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I'm the one who put in the references to the Labaqui letter, but I'd love to see the article updated with more correct information with a more credible reference source.
RedSpruce22:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I can cite the IRS closing agreement and other sources to show that this is a false claim, but it seems like such a large dump of information that I'd prefer not to clutter the article with. I'll try to think of a simple, polite way of saying the Ms. Labaqui's letter is not quite accurate... :)
AndroidCat22:45, 10 November 2007 (UTC)reply
I think you summarized the info nicely above. It just needs a source and something like: "However, [some source] shows that Hubbard's estate was folded into..."
RedSpruce00:55, 11 November 2007 (UTC)reply
This article either needs a lot more citations/sources - or just to cut out all unsourced content, and move it to the talk page until sources are found.
Cirt (
talk)
10:23, 29 February 2008 (UTC)reply
The introduction of this article is too short. Per
WP:LEAD, the intro section should be an adequate summary of the article. However, as a large portion of the article is still unsourced, that must be dealt with first.
Cirt (
talk)
15:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC)reply
The
WP:LEAD guidelines state that for articles of less than 15K length, as this one is, "one or two paragraphs" is an appropriate length for a lead. You may feel that the intro should be longer for stylistic reasons, but that's a judgement call, and not a matter of meeting a clear-cut guideline. Therefor the tag is inappropriate.
RedSpruce (
talk)
15:23, 29 February 2008 (UTC)reply
From
WP:LEAD: The lead serves a dual role both as an introduction to the article below and as a short, independent summary of the important aspects of the article's topic. -- In its present state, the article's intro section does not do this. It is currently not a "short, independent summary of the important aspects of the article's topic". I'll add the tag back until that is the case.
Cirt (
talk)
15:38, 29 February 2008 (UTC)reply
Please be specific about what you think is missing from the intro. To my eye, it is a "short, independent summary of the important aspects of the article's topic" (that's what I meant by "judgement call" above). OTOH, I don't think any harm would be done by lengthening it, but before I do so I'd like to have your input on what you think it needs.
RedSpruce (
talk)
15:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)reply
...And I'm not sure that it should be. I'm not aware of any requirement that the topic of every subsection of an article has to be mentioned in the lead.
RedSpruce (
talk)
16:18, 29 February 2008 (UTC)reply
It should be, at least briefly. Per
WP:LEAD: The lead section should briefly summarize the most important points covered in an article in such a way that it can stand on its own as a concise version of the article.Cirt (
talk)
16:21, 29 February 2008 (UTC)reply
Your discussion/debating style leaves something to be desired. When someone expresses doubt about the validity of an opinion of yours, simply repeating that opinion, and expressing it as fiat, doesn't give the other person much reason to reconsider -- or to respect the depth of thought you've given to the issue.
However, I've given this some more thought without your help. My concern was that it would be a violation of
WP:NPOV#Undue weight for the intro to stress something negative or controversial about this contest, when it enjoys a very favorable reputation in the SF community. But I think a fair way of covering that would be to add the following sentence: The contest enjoys a favorable reputation in the science fiction community, although its connection with the
Church of Scientology has caused some controversy.
To
RedSpruce (
talk·contribs) - Let me be clear: I apologize if I came off as brusque at all, that was not intended. You really didn't explain specifically how I could improve my manner of commenting or precisely what you interpreted that you felt could have been addressed better - but I acknowledge that I may have been a bit brash, and for that, I am sorry. The wording you gave as an example above sounds perfect, actually, a good summary of the article, per
WP:LEAD. Again,
RedSpruce (
talk·contribs), I apologize if I came across as brash, that was not my intention. My intention was to cite the section from
WP:LEAD where I drew my assertion about the nature of the Intro/Lead section and what is needed there. I'm sorry,
Cirt (
talk)
19:31, 29 February 2008 (UTC)reply
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