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Hmm. This article should have a bit more about the general ambience of Zork. A few catchphrases, what it feels like to play. It's been too long for me to really remember, since I only played the game a few dozen times. (Moria all the way for me :) -- Cimon Avaro on a pogostick
I've just created and added the Zork universe template sidebar (based on the Myst franchise one), which contains links to many of the Zork-related articles. It's designed to go on all the Zork pages. I hope this will be seen as a positive addition to the page, and not "clutter". I'm going to refrain from adding it to all the other pages until it receives some sort of approval. — EatMyShortz 03:20, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Zorkmid looks wrong, there is a big empty space before the rest of the content begins - I almost missed it. Is there a way to fix that? Grue 11:26, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I've created stubs for Sorcerer and Spellbreaker because I couldn't stand the red links on every page. However I don't really know anything about these games. If you do, go and add some information. — EatMyShortz 23:56, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
For some reason, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth whenever I see the individual Zork games redirecting to this page. Is there any argument against reducing this to a page discussing the history and "flavor" of the series in general, and creating an individual article for each of the three games? - DynSkeet 14:56, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
Okay i tried to install it but i'm receiving some weird messages. Is this game made for dos? Or do I need some kind of interpreter/emulator ? Thanks Xhami
This article currently links to http://www.csd.uwo.ca/Infocom/ stating: "These downloaded games can be played on almost any platform using an appropriate Z-machine interpreter."
The Zork Trilogy is NOT freeware. Activision made downloads of the games available as a promotion following the release of Zork: Nemesis and Zork Grand Inquistor. Each download contained the following license:
GRANT. Activision, Inc. ("Activision") hereby grants you a non-exclusive license to use the accompanying computer game, Zork: The Great Underground Empire, provided that you may not:
a. modify or create derivative works based on the Game;
b. copy the Game (except for back-up purposes);
c. rent, lease, transfer or otherwise transfer rights to the Game;
d. or remove any proprietary notices or labels on the Game.
Sweetandy: Brief note, man! If you simply place your own copy (not a copy you make) in your webserver folder, other people can download it without you ever doing any copying. Also, you aren't transfering any rights at all; you're transfering the game. Yar.
After C|Net published an article that listed the Zork Trilogy among the Top 10 freeware games ( http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6464_7-6300449-1.html), I phoned Activision's legal department to ask if the games were really free when the license clearly states that the game can't be copied. They replied:
Back when we released either Zork: Nemesis, Return to Zork, Zork Undiscovered Underground, Zork: Grand Inquisitor and Zork 0 (all of which were back in the mid 90's), Activision did a sort-of "promotion" to help boost interest in the "new Zork" title. They released for a very short time, the three (3) Zork titles for D/L off their website.
As the "new Zork" title fazed away, Activision removed the titles from their website. Hence, the user could no longer download the games.
Since then ALOT of people have READ INTO this as being that we've essentially given these particular titles away, and that we have no interest in them. (ie- "Hey! They're giving it away.")
This simply isn't the case.
You'll also note that MOST, if not ALL of the Infocom titles are considered to be Public Domain as well, which also isn't the case.
They also said that they "reserve all our rights to pursue any legal measures we deem appropriate against the offending site(s)." I contacted C|Net and they contacted Activision to confirm. They removed the link with the following explanation:
Editor's note: CNET has been advised by Activision that the company's release of the original Zork titles was a limited promotion, and that the company "has since removed them from that 'free' status." As such, we have removed the download link that was originally presented here.
The Zork games on that site are still under copyright and cannot legally be distributed. Activision is a member of the ESA. Wikipedia should NOT be encouraging piracy by linking to this site. The University of Western Ontario, Activision and the ESA are now aware of the copyright infringement on that site, so hopefully Wikipedia can continue to link to the page for its valuable information once the illegal downloads have been removed.
In the meantime, anyone wishing to help make the Zork Trilogy available again, either for sale or as freeware, can sign the Zork Trilogy Petition.
If they don't sell it and they don't let us copy it and they don't let us download it, what do they expect us to do?! The reason for copyrights is so A) they won't lose profits and B) no one else will steal it and make money off it. They don't sell it any more so they aren't making profits anyway and no one else has stolen it and is selling it for money. It's abandonware, and while it's true that there's no legal standing for abandonware, there should be. If they don't want to sell it to us, then we're just going to copy it for free! 71.10.48.39 ( talk) 14:04, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
PS: I removed the link to the petition because it's blacklisted by Wikipedia. 71.10.48.39 ( talk) 14:04, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
The link to Bruce Daniels in the first paragraph of the page is wrong. I know Bruce Daniels (or knew him 25 years ago, anyway...) and I can assure you he is not an African-American, openly gay standup comedian who opens for Margaret Cho. Trust me. — Dimwit Flathead the Excessive 19:56, 20 Jan 2006 (UTC)
Who's with me on thinking that Zork could very well have its own Wiki? I'd be willing to start it up.
Sweetandy: I was going to do this, but I didn't because of the copyright issues I found in the back of the Encyclopedia Frobozzica. The first run of the wiki was going to be the Frobozzica, and the rest was going to be additional knowledge as found by fans. But the idea went down when, although there are MANY COPIES OF THE ENCYCLOPEDIA FROBOZZICA ONLINE ALREADY, there are copyright laws concerning it in the back of the Frobozzica itself. I have a letter ready to send in to Activision, but my new printer refuses to print envelopes properly and I'm not hand-writing this business letter requesting the rights to put the Frobozzica on the internet with the intention of linking directly to the Activision website and stating that the rights are Activisions and Activision alone... blah de blah... but they're going to say no, I garuntee you, so give up now. I'll post back if it ever happens.
TiddlyWiki seems to be the best for this kind of project, though, if it does ever happen.
Where's a walkthrough of Zork?! 15:51, 7 May 2006 (UTC) (by the way I put 5 tildes there on PURPOSE hahaha)
ΧYLOPHONE!!! XYLOPHONE!!!
Check out the if Archive at [ifarchive.org/if-archive/games]. If that looks a little daunting, try Baf's Guide, or just google 'walkthrough zork'. The first result I came up with had a good walkthrough. 14:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC) (by the way I put 4 tildes in there on PURPOSE... not that anyone cares hint hint...)
Did anyone else know that Uncyclopedia has a Zork minigame? It can be found here: [1]
Not much is known about it, since only a Japanese-language release was published, but some intrepid delver should be able to unearth more information and complete this page on the series. If it helps, it was also released as a two-game pack with Return to Zork for those late consoles. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pseudo Intellectual ( talk • contribs) 09:13, 7 January 2007 (UTC).
Well, no one here was of any help, but we got a stub entry for it up at Mobygames. Something to make reference to if anyone does decide to take it on here. Cheers! Pseudo Intellectual 02:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
http://i7-dungeon.sourceforge.net/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/i7-dungeon
Should this be included in the article somehow? 75.49.115.72 ( talk) 15:28, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Is there any 'chronology' order according to which the games take place? For example Zork Zero must take place before the trilogy, being a prequel. What about the Wishbringer and the Enchanter trilogy? Do they take place before, after, or sometime in-between the episodes? Pictureuploader ( talk) 17:33, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
To User:76.126.21.8: a number of different editors have changed your wording or removed your entry over the past few weeks. Personally, I think it's acceptable as an External Link, but apparently not everyone agrees. I realize that reverts and even edits can be frustrating, but that's just a fact of life if you edit at Wikipedia. My advice is to argue your points here, on the talk page, and not in the text of the article itself (like this).
If you believe this is a good link, and someone removes it, make your case here. I, for one, will likely back up your position (unless someone else makes a more compelling argument, that is). If you feel that your wording is superior to something that replaces it, then again you should come here to argue your case. Good luck. -- Transity ( talk • contribs) 19:21, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
^^ The link was being removed or the description being changed and it is MY entry. I don't go to wikipedia and modify data that isn't mine nor does anyone outright have the right to just change it to how they please. I don't know where you were looking, but I do not have a download of ZGI. As for the infocom games being on there, well then perhaps you should go and try to complain to the hundreds of sites that allow you to play it online for free...
^^ I also find it humorous that my link is being removed but the first 3 links on the wiki page are for "illegal" copies or playable online copies of Zork 1-3, I'll promptly remove them for violation of the wiki, the same reason my site is being removed. —Preceding
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^^ Ive calmed down a bit thanks to Transity. My complaints here were simple, I was simply defending the fact that coming straight from the horses mouth so to speak, I felt that I was the best person for making the description. Its clear no one owns the rights to the page, but then I know thats a lie, there are plenty of people who do feel they are in charge and edit it to their liking. I simply was changing my link and only my link. Furthermore the link had been there for years without any issues, but now for some reason everyone seems to be in a huff over the fact that I want to edit my link description and theres others that feel they like something better. This is like a 2 year olds argument... if its not yours then why edit it at all? Legality is another issue altogether when it comes to abandonware, I am a firm believer about warez being illegal, I havent done any for 5 years. I love Zork and have run my site for a long time and just want to share the experiences with others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.126.21.8 ( talk) 18:56, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
In this edit an anonymous editor noted that Nowhere Gaming is working on an RPG Maker remake of the Zork titled. I removed it under the grounds that it was fan content. The editor replied on my talk page; I'm moving his reply here so that others can voice their opinions. — Alan De Smet | Talk 01:59, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Sorry Nowhere Gaming, but I hate to tell you that using wikipedia seems to be a WASTE of time. If you notice all the talk about my Zork Library link being removed (see above) you'll understand how contrived it is. The bottom line is that several people feel as though they are in charge of content on wikipedia(eg. Zork) when they are in fact NOT, they forget the simple fact that the content is not owned and so you technically have the right to add/edit the content as you see fit even if they do not like it. The site is supposed to be community based but all I have seen is BS in actually letting that be the case. Good luck Nowhere Gaming but you're wasting your breath. 76.126.21.8 ( talk) 09:36, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
If "Zork" means "unfinished program," then the whole Universe is one big Zork. Das Baz. Das Baz 18:07, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
'certain on-screen hint pages were "intentionally left blank."' (diff) Can anybody provide a citation? Could this have anything to do with the name Mark Blank? Paradoctor ( talk) 16:42, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
The article contradicts itself over the reason for the name revert to Zork, the top paragraph says Dungeons and Dragons and the Bottom says Dungeons!. Which is correct? 88.111.146.238 ( talk) 23:40, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Just two cents here folks: the conflict was with the board game " Dungeon!" that TSR, which also sold D&D, was selling. Pseudo Intellectual ( talk) 22:34, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
I was going to add a link to the Zork I twitter account and it's corresponding @textadventurer account to the External Links sections. Is a pop-culture reference appropriate or is this unencyclopedic? Jghaines ( talk) 08:30, 15 July 2012 (UTC)