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Also there is no section on turbillons. The complication paragraph needs to be expanded to include grand complications and other variations, jewels etc. There is so much more to watches than this article. This is very dissappointing.
What is the etymology of the word 'watch' (as in "a small portable timepiece"?) How do self-winding mechanical watches work?
I removed this sentence, "About 4 times per day a radio wristwatch will check this radio signal and reset itself to the exact time." My Casio G-Shock only resets once per day. Is 4 times a day normal and the G-Shock is the exception to the rule? It seemed like this was at least an overgeneralization.
I don't know but my G-shock also only resets once a day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:45:501:BBC0:55A:6565:61A0:43E7 ( talk) 02:42, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
Just letting you all know that MTM has legally been allowed to call their watch waterproof.
http://www.specialopswatch.com/cart/products.cgi?category=7
Somebody with more experience should maybe edit the entry?
Rykoshet 12:55, 22 Octover 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.249.81 ( talk)
I strongly doubt that, by orders of magnitudes. I do not think that the precision comes close to e.g. harddisk production etc.If there are no bjections, I will just remove the sentence. Brontosaurus 21:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Absolutely. The other extremely precisely engineered device is actually the humble video recorder head, built to much higher precision than any mechanical watch component. Colin99 19:10, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I question the validity of this paragraph:
Important collectible American made watches from the early 20th Century were the best available at any price. Leading watchmakers included Elgin, Gruen, Hamilton, and Illinois. Hamilton is generally considered as having the finest early American movements, while the art deco styling of The Illinois Watch Company was unsurpassed worldwide. Early Gruen Curvex models remain very desired for how they entwined form and function, and Elgin made more watches than anyone else.
It appears biased, the last sentence doesn't elaborate on 'entwining form and function' which is a very abstract phrase. Also in the same sentence it not only has a grammatical error by having a comma followed by the word 'and' but it also makes very bold point that is irrelevant to the rest of the sentence. I think a citation would be required when making as bold a statement as a company making more watches than any other company for the entire century.
Perhaps high end watches needs to be addressed in further depth. Chopard and Cardier as well as most women's watches are thought of as more of jewelry and hence many are quartz. While Breguet, Blancpain, Patek are rarely quartz, and hence rarely thought of as jewelry or ornamentation but as timepieces. The section describing high end watches needs to be cleaned up, one can tell it was not written by someone that knows watches. Also I don't believe Patek invented the first wristwatch, i thought it was Breguet??
I don't know about you but this (as well as the explanations of the groups in the table seems reasonable based on my (admitedly limited) experience with luxury watches. I imagine there will be some debate on those makers not included on this list, and where they fit in as well as on other topics but I'd appreciate feedback from all about placing this table in the article or perhaps even starting (an, IMO, long overdue artilce on luxury watches in particular).-- Zoso Jade 08:25, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
There is a bit of a problem with the link to the german, as the english "watch" basically means "the union set of pocketwatches and wristwatches" (correct?) and there is no such word in german (there is a word for general "timekeeping device" and specific types of them, but no word that encompasses exactly those 2 specific types). The link was towards pocketwatches and I've changed it to wristwatches as those are more common, is this okay with everybody? Peter S. 16:46, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
Today, nearly every Westerner wears a watch on his wrist
I think we need to correct that. Since cell phones are popular (since 5 years or so) I think less and less people (specialy teenagers) wear watches.
Why does my watch say: Mon, Tue, Wed, Thur, Fri, Sat, Sun from 1am to 12am and Dom, Lun, Mar, Mie, Jue, Vie, Sab (el spanisho) from 12am to 1am??? Answer that one... :P~
The beginning of the watch discussion suggests that mechanical watches are a thing of the past. Mechanical watches are produced today in the millions and will be for the forseeable future. Switzerland produced 100 million mechanical watches from 1990 to 2000.
I'm wondering about the usefulness of this list in its current form. It is a very long list of watch makers with links to their website without any additional information. Does someone has an idea on how this list may be used by wikipedia readers ? Dragice 10:40, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
perhaps only independent watchmakers should be listed, and perhaps a link to a site that has more detail information about the brands. i agree, listing all the brands(all being very understated). Davidolafsson ( talk) 13:34, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Why no mention of cesium clocks? TheLimbicOne 16:47, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
I suggest we remove links to commercial watch vendors such as "misterwatch" and limit links to resource pages only
i found out that almost 99% of analoge watches shown in magazine,newspaper or cataloge show the same time. that is 10.10. why is it 10:10.is there any meaning?
Answer: This is a recurring question on many watch fora. The most common answer is: the 10:10 position looks like a 'smile'. If the hands would point to, for example, 7:20, the hands would form a 'frown'. Another answer is that this position usually doesn't block any of the watch's important features or markings (the logo, the date window, etc.). Even some digital watch manufacturers do this.
Reply: The "Smile" is something I have never heard of before. Not blocking the 12:00 brand markings is what I've heard, as well as being symmetrical. For the time being 10:10, rather than 1:50, is generally regarded that the time 10:10 can denote both evening and morning hours where one isn't up late or up early, where as 1:50 could denote that it is "past the bedtime", giving the viewer a psychological feeling of uneasiness.
Also, such as the date usually showing the 28th most generally, as well as Wednesday as a day, is because they fill the aperture of the dial the fullest. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.166.117.136 ( talk)
Reply : because the bigger numbers are at 6-12 it gives a more balanced look to have the smaller hand(hour, duh :) at the 6-12 side of the dial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidolafsson ( talk • contribs) 20:47, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
My father told me many years ago that the 10:10 time looks like a "tick" or checkmark, implying approval or correctness or yes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.209.149.94 ( talk) 21:11, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
There is no section on waterproof watches: how is it achieved and what do the different waterproofing ratings mean (50m, 100m, etc.)? There is a common misconception that the 'm' rating is actually the maximum depth underwater that the watch can handle, however, this is not true. I believe 50m meant that the watch is splash-proof, 100m means it's swim-proof, and larger numbers are for diving and deep diving. I am, however, unsure of the exact specifications. Please add a section with appropriate information. maraz 14:38, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Davidolafsson ( talk) 21:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
I have added brief references to the nature of "timepieces" (such as wristwatches) that lack striking mechanisms, and noted that this distinction sets them apart from "clocks," which usually have bells or gongs that announce the passage of time. Some watches, of course, have this feature and can correctly be designated clocks. It is hoped that this distinction will be helpful to those who investigate timekeeping instruments and their useful characteristics. Jack Bethune 19:19, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I sincerely doubt this. While researching Baroque paintings, I encounter the French piece of A Lady on Her Day Bed , 1743 by François Boucher. His wife is posed reclining upon a day bed and is clearly wearing a wrist watch. The piece is located in the Frick. External Link: Painting in the Frick Collection displaying the wrist watch
That does actually look like a watch, although it could also be some kind of jewelery. JayKeaton 22:13, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I decided to answer this question before it's asked. Watch crystals are invariably 32768Hz. Divide by two, 15 times, and you get 1Hz pulses to drive a watch counter or electromechanical movement. So, I hear you ask, how do stopwatches work, these count in 10ths or even 100ths of a second? Well they could re-engineer the whole thing to use a different frequency of crystal, perhaps 100kHz instead of 32.768kHz, then the required fractions of a second could be taken from divide-by-10 counters. They could, but they don't. In practice the stopwatch adds 1/32768 second fractions to a counter and calculates how many 10ths or 100ths of a second have elapsed since the start signal. Of course this is an approximation, but good enough for a wristwatch. This is done because 32.768kHz crystals and trimmers are readily available in the required small size for a watch, other frequencies would consume more space and the dividers would probably consume more power. Colin99 19:51, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I note that someone has changed from "most" to "many" watches have 32768Hz crystals. No, it should be most. Virtually all in fact. Name a recent quartz watch which uses any other frequency... Colin99 22:10, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Several Seiko watches use the 8F35 movement which has a 196,609Hz crystal, for example the diver model SBCM023. 72.242.92.138 ( talk) 00:12, 5 December 2009 (UTC)Brett Clark
Unitepunx 21:48, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I'd suggest merging mechanical watch into this article, since it doesn't seem to stand on its own as a separate article. Paul Koning 18:38, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Why do most watches with Roman Numerals display IIII vs. IV? I have read a number of theories but none seem conclusive. Any ideas? Rclancy 18:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)rclancy
As you mention there are many theories, but the one most traditionally held by the watchmaking community at large is that when dials were made in the 17th and 18th centuries, usually by a dialmaker that had little to no knowledge of watchmaking or manufacture, they were told to keep the numerals 9:00 through 3:00 inwards, so the bottom of the numeral was to the center of the dial, and the numerals 4:00 through 8:00 outwards, so the bottom of the numeral was pointed outwards to the edge of the dial. This made it seem that when the dial was held up, all the numbers were still vertical in nature, even though they were nearly all rotated to be in line with the radius of the dial. As these were made, they started to notice that 6 (VI) and 4 (IV) were too close together and were sometimes confused. So since 6 was more prominent, they left it alone, changing IV to IIII.
Unitepunx 17:16, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
A common theory is that the ancient Romans avoided putting "IV" on a sundial face so as not to insult Jupiter (whose name was spelled out IVPITER in their calligraphy), the most important of the gods. WHPratt ( talk) 15:44, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
As writer of the Mechanical Watch article, I had meant this page to be quite different in content as well as explanation to the original branched Watch article. It is not in my opinion to merge these two articles, as the explanations to fusees as well as the mechanical movements are important to be explained independently on a separate page. As writer of the article, I am fully against the decision to merge these two articles together. G'Day, -- Steven Stone 00:23, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Reply: As a newer user and contributer of Wiki, i would agree that
Watch should provide general information on the watch, specifically cases, displays, bracelets, etc. where as
Mechanical Watch should be the recipient of much of the information that is on this page. I'm afraid this page is in dire need of a cleanup. As example, one of the first sections, Parts, includes a tourbillon along with the balance and escapement. while it denotes that it (tourbillon) is 'Optional", it is the most unlikely complication added to a watch. I think the Gear train can be added in its place, and subdivided into the 5 Different classifications of gear trains in a simple mechanical watch etc, along with the 3 types of gear trains... blah blah blah I can go on.
Point being. Please don't merge Mechanical Watch into Watch —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.166.117.136 ( talk) 06:43, August 20, 2007 (UTC)
I'm puzzled by today's edits in which a number of photos and other material were eliminated on the grounds of "not representative enough". So what? Are they good photos that illustrate what the article describes? If so, leave them in. The fact that they are Russian instead of Swiss is not relevant. The fact that they may not be the first chronographs isn't relevant either. Paul Koning 17:11, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm not commercially link spamming, I really want to know. Are these weird LED things common in Japan? Notable enough to be mentioned in the article? -- 86.144.101.134 16:02, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Digital watches with unconventional displays are widely available across the world. There are several gadget sites selling them and I have found retail stores in my country providing them as well. So either you are in good faith but ignorant or you are spamming, but claiming not to be. In either case I'm removing the link to the online store, since it's against wikipedia's policy. Now if you want to add a section to the article about unconventional watches, be my guest, I actually think it would be a worthwhile addition. -- Ferengi 18:08, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
This article desperately needs a comprehensive rewrite/reorganization. The only section on the history of watches, misleadingly labeled 'Pocket timepieces' is very incomplete. The section on 'Parts' only deals with mechanical watches, and only mentions the escapement and balance wheel, ignoring other essential parts. And the above 2 subsections are grouped under 'Watch cases'! The article seems like an eclectic collection of sections on watch features people have added because they are interested in them. Nothing wrong with that, but someone needs to edit it into a comprehensive, organized overview. -- Chetvorno TALK 00:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Re: 'Pocket timepieces' section. Did celestial navigation have anything to do with the development of watches in the 15th century? What I've read says portable clocks and watches evolved because people wanted to know what time it was, for daily use. Besides, before the balance spring in 1657, watches were so inaccurate (~1hr/day) that there's no way anyone would think them applicable to navigation. Mostly they were just expensive novelties for the rich. Of course later, during the 18th & 19th centuries, marine chronometer design innovations were applied to watches. -- Chetvorno TALK 00:18, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I dont think celestial navigation had anything to do with timekeeping before the 17-18th century. Since as you say, they were extremely inaccurate, they didnt even have a minutes hand. Davidolafsson ( talk) 14:20, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Why do watches, when advertised, almost always show the time ten past ten? Could the answer be added to the main article? Robinson weijman ( talk) 17:19, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
It's a long shot, but does anyone know the name of a children's story featuring a fish who always wanted to have a watch? Eventually the wish is granted and the fish gets to wear the watch around his or her waist. I've been trying to track this down for years with no luck -- Totorotroll ( talk) 13:27, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Is this article meant to bear mainly on wristwatches, or is it meant to cover both wrist and pocket watches? If it's the latter, I'd like to suggest that this be changed to have this article mainly deal with wristwatches, as the pocket watch has its own article. As such, it would delete redundancy. History could be kept to pocket watch history in that article, and wrist watch history here. Right now, it seems like this article is MAINLY about wrist watches. It would be easier to move pocket watch info to that article, and add the template
to deal with any issue. If noone has objections, I'd like to make that change. TheHYPO ( talk) 02:35, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone have a better photo of a digital watch? The one shown doesn't have the standard time-of-day displayed. Jeff Muscato ( talk) 09:04, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
No prize for spotting it, but one image is used twice. that can't be right? ProfDEH ( talk) 14:57, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Both Le Locle and its geographical twin town La Chaux-de-Fonds, located in the Jura Mountains, the cradle of the Swiss Watch Industry, have now been recognised as an UNESCO World Heritage Site, for their horological and related cultural past.
ChildofMidnight ( talk) 01:25, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I am looking for a clock face, size- 1"-1/1/8" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.102.58.67 ( talk) 19:48, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
"Most watches with LED displays required that the user press a button to see the time displayed for a few seconds, because LEDs used so much power that they could not be kept operating continuously."
All too true. I got my first digital watch maybe 1973. The first two or three batteries promptly died on me. I took the thing to a shop. "You're only supposed to light up the display four of five times a day." I was told. "How often do you do it?"
"About eight or nine times an hour when I'm teaching a class," I told him. "You have to pace a lecture, you know."
That convinced me that I wasn't an LED type person. The LCD models that came in shortly were much better in this regard. WHPratt ( talk) 14:04, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
I removed a recently added section because it uses promotional-type language and the ideas presented are naive and unencyclopedic. It also uses commercial external links as references. A quote from a portion of the removed text may illustrate some of the flowery language which coats quite mundane and useless concepts to the point of triviality:
Furthermore, at the end of the decade, on 20 July 1969 to be exact, the wristwatch was quite incredibly used on the mission to the moon where NASA astronauts immediately recognised the usefulness of this tool.<ref>[http://www.dellaroccagioielli.it/orologi.html Luxury brands and celebrity wrists]</ref>
Wow, you don't say. The fact that astronauts used wristwatches is presented as incredible. What next? Should they have used a sun-dial instead? And what with the "astronauts immediately recognised the usefulness of this tool"? Is this difficult to recognise? And must you be an astronaut to recognise the usefulness of the watch? What about the billions of people who wear one in every corner of the planet? Do they just wear one for kicks? Please leave these incredible statements for a blog or something of that type. And leave the commercial links out of the article. Thanks. Dr.K. λogos πraxis 05:48, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Of course I couldn't omit the introduction:
The coronation and undisputed success of wristwatches came about in the 1960s when even the stars of the big screen started to wear such timepieces in their films; artists of the calibre of Sean Connery in the unforgettable Bond film series, Steve McQueen in The Hunter or the great Paul Newman in Winning.
I guess prior to their "coronation" in the 60s, the wristwatches lived a life of failure, poverty and neglect, wallowing in self pity and frowned upon by the masses who refused to wear them. Dr.K. λogos πraxis 06:07, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
And please stop edit-warring attempting to insert such tripe into the article. The time is ripe, not for tripe but, for some responsible second thoughts. Dr.K. λogos πraxis 06:30, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
David Usinski was the creator of the watch and was formally known as "Ticker" back in 1631. although many people had disagreed with him and his invention of the time device. It was 3 years later that he came with his first design of the watch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Devole ( talk • contribs) 10:43, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Article became too big. I think that "History of watches" should be shifted into separate article - it is good written and interesting by its own. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.8.94 ( talk) 11:16, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
I am putting in my own efforts to this article. There are several specific pages on the pocket watch, mechanical watch, time, etc. The statements in this article, especially in the opening few paragraphs, aren't backed up by good references. A statement was made in paragraph 2 that "Most inexpensive and medium-priced watches used mainly for timekeeping are electronic watches with quartz movements", but the referenced article doesn't say this at all! It just says that as time went on, quartz started replacing purely mechanical approaches to tracking time. It is possible to buy a full automatic knock off watch that tells the time for about $100 USD. I don't think it's a good idea to generalize on the technologies found in the typical watch at a given price point, that's really all over the map. Someone looking to read about a watch needs a general overview on wrist and pocket watches, a basic history, checked facts, etc. and then the article should refer to the article on Mechanical Watch, Time and Pocket Watch.
I will do my best to tighten up the article with whatever references I can find.
Derekd73 ( talk) 05:34, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
The "history of watches" entry redirects to History of timekeeping devices, which has a short section on Watches, which directs the reader back to the "Watches" page. On History of Timekeeping Devices, there is no mention of the Digital watch. That article expects this article to provide a history of watches. Can someone please decide what to do and move that section or flush it out? It would be a great read on its own, I agree :)
Derekd73 ( talk) 10:26, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Here in Brazil, people say that the first person to invent the practicability of using a watch on the wrist was the Brazilian inventor Alberto Santos Dumont. As he was going about his mechanical experiments, each time he wanted to check the hour, he found it clumsy to reach for a pocket watch, so he experimented fastening the watch to his wrist. From this to designing a watch shaped expressly to be worn in the wrist was a short jump. João Carlos de Rezende Martins ( talk) 19:32, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
I've never read an explanation for those extra circular readouts on some wristwatch faces (see the picture of the "space" watch in the article). One dial seems to have six hours marked along its circumference, another has 45 minutes. If these could be set independently, they might be useful, but my experience is that they're tied to the main hour reading. Of what use is a dial that goes around four times a day and another that goes around 32 times a day? These would seem to be redundant information. WHPratt ( talk) 19:36, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Timetables are always printed in a digital manner: Thus the plane, train or bus will be “leaving at 11:15”, never it will be “leaving when the short hand points upwards except for a small angle to the left and when the long hand points to the right”.
To compare the watch reading with the timetable is thus much easier and more straightforward with a modern digital watch than with an old-fashioned analog watch. Even inexpensive digital watches are also usually more accurate than the most expensive analog watches. (See COSC). Why then are analog watches still being manufactured and sold? This is partly explained by the fact that analog watches are often heavily advertised as being both jewels and timepieces rather than just timepieces.
A typical digital watch will display: SUN 01-29, 17:25:15. It is all there except for the year, which is 2012. The watch does in fact keep track of the year too, checking whether it is a leap year, but the year is not displayed for reasons of space. Most people keep track of the year anyway. Sixtamia 10:44, 26 February 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sixtamia ( talk • contribs)
The Financial Times for Sept. 8, 2012 has an interesting article considering the virtues of craft over precision. Mechanical watchmakers try to increase precision by introducing ever higher escapement frequencies. But “nothing they produce will match the accuracy of a cheap electronic watch.” Sixtamia 09:22, 11 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sixtamia ( talk • contribs) 09:17, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
I have edited a section that claimed the term sweep seconds refer to the gliding motion of a second hand in a mechanical watch. This is not correct, sweep seconds is a second hand mounted in the center of the watch face, as opposed to in a subdial. It literally sweeps the face of the watch. For sources see here or search for seconds in this horological dictionary. Ramskjell ( talk) 06:57, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
This list is not substantiated by any references my Internet search engines turn up.
Flight-certified by NASA for all manned space missions: Omega Speedmaster Professional 3570.50.00
Flight-Qualified by NASA for space missions: Omega Speedmaster Professional X-33 Casio G-Shock DW-5600C Casio G-Shock DW-5600E Casio G-Shock DW-5900 Casio G-Shock DW-6900 Casio G-Shock Master of G G-9000 Timex IRONMAN Triathlon Data Link
I found it here: http://mobile.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=187&t=839828&mid=0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.169.97.151 ( talk) 23:47, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
I was wondering if there is an agreed upon policy/standard/mechanism for listing printed material a reader may find for more information.
To be specific, there have been a number of new books written in the past 3 years that help Gruen watch collectors. In the past there has been only 1 dedicated to Gruens. I also know of and have collected a number of magazine articles on Gruens, from the early research by Charlie Cleves in the AWCI journals, to dedicated publications by the NAWCC, and recent articles, three in the past 6 months I believe. New collectors to the brand have more tools now than ever but there isn't a place to find them without visiting the sites shown in "External links" section.
Please excuse my ignorance of Wikipedia and how it works. If there is an "owner"/"moderator" of the Gruen Wikipedia page Gruen_Watch_Co. , I have a good list of books and journals that I can supply. If I am supposed to edit the page myself, some direction on what section name and format to use would be great. An example page would be even better.
-- MikeTheWatchGuy ( talk) 03:35, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
The global watch industry will generate more than $60 billion in sales in 2013, said Citigroup Inc. analyst Oliver Chen. While that’s smaller than the pool of revenue that comes from TVs, gross margins on watches are about 60 percent, he said. That’s four times bigger than for televisions, according to Anand Srinivasan, a Bloomberg Industries analyst. TG Daily, September 2, 2013. — Ark25 ( talk) 11:28, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
Guinness World Records says there is no concrete evidence to support wrist watches prior to 1868.
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