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In the Xbox 360 section it calls BioShock an “upcoming exclusive” however it has now been released, and is also available or the PC. Someone should fix this. 71.224.213.145 15:30, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Seeing as there is a "Top-Selling Games" row, I think it would make sense to add an "Anticipated Games" row. Thoughts? Laptopdude 20:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I am still looking for any input of other users before I make this addition to the comparison table. I am positive that Halo 3 and Super Smash Bros. Brawl are perfect candidates for the Xbox360 and Wii, respectively, but I am not very knowledgeable about the PS3. Any suggestions/comments about the most anticipated game for the PS3 would be much appreciated. Also, any thoughts/feelings about the "Anticipated Games" row in general would be appreciated as well. Laptopdude 00:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Isn't it obvious(no offense)? God of War III for the PS3.-- Kondrayus 21:40, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
If no-one has any objections, I shall add the row "Anticipated Games" tomorrow. It will have the criteria: (1) Native to that console (2) Part of a classic/best-selling series. It will be between "Top-selling games" and "Release date". The games will be: Wii (Super Smash Bros. Brawl), Xbox360 (Halo 3), and PS3 (Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots). Laptopdude 20:50, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't really see this as all that necessary. In any case, I'd wait until Brawl has an actual release date. Tehw1k1 03:15, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
If no-one has any objections, I shall add the row "Anticipated games" tomorrow. It will have the same criteria listed before, and the same games. Wii (Super Smash Bros. Brawl), Xbox360 (Halo 3), and PS3 (Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots). Laptopdude 21:29, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
This row was deleted, the reason stated: "listcruft". What does everyone think? Should it be re-added, or stay excluded? I think that it makes as much sense having "Highly anticipated games" as it does "Top-selling games". Highly anticipated games are both likely to become top-selling, and subjects of notable importance to many people. Laptopdude 00:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Does this make sense? According to the GP2X page its only sold a few thousand and is only available in Korea. Is it really legit to compare it to the DS and PSP? Tehw1k1 03:17, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
the Units sold sold number is old also it seam that you did not read all the article when you say it is gp2x only available in Korea from the article during discussions in Seoul with the UK distributor it was decided to simply reverse the last two characters of the original name to give the final GP2X.--
Andri12
19:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
like i sade the sales number is old and also it was just from uk and germane distributor GamePark Holdings have not announced any sales figure and also IGN and gamespot do have something about gp2x also this is seventh generation article so all game console need to bee in this article -- Andri12 19:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
The comparison to the Wii strategy is poor. You're missing a salient point-there is no dedicated software support from any major first or third party software makers for the GP2X like there is for the Wii, the PS3, the DS and the PSP. I dont have a huge problem with it staying, I just want a good discussion of whether or not it should be included. Perhaps it belongs in "other". Its also completely absurd that the paragraph covering the GP2X is larger than the one covering both the DS and PSP. Tehw1k1 14:51, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Removed; the existence in the comparison chart and the oversized paragraph have for this minor console have no place in an article about the major, most recognisable contenders in the seventh generation. The sales figures also vary vastly, as mentioned above. Haipa Doragon 18:44, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I am aware of several online sources that give rough estimates as to the number of consoles sold. Although they update whenever a new sales figure is officially released, they keep an ongoing counter that adds the approximate number of consoles bout every so many seconds. I am wondering if sites such as nexgenwars.com and vgchartz.com are truly reliable and can be used in Wikipedia, especially since their numbers vary largely from each other. Laptopdude 20:14, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
My question was prompted by an edit citing nexgenwars as a source for the Xbox360. However, I see that someone has already reverted to the previous number (10.4 mil), so everything is good. Laptopdude 23:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
PS3 sales have jumped from 5 to 13 million, I assume this is untrue. 16:32 29/07/2007, GMT
On the Playstation 3's page and on here http://www.pro-g.co.uk/news/26-07-2007-6094.html it says the sales are 4.28 million as of June 30th, 2007. Please change the figure. Thankyou. Nello85 21:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC) 21:34, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
The 'Lost in blue' franchise is the same as the 'Survival kids' franchise that already existed on GameBoy. Maybe it should be moved to Revived franchise. 81.244.229.205 13:18, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I saw in the home systems comparison chart that someone has added that up to 8 wiimotes can be connected. I have heard nothing of this, and completely doubt it. I will replace it with 4 unless someone can give me a concrete citation.
On Nintendo's website itself ( [1]) it says that "...Four Wii Remotes can communicate with Wii...". I do not think that there is any question, but if someone has something let me know. Laptopdude 23:03, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
If no-one can prove that 8 wiimotes can connect to Wii, I will correct the mistake tomorrow. Laptopdude 21:47, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I'd say it's about time to archive the talk. I would suggest going to the end of May. That would mean all topics from "wheres the bits??" to (including) PS3 memory. What do you think? Laptopdude 00:38, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
It has been archived. Laptopdude 21:20, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't think that slightly updated games that have been released in the XBOX live arcade or the Wii/PS3 equivalent should be included under franchises that have been revived. That section should be reserved for actual new games that are sequels or prequels to old games.-- K1000 17:04, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I respectfully disagree. I don't think the method of delivery, whether its a download or a retail game should have any bearing. It seems like you are using the criteria of recent games to determine what constitutes a "true sequel". However, in the arcade days, sequels amounted to little more than adding some extra modes and features. Ms. Pac-Man could be categorized as just a slight update of Pac-Man. The original Jetpac was a shallow game by today's standards, but using the old school game design metric, JPRF is indeed a sequel. In any event, it shouldn't be about value judgments, but the significance of Rare bringing that IP back for modern audiences. Tehw1k1 17:40, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Ok then they should be included, all of them. I do not really use XBOX arcade or anything of that sort so I can't update it, but that list of revived games should be updated to include more games of that sort then. (I know there are more than just Jetpac). -- K1000 19:51, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I think we should fit it in somewhere that they slashed the price for the 60GB by $100 USD Source: CNN Article—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 99.246.83.240 ( talk • contribs).
Well, I looked at one of the cites for the Wii's units sold and found that the website also gives a list of top-selling games, three for each console. Check out [4] (scroll down a bit). What do you think? Laptopdude 22:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Inside the table that compares the three consoles, the PS3's section says, "All of the services on the Playstation Network are free" under each of the three SKUs. I'm going to be bold and remove those three sentences because they really aren't included accessories, probably just some fanboy's addition. Besides, the Wii's network is also free, but that isn't mentioned. If you guys don't agree, feel free to put it back. Useight 03:04, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Again, in the table comparing the three consoles, in the PS3's box about included accessories, it lists an Ethernet Cable and a Cat 5 Cable. If I'm not mistaken, these are both the same thing, and I doubt there are two of them in the box. Shouldn't one of these be removed from the list? Useight 03:07, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Cat5 is a type of ethernet cable; therefore unless the PS3 comes with 2 cables, one of the references should be deleted. anonomous —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.91.171.42 ( talk) 19:05, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
It would be nice of the "generations" documented gave specific criteria of what makes each generation distinct from the prior or succeeding generations, outside of release date. -- 76.203.126.95 23:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I removed Pokémon from the "Franchises revived during the seventh generation". The first Pokémon game released for a seventh generation console was Pokémon Dash for the Nintendo DS, released in December of 2004, only a month after the seventh generation supposedly began. Pokémon Emerald for the Game Boy Advance (a sixth generation console) had been released that past September. I do not believe that one could describe a game being released only two or three months after another game of the same franchise (but belonging to the previous generation) could count as "revival" of the franchise. (We might as well put the Halo series under the Xbox 360 section by that logic.) As well, the link in the article only led to the main Pokémon article ( Pokémon), rather than the more relevant Pokémon (video games). Ultraflame 18:58, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I have noticed, GP's, that the Wii has completely forgone the usual requirements for being a next-gen system. It is right now confirmed that the Wii is a Gamecube with an overclocked processor and a new look. Quite comparable to console redesigns like the PS2 Slim, but I don't see that in this article. Therefore, I propose that we move the Wii into the sixth generation article as a subsection for the Gamecube. Thanks to Nontendo, we can no longer classify consoles by the time that they're released. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.188.50.113 ( talk • contribs).
Is this frankly very non-notable console really needed in the Comparison section and chart? It really just seems like a waste of space to me, and deserves no more than just a line or two at the end of the section's paragraph. Haipa Doragon 15:26, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
-- Mysterious Spy 06:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
How come for the PS3 and Wii the numebrs put are for numbers sold, and yet for 360 it is for how many are shipped? This seems unfair in my eyes. I think it should be one or the other...or both. What do you think? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.43.44.158 ( talk • contribs).
Expected shipments for Wii are estimated around 72 million. [5]. Preety good! PS3's shipments are expected to reach 10-11 million to March 2008 [6]. Preety bad. Dont want to conclude somewhere but Nitendo will probably be 7th generations winner. Wii will end up with 70-80 million shipments and 65-75 million units sold. PS3 will end up with 15-20 million shipments and 10-15 million units sold. Reminding: im just presuming right now. Dont you think that this scenario is preety potential?!\
-- Mysterious Spy 06:51, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
http://www.psu.com/Playstation-3-hits-6-Million-Sales-WorldWide-News--a791-p0.php
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/808/808656p2.html
http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/07/28/playstation-3-jumps-up-to-6-million-worldwide-sales/
and People discussing it:
http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=88330
Hopefully we will find out if these numbers are true or not soon enough Jon God 00:29, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Somehow I doubt it, it's quite a difference from how they were doing earlier in the year. I think they're faked, to some extent. Haipa Doragon 12:25, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Alright, until we see any proof on either side leave the main page the way it is. Jon God 08:57, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
100 million % wrong, as of August 15 2007 - Animal91X 09:33, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Some IP addresses keep changing the launch price to $449.99. Just FYI, regardless of current prices and sales, the launch price should remain unchanged at $499.99. Useight 22:56, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Nokia has announced to relaunch the N-Gage. But this time, as a platform, which will run on various of Nokia's Symbian handsets, although, which handsets will be able to play the games are still in dark. But N95, N93 etc. handsets are likely to be included. Several first and third party titles have been announced (including ONE and System Rush Evolution, Asphalt 3, etc.). The platform is to be launched in fall 2007, as Nokia's futurewatch website reveals. Like the previous N-Gage, online features will be available. Shouldn't we add this to the handheld section?
I actually meant adding a proper note in that paragraph only. It's not yet released, why should you put it in the comparison table? If you judge the sales of Gizmondo, and its mention in the hanheld section, N-Gage deserves a mention (if I am not wrong, the previous Gen sold about 3 million). And the news is not at all unsourced, the Symbian world is well aware of that. In fact Nokia maintains a regular blog at http://blog.n-gage.com. 59.162.182.2 06:16, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
what happened to not using vgchartz or nextgenwars? someone just replaced some sales statistics and changed the sources to vgchartz. Should we change this back?-- Kyle( talk) 23:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Why are they used? they need to be removed ASAP! They are widely mocked as inaccurate and can't even use NPD numbers for america anymore.. Most are just guesses. They need to be removed and a more reliable and respect source used. There was nothing wrong with the old sources.
Information floating around the Internet is flooded with rumors and speculation about the eventual eighth generation. For ideas, would it be worth while to set up a place to get the real information, and forcasts about the future systems and games. This can be the bridge for the times they are released. Gopherwood 13:19, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Is it possible to hook an Xbox 360 to a regular TV, because I've heard people say you need an AV cord or something like that.-- Kondrayus 16:48, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Microsoft has recently stated that instead of 500 MHz, the Xbox 360 will now have 526 MHz. I think someone should add this to the article, and if not I will.-- Kondrayus 23:27, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
When I look at the references I see some sites I've never heard of, and I want to ask which sites are considered accepted. To me, it starts with any of Sony/MS/Nintendo's press releases or financial statements, Gamespot and IGN. Others are up for debate. Tehw1k1 04:29, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Exukvera, you are putting in a link to a wikipedia page as a reference: "cite web |url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ps3". References are supposed to be from sources outside of Wikipedia, not Wikipedia itself. (Not to mention that "article" is spelled "artical" in your most recent edit.) All the numbers I fixed in the article are THE ACTUAL NUMBERS WRITTEN IN PLAIN ENGLISH ON THE CITED SOURCES. WHY ARE YOU REPLACING THEM WITH OTHER NUMBERS? I invite anyone interested to look them up. If you are going to replace the numbers, find a good source for them. And Animal91X, please do not accuse me of fanboyism after I've edited the article so that the numbers reflect what's ACTUALLY WRITTEN IN THE CITED SOURCES. The reference that you edited back in " http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_US_PS3_Sales_Surpass_Xbox_360_Sales_But_Nintendo_Wins_07211.html" cites Vgchartz as its source, and VGChartz is not accepted, so why should a news article that cites its info be allowed?
Also, I sincerely believe that the way I've formatted it with the dates on the bottom is easier to read, but feel free to disagree. There are some other beneficial things about your edits that I need to take a closer look at, specifically cleaning up the outdated refs and so forth. Tehw1k1 19:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
http://aussie-nintendo.com/?v=news&p=16365
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=130468
http://kotaku.com/gaming/retailed/wii-passes-xbox-360-in-worldwide-sales-292442.php
http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=7437
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/10810.cfm
http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=20020
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20070822235444.html
http://news.punchjump.com/article.php?id=4717
http://www.dailytech.com/Report+Wii+Overtakes+Xbox+360+in+Worldwide+Sales/article8573.htm
http://www.digitalartsonline.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=8561
http://www.nintendojo.com/infocus/view_item.php?1187841008
http://gonintendo.com/?p=23493
http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/678699/Wii_Overtakes_360_In_Total_Sales.html
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136319-c,gameconsoles/article.html
I noticed that a few of the above sources have been cited in our article (Kotaku and PC World, particularly). Since we do not trust sources that cite VGChartz, should we take them out as soon as possible? Ultraflame 18:39, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
The worldwide sales figures for the Xbox 360 have been "N/A" for a while now, but I think it should actually say "unknown" or "undetermined" because "N/A" seems to imply that Microsoft is shipping consoles but not selling them. Not that they are trying to sell them, but have sold zero, but "N/A" just seems like the 360s aren't being made to be sold, just to be shipped. I tried to word that as clearly as possible, but I don't know if that makes sense to the other editors out there. My point is, I think we should change "N/A" to "Undetermined". Any thoughts on the matter? Useight 23:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
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