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I have added the IPA pronunciation of waka in Māori. Yes, it does rhyme with the NZ English pron. of 'rocker'. No, it does not rhyme with 'parker' . No, it is not pronounced wah-kah. The pronunciation in NZ English is very similar to the correct Māori pronunciation, except that the English pronunciation ends with a schwa instead of -a. Kahuroa 19:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Talk: Waka Ama The idea that waka ama was practiced in ancient times by Maori is patently false history mongering and I would request that such inferences be deleted. It debases Maori history with falsehoods that can do no good from the perspective of cultural integrity no matter how wishful such correspondents may be. Ofcourse some verifiable literature may still surface in the future - 'never say never' - however I suggest all sources need to be thorougly vetted and their authors also questioned before 'publishing'. Also the word 'ama' does not exist as a singular word in any Maori dictionary.(ssossoss) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ssossoss ( talk • contribs) 01:23, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I have some knowledge of this subject, having researched the early modes of Maori transport. I assure you there were no outrigger water sports as such but there were waka hoehoe and similar single hulled canoe. For transport of goods to market double hulled canoes were put together, but these could be quickly converted into single hulled canoes for the rivers. Ancient Maori did have waka which were basically 2 canoe hulls strapped together, such as the ones which greeted Tasman in Golden Bay, 1642. Any referece to 'ama' would have been done by Cook and other explorers who had first visited the mid-Pacific and would have seen true waka ama craft and perhaps used the 'waka ama' term incorrectly to describe the Maori craft. They were not 'waka ama'. It is correct that those craft were first introduced into NZ in the early 1980s and for verification ask Parekura Horomia who I interviewed - he was one of the first people to crew the boats on the East Coast. I would not recognise the terms with ama in dictionaries, a poor source, as they are not specific with the origins, so one shouldnt assume they are referring to ancient Maori craft. I am amazed that the Ngata Dictionary has an entry with waka ama all of a sudden (?) and would question who is behind that entry. It seems to be a case of manufacturing a source (if you can call that entry one)to backup a false premis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.124.103.234 ( talk) 04:28, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Again I can only reiterate what is known. Early explorers may have mistaken the Maori waka for those from the Mid-Pacific. There are no records of 'waka ama' in any text, or in any reliable whakapapa published. Peter Buck, Apirana Ngata ...the list goes on do not record or refer to waka ama. It is a fanciful notion to suggest they were used in early NZ. After the 1950s mention did creep into the general vocabulary, and there are smudged lines between what is Maori and what is of Pasifika origin. It would be more correct to say that Maori ancestors in the mid-Pacific used the craft in lagoon settings, and that there was a 700yr gap until Maori today have taken it up again, a bit of an intermission. As passionate as you may be on this subject please remember all of Cooks diary entries were rewrites from people in England. But good luck in the ongoing promotion of a mid-Pacific sport, it does not need a fabricated Maori history to serve as a means for enthusing Maori to get out for a bit of exercise, as it has been layered with tikanga Maori and is a fun activity. everyone likes a bit of a paddle and if waka ama was not recently introduced to our shoress as a sport then dragon boating would have filled that niche. The old time Maori did race waka taua, now that would be worth backing as of indigenous origin - I ask that you please do not degrade our waka histories with your fabrications. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.124.103.234 ( talk) 22:04, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
I've just taken out two references to "Museum displays" apparently intended as sources. They don't qualify as reliable sources because they are not "published" and hence not verifiable. They can change at any time and are open to individual interpretation. If the museums concerned, or someone else, had published an account in a verifiable source about the displays etc, that would be different, but personal observation constitutes original research IMHO. Kahuroa ( talk) 20:57, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Anyone can read a book ,anyone can visit a museum.A book is an interpretation, a museum display is the real McCoy.From memory the Waka tiwai has been on display somewhere in TA since it was fished out of the lake many years ago.It is a taonga that is not going to be sold!The entry above represents very strange and limited thinking in terms of what is verifiable! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.153.158.149 ( talk) 08:50, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
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Just added a reference to archaeological finds of Maori waka aka outrigger floats. This disproves the assertions above that early European explorers mistook double canoes for outrigger canoes and adds to the linguistic and observational evidence that Maori did indeed use proper outrigger canoes. Piwaiwaka ( talk) 11:08, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
It is well established the Maori originally came from the East pacific about 1280. Recently there have been some finds that narrow down the location. The evidence -a shell chisel ,pearl lure, burial traditions, linguistics and DNA points to the Society Island. Old Maori traditions often mention Raiatea or nearby Huahine island as the origin. Science is coming closer to supporting these origins. James Cook mentioned that these islands had a tradition of mid sized voyaging canoes -which he saw on shore at Raiatea. He mentions that the islanders took voyages of up to 30 days on these vessels-far more than was needed for local travel where many islands could be reached in 1-2 days. Recently a 600 year old waka was found in NW Nelson that has decoration and construction detail that are very "un Maori".The timber however is Matai from New Zealand .The caulking in the waka is dated to about 1400. Matai is a hard durable wood that could last 30 years without difficulty possibly taking the waka back to 1350ish.The turtle design is not one ever seen before on a waka. It is a common pacific motif but turtles are found in NZ waters. The construction details suggest the stern section of a catamaran roughly 50feet long. Claudia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.62.226.243 ( talk) 09:17, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
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There is a redirection for the word 'wakanui' to this page. Wakanui is not mentioned on this page. There is a Aotearoa/New Zealand electorate called Wakanui, a wiki page about this, and 2 wiki pages about elections held in the electorate. Given that this page does not mention Wakanui, that people searching for Wakanui may want to read something about the actual thing called wakanui, can somebody with more expertise than me remove the redirection please. Brunswicknic ( talk) 09:05, 25 March 2020 (UTC)