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Her father was Jewish by birth, but her mother was a convert. Do we know who converted her? Depending on who did, the Jewish status of Victoria and her 2 kids might not be recognised by all synagogues.
PatGallacher (
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18:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)reply
I couldn't find anything on but I don't think it matters. If Starmer was brought up in a Jewish household and sees herself as Jewish and coverage of her overwhelming describe her as Jewish then its safe to say she is. Judaism is fairly open about who is Jewish as well, from what I've learned.
Omnis Scientia (
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19:49, 3 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Judaism is 100% not open about who is Jewish. Only very liberal movements will recognize patrilineal descent, intermarriage is generally discouraged, and no movement will accept conversions of a movement deemed less strict. That said, most communities will make a fuss about someone who's mother converted calling themselves Jewish, even if they wouldn't accept that conversion.
TimeEngineer (
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08:24, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
@
TimeEngineer, hence why I said "fairly". Converts are definitely seen as outsiders by a lot of religious Jews, depending on the denomination but I don't think anyone will challenge the status of such a public figure because it will almost certainly create a huge backlash.
Perhaps the reason for the "Lady" in her name is obvious to British readers, but it isn't to others in Wikipedia's global readership. Could it be explained in a footnote or in some other way?
Moncrief (
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04:03, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Lady Starmer should not have "The Right Honourable" above her name. @
MAL_MALDIVE added it by comparison to The Right Honourable The Lady Wilson of Rievaulx who was the wife of a baron, not the wife of a knight. The wife of a knight is not entitled to "The Right Honourable" unless they are a privy counsellor, which Lady Starmer is not.
HMQSasha (
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12:55, 5 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Why are the names of her children omitted? (Redacted) The information is publicly available via an easily citeable source - the General Register Office Birth Index.
146.200.29.183 (
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16:19, 5 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Was just going to say something along these lines re the Starmers making effort not to mention their children's names in public. Per
WP:BLPPRIVACY I don't think we should include the children's names.
GnocchiFan (
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19:52, 5 July 2024 (UTC)reply
You're 100% right. My only worry was that a regular user removing talk discussions might also be against policy. But oversight has handled it and the info is redacted now.
Omnis Scientia (
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12:26, 11 July 2024 (UTC)reply
@
SferaEbbasta87, last week's Guardian said that the (very few) articles saying she's 60 are off by a decade. See
here for the Guardian article and also the first reference where it says that she elected Unveristy Student union president in 1995 at the age of 21.
Omnis Scientia (
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22:30, 7 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Well, perhaps we shouldn't use public records as sources, but can't we make use of them informally to determine which of the published dates are plausible? If Companies House gives a date of birth in 1973, but some sources are giving her age as 60, I'd be inclined to disregard those sources.
Jean-de-Nivelle (
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14:44, 17 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Starmer being aged 60 has been debunked in more recent articles, including the Guardian one in my initial reply so we can safely rule that out. I can't be 100% certain even then whether 1973 is correct or not. My stance is that the exact date of birth should replace the approximate one.
@
MSincccc, there's a book on Keir Starmer by Tom Baldwin but not on Victoria though I'm sure she is mentioned in it.
And yes, the Guardian did debunk the polticics.co.uk age which, as you will have noticed, didn't get her title right either. So definitely not reliable.
Omnis Scientia (
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17:11, 17 July 2024 (UTC)reply
If you're curious, you'll find a full date of birth in the filing history of
UNIONFINCH Ltd. for August 1995. I presume there's no reason a jounalist or biographer couldn't have found the same information, but as "Omnis Scientia" rightly says, we should wait until they do before adding it to the article.
Jean-de-Nivelle (
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18:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Jean-de-Nivelle, likely and understandably because books aimed at writing about her husband will write about her in relation to him rather than focus on her. They will give the basic biography of her but not all of it. She is also quite private.
Also journalists are seldom interested in wives of politicians, unfortunately. They don't make the news unless they do something big or outrageous.
Omnis Scientia (
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18:17, 17 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Lead wording/order?
Current lead: British former solicitor and the wife of Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and leader of the Labour Party. As of July 2024, she works for the National Health Service (NHS) as an occupational health worker.
Question: Why is the first item "former solicitor" instead of her current role of "occupational health worker"? Should her current role be mentioned first?
TJMSmith (
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00:05, 8 July 2024 (UTC)reply
I've updated it. Since her notability comes via her husband being the British PM, I put that first and wrote a seperate line for her career as a solicitor and NHS worker.
Omnis Scientia (
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11:10, 9 July 2024 (UTC)reply