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I have removed support for the deprecated |authors=
parameter from the sandbox:
Wikitext | {{cite book
|
---|---|
Live | Title. {{
cite book}} : Cite uses deprecated parameter |authors= (
help)
|
Sandbox | Title. {{
cite book}} : Unknown parameter |authors= ignored (
help)
|
This leaves us with |people=
and |credits=
as the only 'free-form' name-list parameters.
Support for |people=
is documented in {{
cite av media}}
, {{
cite mailing list}}
, {{
cite map}}
, {{
citation}}
. Search results:
|people=
:
|credits=
:
Support for |credits=
is documented in {{
cite episode}}
and {{
cite serial}}
. Search results:
|credits=
:
|people=
:
{{
cite episode}}
~90{{cite serial}}
~5It seems to me that {{cite mailing list}}
, {{cite map}}
, and {{citation}}
should not be using |people=
and |credits=
. No doubt there are templates that use |people=
and |credits=
aside from those mentioned here but similar searches to those above show relatively low usage counts; fewer than 100 articles for {{
cite book}}
, {{
cite journal}}
, {{
cite news}}
, and {{
cite web}}
combined. It seems to me that use of these two parameters should be limited to {{cite av media}}
, {{cite episode}}
, and {{cite serial}}
.
— Trappist the monk ( talk) 16:43, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
|people=
to {{
cite av media}}
, {{
cite episode}}
, and {{
cite serial}}
in the sandbox. |credits=
in the live module is already restricted to {{cite episode}}
and {{cite serial}}
.|others=
which flags CS1 maintenance if |author=
or |editor=
is not also listed.
{{
cite web}}
: CS1 maint: others (
link){{
cite web}}
, however, if a web page is cited in its entirety, and photographs are separately credited in a heavily-illustrated essay while the editorship is omitted.Testing {{
cite report}}, {{
cite tech report}}, and {{
cite thesis}} I find that |number=
, |docket=
, and |id=
are used inconsistently in an undocumented manner. (See also previous related discussion:
Cite report issue parameter not displaying (May 2023).)
In report and thesis, |number=
appears to not be used at all, while |docket=
and |id=
are aliases for an ending bare text in report, and separable parameters in thesis (with the word "Docket" prepended, unlike in report). Meanwhile, |number=
and |id=
are aliases in tech report, also mutually incompatible. Particularly problematic is that |id=
is specified as A unique identifier, used where none of the specialized identifiers are applicable
-- this is semantically distinct from all uses of |number=
in CS1, and from what appears to be their
documented metadata.
{{Cite_report |author=Alex |date=May 1999 |docket=DOC 27 |id=Celex 3334 |number=777 |publisher=BYU |title=Tango}}
{{ Cite_report}}
Alex (May 1999). Tango (Report). BYU. DOC 27.
{{ Cite_thesis}}
Alex (May 1999). Tango (Thesis). BYU. Docket DOC 27. Celex 3334.
Also, I suggest considering again the suggestion of @
Tcr25: from the linked previous discussion, that instead of outputting report number/docket at the end of the citation, it should follow the title and document type. Currently it outputs after page number, which only makes sense if it's an external catalogue identifier (like |id=
is usually used for) and not, as is often the case with technical reports, splashed across the front page as part of the title.
SamuelRiv (
talk) 22:16, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
{{
cite report}}
, {{
cite tech report}}
, and {{
cite thesis}}
are 'inconsistent'. Each of those templates was created at different dates by different editors:
{{
cite report}}
created 16 June 2008 by Editor
Cg-realms{{
cite tech report}}
created 7 February 2006 by Editor
Tizio{{
cite thesis}}
created 6 November 2009 by Editor
Fifelfoo{{
citation/core}}
; again at different dates and different editors:
{{cite report}}
: 15 February 2015{{cite tech report}}
: 9 November 2013{{cite thesis}}
: 9 November 2013{{citation/core}}
but when I migrated these templates to Module:Citation/CS1, the goal was to make the migration more-or-less transparent so differences among them inherited from their individual developmental paths were retained in the module version. No doubt, since those migrations, the individual templates have continued to differ and likely continued to diverge.Like this cite magazine from Maidenhead Locator System:
Tyson, Edmund, N5JTY (January 1989).
"Conversion between geodetic and grid locator systems" (PDF). QST Magazine. Newington, CT:
American Radio Relay League. pp. 29–30, 43. Retrieved 2018-03-09.{{
cite magazine}}
: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link) CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (
link)
Removing ".pdf" from the link makes the lock small again. AstonishingTunesAdmirer 連絡 02:17, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
background-size: contain;
made no difference for me, but disabling padding: 8px 18px 8px 0px;
set the smaller size. (using monobook skin) —
Jts1882 |
talk 14:40, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
padding: 8px 18px 8px 0px;
does not exist in
Module:Citation/CS1/styles.css.This larger padlock appears to have gone live in more skins as of today. I couldn't see it on Desktop in Vector 2022 until today. There is a new VPT thread about it. We may want to deploy this change to the live module ASAP. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 17:08, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Some magazines don't advertise the issue number as clearly on the front magazine, and it can take a lot of extra effort to find the correct issue if they are cited but missing important information. We may have to buy the magazine itself just to confirm the issue number and sometimes there is no issue number at all and they label the issue by month/date, or they will have it by Holiday. It would be easier to add an additional parameter specifically for the name of the issue.
<ref name="Famitsu">{{cite magazine |title= パタポン3 |issue=May 5, 2011 |magazine=[[Famitsu]] |language=Japanese |date=April 21, 2011}}</ref>
"パタポン3". Famitsu (in Japanese). No. May 5, 2011. April 21, 2011.
Looks awkward with the No. in front of it.
<ref name="Famitsu">{{cite magazine |title= パタポン3 |issue-name=May 5, 2011 |magazine=[[Famitsu]] |language=Japanese |date=April 21, 2011}}</ref>
"パタポン3". Famitsu (in Japanese). May 5, 2011 issue. April 21, 2011.
^^A proper issue name.
<ref name="Famitsu">{{cite magazine |title= パタポン3 |issue-name=May 5, 2011 |issue-Num=999|magazine=[[Famitsu]] |language=Japanese |date=April 21, 2011}}</ref>
"パタポン3". Famitsu (in Japanese). May 5, 2011 issue (No.999). April 21, 2011.
^^For both.
This will simplify things and make the citation easier to read. Blue Pumpkin Pie ( talk) 17:25, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
|publication-date=
would probably cover this use case without needing a new parameter:|issue=
blank. You can provide equivalent information by filling out |publication-date=
and converting the holiday into a date if necessary: "Christmas 2011" becomes "Dec 25, 2011", "Halloween 2011" becomes "Oct 31, 2011", etc. From what I can tell, Famitsu has the publication dates listed pretty prominently on all their magazine covers, so I think it should be clear at a glance which issue is being referenced. 〈
Forbes72 |
Talk 〉 01:16, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
<ref name="EGM">Electronic Gaming Monthly, Issue 223; HOL. 2007</ref>
<ref name="EGM">{{cite magazine|title=Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings|magazine=Electronic Gaming Monthly|issue=223|publication-date=Holiday 2007|page=87}}</ref>
{{
cite magazine}}
: Check date values in: |publication-date=
(
help)
I tried to describe jstor-access
as registration
, because the article in question could only be read if you signed up for a JSTOR account. But I got an error, and the template doc for cite journal
says that JSTOR can only be marked as free. While it's true that once you sign up for the site you can read 100 articles without paying, I think it's misleading to mark it as free access, when it isn't actually public. Is there logic behind this that I'm missing?
Pingnova (
talk) 17:51, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
|jstor=
, |doi=
, etc) are normally hidden behind some sort of paywall or registration barrier. Because that is the normal case, flagging those sources with |jstor-access=registration
, |jstor-access=limited
, or |jstor-access=subscription
is redundant and would add unnecessary clutter to the wikitext and to the rendered reference. When an occasional source at JSTOR is free-to-read, it is appropriate to mark that source with |jstor-access=free
.In CS1 style it appears a terminal period is included following exclamation and question marks, but is omitted following ellipses (3 dots) (for fields unenclosed in "quotation marks"):
I only found one previous post from 2023-11-22 on this. At issue is that no style guide that I know of, that uses terminal punctuation in citations, omits the punctuation following an ellipsis. MLA citation has the ellipsis follow the stop] while APA and Chicago precede a stop (but the latter two refs do not discuss citations). APA has a citation guideline using an ellipsis for 7+ authors without punctuation, but the ellipsis is within the author list and not terminal: "a_1, a_2, ... a_N.". The only style guide saying that an ellipsis should not add adjacent punctuation is Chicago's FAQ response on fiction style.
Regarding question or exclamation points and the citation style punctuation, they style guides get a bit more subtle. Generally (APA MLA and Chicago) citations usually have periods or commas be superseded by "stronger marks", but when the reading is more prose-like as in a bibliography entry, the comma is retained.
Given all this, I suggest removing the code that omits citation-style punctuation following 3-dot ellipses. SamuelRiv ( talk) 15:17, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Many magazines now have two ISSNs, one for print and one for Internet. In typical printed cites they are published with a comma in between. It would be great if the issn= parameter in {{ Cite journal}} would allow that, too. Викидим ( talk) 18:47, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
|eissn=
which already exists and can be used with |issn=
? And, really, do you need either issn? There are those who believe that issn is mere pointless clutter.Edit preview doesn't show an error if access-date
is earlier than date
parameter. —
hako9 (
talk) 01:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Is the agency parameter still working in the Cite book template? It is listed as an active template parameter on Template:Cite_book/TemplateData but the template is throwing up Unknown parameter errors, e.g. Template:Cite_OED_1933/doc Skullcinema ( talk) 14:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
[[Template:Cite_OED_1933/doc|here]]
→
here.|agency=
in templates that shouldn't support that parameter was removed as a result of
this discussion. |agency=
is defined for {{
cite news}}
, {{
cite press release}}
, and {{
cite web}}
. Also supported by {{
citation}}
when that template has |newspaper=
or |work=
.|agency=
in book citations in cleaning up CS1 errors. All the ones I have seen should instead have been |publisher=
. I have seen no evidence that |agency=
is actually a useful and meaningful parameter for these citations. —
David Eppstein (
talk) 02:09, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
|agency=
would you have another option for crediting the Society within the citation? —
Skullcinema (
talk) 15:55, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
|others=
be appropriate? e.g.Can we please not remove parameters breaking hundreds or thousands of article citations? The agency parameter was used in tons of {{
cite report}}
citations for weather-related articles citing NOAA government offices / agencies. Even if your argument is that these are "incorrect" or whatever, really seems bad to just break literally thousands of citations with no backup plan.
Master of Time (
talk) 09:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
{{
cite report}}
templates that have |agency=
and where the article, somewhere, contains the word 'weather'.|publisher=
us unnecessarily duplicated in |agency=
:
{{cite report|agency=National Centers for Environmental Information|title=Storm Events Database January 25, 2021|url=https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=938002|publisher=National Centers for Environmental Information|access-date=May 5, 2021|archive-date=May 10, 2021|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210510142454/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=938002|url-status=live}}
{{Cite report |url=https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=972354 |title=Pennsylvania Event Report: EF2 Tornado |publisher=National Centers for Environmental Information |agency=National Weather Service Weather Forecast Office in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania |year=2021 |accessdate=December 18, 2021 |archive-date=December 18, 2021 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20211218061648/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=972354 |url-status=live }}
The category
CS1 errors: unsupported parameter currently has more than 3000 pages listed, the majority for |agency=
. Some are fixable, but what about when the citation has something different for |publisher=
?.--
Auric
talk 13:06, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
|agency=
is not now, nor ever has been, an alias or synonym of |publisher=
. If the source is delivered by some provider other than the publisher, use |via=
to hold the name of the provider.|agency=
has been a shorthand name for a parameter holding the wire agency of a news story, to properly credit that the origin of a news article in a paper was the Associated Press/United Press International/Agence France-Presse/etc. and not the cited newspaper itself, with or without any additional reporter byline.
Imzadi 1979
→ 22:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)As the parameter |agency=
has been removed, how should the entry for it on
Template:Cite_book/TemplateData be corrected? Should it just be deleted from the table? —
Skullcinema (
talk) 16:06, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
Relatedly, Citation bot has recently been adding agency= to cite book templates: see User talk:Citation bot/Archive 38#Adds unknown parameter to CS1 and Special:Diff/1221981567. — David Eppstein ( talk) 19:26, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
SSRN 4700569 from Cyber Solidarity Act ( draft) is correct. The limit needs to be increased. Auric talk 13:49, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
It would be nice if the <i>...</i>
output around work titles, generated by |work=
and all its many aliases like |journal=
, |newspaper=
, etc., or generated by |title=
in {{
Cite book}}
, and probably a few other variations, had a specific CSS class, e.g. <i class="cs1-work-title">...</i>
, so that it can be targeted and re-styled. If those who personally cannot stand seeing website names and other non-dead-trees publications in italics had a simple one-line means of suppressing that effect, and could be pointed to CSS code they can just copy-paste into their global.css, then this would probably go a long way toward ending their defiance, their mis-placing of non-paper works' titles in |publisher=
or sometimes other parameters in an attempt to suppress italics. This is behavior that results in incorrect citations with the wrong info showing up in metadata parameters as well as inconsistent title display for the readers. Maybe even do <i class="cs1-work-title cs1-website-title">...</i>
so that the output of {{
Cite web}}
in particular can be more narrowly targeted. (In theory, it could be made extra-clever and auto-detect domain names, in case one is used in some other template, like {{
Cite news}}
.) It's annoying that this matter has been debated repeated, and resolved again and again in favor of using consistent italics for titles of major works per
MOS:TITLES, for over a decade now, yet various individual just do not abide by it. The community has no patience for a bunch more "style drama", so it seems the thing to do is simply to provide a technical "out". —
SMcCandlish
☏
¢ 😼 17:53, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
.cs1.web i
would already do this (modulo attempting to catch misuses of the system), since there are no other elements that are placed by the citation system in italic. I think though by your recent comment this would not have helped anyway since it appears that the user was doing so inadvertently and not because they're in the group of people who don't particularly like italic website names.
Izno (
talk) 21:01, 30 April 2024 (UTC)What do I do if I want to cite the booklet of an entire conference, rather than a specific paper in it? The only way no error is thrown is if I put the conference title in |title, don't use the |conference tag, and put the conference booklet URL in |url rather than |conference-url - but is then the formatting okay? Rontombontom ( talk) 10:43, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
I found a reference with |title=Data
today. It turned out to be a generic title (not the real title of the link) and probably should have been flagged as a generic title (it wasn't). —
David Eppstein (
talk) 01:29, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Template:Cite journal/doc has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Many electronic journals have switched from page numbers to article numbers, so for example I can cite to the last page of a 5-page article as:
So the hierarchy is work/journal, (series), volume, issue, article-number, page(s). (Usually issue is redundant, as article numbers are unique at least within volumes, just as many academic journals used to only restart page numbering per volume.) Many, many references in Wikipedia abuse the |page=
parameter to hold the article-number instead, because the editors didn't know about this parameter. This comes out looking okay in the formatting, but produces mangled metadata, and prevents citing to a specific page. (Usually, when editors need to cite to a specific page, they place the article-number in the |issue=
parameter instead.)
It would be easier for readers of the documentation (and less reference-correcting work for me) if volume, issue, article number, and page number were listed in that order, and as close together as possible, so that they appear together in the documentation as they appear together in the rendered output.
Specifically:
|article-number=
between |issue=
and |page=
.|article-number=
to the "most commonly used parameters" lists in the same position.|article-number=
to just after |issue=
(currently just before)Thank you! 97.102.205.224 ( talk) 18:00, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
This is from our testcases page, a bit simplified: Campbell, Lyle (1978). "Chicomuceltec's last throes". International Journal of American Linguistics. 44 (1): 228–230. doi: 10.1086/465548. ISSN 0020-7071..
The resulting URL from the ISSN link is https://search.worldcat.org/search?q=n2:0020-7071. I get an error message that says "Oops, something went wrong". When I use the advanced search to search for that ISSN, the URL I get is https://search.worldcat.org/search?q=n2%3A0020-7071. Strangely, when I click on that link from here, I get the "Oops" message. I am puzzled. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 04:13, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
|oclc=
.
Headbomb {
t ·
c ·
p ·
b} 04:23, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Is there any way to suppress the warning CS1 maint: unrecognized language
(without disabling them) in
Philippines citation [21] (Cobo, Juan; which uses |language=[[Philippine Hokkien|Early Manila Hokkien]] & [[Early Modern Spanish]]
). Another editor added the source so I am not sure if I change Early Modern Spanish to simply es
might make the citation less accurate. For Philippine Hokkien, I do not know what to use instead.
Sanglahi86 (
talk) 19:26, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
nan
and the template treats that as expected:
es-x-early-modern
which the template deals with by trimming to the es:
While looking through the parameters of Template:Cite magazine, I noticed that the 'others' parameter is the recommended means by which illustrators should be listed. As the 'authors' parameter was deprecated for not contributing to the citation's metadata, shouldn't a separate, optional 'illustrator' (aliases 'illustrator-last', 'illustrator-surname', 'illustrator1', 'illustrator1-last', 'illustrator1-surname', 'illustrator-last1', 'illustrator-last1'), 'illustrator-first' (aliases 'illustrator-given', 'illustrator1-first', 'illustrator1-given', 'illustrator-first1', 'illustrator-given1'), 'villustrators' ( Vancouver style), and 'display-illustrators' (to determine when et al. is added) parameters be added, to ensure documented magazine illustrators are searchable as metadata in a format similar to the ones established for authors and editors?
The 'others' parameter would still be kept, of course, as a catch-all parameter for any additional contributors. - CoolieCoolster ( talk) 23:36, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
The template documentation explicitly says that an access-date is not required for "links to published research papers or published books." That seems to be based on an assumption that "published research papers or published books" do not change after being published, at least not without an explicit identifier such as a new edition. That seems to be problematic because that assumption is not true. In particular, it seems to especially problematic with respect to articles that are changed or withdrawn after publication where the URL and title may not change but the contents do change, sometimes in very important ways. ElKevbo ( talk) 04:13, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
I recently encountered an error when trying to add this citation: <ref>{{cite book |editor1-last=Kelsey |editor1-first=Paul |contribution=Oberlin College |contributor-last=Lee |contributor-first=Diane |title=Profiles of Best Practices in Academic Library Interlibrary Loan |date=2009 |publisher=Primary Research Group |isbn=9781574401226 |pages=93–94}}</ref>
. It produces this:
[1]
References
{{
cite book}}
: |contributor=
requires |author=
(
help)
I am citing a portion of a chapter in a book that has only a primary editor, not a primary author (each chapter is authored by someone different), but using |contributor=
with |editor=
and no |author=
leads to an error message and the contributor not being displayed. What is the proper way to resolve this? Should I be using the parameters differently, or does the template/error detection need adjustment?
Sdkb
talk 16:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
|contributor=
/ |contribution=
pair in {{
cite book}}
is used when citing a contribution to a primary author's work: Anna Quindlen's introduction to Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice (
permalink). Because your example does not have a primary author but does have content authored by one-or-more contributors, I think you should treat the contributors as you would treat authors of an edited collection of independent chapters. Perhaps you can rewrite like this:
{{cite book |editor1-last=Kelsey |editor1-first=Paul |section=Oberlin College |last=Lee |first=Diane |title=Profiles of Best Practices in Academic Library Interlibrary Loan |date=2009 |publisher=Primary Research Group |isbn=978-1-57440-122-6 |pages=93–94}}
Or perhaps she considers her middle name to be a last name but she's not hyphenated.
But look what happens.
Lourgos AL (May 9, 2024). "New COVID 'FLiRT' variants are spreading nationwide. Chicago health experts urge up to date vaccination". Yahoo News. Retrieved May 14, 2024 – via Chicago Tribune.
Okay, it didn't happen. Let me go check.
Variants of SARS-CoV-2 As of right now, ref 116.
— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:16, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
|last=
to get "Leventis Lourgos A" in the citation, like this: Leventis Lourgos A (May 9, 2024).
"New COVID 'FLiRT' variants are spreading nationwide. Chicago health experts urge up to date vaccination".
Yahoo News. Retrieved May 14, 2024 – via
Chicago Tribune.
This page uses "Leventis Lourgos" as her last name, as does
this page and
WorldCat (though WC's site is mostly broken for me, so that link may be a 404 for you too). –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 19:59, 14 May 2024 (UTC)|agency=
for {{
cite magazine}}?
On
Special Force (2003 video game), I have a citation for a
Reuters wire story reprinted in
Wired. It used to be a {{
cite web}} and, as with newspaper articles in {{
cite news}}, I used |agency=
to denote Reuters as the corporate author that is not the work's publisher. However,
Citation bot converts Wired citations to {{
cite magazine}}, which does not support |agency=
. While I disagree with the automated conversion, using {{cite magazine}} here generally appears reasonable. Given the situation I outlined above, I think it would be valid for {{cite magazine}} to also support the parameter. The affected line in the Module is 3751. Kind regards,
IceWelder [
✉] 19:47, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
I have encountered to use of 10208486403 as an OCLC identifier. Help:CS1 errors says to report this situation here. Why is there a limit on the OCLC number? Seems like superfluous maintenance to me. User-duck ( talk) 22:34, 16 May 2024 (UTC)