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Unfortunately, McLernon tried to "Americanize" the Golf/Rabbit by softening the suspension and using cheaper materials for the interior. This sounds too much like a point of view. The use of the word "unfortunately" makes this statement sound more like a car review than an encyclopedia. I would think you would be hardpressed to find this language in other articles. I'm not a language expert, so I will leave it to those of you out there who are excellent with wording to fix this up. Thanks! MatthewWilder 08:41, 4 February 2007 (UTC) no one mentioning mileage here? the whole reason any of the small cars were built was due the the gas crisis...where is discussion on mileage? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.175.51 ( talk) 12:04, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
exact week when Wolfsburg was named "Golfsburg" - I think it was in September 2003.
Was there a Mk.4 Cabriolet? I'm sure these cars count as Mk.4 cabrios:
According to 'Wolfgang The Talking VW' (highly reputable source!), VW reclassified the VW Cabrio as A4 based in 1998, making the 1998 - 2002 Cabrios 'Mk. 4's. This is different to what happened the Mk.1 Cabriolet, which was still termed the Mk.1/A1 platform while sold alongside the Mk.2 hatchback.
Anyone else have any opinions? [[User:Akadruid|akaDruid ( Talk)]] 15:14, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Taking into account cars that keep their concept and basic layout but not necessarily their name it's the best selling car of all time worldwide.
Surely this means
Excluding cars that keep their concept and basic layout but not their name...
There are now many cars of identical "concept and basic layout", so what distinguishes the Golf is the long use of the same name. Andy G 00:28, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
It's simply not true - the Toyota Corolla and Ford F-Series easily outsold the Golf in all its names and forms. See list of automotive superlatives. -- SFoskett 14:29, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)
I have owned Mk 1-4 Rabbits/Golfs, and I have to say virtually every change ever made to these cars is a gradual improvement. I would have to say that yes, the Golf would have to be the best selling of the cars mentioned..
Taking into account cars that keep their concept and basic layout but not necessarily their name it's the best selling car of all time worldwide
I think this is really confusing. The original statement was:
Worldwide it's the best selling car of all times, considering cars that keep their concept and basic layout and not only their name.
If you take the Corolla: more cars named Corolla were sold, but first generation Corolla has nothing to do with the current model - except the name. -- EricS 00:55, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
"The Golf IV was made in Germany, Brazil, Mexico, the Czech Republic and Belgium."
AFAIK the only cars made by VW in Czech Rep. are the Skoda brand. I never heard about any production of any Golf - maybe they buy few components. Unless someone knows better I'll remove CR from list at some time. Pavel Vozenilek 21:31, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I added a pic of the rear badge and the front grill of a mk1, should deffinatly split the article up as has been suggested by others before, then we can get far more photos and details into it all. Nick carson 16:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Only the Mark 1 was named Caribe in Mexico, fixed it. Pakokonka 03:51, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Mk 2 Golf "G60 Limited"
I'm not good at writing an article about the Mark II g60 limited but i do know about the details.
maybe your the one who like updating this article. interested? mail me kapotvers}at{gmail.com
Recently the car had a blow up g-charger (dont know the correct name for it "g-lader" in dutch) and a new one was built in instead.
this was done by the company geforce in the Netherlands. The car is expected to have 260+ Horsepower. Probably not many of these cars are still alive. but this one still is!
i can send you al the pictures and info.
File:Http://www.stylux.nl/limited/2.jpg
File:Http://www.stylux.nl/limited/3.jpg
File:Http://www.stylux.nl/limited/4.jpg
File:Http://www.stylux.nl/limited/5.jpg
File:Http://www.stylux.nl/limited/6.jpg
File:Http://www.stylux.nl/limited/7.jpg
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I think there's a mistake on line that says "These cars produced 212 bhp, making them the most powerful VW Golfs ever produced, until the introduction of the Mark 5 Golf R32 in 2005." because Mark 4 R32 already had 241hp which can be read later on at the very same page.
I don't dare to change it since I've never written anything to Wikipedia but perhaps a registered user could check that and correct if necessary.
Regarding the phrase, "exclusively released on the continent in 1989 with 160 bhp (120 kW) and ABS braking," it's not clear whether it refers to the Golf Syncro model, or to the G60 model, or to both. It would be good to re-word the sentence to make that point more clear. Hackercraft ( talk) 16:13, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
I do not like the Mk. 4 Golf. I don't like how the Mk. 4 was Volkswagen's attempt to bring Volkswagen more upscale, and have Seat and Skoda as the the cheap, low end brands. I don't like how the Mk. 4 could be equipped with luxury leather, rain sense wipers, in addition to the Mk. 4 being the heavist generation of all. I'm glad that the Mk. 5 will take the car back to where it was during the Mk.2 and the Mk.3. The Mk. 2, and the Mk.3 are the generations I like the best, I don't care about the Mk.4 at all, and the only Mk. 1 that I care about is the pickup truck. The Mk.1 Golf/Rabiit is nothing but the size of a new Mini Cooper, and today's current generation Polo. I also don't like Volkswagen's weirdo commercials, all these sales they've been having. I like Volkswagen's Fahrvergnugen commercials better, the ones where it starts out with the Fahrvergnugen driver symbol, and then the scene views into the car driving inside the Fahrvergnugen symbol, and the actor says: Slip into the 1990 Volkswagen Golf, or slip into the 1990 Volkswagen Jetta and experience Fahrvergnugen.
There are two generations of 1.9 Diesel engines (the standard and the PD) in varing power outputs which appear to have been missed off. I'll get my owners manual out and add them later on if this wasn't done for a reason. Mnd999 15:33, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
In south america (from brazil) exists now Golf 4 1/2: [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.232.12.177 ( talk) 02:17, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
In the article is said "There was also a 2.8 L
four-wheel drive Golf VR6 4Motion version available, succeeding the Mk3 VR6 which used a 2.8 L VR6 and only had
front-wheel drive." This is no true, golf III has a 190HP version of the 2.8VR6 engine with four wheel traction. —Preceding
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The Mk 5 Golf is definitely the best Golf in a number of years. Is handling and feel is much closer to that of the original model. For me the original and the current model are the best and the models in between were just too boring or by the Mk 4 too big and heavy. Even Volkswagen have realised that the original Model was the best as the cloth on the seat material in the current GTi is the same as the cloth on the original model. Although the Golf models have changed over the last 25 years, you can still tell its a Golf, unlike other models of car who keep their same name but look nothing like its predecessors. I think the Golf will always remain a Golf no matter how it changes in future generations.
The Golf IV section of the article says "The Golf IV was the heaviest, largest and slowest version to date". This sounds very close to being NPOV to me: *every* new generation of Golf has been the heaviest and largest to date, and this is probably true for virtually every other car in the world, too. (Why don't we say "The Golf V is the heaviest and largest version to date" in the Golf V section?)
It sounds like a not-so-subtle way of some writer saying he's not happy with the engine in his Golf. :-)
Can't blame him, it's great on surface streets but I say a prayer every time I take my Golf IV on the highway.
GH - a suggestion; although this page may not be the ideal place, somewhere, I suggest, it would be good to have a comparison of the various models of [here] VW Golf: length, width, height and kerb weight. I understand that the Mk V is almost twice the weight of the Mk I [17xx Kg to 9xx Kg, I believe]. How much of this is because of legally mandated safety [etc.] systems, such as air bags, crumple zones and so on? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.59.206 ( talk) 05:56, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
I already added an image of a Golf Pink Floyd a while ago. However, there were several other Golf editions that included a distinct exterior decal package, at least in Europe, that should probably be mentioned in the article. As far as I know, these were:
Here are some pictures of these. I haven't added these to the article (yet):
ProhibitOnions 11:06, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
What about the 1996 Golf Harlequin??
http://www.rossvw.com/
I don't think we should be adding information on the Golf 6 as it still hasn't officially been announced. vw12 04:20, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Isn't there an article for that? -- Bhtooefr 19:18, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Seriously I don't think this section on the Jetta belongs in the Golf article at all. At best it deserves a single line with a link to the Jetta article, since the Jetta is a totally different car, even if they are related/share some components. -- Cbwallace 20:21, 13 September 2006
While I don't disagree that the Jetta deserves its own article, but it is not a totally different car. There are minor differences in styling of the front end, but the only real difference is the addition of a trunk. Wheelbase, engines, drivetrains, etc. are all the same.
I removed the statement "The success of the Golf spawned the whole Golf Class segment".
This is untrue. The Ford Escort, as did the Opel Kadett, Austin 1100, Citroen GS and the Renault 14 was nearing completion of development.
A more appropriate statement would be "The success of the Golf popularised the hatchback format in the C-segment".
This was a separate article which I merged into this article as a section, per the consensus at AfD. I didn't edit the section at all, and it's not the greatest section, reads sort of like a puff piece. Herostratus 01:03, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree, Links to sites like myfastgti.com,clubgti,golfmkv.com and more are relevant. The sites:
Used Car Safety Ratings - Volkswagen Golf ------- GOES TO A PAGE NOT FOUND
Volkswagen Golf V Specifications and Road Test ----COMMERCIAL. SITE VW Golf Information Site ----COMMERCIAL. SITE VW New Rabbit Information Site ----COMMERCIAL. SITE
I've readded several other gti and rabbit sites because they have good quality information.
Our site, uk-mkivs.net was listed also but was removed - We are an independent MKIV Golf resource. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tabsy ( talk • contribs) 08:25, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I was wondering if anyone has seen the ad for the "Rabbit" in Canada (and it could be the same elsewhere). There is a song playing in the ad, and it is very catchy, but I have no idea what it is or where I could find it. Does anyone know?-- 156.34.211.59 16:59, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Its called "The birds and the Bees", its by a duo called Patrick and Eugene.
Rouge
06:37, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
This article is far too long, it needs to be shortened. How about splitting it into generations? Something like Volkswagen Golf (Mk I), Volkswagen Golf (Mk II), Volkswagen Golf (Mk III)... The Golf GTI could get an own page, since a quite part of the article is dedicated to it. We should also change many, many links to the correspondant article, something which will take a long, long time. Any other suggestions? -- NaBUru38 02:35, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
This isnt a link to cheap viagra * How to build a 16V G60 Golf Legend Its a site with additional relevant information on a car/engine that info on is quite sparse. Mastershake phd 06:06, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I know someone rewrote the article page to say the Mark 4 Golf ended producion in 2003, but as the article itself says, it's still made and/or sold in at least four countries, even though European production ended in 2003 and 2006 was the last year for the Golf 4 in the United States.
The main text said:
Really?. And what about the Renault 4, Renault 5, Renault 16 and Fiat 127?. Randroide 13:44, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
This article does not necessarily meet a worldwide view. Problems:
What does everyone think?? -- SunStar Net 11:16, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, how about someone from Europe adding some info? Are your fingers broken?
Can somebody possibly French or from France name that recentish French rap video which features a Golf R32 with a lot of footage of rioting and motorcycle stunts Willirennen 00.08 December 1 2006
a number of words are uncapitalized and it needs a general cleanup... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.87.85.99 ( talk) 07:51, 31 December 2006 (UTC).
how many GTI were made with electronic display? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.42.128.28 ( talk) 10:39, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Why does GTI redirect here? There's a GTI Peugeot (205) car too. What does GTI stand for anyway? Damn useless acronyms. Totsugeki 09:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Maybe someone can add some information on the upcoming Golf/Rabbit R36... it comes with the 3.6 liter engine from the passat!
I just spotted this reversion [2] which takes it back six months [3], which had no edit summary, and undid over 400 edits. I suspect that this may have been the result of accidentally editing from an old article in the history, so to be safe, I have undone it. Notinasnaid 14:42, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
For the Golf V's
My understanding is that the 5 doors (including GTI variants) are built in South Africa. 3 door variants are built in Wolfsburg Germany.
This is a new performance oriented model from VW with a 1.4TSI engine, 17" alloys, and a sport suspension. Perhaps someone can update it? I'm still new to Wikipedia so don't know how to add a section.
i saw a picture of a new golf thats called W12 its the same Golf GTI but has a W21 engien 650 hp....thats all i know maybe some one can bring more information about it.
Can someone please help?
This paragraph is not clear. It appears in the section listed above but is unclear as to which version it refers.
"The latest model remained faithful to the Golf concept but included some of the new "arched" styling themes first seen on the Mark 4 Passat. The overall effect is far more pleasing than the previous model."
So, is the Mark 4 the latest model and is the Mark 3 the previous model?
Thanks - Alan
I once saw a picture of a US Mark I model with rectangular (probably sealed) headlights and a huge, ugly, protruding front bumper made from black plastics. I guessed at the time that this was according to some trade regulations, to make access to the US market more difficult for Volkswagen, but of course I could be wrong. Unfortunately, this design is not reflected in the article. Does anyone know about this? -- 790 13:53, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I personally believe that the GTI deserves it's own page.
The GTI is NOT the same as the Golf. In fact, in the Americas, it's not sold as a Golf GTI. it's sold as a GTI. The GTI actually even has it's own fanbase.
The GTI is a seperate car from the Golf, and therefore deserves it's OWN Wikipedia page.
Guticb 05:28, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
So the fact that I can get a 6 speed automatic with a Pontiac G6 on the GXP model instead of a 4 speed on the base trim means it's a totally different car then too, right? Launch control, while an interesting feature, does not make the car totally unique as you claim. That's like saying since one car has power windows and another doesn't, they must be totally different.
Keep in mind that having a separate page for the GTI is also being US-centric. In Europe, the car has never been sold as a separate model. WikiProject Autos generally encourages formatting/naming/etc. in the style as found in the cars "home country" which of course would be Germany. Check out the VW website and roll your mouse over the Ausstattungsvarianten button. There you'll see the available trim lines, which even includes the R32 and Edition 30. Thus, it would be imprudent to make a new GTI page.-- Analogue Kid 17:28, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Taiwan Just to name a few...-- Analogue Kid 16:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
There's this confusing line in ¶3 of the History section:
The Audi technology in the Golf would regain for Volkswagen the engineering lead over rear drive cars that Ferdinand Porsche had bestowed on the original Beetle over its large conventional peers.
Can anybody please rewrite it in a less ambiguous form? I am not a Beetle owner or avid fan, and so I have no idea what this line is trying to say.
Also follows is a very abrupt statement:
The small Golf had to succeed in replacing the high volume Volkswagen sedan.
Perhaps we could try writing this into the rewritten sentence as aforementioned? Ariedartin JECJY Talk 07:25, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
I have no idea why why user Jonas bognar felt the need to delete an entire topic, class it as a minor edit and provide no explanation as to why opposed the topic. Hence I've reinstated the topic.
From looking at his history, his past times include trolling articles and promoting the website "MyRide.com". Sevengoods 19:14, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
I was under the impression that the new 2008 models of City Golf and City Jetta were based on the Mk5 model, but after seeing this review, I noticed that these were Mk4-Mk5 ugly hybrids. See for yourself [4]. We need more information IMO... Laurent 20:03, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
I notice there are no diesel engines listed for the mk4 Golf. I don't have the full details of available engines but I am aware that the following were available:
1.9 SDi in the following states of tune: 64bhp, 68bhp
1.9 non-Pump Duse TDI: 90bhp, 110bhp, 115bhp
1.9 Pump Duse TDI: 110bhp, 130bhp, 150bhp (the latter equipped with Front Mounted Intercooler)
Does anyone have any more? And does anyone better informed than me want to update the side-box?
As has been suggested before (to great acclaim, as it seems), this article should be split into separate entries for Golf 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.
In its present state, it is far too long and somewhat unmanageable, I think; also, shorter sections on the different generations might help make the separate sections more world-oriented and allow further additions without cluttering the article even more.
I´d propose to leave a short survey entry on all Golfs containing links to the different generations (like on de:wp). If only I knew how to technically do it.
-- 328cia ( talk) 22:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
OK, I split the article into five separate entries. What is now needed are, I guess, a few sentences on the single generations; I´ve prepared the sections by inserting a picture in each and will possibly add a survey of generations 1 through 5 in the near future. If anyone else is willing to do this, please feel free to go ahead. -- 328cia ( talk) 11:36, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I´ve given a source for 3-door vs. 5-door production for 1974 to 1987 that proves that the 3-door was the more popular body style then. Nowadays however, the 5-door is by far more popular, at least here in Germany; according to my local VW dealer, with the introduction of the Golf III 5-door models began to surpass the 3-doors, saleswise; currently he estimates the percentage of 3-doors to run around 7 to 8 % of all Golf sales. In the absence of written sources, though, it will be hard to determine which body style has been more successful over the whole time span of Golf production.
www.Mobile.de (a used car sale internet platform) lists the following number of cars:
Golf 1974-1992: 2,668 3d, 973 5d
Golf 1993-2008: 11,783 3d, 37,393 5d (excluding Variants)
Golf 2007/2008 only: 2,800 3d, 20,100 5d (excl. Variants)
-- 328cia ( talk) 12:16, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to write ==Golf Mk1 (A1 17) (1974-present)== in the section heading (and the equivalent for the other generations)? It is a very "technical" heading; its ok if you are already familiar with the different codes, but if you are familiar you wont need to read them, and if you are not familiar it is a bit overwhelming. I would think it would be better to write ==Golf Mk1== and put the production years, manufacturer codes, etc in the paragraph below. That would also mean the section headings would more closely mirror the daughter articles which are linked to; the cars arent at Volkswagen Golf Mk1 (A1 17) (1974-present) after all. Just a thought. Songs of ts steiner ( talk) 22:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
maybe for you exaggerated americans with your Dodges! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.56.42.238 ( talk) 10:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
[5] says that the all-electric range of the Golf TwinDrive will be 50 kilometers. Are there any other sources? GetLinkPrimitiveParams ( talk) 00:05, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Where is Mk1 Golf in this article?
-- 12345e ( talk) 12:55, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be a separate article on a distinctly separate model? NVO ( talk) 10:59, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
"The VR6-engined version accelerated from 0–60 mph (0–97 km/h) in 7.1 seconds, posting a record 10.5 1/4-mile time at 90.5 mph." I question the veracity of this information - a 10.5s quarter mile from a car doing 0-60 in 7.1 seconds is very, very unlikely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.221.132 ( talk) 06:38, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Why is it a Mk 5 and not the current, most recent Mk 6? Will make newcomers think the current Golf is more dated than it actually is. Feudonym ( talk) 22:43, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Only the Mk4 has fuel economy data? Very odd, since it's a major selling point in USA (esp. for the TDI) -- 198.144.209.83 ( talk) 02:15, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
Several sections of this article are wildly outdated, stemming from 2008 - especially the Golf IV section. Also, why do the production dates in the section titles correspond to US sales? The Golf IV was sold until 2003 in Europe (its home market), 2006 in the US, 2010 in Canada, 2008 in China, and is presumably still available in some Latin American countries. To me the title should read either 1997-2003 or 1997-current. 1997-2006 only makes sense to US readers. ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃ ( talk) 08:12, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
I removed the sentence "All variants proved instantly popular with the only notable technical flaw being the poor braking in RHD models, due to the master cylinder for the brakes being placed on the left for LHD cars, as Volkswagen never intended the Golf to be sold abroad." Various reasons:
Hi all! A recent edit of mine in the "etimology" section was reverted even though it was properly sourced to VW document and the reference was dismissed as not serious. Could somebody else please look at it, as the source advocating alternate name explanation is an editorial opinion of the MSN. Furthermore, choice of name "Caddy" for a utility version of Golf is quite indicative, not to mention that no VW model since Golf introduction in 1974 was named after a wind for quite a while (Jetta).-- Tomobe03 ( talk) 16:09, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
If you want to cite an alternative view, you need to find an independent, authoritative sources that says explicitly, "The car was named after the game of golf, not the gulf stream." Otherwise you're inserting your own original research. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 16:41, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
Most WP automobile articles include dimensions, but this article is noticeably deficient on numbers. Does anyone have access to dimensions, esp length and width? Santamoly ( talk) 05:35, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, i was wondering if a more expansive section, with a picture, was needed for the MK7. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.210.131.50 ( talk) 13:23, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
This article seems to use headings based on production years as opposed to model years which is inconsistent with other car pages on wikipedia. What are everyone's thoughts on changing this? 108.172.114.141 ( talk) 20:02, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
The (current) production version of the e-Golf is basically a Mk7 with an electric motor instead of the internal combustion engine and a battery fitted where the gas tank and exhaust system would go. Same body, (mostly) same standard and optional equipment, etc. Perhaps that section should be moved to the Volkswagen Golf Mk7 article until the e-Golf becomes sufficiently notable to rate its own? DES ( talk) 22:46, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
The 4th generation Golf is described as being "rated at 384 kW (515 bhp)"! Seems like a bit over the top for an econobox, wouldn't you think? Are there any Golf experts who can confirm this prodigious output? Santamoly ( talk) 08:33, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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As I heard from Motorpasion Mexico, the upcoming eighth generation will not enter the North American (USA and Canada) nor Mexican markets, only in Europe, but R-Line and GTI versions for North America and Mexico will. Also, the factory where the Golf is produced in Mexico will be occupied by the also-upcoming Tarek. Reference here. 201.145.7.116 ( talk) 22:03, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
The Volkswagen emissions scandal was not just the Golf but it affected the Jetta the Passat the Touareg and many other models why is the a whole section when other articles do not mention it or only briefly mention it besides the separate article on the scandal — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.222.180.90 ( talk) 15:13, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
It seems strange that no one has noted how the Mk6 has similar creases in the C-columns and sides, very similar to the setup on the Mk3. The headlights also seem to be like a modern rendition of a Mk3 sketch. Was the Mk6 supposed to be styled as an Mk3 tribute? By comparison, the Mk 1, 2, 4, 5 and 7 are more slab-sided. 78.90.63.158 ( talk) 08:58, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
I've restored the "distinguish" hatnote for the Volkswagen Gol which was removed without explanation here by Lucky9Two ( talk · contribs).
There's no obvious reason for this; it's a very similarly named car, pretty much what the template was intended for.
Perhaps they'd like to explain their reasoning? Thanks. Ubcule ( talk) 00:24, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
The Golf GTI it's a icon of the automotive, it is the first hot hatchback car and was produced from 50 years. I propose, like BMW M3, Civic Type R or Renault Mégane RS to division and separate the article to create new all in one for the GTI. 5.91.55.48 ( talk) 17:53, 5 June 2023 (UTC)