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The first man not crowned Emperor by the Pope who called himself Emperor was, I believe, Maximilian I, about a century after Wenceslaus.
john k21:46, 3 April 2006 (UTC)reply
Thankyou. I knew of Maximilian, but the article was a bit unclear to me in whether or not he claimed the imperial title but never was legally crowned.
Srnec01:48, 4 April 2006 (UTC)reply
I'm really confused when it comes to his family tree, as displayed in the article...it says that St. Kinga was his great grandmother, yet her Wikipedia article specifically states that she "never consummated her marriage" and makes no mention that she ever had any children. I haven't been able to find any other mention of her giving birth either. Is the Wikipedia family tree accurate?
IrisLaRue (
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02:52, 15 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Biography
In 1389, the nearly entire Jewish community of Prague was wiped out during the "Easter Tumult"
in the absence of the king. Returning from
Cheb, Wenceslas, who was supposed to protect
the life and properties of Bohemian Jews, got hold of parts of the robbery after the massacre.
1) "The nearly entire Jewish community" I presume is intended to mean "almost the entire Jewish population". As it stands, it reads as if almost the entire population was Jewish (and, almost as an aside, was massacred).
2) What robbery?? And what does "got hold of" mean there? He was receiver of stolen goods?!
I located what appears to be a reliable citation for this, which happens to be the website for the
city of Prague. They say it happened in 1403, however. I'm unsure whether to list it, as they don't list their source. --
Dulcimerist (
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06:54, 17 March 2009 (UTC)reply
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Reply to oppose. And for me is far more prestigious Bohemian King than that of Romans:) They werent any vassals of German kings, do you know that
Charles IV. proclaimed hostility to
Otto V. and invaded Brandenburg, then after two years of conflict in 1373 Brandenburg become part of the Czech lands? I am not saying to move it to "Wenceslaus, King of the Bohemia", but only suggest "Wenceslaus IV".
Jirka.h23 (
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17:24, 23 September 2012 (UTC)reply
First of all (as I said before),
Wenceslaus IV would be inconsistent with other articles in
Category:Bohemian monarchs. Secondly, it doesn't matter what's more prestigious to you. It's a fact that a ruler of the Holy Roman Empire ranked higher than a ruler of Bohemia - which is natural, since Bohemia was only a part of the Empire. Yes, the Kingdom of Bohemia was a part of the Holy Roman Empire and its rulers were therefore vassals of (subordinate to) the rulers of the Holy Roman Empire. That fact can't possibly be any clearer;
all these books (
as well as these) confirm so. I've got no idea what you meant by giving me that lesson about Charles IV.
Surtsicna (
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16:20, 23 September 2012 (UTC)reply
Yes it doesnt matter what is more prestigious you started it and yes they was vassals same as German Kings to Emperors. But he was NOT Holy Roman Emperor. I giving you a lesson because you said they are vassals to Roman (German) Kings. Even Britannica call him title: "Wenceslas (king of Bohemia and Germany)"
look hereJirka.h23 (
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16:35, 23 September 2012 (UTC)reply
I would support
Wenceslaus IV of Bohemia not
Wenceslaus IV, if and only if the sources uses this for him. King of the Romans is a formal title, not an actual title that shouldn't be used on articles. Most King of the Romans are under "Name of Germany", so calling him Wenceslaus of Germany is another option. I would support anything without King of the Romans in the title since the only article with that title is
Ferdinand IV, King of the Romans who was an heir that never succeeded.--
The Emperor's New Spy (
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19:01, 23 September 2012 (UTC)reply
=>So in that case i support
Wenceslaus IV of Bohemia, because he was king by inheritance and till end of his life. This could be done thanks to Golden Bull of Sicily from 1212 a formal edict confirming hereditary kings title for Czech king and his descendants and they should be exempt from all future obligations to the Holy Roman Empire except for participation in the imperial councils (i think as the only Kingdom in Empire). But still do you have any reason to not support "
Wenceslaus of Bohemia and Germany" ? Its same case like for example
Vladislaus II of Bohemia and Hungary.
Jirka.h23 (
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07:02, 24 September 2012 (UTC)reply
What is there left to say? The trend lately is that nobody care about these move requests and they are just not moved with one to two comments/votes. My three choices are in my last comment. I advise you to bring this to more people's attention if you want anything conclusive. Best wishes--
The Emperor's New Spy (
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08:13, 26 September 2012 (UTC)reply
Vladislaus II of Bohemia and Hungary is a weird case since there was already a Vladislaus II of Bohemia and a Ladislaus II of Hungary and a Vladislaus II Jagiellon; his brother title is
Louis II of Hungary, ignoring Bohemia, and their father just ignores all his countries in the title altogether. Only exception to the double country name is Leon and Castile during the period when the two kingdoms had equal status and were united under one ruling family for many generation. Since Wenceslaus bears a regnal number for Bohemia, as the fourth, and none for Germany and Germany and Bohemia had no union of any sort other than the fact sometimes a King of Germany was also King of Bohemia, I don't think
Wenceslaus of Bohemia and Germany will work.
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