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Analysis
Now that it has been flagged, is that one-man section really worth keeping in the article? There are lots of more concise analysis scattered throughout the article. The current section in question just sounds like borderline personal essay.
Borgenland (
talk) 17:43, 25 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Not unless other analyses can be found. What's currently there says a whole lot of nothing. â
Compassionate727Â (
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C) 17:14, 26 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The Name is not proper for a Wikipedia article, it should be capitalized, example: Sudanese Civil War (2023-present. Other examples
South Sudanese Civil War. Should I request a move to fix it?
BigRed606 (
talk) 21:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)reply
It uses sentence case because it's a descriptive title, not a proper name. Sources haven't settled on a proper name for this war yet. â
Compassionate727Â (
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C) 22:26, 26 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Requested move 26 May 2024
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Oppose. Are there appropriate sources to support this claim? Previous attempts have been shot down as
WP:OR.
Borgenland (
talk) 21:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose. We don't use made up Wikipedia names for things, and I also find the numbering rather problematic as it can be hard to define what's a civil was and what isn't. Present title is recognizable and good.  âÂ
Amakuru (
talk) 22:23, 26 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose Yet again, we dont make up random names on wikipedia.
Lukt64 (
talk) 00:37, 27 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose Sudan has been in conflict for so long, it is hard to tell which one we're up to (if we're adding the Darfur and South Kordofan conflicts, we'd be up to the fifth one, but even then you could theoretically lump that into its own 'Third' conflict).
Shadowboxer2005 (
talk) 03:41, 27 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose. While I do admit that I prefer the proposed name for several reasons, Wikipedia doesn't follow the whims of its editors.
WP:RSs haven't been calling it that, therefore we can't. A part of me hopes they'll do so eventually... but hey, what're you going to do?
ZionniThePeruser (
talk) 04:51, 27 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Clarification: I meant explaining it in the disambiguation page--
Sudanese Civil War--not the article's title. I *oppose changing the article's title to Third Sudanese Civil War, but I added the clarification that this is the third such major civil war in Sudan.
JohnAdams1800 (
talk) 15:54, 27 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose I don't think we have enough sources and information right now to back up this name. We have also discussed this name in the past. So for now I support the current name of the article.
Vamos Palmeiras (
talk) 18:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)reply
support this move in principle but unfortunately I have no usable argument to back it up other than my opposition to Wikipedia's article title policies and that's another discussion altogether that I don't even know how to start.
Charles Essie (
talk) 21:04, 27 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Naming this war the Third SCW is misleading as this war is not related to first and second. This is why the
Darfur War was not named the third SCW, and the many other conflicts that followed.
Support If this page shouldn't be renamed to Third Sudanese Civil War, then why did we name the first two Sudanese Civil Wars the
First and
Second Sudanese Civil War? Leaving this page Sudanese Civil War (2023âpresent) is like naming the first civil war article Sudanese Civil War (1955â1972) and the second Sudanese Civil War (1983â2005). Obviously renaming this page Third Sudanese Civil war is a good idea especially the names of the articles of the first two civil wars of
Sudan are First and Second Sudanese Civil War's respectively. I agree that this page should be changed and that I 100% support Interstellarity's decision. Also, this page;s current namer doesn't make any sense as I already explained earlier, thanks.
219.77.28.65 (
talk) 01:07, 1 June 2024 (UTC)reply
It was named first and second according to sources. Why not call it the 4th or 5th if we just naming things as we like?
the first and second civil wars were continuation of the war in Sudan between north and south. That is why the
War in Darfur is not named the third Sudanese civil war because these are different civil wars and not linked.
I really wish people stop just think that you can make up your own names for any reasons when you cannot do anything in Wikipedia if doesnât adhere to
golden rulesFuzzyMagma (
talk) 08:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)reply
That's because the
War in Darfur isn't really a civil war, but a rebellion against the then-
PresidentOmar al-Bashir. Also, renaming the page to Third Sudanese Civil War isn't something we want. I believe that we should do it as I already mentioned earlier. Also, we're not breaking any rules and that we have a reason, thanks.
219.77.28.65 (
talk) 10:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I think you really do not understand what
civil war means. Let me put it in a context you might understand, for example, the
American Civil War was also between the President and rebels. All of Sudanese civil wars were between the government and so called ârebelsâ (very heavy quotations)
I didn't originally plan this. However, you've got a good point. But I still think it's good if the name of the page should be moved. But like I just said, I didn't originally plan this. Let's just see if this process will be successful or not, thanks.
219.77.28.65 (
talk) 12:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose. I think almost everyone would prefer a succinct name like this but the sources are just not calling it as such, and we follow the sources.
Yeoutie (
talk) 23:17, 1 June 2024 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.