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This quote was mentioned prominently in the article, in the summary at the start, but with a bad source. I have looked a little bit (standard google search) but have been unable to locate an authoritative source for this quote, just several trivia lists and quote lists. Since this is a rather extreme statement for a president in office to make, I think we need a really good source here, ideally a newspaper from the time.
As a bare minimum, we should be able to establish exactly *when* he said this and to whom, and perhaps also in what circumstances. None of the sources I found provide any background, they simply repeat the quote verbatim. As long as we cannot even pin a date on this quote, I do not believe it should be in this encyclopedia. -- KarlFrei ( talk) 11:30, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I've edited the paragraph about Harding's aid to Russia during the famine (under "Presidency 1921–1923"), but I'm not sure what's left is 100%. The fact that it included an innuendo about Trotsky's involvement in Harding's death makes me doubt the reliability of the whole paragraph. That, and the fact that three prominent Jewish Bolsheviks were referred to by their less well-known but more Jewish-sounding birth names and are exclusively blamed for the Red Terror. Unfortunately I don't know enough to separate the facts from any possible anti-Jewish bias, although the Wikipedia article on the Red Terror doesn't seem to substantiate the association of Trotsky and Kamenev in particular with the terror. Also the claim that Harding's actions alone saved 10 million lives seems hard to believe and a cursory search on Google didn't turn up anything to support it. GlassWhale ( talk) 14:57, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
"Warren G. Harding organized massive humanitarian help to starving Russian people during 1921 - 1922. His efforts saved at least 10 million Russians and Ukrainians from "Golodomor" organized by communists at that time. Harding's activities reportedly upset Leon Trotsky, Lev Kamenev and Grigory Zinoviev who were responsible for the Red Terror in Russia at the time. After Harding's death in 1923 all humanitarian help to Russia was discontinued."
Can anyone provide a cite for this? I've removed the paragraph for now. GlassWhale ( talk) 12:59, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
From today's NYTimes:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/magazine/06wwln-essay-t.html
I think some coverage of this should go into this article. -- John Bahrain ( talk) 15:16, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I just wanted to know about Harding's name, but what's with the Bancroft Winnipeg? I don't think thats right! If it is please source that, or not take it off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.231.125.138 ( talk) 20:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
I wonder if the best solution to the problems for this article is just to write a separate section addressing all the disputes at once. Start out by stating that there is disagreement about Harding and much of the conventional wisdom is disputed by Harding scholars. Explain the problem of the presidential papers believed to be destroyed. List some of the main sources against Harding (eg, Means, White) and show their bias and unreliability. Cite some of the contemporary historians that challenge the standard account. Point out that the "worst president" consensus is also challenged. Then list all the specific widespread rumors that are disproved or questioned.
Then that section could stand alone while all the other stuff remains in the main bio. Personally, I side with the Harding revisionists, but even if it were possible (which I doubt) to purge the Wiki article of all the traditional falsehoods, there's no way they're going to be gone from the world at large. People are going to read these things about Harding in sources that look reliable. If they come to Wikipedia and there's no mention, they're going to wonder. Better to let the traditional bio stand and then show the evidence against it separately. If the revisionist case is well-documented it can stand on its own merits.
By the way, one more thing I would question: The "smoke-filled room" story, in spite of being widely repeated (even in Britannica), has no real evidence for it and is likely apocryphal. It's fine to mention it, but I don't think it should be stated as fact. Iglew ( talk) 08:32, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
User:Adavidb and I are having a dispute regarding the following quote: "I have no trouble with my enemies," Harding said, "but my damn friends, they're the ones that keep me walking the floor nights!" I argue that no reliable source for this quote can be found, and that it should therefore be removed. So far, Adavidb has come up with a website of the State of Delaware, the White House website, Grolier online, and two more websites. I do not think that any of these are particularly well-suited as a reliable source. I think we need a primary source or work done by a historian. Does anyone here disagree? Please explain. -- KarlFrei ( talk) 08:19, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Get ready for Warren "Gansta" Harding. Thank you colbert... ♠♦Д narchistPig♥♣ ( talk) 03:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Lets also mention he was the first secret black president!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.174.5.55 ( talk) 06:50, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
No, Colbert Nation, the "G" does not stand for Gangster. - Dravecky ( talk) 03:48, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Correct, it does not stand for "gangster." It's "gangsta"-- obviously, you're not one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vtphattie ( talk • contribs) 03:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Aww, what's the big deal. The guy's dead! -- Maestro25 ( talk) 03:49, 10 June 2008 (U TC)
It's been removed but it was funny while it lasted. Thegiantpaperpanda ( talk) 03:59, 10 June 2008 (UTC) We try to keep Wikipedia a reliable source, I move we lock this page until the Colbert Nation moves on... Atomicswoosh ( talk) 03:51, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Moves on? Colbert Nation will never forget! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.80.237.29 ( talk) 05:10, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
P.S. Thanks for the lock Atomicswoosh ( talk) 03:51, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
in less than a minute, the wiki page was changed. lol, gotta love the internet. Go colbert, next president of the US of A!!! Snugg ( talk) 03:52, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Please do not edit my comments. I love Colbert but the integrity of the project must be preserved. - Dravecky ( talk) 03:52, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
I think someone with adequate writing skills should also update Colbert's page under 'wikipedia mentions' to include this. If it sits for more than an hour, then nobody will remember it ever happened!!! :P Snugg ( talk) 04:02, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Please vandalise away. I have a feeling you might be making Mr Colbert's point for him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.220.6 ( talk) 01:39, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
But heck people still vandalise latchkey kid so yesterday might never end for some. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.45.166.232 ( talk) 18:58, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Fully protected. Thank you again Mr. Colbert. – Clockwork Soul 03:51, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
P.S. change the title above his pic. still says Gangsta Snugg ( talk) 03:52, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
I believe all Gangsta has been removed. Shall we lock it again and throw away the key this time?
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his middle name is not gangsta, it is Gamaliel!
Hi Everyone. Just wanted to let you know that I'm preparing a spoken article on President Harding. Should be ready to go up as soon as the lock is removed. Bowie60 ( talk) 22:03, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
I moved that sentence from the end of the section on his death into the section on his Senate career, where it is more appropriate, and re-worded it for the new context.-- Unscented ( talk) 23:44, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
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I would like to add a citation for the following sentence in the article: "She has been credited with helping Harding achieve more than he might have alone; some have speculated that she later pushed him all the way to the White House." I found the following passage that seems to support the claim: "And Harding had no illusions about himself. He was a joiner, a booster, a glad-handler. This was the life he loved, and he wanted no other. But relentlessly his wife - "the Duchess," he called her - pushed her Warron on; and in the end, against his pathetic wisps of better judgment, he found himself President of the United States." The citation is as follows: "Schlesinger, Arthur M., Jr. The Age of Roosevelt: The Crisis of the Old Order, 1919-1933, 1957 (page 50).
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Also, I noticed that this article was previously edited to remove a quotation in which Harding stated he was unfit to serve as President. In fact, he did say the following, "I am not fit for this office and should never have been here." I think it's worth putting the quotation back in. The quotation is set out in Schlesinger, Arthur M., Jr. The Age of Roosevelt: The Crisis of the Old Order, 1919-1933, 1957 on page 51. Schlesinger then additionally cites the following for the quotation: "Adams, Incredible Era, 7-8; W.A. White, Autobiography (New York, 1946), 619; W. A. White, Masks in a Pageant (New York, 1928), 431; N.M. Butler, Across the Busy Years (New York, 1939), I, 411." Seems pretty solid.
Esprit80 ( talk) 05:44, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
The problem with saying that Warren G. Harding was the first African-American President is that it is a theory that is unproven by fact. While many people believe this concept - some even go to great lengths to self publish books on the topics, there is no way to scientifically prove the concept, nor is there any way to verify generally accepted documents that could show this is even a possibility. The rumor that Harding was black rages about based on two quotes, one by Harding himself (where he says he doesn't know if it could be true, the other a rumor started by his future father-in-law meant to destroy Harding's business and reputation.) Consider verifiable these FACTS on the matter:
1) Harding's alleged "black" lineage can not be proven through United States Census forms, death certificate, or any other PRIMARY SOURCE document. As far back as the 1850 census (the first to name all people enumerated, and designate their race) Harding's father and mother are enumerated as white. This is most frequently dismissed by Harding Conspiracy followers who claim the census forms were doctored after the fact as part of a Federal Government cover-up.
2) There is no DNA proof of Harding's alleged "black blood", (nor is there proof that Harding fathered Elizabeth Ann Christian).
3) Harding was not raised as a cultural "black" that is to say that he was not raised within the black community, and therefore would have not had the same cultural experiences that other blacks in the era would have had.
4) "Black Harding" promoters will point to William Estabrook Chancellor's book on Harding as proof of government conspiracy. And it is interesting how swifty the government worked to squash the book and get its copies. But if one looks at Chancellor's research methodology (and we step away from those who claim that the book was supressed) - all of it based on hearsay - any student in college today who would present this type of research in the form of a paper, masters thesis or dissertation would have been thrown out of college for faulty research!
5) Some of the promoters of this theory of Harding's "blackness" on "family stories". While folklore is not always untrue, folklore can be embellished from storyteller to storyteller. Ask anyone who studies it, folklore is at the mercy of the one who passes it on.
6) The promoters of these theories go to great lengths to attack the people who poke logical holes in their wishful arguments. They can not refute the facts, so they attack the people who question their beliefs. Take a look at the "reviews" of Harding books published in the past ten years in places like Amazon and B&N online and you'll get an idea how some people will attack those who do not buy into the black "Black Harding" myth.
If Wikipedia were to add information that Harding was the first black President, without irrfetable proof, it simply ads another chain in the long list of unrliable misinformation. Askthecoolcookie ( talk) 14:23, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
I would like to add the following text:
"While traditionally ranked as the worst American President in history, Harding's reputation has been rising since the 1990s. Most recently, the British Times Online, reported that a recent survey shows that Harding's reputation is rising. While still ranked in the bottom ten, The Times ranking now places Harding at 34th of 43 men who have held the job, the bottom rung now occupied by Abraham Lincoln's predecessor James Buchanan."
(Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5030539.ece) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Askthecoolcookie ( talk • contribs) 13:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Done Cmguy777 ( talk) 04:33, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
See the article Warren G. That guy is a rapper. The G in his name stands for Griffin, not gangsta. Same for Harding. Are you ready for IPv6? ( talk) 10:17, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Anyone have a better reference that the guy had aphasia than an under-construction page on "doctorzebra.com"? It seems like the claim has been copied around to various sites, but I don't see anything that I would consider a solid reference for the claim.
For example, there is some detailed discussion about his medical history here [4] but there is no mention of aphasia.
-- Martinde ( talk) 01:34, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
James David Robenalt's the Harding Affair, Love and Espionage During Great War (Palgrave/Macmillan) is scheduled to release on Spetmeber 1, 2009. There will need to be changes to the Harding article based on this work, of which I have read an advance copy. The book goes into excrutiating detail on the Harding/Phillips affair and this article will need to be amended and the work cited - it is extremly well cited to primary source material. Robenalt was able to get a copy of the letters, determined that the copyright on the letters had expiried and has written an impressive, though demanding book. Editors should have a head up. 68.252.62.180 ( talk) 19:08, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
There is an item under "Major events during presidency" that says: "Resignation of Harding's Attorney General for accepting bribes."
This info is incorrect and needs to be deleted.
Harry Daugherty was Harding's attorney general and he held office well into President Coolidge's term of office. When he did resign his position, he was not being prosecuted for bribery.
Albert Fall, the Secretary of the Interior resigned during Harding's presidency but was not under suspicion for bribery at the time of his resignation.
Please correct this info.
Goman1 ( talk) 05:23, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
Is there any other portrait available for use in the infobox? Call me crazy, but I particularly dislike the current one, I feel (personally) that it looks a bit threatening. Would an official White House portrait be suitable? Connormah ( talk) 19:33, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm a bit surprised the senator picture (right) is no longer being used. I don't mind which image in used, including the current painting, but can we decide by concensus? If the old image isn't the best one for the main infobox, it would be good to use it to illustrate the senate career section. YeshuaDavid • Talk • 21:22, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
The main article lists that his personal physician at the time of his death was the surgeon general. This is simply not true. He should *not* be listed as the surgeon general. ( 76.89.158.250 ( talk) 21:56, 1 October 2009 (UTC))
The Man who resigned his cabinet post while Harding was president was Albert Fall, Secretary of the interior. It was not Harry Daugherty, Attorney General. This needs to be corrected in the section titled "Major Events dring Presidency". Harry Daughterty acted attorney general well into Collodge's term as president. Evem the "Administration and cabinet" table of the article shows this. Thank you for your help with this correction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goman1 ( talk • contribs) 21:10, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
{{ editsemiprotected}} Please change Warren Gangsta Harding to his proper name of Warren Gamaliel Harding.
173.71.197.211 ( talk) 14:45, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Done-- JayJasper ( talk) 14:47, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
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Please remove this from the ===Administrative scandals=== section.
(Aside from the bribes and personal loans, the leases were fully legal.)
They weren't fully legal...and it explains that on both the Albert B. Fall and Teapot Dome Scandal pages as follows:
" In 1922, Albert B. Fall, U.S. Secretary of the Interior, leased, without competitive bidding, the Teapot Dome fields to Harry F. Sinclair of Sinclair Oil, and the field at Elk Hills, California, to Edward L. Doheny. In 1922 and 1923, these transactions became the subject of a sensational U.S. Senate investigation conducted by Senator Thomas J. Walsh."
Joseph setorius ( talk) 09:40, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Not done: Please provide a reliable source which supports your conclusion. Wikipedia is not a reliable source and, regardless, it isn't obvious that the lack of competitive bidding would be illegal. Thanks, Celestra ( talk) 13:58, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
If Fall took a bribe for awarding Oil leases to his cronies, then they could not be legal. { Cmguy777 ( talk) 01:55, 21 May 2010 (UTC)}
This section tends to turn into a series of personal attacks against Harding's speaking style. Harding was a newspaper man and knew exactly what he was doing. The press loved him for his mistakes and his verbal foibles. If you listen to his speeches Harding drones on, but what he said was very comforting to all the families coping with losses from WWI. { Cmguy777 ( talk) 01:55, 21 May 2010 (UTC)}
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We need to include the list of actors who have portrayed Harding. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.173.110.95 ( talk) 00:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
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Loved your edits. You are quite right in each instance except one. I did remove the "finacially" from the Marion Daily Star mention as one of three papers in Marion. The Star did have money problems, however it also had little if any local reporting and wasn't always a printed "daily". To say that it was the weakest paper covers all bases, including that of its finance issues. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stude62 ( talk • contribs) 23:53, 27 December 2004 (UTC)
Why doesn't the article author mention the serious part of Hardings politics:
The Raising of tarriffs on imports and the reduction of taxes, creating the basis for the roaring twenties.
according to some sources, many US companies grew so wealthy during this period that most didn't even need bank financing.
also the money supply increased during his presidency, continuing to do so after his death under his vice president Calvin Coolidge. Why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.172.204.59 ( talk) 11:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
{{ editsemiprotected}} Warren Harding's middle name is not "Gangsta" as the wiki page suggests but rather it is Gamaliel as noted by Britannica's website: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/255071/Warren-G-Harding —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.118.226.244 ( talk) 01:01, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks to everyone who has contributed and improved the Warren G. Harding article. I have attempted to get the article into GA status, adding more information on Harding's presidency while remaining critical of his administration and personal life. Any suggestions to improve the article are welcome.{ Cmguy777 ( talk) 03:06, 29 June 2010 (UTC)}
With the improvements I am going to change the article up from a C status to a B status. It has work to be done to get a GA, but the quality has improved. { Cmguy777 ( talk) 03:12, 29 June 2010 (UTC)}
Siena College Research Institute's recent survey of 238 presidential scholars puts harding as 3rd to last, after W. even. This almost entirely refutes the last paragraph of the opening section. The section needs to be changed, I would do it, but since I'm a stranger to this article, I'll wait to see if someone else does it. M4bwav ( talk) 19:54, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
This section was filled with all sorts of POV information about the economic policies of Harding that were frankly just wrong. They were based on a single source, a dubious article by Thomas Woods that claimed that tax cuts and an otherwise laissez-faire policy by Harding ended that recession and set the state for a decade of growth before the Great Depression. In fact, nearly every fact mentioned by Woods is belied by the actual sources, which I included in my update of the section. I didn't cite unemployment rates because they are unreliable, but the 12% rate is a high estimate, and other sources put the top unemployment rate under 9% (see the Wikipedia article on the 1920-1921 recession). GDP decline rates were also wrong. The previous text, following woods, seemed to imply that tax cuts helped stop the recession. In fact, they occurred after the recession was over. There was some action by the Fed during 1921, indicating they did not pursue a laissez-faire policy but instead eased credit to end the recession, though not uniformly. (In fact, rates were set regionally in those days.) Also, the "Roaring 20s" actually contained 3 recessions and a lower rate of growth than the 1933-1940 period. Summary: Woods is an unreliable source, when compared to reliable and official sources. His article is still included as a citation of those who misrepresent this period, hopefully to avoid a revert or later inclusion of incorrect information.
I might have the citation style wrong. I chose "web" even though many of the sources are online versions of books or spreadsheets. If someone is a stickler for formatting of this kind of thing they can check the links and verify that my sources are correct (and widely accepted, official sources. Llachglin ( talk) 00:43, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Depression of 1920–21= before Harding and Coolidge. 1923–24 recession= Warren G. Harding died, possibly why it happened? 1926–27 recession= thought to be caused largely because Henry Ford closed production in his factories for six months to switch from production of the Model T to the Model A. After Harding during Coolidge. Great Depression 1929-1933= after Harding and Coolidge. This needs to change "Thomas E. Woods, however, contends in the Fall 2009 issue of The International Review, that the tax cuts implemented by President Harding ended the Depression of 1920-21 and were responsible for creating a decade-long expansion. In fact, there were three recessions in the 1920s prior to the Great Depression and the rate of recovery was slower than during the Great Depression." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.137.180.243 ( talk) 13:29, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
I've done an edit you can keep it or not. It sounded to me like unduly blaming a man for events he was not at fault for, maybe reword how they are written? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.137.180.243 ( talk) 12:09, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
The statement that "it was well known that Harding kept supplies of bootleg liquor at the White House during prohibition", is referenced with the website "1920-1930.com". Does this quailfy as a reliable source for Wikipedia purposes? 2tuntony ( talk) 15:45, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
The Presidential scandals section needs to be enlarged and divided into sub sections. Cmguy777 ( talk) 04:06, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Moved links to talk page. Cmguy777 ( talk) 05:11, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Can the editor who continues to add uncited fictional movie references into a biography of a real life person, please explain why this information is so pertinent to the article.-- Jojhutton ( talk) 01:02, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
I am removing this summary since it is already covered in the opening. Cmguy777 ( talk) 01:48, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
Warren G. Harding was an ambitious self made man risen from obscurity on an Ohio farm; graduated as a rural teacher from college; and owned the Marion Daily Star newspaper; having gained journalist training on his father's newspaper working while a boy and at college. Harding, a strikingly handsome young man, began his career in the Republican party at the 1887 Ohio State Republican Convention. Harding also married the daughter of the wealthiest banker in Marion County. A natural politician, Harding served two terms as Ohio State senator in 1900 and served one term as Ohio's lieutenant governor. In 1910 he ran unsuccessfully for Ohio State governor; however, having gained national exposure from the governor's race he was elected U.S. Senator by a landslide 100,000 vote victory in 1914. In 1920, Harding was the compromise candidate at the Republican national convention and was elected the 29th President of the United States. [1]
The treatment of Harding's corruption scandals in the introduction is apologetic. The pertinent paragraph emphasizes credit for the "notable men" he chose, distracting attention from his scandals. Then it downplays his involvement as a trifle mistake, noting he was careless and employing the passive voice and presenting scandals as logical consequence. I think nepotism is what it should be called. Here is the paragraph:
Ben T/ C 11:29, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Should the WGH article have a separate Presidency article to save space? Cmguy777 ( talk) 20:53, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
I have added tags showing where we need more sources for verification. I am working through the article as I read Russell's biography and hope to supply cites to that source. Others are needed as well. Carmarg4 ( talk) 22:22, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
It appears from a New York Times article that Harding took a stand against Prohibition many times while U.S. Senator. In fact he approved the Reed Amendment that gave alchohol industry compensation from the Government and tried to defeat the 18th Amendment with a six-year clause. Harding appears to be embedded with the alchohol industry. Would this explain why President Harding was reluctant to prosecute violators of the 18th Amendment and drank bootleg liquor? Cmguy777 ( talk) 01:43, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Just FYI, in other FAC and GAC reviews, the reviewers consistently advise that WP link should be made at the earliest point in the article, and not duplicated thereafter. My own opinion is "what's the harm?" but that seems to be the "rule". Carmarg4 ( talk) 15:27, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
There has been no DNA testing for Hardings race in any of his family members, as far as I know. If Harding had a direct relative, who had sons, whose sons had sons, then, possibly a DNA test could be taken. The Dr. Foster test had used DNA from Jefferson's uncle that indicated Jefferson could be the the father of one of Sally Heming's children. I don't believe that the black ancestry allegation should be dismissed with Harding. Cmguy777 ( talk) 17:26, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
I believe there should be a seperate segment and Harding on Civil Rights, combining any inter related civil rights issues. Cmguy777 ( talk) 22:39, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
I am not sure why the "by whom?" tag was put in this section. Why was this tag put in the section? Cmguy777 ( talk) 01:43, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Does the research actually state that President Harding had a meeting with Jesse Smith in 1923 before Smith committed suicide? Adams mentions that Smith was told through U.S. Attorney Daugherty to leave Washington and that his security clearance at the White House was taken away. Cmguy777 ( talk) 03:42, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Adams mentions something similar that Smith was indirectly informed that President Harding did not want him at the White House anymore and to leave Washington. Smith, according to Adams, felt rejected since many others were into graft while he was told to leave. Smith did leave Washington briefly and then returned to Daugherty's apartment where he allegedly killed himself. I found one photo at LOC where Smith, Attorney General Daugherty, and President Harding are at a baseball game. Cmguy777 ( talk) 02:39, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
We have two official portraits of WGH. We need to find out which one is the official portrait and rename/delete the other. Carmarg4 ( talk) 13:54, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
According to Dr. Wilbur, who was an eyewitness to the account, Harding's casket, traveled up Market and Geary Street. Wilbur mentioned there were funeral services, whatever that means is unknown. There must have been some formal procession. Wilbur did not say Harding's body remained in state. There was music, again what kind of music was unknown, and the people of San Francisco watched as Harding's funeral procession went to the railroad station. The funeral procession, however, was very basic or not very showey. Harding's body traveled by an automobile hearse, possibly making him the first President to have a funeral procession by automobile. I am not sure what a hearse looked like in 1923, whether the casket could be viewed by the people. Is there some way to mix this in with the newspaper accounts? Here is a link for a photo of a 1923 hearse: 1923 hearse Cmguy777 ( talk) 05:43, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
On Harding's "Voyage of Understanding" he talked with Fall's wife in Kansas and became visibly upset. Also, when Harding received a coded message while traveling to Alaska, he became upset again. Could it possibly be that Harding was upset over information on Albert Fall concerning Tea Pot Dome? Maybe Harding did know something about an impending scandal with Albert Fall. Cmguy777 ( talk) 23:30, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
I believe it would be good to have a good article attempt; hopefully an objective view will be able to make any neccessary adjustments. Anyone agree? Cmguy777 ( talk) 01:48, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Why do we have a section on "Popular music early 1920's"? The songs seem unrelated to Harding. There is a separate article on the 1920s, Roaring Twenties. Perhaps it'd be best just to link to that, and include the songs there. Will Beback talk 22:48, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
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Is there anymore information on President Harding's trip to Alaska. Photos or postcards seem to be the only reliabe source for President Harding in Alaska. My concern is where did the President go first and then next in chronological order. Is their any record of Harding's whereabouts in Alaska? Cmguy777 ( talk) 05:52, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
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Wasn't there a conspiracy theory that he'd been drugged? 109.157.234.103 ( talk) 17:10, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Votes are needed on the Thomas Jefferson talk page, (1st section) Gwillhickers ( talk) 02:24, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Did President Harding ever visit the Canadian territory of Nunavut? If so it should be noted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.68.23.85 ( talk) 00:57, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
The "Personal controversies" section needs to be cleaned up. There is an article in the Washington Post by Carl Sferrazza Anthony titled, " A President Of the Peephole ". According to this article Harding's affairs go beyond just two women. If the Washington Post and Anthony are reliable sources, then the WP article could be used in this article. Apparently, President Harding had an "addiction" to young women and sex. I believe the subject matter can be discussed appropriately without sensationalism. Cmguy777 ( talk) 17:10, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
The section on US postage and Warren Harding should be removed. Although it is interesting that Harding has been in 5 series of stamps, this isn't worthy of an encyclopedia. To contrast Harding showing up on a stamp in 1923 after one month with Lincoln appearing on a stamp by 1865 (one year after his death) is a testament to modernization of postage and growth of the US post office system and stamp production, in general, not some statement about the affection of Warren Harding vis-a-vis Abraham Lincoln. To suggest the same is preposterous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.127.50.100 ( talk) 19:32, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Most blogs would not be suitable for an assertion like this, but I'd be inclined to accept a "Ohio Historical Society Blog". Any objections? Will Beback talk 09:17, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Is there any chance the Warren G. Harding article can get to a GA status? What needs to be done to get started in order to improve the quality of the article? Cmguy777 ( talk) 01:27, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
The general view, and the Wiki entry seems to accept it, is that Harding took a courageous or principled stand in his Birmingham speech when he spoke out against lynching (26 October 1921). But researching the black newspapers, as well as reading the speech verbatim from the Christian Science Monitor (27 October 1921), it seems we need a more nuanced view, or perhaps one that puts his speech in more of a historical context. Yes, the speech was considered controversial, and some white southern senators opposed even his suggestion that blacks and whites deserved equal educational opportunities. But I'd like to add some context from the black press-- and although I do not know how to do so in correct Wikipedia style (I'm a very good media historian, but alas, a neo-Luddite. I have never figured out how to do the footnote thing with the proper Wikipedia coding. I only know how to do internal footnotes and then write out where I found the quote).
So, may I (or could someone else) add some reaction from the black press? The main problem black commentators saw was that Harding seemed totally accepting of segregation. In fact, in the speech, he said he did not believe there should be "racial amalgamation." The Monitor picked up on this, titling the article "President's Views on Race Problem" but sub-heading the article "Negro should have Political and Economic Equality, But Not in Social or Racial Matters, Mr. Harding Says in Alabama." In the speech, Harding advocated for better educational opportunities for blacks, but his reasoning was that such education would help black people to develop their own leaders who would better understand the need for racial and social segregation, which he said was "natural," based on their distinct differences; but within each race, the members could still have high aspirations and the desire to achieve them within their own societies.
But what really upset the black press was the following quote, which I hope some nice editor will help me to add to Wikiquotes:
"The black man should seek to be, and he should be encouraged to be, the best possible black man and not the best possible imitation of a white man." (quoted in the Christian Science Monitor, 27 October 1921, p. 2)
So, I'd be eager to enhance the entry, not to insult Mr. Harding's memory but to enhance the information students have about what President Harding said, and how both the white and black audiences of his day reacted to it. DonnaHalper ( talk) 19:51, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
I moved the Perryville station photo into the talk page. Attempting to reduce photos in the "Veterans Bureau" scandal section. The photo had less historical signifigance then the Forbes and Dr. Sawyer photos. Cmguy777 ( talk) 00:03, 20 June 2011 (UTC) File:Perryville PWB Station.JPG|thumb|center|225px|Veterans' Bureau director Charles R. Forbes defrauded the U.S. government millions of dollars at the Perryville depot.
I have moved the following image to reduce overcrowding in the Presidency section. File:Warren Harding video montage.ogg|thumb|Motion picture footage of US President Warren G. Harding. Hoppyh ( talk) 00:24, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
I have moved the following image from the Joint Session section which has insufficient room. Image:Harding-address-Coolidge-Gillett.jpg|thumb|President Harding addresses a joint session of [[United States Congress|Congress in April 1921: Calvin Coolidge and Frederick H. Gillett seated behind. Hoppyh ( talk) 00:27, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
This photo has been moved to the talk page. A photo during the time period had been added. Cmguy777 ( talk) 04:07, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Moved this photo to the talk page. The photo, overcrowds the legacy section. There is also what appears to be a "flash reflection" in the photo. Cmguy777 ( talk) 22:13, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
I'll look it over in more detail when I have more time. Specifically, Tanana, Alaska is nowhere near either previously or currently existing rail infrastructure. Perhaps you're confusing the village of Tanana (near the mouth of the Tanana River) with the Tanana Valley (which typically describes the area along the Tanana River surrounding Fairbanks, considerably upriver from there). RadioKAOS ( talk) 22:47, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Fixed Cmguy777 ( talk) 01:10, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Moved to talk page. Replaced with earlier black and white photo. Cmguy777 ( talk) 19:31, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
I suggest removing Harding's historical rankings since historians are reevalutating President Harding's presidency in office. Any objections? Cmguy777 ( talk) 06:51, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
MOS:LEAD suggests 3 or 4 paragraphs for an article of this length. (See WP:LEADLENGTH) I suggest trimming the lead by about 1/3rd while giving due weight to the various sections in the article. Thoughts?
Hope my shortened lede (Feb. 19th 2013) is appropriate. 109.157.18.114 ( talk) 19:13, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Though in poor health, Harding went on an extended westward tour, with a compulsive agenda of speeches and meetings. He stayed up all hours on the train, playing cards, talking, playing cards, speaking. . . Even from the account given in this article, one gets the impression that this behavior was bizarre, particularly since the re-election campaign season was far in the future (by the standards of those days). It cries out for an explanation, which this article does not provide. This man appeared to be panicking inwardly. The usual guess is that Harding was staying away from Washington, trying to keep occupied, because of concern over some new scandal, or perhaps the many scandals finally reaching him personally. 69.119.169.59 ( talk) 10:39, 20 February 2013 (UTC)captcrisis
As I understand, Harding had been initiated years ago, but failed to advance due to a member of his lodge blocking him from moving on-- not a normal happening, but not totally unheard of. I think I read in a biography this might have been because the member believed rumors of Harding's possible African-American ancestry. Anyway, with Harding's national profile, it became embarrassing to the Masons that he hadn't been allowed to take his degrees (to be considered a full member of freemasonry, you must be a Master Mason), so the black-balling member absented himself, and the advancement occurred. Does someone have access to something that can be referred to for the story? The current sentence doesn't quite capture the subtlety of the situation. PhilD86 ( talk) 23:32, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
'Their remains were re-interred December 20, 1927, at the newly completed Harding Memorial in Marion in 1931.'
The lead is too long, and it reads like a Harding campaign advertisement. John Paul Parks ( talk) 15:04, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
I am delighted that Cmguy777 added Allan Nevins / Dictionary of American Biography. Nevins for 50 years has been my #1 favorite historian. Rjensen ( talk) 06:57, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
Here are some brief biographies of Malone and Nevins Cmguy777 ( talk) 14:18, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
Several of the refs are messed up, eg, #2, Ingalls (1974), has no antecedent nor can it be matched with anything in the Bibliography. 70.131.150.169 ( talk) 05:20, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Starting a new discussion, as we now have consensus to remove the Daily Show but have started to discuss the "Media portrayals" section.
While I'm leaning toward taking out the "media portrayals" section, I'm not going to argue strongly and am fine with it either way. I'd say we certainly do not have consensus for removing this section, and suggest putting it back in until such time as we do have consensus. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 15:25, 14 May 2015 (UTC)