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Last month the NPD numbers were ready by the 11th, well it's the 19th now and still no numbers. Anyone know when NPD will release their numbers?
Dionyseus
23:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- They were delayed, they will be available tomorrow.
TJ Spyke
23:45, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- PS3/Xbox 360/Wii numbers released:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601204&sid=aeP6KYaQ4o_k&refer=technology —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
TJ Spyke (
talk •
contribs)
02:35, 21 February 2007 (UTC).
what are NPD numbers? —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
68.191.137.157 (
talk •
contribs).
- Please see
NPD Group. It is a data tracking company from US. They track a lot of products and release information about shipping and sales by analyzing the data and applying certain methods. They are the only one in US and Canada tracking videogame sales information. --
ReyBrujo
15:14, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
- They also don't release the all their data, you have to be a subscriber (which costs a few thousand dollars). They do release some numbers (although not specific ones. They would say a system sold 341K, general numbers like that).
TJ Spyke
23:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
[1]. 10 W. --
Consumed Crustacean (
talk)
00:24, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I think there should be a reference to Linux on Wii. So this could be added to external links.
Pkoistin
13:01, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
a breif mention may be ok, but we could just add an internal link to
wii homebrew
- This sort of thing really seems more related to linux, homebrew, or modding to me, than actually to the wii itself (or ds, or whatever other system you're cramming linux onto).
- I mean, heck, someone even made a linux wristwatch, but you don't see linux being mentioned in the
Wristwatch article, right?
Bladestorm
21:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Now does anyone else think this is featured article material. IT is stable because t has been released for two months plus and all the media hype has died down.
The Placebo Effect
12:57, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- Is it well written (yes), comprehensive (Possibly...), factually accurate (yes), neutral (yes) and stable (yes)? Feel free to tell me off on some of these, I only gave the page a quick runthrough.
NiVoMi
01:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not anything of an expert in the subject, but I feel a paragraph or two in the reception section detailing the Wii's financial success would be a good addition towards comprehensiveness. Currently, as far as I can see, the only part of the article which focuses on sales or the Wii's role in relation to Nintendo as a corporation is the infobox. Otherwise, it looks like a healthy, balanced, well-cited and generally comprehensive article. Good luck at the FA!
Geuiwogbil
20:23, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
- This web page has more revisions than the
Adolf Hitler wikipedia web page, so the Wii page is of quite a high importance in some way. It seems that besides being long overdue for a featured article, it should also be considered that even better images and photos could be made and other formatting improvements to make the page look more streamlined in general
JayKeaton
02:44, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
- I think the Wii will become more of intrest as the years progress. People want to know more about it before purchasing, and they want to know how to use the Wii. —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
Bashful201 (
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contribs)
14:35, 9 March 2007 (UTC).
I think that this article should be featured on the
Main Page sometime. How does this go about happening? -
dogman15
20:04, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
- A request would need to be made at
Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests. It looks like someone did request it already... but for November 19, 2007 (the 1 year anniversary).
Leebo
T/
C
20:09, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Congrats to everyone here who has worked on the article. Yesterday it was promoted to Featured Article status, meaning it's one of the best articles on Wikipedia.
TJ Spyke
22:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- Great job. Do we want to wait till the one year anniversary to put it on the front page?
The Placebo Effect
22:19, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- I think that would be best. Whoever wants to request it for "Today's Featured Article" should request November 19 (the 1 year anniversary of it) for the day, since you can request a specific day for it to be listed (if it gets approved).
TJ Spyke
22:23, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- Congratulations everybody. I knew this would suceed when I put it up for nomination, but I didn't think it wpould get such overwhelming support! This stands testement to hoow good this article is, and how well the editors of the article have done. Kudos to you!
Ixistant
10:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- Ah, it seems like just yesterday the article was promoted to good status...anyway, macaroni to everyone who worked on it! (I just had to use a word other than "congrats".) –
Llama man
talk
contribs
17:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Was this a featured article on the front page? --
Bentendo24
16:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- It is a
featured article, but it has yet to be one of
"Today's Featured Article"s. --
Maxamegalon2000
17:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- There is a request on the
WP:TFA page for it to be listed on November 19th (the 1 year anniversary of the system), it seems like the best date.
TJ Spyke
22:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Here's an external link I found
http://www.scriblerus.net/kunkelfruit/index.php?title=Nintendo_Wii. It's a how it's made on the Kunklefruit Wiki.
Cadsuane Melaidhrin
03:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
The most recent NPD sales figures (for January 2007) state that the Wii has sold 1,516,000 units.
[2]
[3]. The cited figure on this page is 1,720,000 units sold. However, if you go to the source for this figure it does not even mention a cumulative Wii sales total. Even if this figure supposedly includes Canadian sales, which only total 118,000,
[4]
[5] the grand total would only be 1,634,000. As a result of this I changed the figures to the latest official NPD sales numbers. If someone can find a source for that higher number, then please go ahead and change it back. If not, then the change should not be reverted.
Zomic_13
22:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- The numbers are for North America, which includes Mexico and some Latin American countries. Back in December Nintendo gave sales for North America for November, so we don't have updated numbers for Mexico and Latin America.
TJ Spyke
22:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- My mistake. I swapped the Q3 report with Spyke's ref when I should have left both in.
Just64helpin
18:35, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I know this isn't the right place to do it, but I found a website with extremly acurate console sales info. It's
this. If that dosn't work, search for it on google and click it from there. This will defenitly help Wikipedia track console sales. Give them some credit.--
Randoman412
01:55, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
- NO. That is NOT a reliable site. They GUESS their numbers, and then fix them when the correct numbers are announced. They will not be used (nor will VG Charts).
TJ Spyke
01:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
This is'nt any VG charts. This is extremly acurate. If you hit refresh a couple times, the numbers go up. It's updated by the second! Check with official anouciments and how they coincide with the websites numbers.--
Randoman412
02:00, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
- They guess their numbers. No one can check by the second. What they do is take the total amount of sales, divide it up into the average amount per second, and then set it for the numbers to update by that amount. It was agreed several months ago not to use either one since they aren't reliable for ACCURATE numbers. The numbers we use are confirmed and accurate (and not just guesses).
TJ Spyke
02:03, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
It sure seems like an ok site to me, but you don't have to use it. I'm just bringing up suggestions that would seem like good info. It's fine by me. (first time)--
Randoman412
02:08, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
- It's not your fault. It's just that even the site says it is just estimates. The data we use are from confirmed reliable sources (NPD, Media Create, etc.).
TJ Spyke
02:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Can i get links to them? They seems like bettter sources, as you said.--
Randoman412
03:04, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
- They are in the article itself (next to the numbers in the infobox).
TJ Spyke
03:32, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, there was a recent critic, Chris Heckler, who called the Wii a piece of shit. This claim is well-known (note the large amount of Diggs), certainly noteworthy to put in the section on "reception."
[6]
69.138.31.96
19:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, but then he took it back.
[7] --
Maxamegalon2000
19:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
- Therefore not noteworthy. --
Thaddius
20:44, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
- BTW, his name is
Chris Hecker, not "Heckler".
Just64helpin
18:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Needs to include a sentence about the zapper gun. Also, there's some images here that could possibly be included.
[8]
W3stfa11/
Talk to me
21:52, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
- Why? It was just a prototype that hasn't been seen or talked about by Nintendo since E3. It's already mentioned in the Wii Remote article. IF the Zapper ever ends up being a real product, then it can be talked about in the main Wii article.
TJ Spyke
23:09, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
- My bad, then. I wasn't aware it was just a prototype. Very well. :)
W3stfa11/
Talk to me
23:44, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
- No problem, I thought you knew it. Yeah, Nintendo said it was just a prototype, and they haven't mentioned it since then.
TJ Spyke
23:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
- Even if it became a final product, it wouldn't be notable within the
Wii article. A possible exception is if it came with the system in a special retail bundle.
Just64helpin
18:38, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
many other people are pissed off by the grapics and lack of online support, it is stated that the mii's polygon count was lower than a scene of star fox!
- Should we just remove the above comment altogether? It's off-topic, looks like vandalism, and is implying that a single simple character model should have a higher ploygon count than and entire scene. I'm not an expert wikipedian, so someone please make the decision for me.
Since this article is currently a FAC, i decided this would be the appropriate time to bring this up. Which of the external links, if any, should we keep? My feelings are neutral right now, but since this was talked about last before Wii was released, it needs one more talking about.
The Placebo Effect
20:55, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- What exactly, may I ask, do you consider insufficient about our previous discussions and method of determining appropriate links? --
Maxamegalon2000
21:24, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- The fact that it occured BEFORE the console came out and not after.
The Placebo Effect
12:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- There really isn't a need in a vote here, not to mention voting is evil. Both The Wiire and Cubed3 are user-submitted and may contain misleading information, thus are against criteria 2 of
WP:EL. GameSpot and IGN are fine.
Michaelas10
(Talk)
15:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you mean. Both sites employ writers and an editorial staff. What about the sites do you consider "user-submitted"? And in case you didn't consider the possibility of containing "misleading information" simply a result of being "user-submitted", what makes you question the sites' information? --
Maxamegalon2000
15:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
At the end of the second paragraph under Hardware it says "To use the SD slot, a software update must be downloaded, so game saves cannot be transferred to or from a system that has not been connected to the Internet." My Wii has not ever connected to the Internet but I'm able to view pictures off of an SD card. I have never tried to save a game to an SD card, but I still think this statement should be changed.
Seventhofnine
07:31, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- That is what the update is for, it lets you put game saves on a SD card. That is basically what the statement says, although it could be worded a little better.
TJ Spyke
07:35, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, photos were originally what the SD card was for, but an update allows you to back up your game saves (in case you run out of memory). --
Purplepurplepurple
16:49, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- I've reworded the information to make it clearer.
Just64helpin
17:55, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- Small typo in what you added "To use the SD slot for game save transferring, a software update must be downloaded, so a system that has not been connected to the Internet cannot utilze this feature.". The word "'utilize'" is spelled incorrectly.
198.53.24.218
19:28, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- Fixed.
Just64helpin
16:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
can't we get a better photo of the wii —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
Madcow 93 (
talk •
contribs)
22:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC).
- I think it's pretty good myself, but I could change my mind if someone presents a better free one (not fair use).
TJ Spyke
22:56, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Is it just me, or should the template be moved back down to the bottom? It just looks ugly at the top, squishing the text. There is plenty of space down in the references section where it was.
TJ Spyke
22:11, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- The template mashes text anywhere it's placed.
Just64helpin
22:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- But at the bottom, it's just references instead of stuff that actually matters (the test of the article). It's not a huge issue, but it makes the article less pleasing to look at.
TJ Spyke
22:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- There have been at least two complaints from users about its position at the "References" section. That's not counting the number of unexplained moves the template has suffered.
Just64helpin
22:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- I don't see why anyone would complain, only 1 reference (#21) actually gets squished by the template. Compare that to two whole sections that get squished by it now. There is no practical reason to have the template where it is, and no aesthetic reason. I see no reason for it to stay where it is and no benefit.
TJ Spyke
22:51, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- I moved it to where it was previously. Hopefully this will attract users to further the discussion.
Just64helpin
22:57, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry, I didn't notice this discussion. It's my opinion that having the template in the references section looks terrible, which is why I changed it. But I guess consensus is to keep it there.
JACO
PLANE • 2007-04-2 17:05
I've moved some of the information out of the infobox and created a new subsection for it. This has been suggested in the
FA discussion. If you have any comments regarding the change, please post them here.
Just64helpin
13:54, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'd suggested this
before, and I tried doing something like this with the
Nintendo DS article,
[9] but it was put right back in the infobox soon after.
[10] Given the fervor among users about updating and "distilling" the numbers (which I've disagreed with), I somewhat let the issue go. Now that the issue has popped up again, I'm thinking there should something in the
WikiProject guideline on this. It would solve a lot of problems.
Dancter
18:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't Australasia be Ocenia? NZ isn't exactly part of Australia you know. —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
125.238.150.177 (
talk) 06:54, 21 March 2007 (UTC).
125.238.150.177
06:54, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- I will change it to Australia since the sales info we have are for Australia (and I don't know if they are including New Zealand like many do when talking about Australia. BTW, some people incorrectly think that Australia is also a continent (even though the correct name of the continent is Oceania).
TJ Spyke
07:08, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- There are various different arguments. Australia is a continent (as continent refers to land mass), Oceania is the region of the south-western pacific. Often refered to as Australasia, because it is a combination of the two continents. However I don't think this is the place for that kind of discussion. Look up 'continents'.
137.166.4.130
12:26, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- You are right that this isn't the place, but Australia is only a country. It is part of the continent of Oceania.
TJ Spyke
22:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- A continent is a land mass.
Oceania's not a
continent.
Tim (Xevious)
16:14, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
I looked around and Wii was released here in NZ on the same day as Australia.
http://www.gpstore.co.nz/News/Archive/4100.html
Is it possible to change it to "Australia & New Zealand"?
125.238.126.237
04:04, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- I know it was released in both on the same day, but the sales info we have is specifically for Australia, not Australia and New Zealand.
TJ Spyke
04:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
In the past on this talk page, there has been much discussion over whether or not this article should contain reference to the criticism of the name "Wii" sounding like a word meaning "urine". Some people argued against that suggesting that we'd have to mention other possible puns as well. So I was wondering if perhaps a "Wii (name)" article would be best. There we could discuss the name of the console and the criticisms people have had over the name.
Voortle
21:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- That article would almost instantly be nominate for deletion, and for good reason. There are already mentions here, which are enough IMO.
TJ Spyke
21:33, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- The name itself doesn't warrant a separate article.
Just64helpin
21:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Reference 51 - lawsuit over defective wrist-straps - is invalid. Can anyone else find the resource elsewhere?
65.34.181.27
12:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- It would be helpful if you explained why it is "invalid". The phrase "defective wrist straps" is in quote marks for a reason.
Just64helpin
17:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- By "invalid", he meant, "expired". As in, the link no longer works.
Bladestorm
17:30, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- My mistake. I should be able to find an alternate source shortly. EDIT: Fixed.
Just64helpin
17:33, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- To avoid further confusion, you should state it as a "dead link" in future. And thank you for your input, leaving dead links unnoticed completely negates the whole point of having external links and makes wikipedia pages seem shabby and outdated. So, thank you for bringing this to the talk pages attention ^_^
JayKeaton
16:11, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Somebody ought to mention the remote problems under tech specs. Ever hear of all those problem with the remotes flying through the windows? Yeah. —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
Mojestic Waffles (
talk •
contribs)
01:28, 27 March 2007 (UTC).
- 1) This page is about the system, not the
Wii Remote. 2)People throwing the controllers is not the fault of the controller (it's because those people are too retarted to know how to HOLD ONTO THE CONTROLLER, even if the strap broke it isn't a problem unless you let go of the controller for some reason).
TJ Spyke
01:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
- This was already discussed in
Archive 21, and noted in the FAQs.
Just64helpin
16:07, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
It seems really unnecessary. It's described as a regular DVD case, now that isn't hard to visualize. —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
Bebopblue (
talk •
contribs)
05:39, 27 March 2007 (UTC).
- Although, the keep case is made from a nontransparent white plastic, which is not regular
JayKeaton
16:09, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Okay, so somebody wants to go fiddling with the units used in the article, changing MB->MiB.
For those not familiar with the concept, 1 MB=1024KB=1,048,576 bytes.
However, some idiot making hard drives decided to use 1 MB=1,000,000 bytes, so his hard drive would seem bigger than it was.
The solution some people have been pushing for is to use mega in the standard SI sense (one million), and mebi to mean the binary equivalent. Of course, this caused more problems than it solved, because now mega is interpreted as using both.
In this case, we have a special problem.
The internal flash memory is listed as 512MB. That could be 512,000,000 bytes, or it could be 536,870,912 bytes.
As it currently stands, the article just says MB.
The ram, however, is almost certainly referring to MB in the sense of MiB. To that end, changing it to MiB wouldn't alter the validity of the information per se.
However, changing the ram to MiB, but leaving the flash memory as MB directly implies that the flash memory is in the binary sense, 512,000,000 bytes. If it isn't 512,000,000, then that'd be misleading people.
The point is that we need to know the precise size of the flash memory before changing the RAM.
That is, there are two possibilities:
- 512,000,000 bytes and MiB for RAM
- 512MiB and MiB for RAM.
However, until we know which it is, we can't imply either, so both need to stay as MB, simply because that's the best information we have without implying more than we know. Does that make sense, or do I need to rephrase? (I'm in a hurry to get to lecture right now)
Bladestorm
14:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- * Using international adopted standards is not "idiot". Using M to mean 1024 knowing that M means 1000 everywhere else is stupid and lead to confusion but that's not the point here.
- * Changing the RAM to MiB but leaving flash memory to MB means that in one case we mean 1024*1024 B and 1000*1000 B in the other case, nothing more. The current version actually implies that Wii has 512,000,000 B of internal flash memory beacause in Wikipedia MB means 1000*1000 B everywhere. If it isn't 512,000,000 B , well the article is inaccurate on this point. But if we have better informations about RAM : we put them in the article. An article doesn't need to be entirely inaccurate only because we don't know for sure how much internal memory the Wii has.
Sarenne
15:15, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- The "standards" are far from that. I have no clue who told you that the rest of the world routinely uses mebibytes as a standard norm, but you probably shouldn't trust anything else they say. What's more, no, MB does not exclusively mean 1000, not even in wikipedia. The fact that you aren't allowed to change quotes should've tipped you off. And, the "idiot" was the guy who decided to drop the real standard for the sake of making a quick buck.
- I really can't see how you can admit that you're wrong, and yet still think you're right. YES, saying MB for flash and MiB for RAM would definitively mean 1000*1000 and 1024*1024! (Mixing units tends to imply that there's a reason you're using both). However, we don't know that the internal flash memory is precisely 512,000,000. You just definitively admitted that your version would declare outright that the internal flash memory is 512,000,000. However, you don't know that's how much it has.
- By your own admission, you'd be asserting a very specific value that you can't possibly back up. As such, it's an unsourced claim.
- It's adding false precision. It's like if someone measures something at 3.5", and then you convert it to 8.89cm. Yes, I like metric, but you still can't do that conversion, because it implies more precision than's available from the source.
Bladestorm
16:28, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
-
Binary_prefix. I will not explain you what are the actual standards. Wikipedia can do it better than me :)
- Mixing units means that there are different units... I only admitted I migth be wrong about the internal flash memory. I accepted the revert. My version and the older version (without any binary prefix) mean exactly the same thing about the internal flash memory.
- I didn't come up with the "512 MB internal flash memory". It was there before and nothing has changed.
- If you mean 1024 and not 1000, changing 1000 to 1024 is not adding false precision, it's avoiding confusion.
Sarenne
17:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- If you use MiB for some values, then all remaining instances of MB are assumed decimal MB. Since this isn't necessarily the case, that's a problem.
- Since using MiB for some and MB for others indicates that the 512 is decimal MB, that's creating a level of precision not supplied by the sources.
- The only options are to use strictly MB, or to use MiB for binary and MB for decimal, not MiB for binary and MB for who-knows.
Bladestorm
18:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- If it is not necessarily the case, then the article is inaccurate. I prefer clear inaccuracy than ambiguity+inaccuracy. If an editor doesn't know what he means when he edits an article, it's very dangerous for an encyclopedia.
- If the source is ambiguous, it should't be in Wikipedia (without at least a warning).
- That's why we use MiB for binary and MB for decimal, even if the value is inaccurate or ambiguous in the source. MB and MiB have the same status, they are units. The important is to know what we really mean when we write "512 MB". What do you want the reader to think when he reads "512 MB"? Decimal or binary ? If you don't know, it's not really good for an encyclopedia...
Sarenne
19:31, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- One comment: what's up with the remaining 4 kB? I don't really trust the source given for that figure, and the entire EEPROM inside the Wiimote is known to be an ST Microelectronics number with a 16 KiB capacity. Is there a reliable source that indicates how this EEPROM is divided in software? Is it even worth making this distinction? One thing is for sure, given the addressing scheme being used, 4 KiB would probably be correct rather than 4 kB since it wouldn't make much sense to logically split the memory mid-page-boundary (the I2C chip is organized into 64 byte pages). --
mattb
@ 2007-03-29T01:15Z
- I found this source :
http://wiibrew.org/index.php?title=Wiimote (available in Google cache, it seems to be down for the moment).
Sarenne
01:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- So, according to that, the space available to the host is 5888 bytes long, not a nice round number however you slice it (5.888 KB, 5.75 KiB, 92 pages of 64 bytes). Is this information really worth having in the article? Retaining it would seem to require a little explanation of the controller's virtual address space, and I don't necessarily think it's worth the trouble for trivia... I mean, we can't have EVERY tidbit in the article, and we don't talk about the larger internal ROM of the Broadcom controller. --
mattb
@ 2007-03-29T01:33Z
Those damned mebi and kibi and chibibi bytes are everywhere on Wikipedia now for almost all computer-related articles. I think some sinister underground organization (probably from France, nyuk nyuk nyuk) is trying to promote their continued usage...
Nintenboy01
18:58, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- Sure, like the
sinister French organization which standardizes and maintains
SI. --
mattb
@ 2007-03-30T03:19Z
I keep reading of difficulties getting this one but it's difficult to find a store which run out of them. Is there the possibility Nintendo is sending the units to the wrong places? It's an idea I got a few weeks ago...
85.18.201.168
18:26, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- I see that being unlikely. Also for the future this section should only be used for comments regarding the article. --
69.156.207.107
02:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- The Wii is difficult to find becuase the demand is so high. It is easily outselling every other system in every region (except for the DS, which is doing even better),
TJ Spyke
02:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I highly reccomend a 'criticism' section to help balance out the article. It points out many positive aspects of the Wii, yet next to no negative ones. It states the lower power of the Wii in comparison to other consoles, yet almost paints it as a positive thing. Helping to branch to different demographics.
Points such as critiscism from the press that perhaps the system will not work with certain genres (I'm sure some citations can be found from reporters). Developers such as Free Radical not bringing certain games to the system because of this lack of power. etc etc..
Slydevil
19:27, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
- The article already has a
reception section, which notes cited criticism.
Just64helpin
19:30, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
- Apoligies, should've been more observant. Do you think the sections is sufficient though?
Slydevil
19:35, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
- Feel free to expand the section with verifiable content.
Just64helpin
19:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
- I also feel that the reception section should be expanded with more information about the praise and criticism of the Wii. I actually hope that it grows enough to merit it's own sub-article... there's certainly going to be enough sources to make it pretty big. --
Measure
00:32, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
In other news, I tire of maintaining my work on this article. Hopefully I've done enough that the criticism will sustain itself with the help of other editors. I'm taking this page of my watch list for now. --
Measure
18:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Referencing a slate.com article where the guy talks about trying to use the remote incorrectly as evidence of poor motion sensing is pretty weak. He was trying to use the remote as a light gun, and that isn't what it is. Not to mention that the "game" he was playing was a Gamecube port, and not a game designed for the Wii controller. - Peter K. Bard —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
24.2.199.19 (
talk •
contribs).
- I can't find this citation. Has someone removed it? --
Consumed Crustacean (
talk)
00:15, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, I noticed a new user
removing it. --
ReyBrujo
00:26, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
- I believe the criticism is valid, but would not object to a better article criticizing the Wiimote being referenced instead. --
Measure
21:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Should the criticism against the low quality of the Wii Remote's speaker really nessesary on the article? Everything starts of as a low quality. It's the FIRST controller to have a built in speaker, therefore, the quality should be low. Everything starts off from low quality to high quality. Example: In the 80's, would people critisize televisions because it wasn't high definition? Plus Nintendo never said the speaker would have good quality. Were people really expecting good sound quality on the first controller ever that has a speaker? Were people expecting a Dolby Pro Logic sound quality?
Munchlax
00:12, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- To be honest, I don't think the low quality of the speaker is relevant. Not because it's the first controller speaker, mind you. They very easily could've done better. (And to counter your analogy, high definition wasn't available at the time; better quality speakers are.) However, when the sounds are used appropriately (eg. in Zelda), the low quality doesn't matter.
- That said, it's still necessary to include the criticism (though arguably, it could go in the
wiimote article.).
- The fact is, even if it's very misguided criticism, it's still by a notable source (at least, I think it is), and, as such, is notable. Stupid, but notable. Much like the criticism of developers saying that it won't handle their games (oh, boo hoo, the wii won't handle crappy ports. BIG FREAKING DEAL!). It's a stupid criticism, but since it's coming from developers, it's still notable.
Bladestorm
00:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- Credible or not... it belongs in the
Wii Remote article, not here. This is the console article.--
Farquaad
hnchmn(
Dungeon)
02:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- I think it only starts crackling when the batteries loose too much power.
Jecowa
18:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- No, they're talking about speaker generally sounding like poop. Have you heard the Zelda Chime coming out of it? Not a big deal, sure, but we're supposed to include things based on their encyclopedic value, not our personal opinions on them. I'm fine with the criticism being in the Wii Remote article or somewhere, seeing as it is sourced. --
Consumed Crustacean (
talk)
18:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- Given the size and power (2 AA cell) of the thing - isn't it impossible to get a good quality sound - the criticism seems unnecessary - for a good quality sound I'd expect at least 4 to 6" cone and maybe a tweeter - impossible in a remote control - are there any tiny speakers that sound good - doubt it.
87.102.9.55
14:02, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
i just noticed that some bozo used the words "on the other hand" in an encyclopedic text. this is totaly un acceptable to do this, as the text is supposed to sound professional, and not contain an euphanisms or personal remarks. that is what this page is for. —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
74.105.212.81 (
talk)
12:54, 26 January 2007 (UTC).
- This page is not for personal remarks.
Just64helpin
19:38, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- As a matter of writing style, you're right, "on the other hand" is a pretty informal phrasing. But, on the other hand, is it really worth arguing over? --
Stratadrake
20:29, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- The Wikipedia is a freely editable encyclopedia. Be
bold and change it to whatever you think is more appropriate. --
Consumed Crustacean (
talk)
21:11, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Why should this article have Wii criticism when there's been plenty of PlayStation 3 criticism from notable sources and there's none of that in the
PS3 article?
86.150.13.215
17:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- As far as I'm aware, the articles are not in direct competition. Please don't make justifications based on what an article has (or doesn't have). The Wii article is currently GA-rated, while
PS3 is not. Further discussion should be in
Talk:PlayStation 3, not here.
Just64helpin
17:33, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, this is an indication of possible improvement for the PS3 article, unrelated to the Wii article.
Leebo
86
17:54, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
The Wii has had a lot of positive reception in the world, so why does the Reception section have more negative comments than positive? Seeing that the console is popular and many people and developers like it, there should be more positive comments from company's and people. The negative comments might need to be scaled down a little, as they imply that there are a lot of problems that make people dislike the console, when the fact is that this console is off to a very good start. Some of the things listed as negative have been proven as wrong, like the Wii being 'Gamecube 1.5' and that no third parties will be able to sell games on this system.—The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
64.140.132.67 ([[User talk:|talk]])
09:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC).
- Do you have
source for these arguments? You're free to add
verifiable content to the section, but please don't remove info that you seem to think is "wrong".
Just64helpin
18:25, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
In the Reception section, it states Free Radical Design has stated that the Wii hardware lacks the power necessary to run the software they have scheduled for release on other seventh generation consoles.
I think the world 'software' needs to be replaced with a better word. —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
Wi Account ki (
talk •
contribs)
05:55, 1 April 2007 (UTC).
- Perhaps it would be best if you provided an example of a "better" word.
Just64helpin
16:46, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Just wondering if the wii plays all gamecube games, or if there is some upgrade you need to be able to play them all. Please reply. Thanks! —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
84.13.79.133 (
talk)
21:47, 2 April 2007 (UTC).
- Yes, it plays all GameCube games. —
Malcolm
Use
the
schwartz!
21:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
- The Wii plays all GameCube games (although region encoding rules still apply). However, unless you've imported GameCube games from another country, that is not an issue.
Zomic_13
21:50, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
In the infobox on the right, should the
Wii Remote's internal memory be listed under storage because of the ability to save Mii's?
Leif902
21:35, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
- no....thats about the controller, so it should go on the controller page, IMO
Purplepurplepurple
20:27, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- The focus of this console's hardware is the controller, so it should be mentioned on both pages.--
Can Not
14:45, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- No, the focus is not just on the controller. Anyways, it doesn't really have any impact on the system itself.
TJ Spyke
22:21, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Does the wii system require memory cards if so it should be mentioned in the article. —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
69.26.107.174 (
talk)
22:07, 8 April 2007 (UTC).
- Look under "Storage":
Wii#Technical specifications, or in the infobox. The Wii has 512MB of flash memory, you can also save onto SD cards.
TJ Spyke
22:21, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
The sentence specifying that the Wii does not support certain GameCube accessories (specifically the Game Boy Player, GameCube Component Video cable, Broadband Adapter, and Modem Adapter) is labeled "citation needed." Is a source REALLY needed for this information? It's simply a statement of fact, and it's also pretty obvious just looking at the console and the accessories that they won't physically fit together. I'm sure a statement could be found somewhere confirming this, but I fail to see why we would need to cite it. --
69.253.203.103
03:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- You are correct. I removed the tag as that information can be classified as common knowledge as it is extremely obvious to anyone who owns a Wii (6+ million people so far).
Zomic_13
15:14, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- Does the Wii use the Karaoke Revolution Party microphone for Game Cube? If it does or does not, I believe that this fact should also be included in that paragraph on backwards compatible peripherals. Bets, --
164.107.223.217
17:50, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- I guess that depends on how the microphone communicates with the system. If it is plugged into the GameCube controller slot, then there is no reason why it shouldn't work. I can't find confirmation on this, though.
- It would probably be simplest to note in the Wii article that any GameCube peripherals designed to fit a GameCube controller slot (such as the Donkey Konga bongos) will work with the Wii, rather than list them all individually. --
69.253.203.103
18:44, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- That is correct, all of the controllers that plug into the GC controller slots (like the DK Bongos, the Konami dance pad, the Logitech steering wheel, etc.) work the same way they do on a GameCube.
TJ Spyke
21:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, does anyone know how the
Karaoke Revolution microphone works, i.e. where it plugs in? Regards, --
Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles
02:39, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
- Do you mean Karaoke Revolution Party? The same way it does on the GameCube, it plugs into the controller 2 slot.
TJ Spyke
02:42, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
- Yes. It's the exact same microphone that you would find with Mario Party 6 and 7. It plugs into Memory card Slot 2, not the controller slot 2.
Lamename3000
05:54, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
- My mistake, I never played any of the GCN games that used the mic.
TJ Spyke
06:58, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
- I never knew that any non-memory card peripherals used the GCN memory card slot... in that case, it's probably also safe to say that any accessories using the Gamecube memory card slots will work with the Wii too. --
69.253.203.103
05:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)