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Won't add them myself because I don't feel comfortable editing such a collaborative article, but here are several if someone wants to pick up the glove the timeline should really include something about Dorit Aharonov, Dana Moskovich, Orna Kupferman and Irit Dinur. All four are internationally recognized researchers in computation theory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.65.153.13 ( talk) 19:15, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Adding Meg Whitman? I would think that Bill Gates would be on a typical list of famous men in computer science. Or am I wrong about that? If not, it seems that Meg Whitman and other women in business related to computers belong on the list here of "famous" women. - SteveMetsker
Add Marissa Mayer?
Marissa Ann Mayer (born on 30 May 1975) is the Vice President of Search Product and User Experience at American search engine company Google.
Mayer was the first female engineer hired at Google and one of their first 20 employees, joining the company in early 1999.
one reads A report from the Computing Research Association indicated that the number recently fell below 20%, from nearly 40% 15 prior. [3]
which points to http://www.cra.org/statistics/ from where we can find http://www.cra.org/info/taulbee/women.html
which if you read it does not say about fall but the OPPOSITE!-- Nkour 17:38, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
I don't feel that the content in Women, girls and information technology really belongs here. The decline of women's involvement in the computer and information technology field is a separate issue that's the focus of several studies. The focus of this article seems better suited to talk about famous women in the field and (perhaps) professional resources for the women that participate in it today. Maura Dailey 20:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and removed the merge template - it looks like it never actually got removed :) Leigh Honeywell ( talk) 04:05, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I Agree -Please do not merge. These are absolutely distinct topics. I, for instance, came to this page in order to find organizations for women in computing, and I do in fact see those on this page. It's very logical. That logic would be lost if the page were merged with the page on Women, girls and information technology. 209.251.153.11 ( talk) 18:53, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
I think this would be better in chronological order. Any comments? JulesH 14:49, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Maybe we should unify the criteria to choose which is the date selected as an entrance of new women inside the timeline. By looking at the current timeline it appears that many dates refer to the moment when those women have achieved a significant contribution to computer sciences and computing development. This is mostly food for thought. : Spideralex ( talk) 19:26, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
Would Mitchell Baker, current President of Mozilla Foundation and CEO of Mozilla Corp count as famous? Frankchn ( talk) 05:08, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Several issues were not discussed as why women may eschew computer science as a career choice.
All in all, women (and men) who are smart enough to be a computer science are smart enough to see that computer science may not be a good career choice for anyone who wants a life that involves a family, or even a life. The high tech community is not family friendly and very unforgiving of those who have a family or are not driven to "own their job". This is an industry wide problem that is devoid of childcare facilities and increasingly less health care the further one gets away from the top companies. As more competition from overseas comes into play, wages and benefits will decrease, thus making a computer science career choice for women even more unattractive. Other, non-computer science professions are more forgiving of people taking sabbaticals and smart women are more likely to seek those choices. What needs to be done to attract more women into computer science is to improve equal pay, flexible work hours, childcare, career re-entry, re-education, maternal leave, and health benefits in all high tech companies. This would reassure women that computer science is a valid career choice and not just a horse race. Septagram ( talk) 04:08, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
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In addition to these reasons, readers should also consider lack of awareness as a possible deterrent. Young girls at the elementary and secondary academic levels are not exposed to computing in the same way and degree that they would be to other subjects (i.e. biology, drama, math, etc.). When we look to countries in the east where participation is almost equally distributed between the sexes, we should ask why. One of the contributing factors in this shift between west and east is that many of these eastern countries are more technologically advanced where massive technology R&D investments are made. Computing and technology in these countries has become more of 'a way of life' and so the awareness is there.
I happened upon the IT industry somewhat haphazardly. While I'm passionate about the field and enjoy exploring it both academically and professionally, I'm confident that had a guidance counselor, peer or parent mentioned the opportunities and benefits of the field, I may have made a more conscious decision to be a part of it.
This is start of my entry, separated from the unsigned comment of someone else above --
No mention also about other things:
The article fails to mention that at least in US, women are strongly favoured over men when recruited into faculty STEM position ( http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2015/04/08/1418878112.long)
The whole entry does not list a lot of relevant papers investigating the gender gap in STEM and concluding that whateverprevents women from entering STEM, it is something which acts before the high school. 31.1.173.229 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:45, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Judging by the graph given, it seems that the rise and decline of women in CS can be completely explained by the rise and decline of all people in CS (the graph shows that males rose and declined at exactly the same times as women and seemingly proportionally). Giving an idea of the change of male/female ratio may be more important.
-- 66.189.98.178 ( talk) 08:18, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Concur: I agree that they should provide a ratio rather than the overall numbers. Graphs such as that may allow more people to believe that the number of women in CS is proportional to the decline in CS enrollment overall and that the gap is not increasing. Although it looks as though that graph has been removed, I believe it is important to accurately depict the increasing gender gap so that it will not be overlooked and change can be made in the field. An article mentioned in the New York Times provides a better overview (with accurate graph) that shows this disparity: What Has Driven Women Out of Computer Science?.
Torontostudent24 ( talk) 17:04, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
I have my doubts about the 'co-inventor' claim-- in an interview she gave (citation needed..), she disavowed any real involvement with the invention/patent, and it done as more of a courtesy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.14.156.195 ( talk) 03:02, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I propose that Women, girls and information technology and Women in the Information Age should be merged here. The first is an essay-like article that is essentially a content fork (computing=information technology) and the second is a non-notable research project. Fences& Windows 19:34, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
No discussion after two years... I guess that means no-one's interested, but for what it's worth, I think these articles should be merged. Women, girls and information technology probably wasn't a content fork when it was created, but as it stands, these two articles both cover the same subject matter. It makes sense to bring them together into one comprehensive article, surely? (As for Women in the Information Age, it doesn't even seem worth a mention in this article. I'd be in favour of deleting it entirely.) DoctorKubla ( talk) 17:00, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
It's an article which focuses on the lack of women in computing. The Overview, Attracting women into computer science, Gender theory and women in computing, and International perspective all ride a serious bummer which should live on another page. I went to this page to read about women in computing. Not why women are not in computing to the same proportion as men.
See the stereotype threat effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat
Can I get a witness? Can someone help fix this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rcmulcrone ( talk • contribs) 19:09, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
"Global concerns" is vague. Is there a specific desire (on whose part, then?) to increase the percentage of women in computing? It's 20% in the USA. And if that is to be the main focus of the article, maybe it should be labeled differetly, e.g., strategies for reducing the gender gap. I don't care if 90% of the article is about this, as long as it's labeled properly.
Also, if Lovelace is going to be used as an illustration, bear in mind that her notes about an algorithm that could have been programmed on Babbage's machine are controversial. Some people say that your instructions are a computer program, whether or not you ever ran it on a machine; others insist that a plan for a program, however detailed and useful, remains a plan until translated into a specific computer language. Until then, it's an idea for a program, possible a wonderful idea ... but not a program. This might, paradoxically, discourage high school girls from becoming programmers because she only wrote about it and never got to do it. Grace Hopper might be a better role model. But we must be careful not to ***do*** advocacy here; rather, we ***report*** on other people's advocacy.
Anyway, I changed "misconceptions" to concepts. Much of computing, in the software development industry, actually does involve sitting in front of a computer writing code. Not all day, of course, but it is the central aspect of the job. It may be that women aren't as willing as men to do this. Now if we'd like to write about the other aspects of computing, such as discussing ideas with others, that's fine. But I didn't see anything in the cited New York Times article to show that the "lone programmer in a cubicle" image is a is a misconception. Joel Sposky and Steve McConnell both recommend private offices for programmers, where he (or she) can work undisturbed for long stretches of time. -- Uncle Ed ( talk) 12:30, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
1/ Some of the dates on the time line are wrong, off by a decade is some cases.
2/ Major gaps: people, topics, relation to world events are missing.
3/ Too much historical emphasis on the recent. Some of the women's roles were more managerial and economic (e.g., Meg) rather than technical. If you are comparing with Bill Gates: are you jealous, simply because he is a billionaire or because of his early technical skill writing a BASIC interpreter which made him a billionaire?
4/ Reference material in general is 21st century.
5/ Watch more for honors, titles and award for older folk, but be mindful of the young. 99.11.227.190 ( talk) 19:12, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
6/ The section titled 'Worldwide timeline' appears to have limited itself almost completely without exceptions ( but: Mehvish Mushtaq, Frances Brazier ) to listing Anglophone women from the US and the UK for work done in the US and UK. Perhaps one could start here: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/in-romania-vestiges-of-communism-boost-women-in-tech — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.137.38.59 ( talk) 13:11, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
The section "Organizations for women in computing" is becoming a bit of a spam magnet. Stricter inclusion criteria would help to deal with this. I suggest limiting the list to notable organisations only – ie. those that have their own WP article. DoctorKubla ( talk) 08:58, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
The timeline of women in computing is suffering from a bit of an identity crisis – it's trying to be both a "timeline of women in computing" and a "list of famous women in computing" at the same time. Which results in a bit of a mess, because the two are not synonymous. A timeline is usually understood to be a list of significant, landmark events, but not every notable woman in computing was involved in such an event. Entries like " Phyllis Fox worked on the PORT portable mathematical/numerical library" or " Sally Floyd (~1953–), is most renowned for her work on Transmission Control Protocol" just don't belong in a timeline; they would, however, belong in a list of notable women. We need to decide which type of list we want this to be.
In the meantime, I'm going to remove the following entries, where neither the event nor the people involved appear to be significant:
If anyone objects to this, feel free to revert me and we can discuss it. But I'm mainly hoping to encourage discussion of my broader question: should this list be a timeline of events, or simply a list of famous women? DoctorKubla ( talk) 08:22, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Please do not assume that a lack of an article on someone mean a lack of notability. The most often cause for that is that the person or his/her field have been overlooked by editors. No objection, however, to remove events which do not say much about the development of computing. Dimadick ( talk) 06:24, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
where's sandy lerner? co-founder of cisco should be in the list, if there has to be a list.
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Where's Kateryna Yushchenko? /info/en/?search=Kateryna_Yushchenko_(scientist) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.152.38.31 ( talk) 09:53, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
Even as they discuss discrimination and bias against women, they often themselves read like they're written by gender biased ideologues. There seems to be a gynocentric focus on women at this encyclopedia. What about African Americans in science, technology, engineering and mathematics (or computing, or whatever) or hispanics, or any other racial or ethnic minority groups for that matter? Are they not considered as important of a topic for an encyclopedia? I'm addressing here a potential favouritism shown towards women as an historically disadvantaged group that I think needs some attention at this encyclopedia. It's as important for an encyclopedia not to show favourtism towards a certain group as it is for an encyclopedia not to be biased. I would appreciate any comments about this.
(It's no one's fault that the vast majority of the editors and writers here are men, but I am wondering if there exists a possible, and completely needless, "guilt trip" on the part of many male editors here as the cause for this favouritism towards articles on women; I only bring this up because surely there has to be some explanation, pyschological or otherwise, as to why there is so much attention given here at Wikipedia to only women in almost every aspect of life and yet so little given to any other groups of people. Just a possible psychological explanation for this obvious discrepancy.) Alialiac ( talk) 11:46, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
I believe this page is still having an identity crisis. Is it a page about how women are underrepresented or is it a page about the history of women in computing? Judging from the title I would say the history of women in computing but judging from the content I would say it is an article about how women are underrepresented with a foot note about the history. Reading through the table of contents and looking back at the title of the article I was confused. I am doing research for a school assignment. I believe that if I was looking into why there are so few women in Computer Science this article may help. However I agree with the earlier comment on how “Decline of Women in CS” has decreased proportionately with the number of men in the profession. I believe this article draws too much attention to the fact that the number of women in the Computer Science field has recently decreased and does not draw enough attention to the fact that at the same time the number of males in the field has proportionately decreased as well. I believe that the information in this article is important but I think that the title and the content do not match. The title suggests a general understanding of the topic but the table of contents communicates that the article is all about how women are underrepresented in the field and progressively becoming more of a minority. Please give me feedback the whole reason I am writing this is to try to expand my understanding of the issue. Colinqb ( talk) 18:02, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Lots of this article is "gender theory" speculation not backed by soild research. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.114.88.111 ( talk) 15:02, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
This was exactly my impression. For example, in a section on "diversity benefits" no papers with a contrary views were quoted, giving an impression that the results are uncontested, while quick scholar google shows that the effects of gender diversity are still debated, with many papers supporting positive, negative or neutral, or non-linear effect of gender diversity. I added to references to correct this, but a lot more work would have to be put into the entry, as it currently sounds more like propaganda entry than encyclopedia. Why? Again, because it references no papers providing contrasting views, and many references to reports published by partisan organisation advocating for more gender diversity. 31.1.173.229 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:20, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
There are two things wrong with this section heading in the article. Firstly, it suggests that English Wikipedia is only read or written by Americans, neither of which is true. Secondly, it suggests that Native Americans are not Americans, but live in some other country entirely!-- greenrd ( talk) 14:58, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Two pages covering the same topic. The 'technology industry' is a slightly wider scope than 'computing' but the article exclusively discusses computing jobs. ― Padenton | ☎ 02:22, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
I just removed a couple of paragraphs that were added by User:Abickel in February 2014. Some of this content was taken from page 917 of the Encyclopedia of Gender and Information Technology, and I thought it was a fair assumption that the rest was copied from somewhere too (especially given the word-for-word repetition of the same sentence in both paragraphs). Looking through the revision history, I noticed that quite a lot of content has been added by users (like Abickel) with few or no other edits outside of this article – if anyone has the time and the inclination, its probably worth checking this article thoroughly for further copyright violations. DoctorKubla ( talk) 11:05, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Here is a quote from the page "The same effect is seen in higher education; for instance, only 4% of female college freshmen expressed intention to major in computer science in the US." However the page does not give a comparable male interest rank, making the statistic seem meaningless to me. Can anyone find a comparable statistic for males to put in? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Champfish ( talk • contribs) 15:47, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
I removed the one-paragraph subsection "Genetics" under "Factors contributing to lack of female participation":
Simon Baron-Cohen's Empathizing - Systemizing theory hypothesises that males are, on average, better at systemizing than females. A system being “anything which is governed by rules specifying input-operation-output relationships [...] such as [...] computer programming”. [1]
Nothing here suggests that the cited author has proposed his hypothesis as an explanation for the gender imbalance in computing. The implied connection seems to be the editor's original synthesis based on elements of the cited source. -- Allen ( talk) 20:17, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
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This article shows a strong feminist bias, particularly in the section on why there are less women in computing. It lists only feminist theories for why that's the case, never acknowledging theories and arguments that use gender differences to explain the disparity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheDracologist ( talk • contribs) 00:19, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
Have an article about gender disparity in computing and let this be a page with the names and achievements of notable women in computing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheDracologist ( talk • contribs) 19:44, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
there should be more details of how women become involved with computing and their struggles to success.( Truyen kim nguyen ( talk) 20:42, 15 September 2017 (UTC))
Any reason why PyLadies is not mentioned? They're an international community and well-established [1].
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In what sense is Aminata Sana Congo a pioneer in computing? The article itself has no mention of her contributions and her own article is lacking in this respect as well. I understand wanting to include an African woman for the sake of diversity, but I don't see how she is a pioneer; what exactly did she contribute to the field of computing? 80.236.241.234 ( talk) 14:32, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
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Add three sentences about Fran Allen before:
"Christine Darden began working for NASA's computing pool in 1967"
Here are the sentences: In 1966, Frances "Fran" Elizabeth Allen who was developing programming language compilers at IBM Research, published a paper entitled "Program Optimization,". It laid the conceptual basis for systematic analysis and transformation of computer programs. This paper introduced the use of graph-theoretic structures to encode program content in order to automatically and efficiently derive relationships and identify opportunities for optimization.
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"Frances "Fran" Elizabeth Allen" to
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Reference: https://amturing.acm.org/award_winners/allen_1012327.cfm
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Add three sentences about Fran Allen before:
> Christine Darden began working for NASA's computing pool in 1967
Here are the sentences: In 1966, Frances "Fran" Elizabeth Allen who was developing programming language compilers at IBM Research, published a paper entitled "Program Optimization,". It laid the conceptual basis for systematic analysis and transformation of computer programs. This paper introduced the use of graph-theoretic structures to encode program content in order to automatically and efficiently derive relationships and identify opportunities for optimization.
Link: "Frances "Fran" Elizabeth Allen" to
/info/en/?search=Frances_Allen
Reference: https://amturing.acm.org/award_winners/allen_1012327.cfm
Flyingbarron ( talk) 12:40, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
I see that this edit has been reversed. I'm not sure why? The edit wasn't mine and other than the user evading an editing block, I'm not sure why this particular edit was withdrawn, as Mary, if she was the world's first female commercial programmer as the citations suggest, seems significant enough to be on this page. Any ideas? Pluke ( talk) 21:43, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
There was just a minor edit skirmish of the paragraph in the article about trans women in computing. It was deleted, then restored, with no meaningful Edit summaries from either party. But this does need addressing. Right now, the sources don't support the claim that "There is a common notion that trans women are disproportionately involved with computing." They mention a few trans women, but nothing about a "common notion". Then the text clumsily says "Famous trans women involved with computing include Lynn Conway." Singular or multiple? We need to do better. HiLo48 ( talk) 00:37, 29 September 2023 (UTC)