013.</ref> |
The drawing of a parallel between Ukrainian women and personal luxury cars is thus characteristic of contemporary social consciousness. This gives new meaning to the concept of pride.
-- Salam aleikum ( talk) 11:59, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
“A half-cocked response” – Aha, you went off at half-cock because you had not mulled over the Marxist theory of nations before you tackled a very important scientific question, viz., that of
Zhanna Nemtsova’s nationality. Your approach to this controversial and complicated issue borders on levity volatile disposition the naturalistic sociological conception of
Ludwig Gumplowicz who exaggerated the significance of the mixing of races and clearly underestimates the corresponding works of Lenin whose doctrine of the two tendencies in the national question is an efficacious antidote against the absolutist position of
ethnocentrism and provides the key to the decisive problems of the development of nations in the contemporary period. In order to prevent half-cocked responses in future, I refer you to his works on the topic: ‘The National Question in Our Programme‘, ‘The Working Class and the National Question‘, ‘Critical Remarks on the National Question‘, etc. These works must be read because philosophical weapons have to be sharpened in preparation for the fight against the ideological enemies (like
Mariano Sakic) of our encyclopaedia.
As you're raising some complex and interesting questions, I need to read through carefully…
Aha, plethora of words has nothing in common with dim-witted babble or fruitless, scholastic word-spinning, provided that profuse talk takes the form of caricatured Marxism. That is why the above abounds in important new theoretical ideas, exceptional precise observations and brilliant solutions of profound problems that have tormented thinking mankind for ages. This looks promising and the only disappointment is that you are in an ill humour.
In short, I regret to say that you're deliberatly misunderstanding me. Personally, I've already had enough of this idle talk. Besides, your grasp of English excites envy in me. I’m filled with admiration for the fact that an Ukrainian woman whose native language is Russian has learnt English so brilliantly. -- Salam aleikum ( talk) 10:35, 29 December 2016 (UTC)