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Comment: Really open to suggestions for improving hook, I'm not sure if it's reasonable to expect people to know what an esim is. Also it doesn't talk about why they don't have access or that the founder discovered this way to connect people, something that apparently hadn't been done before. Also I'll try and find a more recent statistic for the number of people connected.
1669 prose characters; nominated within less than a week of creation; interesting hook; Guardian is RS; no plaigarism. I have added a WP link to the eSIMs so that anyone unfamiliar could check what that is; but I think most readers would be familiar, so should be no problem. Also added WP link to the Gaza Strip. This is GTG. Makeandtoss (
talk) 13:04, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Following discussions at
Template:Did you know nominations/Mirna El Helbawi and
WT:DYK, I have converted the aforementioned DYKnom into a multi-hook including this nomination. If and when that is passed, this nomination can be procedurally rejected.
CMD (
talk) 06:01, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
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Chipmunkdavis: Will this multi-hook be featured for a longer time? If not, I would prefer the two remain separate hooks.
Makeandtoss (
talk) 09:04, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
I would propose this hook: ALT1: ... that Palestinian journalist
Hind Khoudary was the first person in the
Gaza Strip to have been connected with donated eSIMs through the Connecting Humanity initiative?
Makeandtoss (
talk) 17:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi
AirshipJungleman29 and
Makeandtoss thank you for the reminder and the suggestion. I suggest.... that Palestinian journalist
Hind Khoudary was the first person in the
Gaza Strip to have been connected with donated eSIMs through the Connecting Humanity initiative, and since then at least 200,000 people living there (around 10% of the population) have been connected in the same way? I know this is quite long but I think its really important to quantify the scale of what they have done. Thanks again
John Cummings (
talk) 18:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
That hook is a) far too long (260 characters, whereas the absolute maximum is 200), b) very similar to the
Mirna El Helbawi hook, and c) "quantifying the scale of what they have done" is completely irrelevant to the point of DYK
John Cummings. Review needed for ALT1.
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (
talk) 18:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Then ALT3: ... that Palestinian journalist
Hind Khoudary was the first person in the
Gaza Strip to have been connected with donated eSIMs through the Connecting Humanity initiative out of 200,000?Makeandtoss (
talk) 19:04, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Makeandtoss and
AirshipJungleman29 thanks very much again, I'd like to propose ALT4 which hopefully is clearer to non technical people and makes it obvious they were cut off and this project is reconnecting them: ALT4: ... that Palestinian journalist
Hind Khoudary was the first of over 200,000 people in the
Gaza Strip to be reconnected to the internet with an
eSIMs donated through the Connecting Humanity initiative?John Cummings (
talk) 00:21, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Yup. I have struck ALT3 and ALT4, so the choice is ALT1 (which needs a full review) or rejection.
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (
talk) 12:25, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Alt1 is unique and should be fine.
Makeandtoss (
talk) 13:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Article says "The first people she was able to connect through eSIMs were Egyptian journalist Ahmed El-Madhoun and Palestinian journalist Hind Khoudary." This is not the same as the hook. And what makes ref #8 reliable, given the tag on it?--Launchballer 17:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Editing accordingly to ALT2: ... that Palestinian journalist
Hind Khoudary was among the first two people in the
Gaza Strip to have been connected with donated eSIMs through the Connecting Humanity initiative? As for reference 8 it isn't used as source for unique information since the same sentence is sourced to three other references; the instagram post is just added as extra reference, so this shouldn't be an issue.
Makeandtoss (
talk) 20:07, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Then you shouldn't have a problem with taking it out. (If I had my way, hooks would either need be cited to a single source or separated with a note saying exactly which bit comes from where.) ALT2 could do with a copyedit; should probably say what they're connected to, and should probably link
eSIM.--Launchballer 22:24, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
ALT3 is short enough, cited, and interesting. I've reworded one section for close paraphrasing, but otherwise this is ready to roll.--Launchballer 08:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)