This needs a clear image of a historical tryzub (
Volodymyr's trident) for the Druzhyna, I think. The ones we have are too modern-looking File:Trident 03.png, or reproduce badly at small size . —
MichaelZ. 2007-08-11 00:52 Z
UPA
book link considering this is a book on Ukraine's armies, and it includes them (and many other formations), deleting an army that are considered Ukrainian war veterans seems totally POV pushing. --Львівське (
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03:54, 21 January 2010 (UTC)reply
The book also listed
Wehrmacht,
Sicherheitsdienst and
SS and
Waffen-SS formations with "Ukrainians" enlisted. Can you suggest to add it also? Could you suggest a source(s) which suggest Stetsko's Regional governing as a "Ukrainian National state" (scholar source ОУН в 1941 році: документи: В 2-х ч Ін-т історії України НАН України К. 2006 ISBN 966-02-2535-0 - clearly state that this event has no relation to
Ukrianian statehood history). Same source would be nice for Borovets formation - UNRA. Thanks. I'll hope to see that sources. Thanks
Jo0doe (
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05:57, 28 September 2010 (UTC)reply
UPA is an incredibly important part of Ukrainian military history, call the short lived OUN state what you want, but keep your revisionist applied history off of here.--Львівське (
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06:04, 28 September 2010 (UTC)reply
WP:PROVEIT with
WP:RS. Bandera's OUN was not a state. See ОУН в 1941 році: документи: В 2-х ч Ін-т історії України НАН України К. 2006 ISBN 966-02-2535-0 page 14 "сміховарте "державне будівництво" , "Здоровий глузд не дозволяє вважати акт 30 червня 1941 року однім з епізодів державотворчої діяльності українського народу, " Again - same at page 19 - Треба відмовитися від розгляду акту 30 червня 1941 року як однієї з форм державотворчої діяльності українського народу. " Can you suggest
WP:RS which debunk
National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine scholars conclusion and provide suggested by you conclusion? Thanks
Jo0doe (
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07:20, 28 September 2010 (UTC)reply
Can you provide a scholar source(s) which suggest a) UPA and UPRA as Armies of
Ukraine b) "Ukrainian National state" really exist c) UIA-OUN(b) existance in 1941-1955. - See
WP:PROVEIT for more details
Jo0doe (
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07:21, 29 September 2010 (UTC)reply
The project of creating its own Soviet military has failed early on years before the formation of the
Soviet Union. The Ukrainian SSR did not have its own military, but rather what was known as Soviet military which essentially was the Russian military.
Aleksandr Grigoryev (
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02:35, 13 February 2011 (UTC)reply