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The end of the first paragraph referred to the Vespa as having a "endearing and enduring shape." I removed that phrase but there are many others like it throughout the article. Though I personally am fond of Vespa scooters, I didn't feel this was appropriate language in the context of Wikipedia article standards. Not to offend anyone, but at times this article reads more like an advertisement than an encyclopedia entry.
The name Vespa, also referes to the sound of the wasp, and the old 2-stroke engines. Comment: This may be true for many users, but there are no sources indicating the engine sound as a reason for the original choice of name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.241.198.254 ( talk) 20:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC) I don't know how accurate it is, as for what I know the popular version here in Italy about the Vespa naming is both that it resembles a wasp in shape (with a bit of imagination) and in the buzzing sound of the engine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Giorgio.tani ( talk • contribs) 17:10, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
didn't vespa make a 3 wheel pickup?
The article says, "...but a blower was soon attached to the transmission to push air over the cylinder's cooling fins (the modern Vespa engine is still cooled this way)..."
Actually, cooling is accomplished via a finned flywheel which is attached to one side of the crankshaft. (This comment is not mine, but instead moved from the main text of the article.)-- Seanh 02:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
As would be suspected, the number of external links is again picking up. I suppose we shouldn't be surprised - when I sectioned the external links section, I purposefully made it fairly easy to add your favourite website to the list. However, as always some unregistered editors have added their sites in the wrong place. If we apply wiki rules to the letter, then only non-commercial websites which add information can be linked to - so goodbye all the BBS and other great information on commercial websites. I also think from other articles, that removing all such sites is both impossible and not practical - people who run these sites are often the best source of creating/improving articles. What does anyone else think? Should we limit it to say five BBS fourms, or should we vote on which ones to keep - both things which have occured on other articles. Rgds, - Trident13 10:59, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
There seems to be no rhyme or reason behind what sites are deleted and what sites stay. There are some sites still listed that have no value other than "I ride a Vespa and this is my daily blog" and some that have a good deal of useful information are deleted. -- Rally180 01:24, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
The article is getting a bit long, so before it gets a "too long" tag, I was thinking of stubbing a few sections. Firstly, the Riders section - a good list which is a bit too long. Secondly, most motorcycle articles move the models section list to a stub. Thoughts? Rgds, - Trident13 11:02, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I was doing the monthly culling of the external links, and noticed that this website has referenced us here at Wiki as having the best list of real/fictional riders! I therefore assume that the anon editor 71.255.194.222 who added them as the "official" Vespa blog, and their sole edit on Wiki - was pulling our leg on that occasion. Keep up the good work all - no wonder why we are being hit by loads of anon's to get on the external links list. Rgds, - Trident13 04:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Please, why no link to "
spaceball
spaceballs"?
Thank You.
[[ hopiakuta | [[ [[%c2%a1]] [[%c2%bf]] [[ %7e%7e%7e%7e ]] -]]
16:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Maybe someone would invent software that would simplify it all.
"* Spaceballs - the character Princess Vespa of Druidia is blatantly based on the Vespa in the Mel Brooks movie"
Thank You,
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Sorry if I mess this up but I'm fairly new to the art of Wikipedia. I have a non-commercial site that I think would be of great interest all all Vespa owners. So I'm hoping I've followed the procedures correctly and that everyone gets a chance to view and approve it. Please let me know if you have any questions. Best regards, Warren Quietleader 21:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello, i listed the link to one of the largest vespa communities Community and even though there is a commercial site behind the community is very well visited and a great source for everyone into Vespa. Beside the community there are user blogs and galleries and I see no reason why the link was deleted. I added the link again and would be happy if you keep it. Thanks. Sipsepp 07_01_07
What about junk Vespas? It seems worth mentioning that some less-than-roadworthy vespas are making an appearance on city streets due to the renewed popularity in vintage bikes. I'm guessing that some nonzero number of folks interested in a vintage scooter would come across the Wikipedia page at some point, and it has (unfortunately) become a significant issue in vintage scootering. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.246.144.133 ( talk) 05:48, 6 February 2007 (UTC).
This article is about Vespa's as a whole and not set up as a buyers guide. It will lead to opinion and not 100% fact. -- Rally180 06:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
As an employee of genuine scooter company/ Scooterworks, i can authoritatively say that the Stella/Star cross translation is a bacronym invented by outside sources after the fact, and is unverifyable. Rob Hodge 24.12.75.116 03:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
The original statement was misleading. The change from correlation to translation made is a fact worthy of note that you may have missed. Star in italian is stella is quite verifiable. Employee of Genuine is nice for you to tell us, why not get an account, revert your assumptive error and edit stuff that is not only directly involving your employer, but other things you may have a more nuetral bias in. I'll leave your removal of the simple fact, if only to keep far far away from 3RR. -- Unixham 01:20, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I have knowledge of the stella beyond the average joe, including knowlege of just about everything that's ever been published on them. I could go to town on this section since it's vastly simplifying LML's lineup into the one model that sounds most similar to stella. LML manufactured at least 7 different models based on the PX, just within the last five years. i've got printed parts manuals for each of them on my bookshelf next to my desk. In reality, there are vast differences between the star and the stella and the star is probably one of the two LML models that stella shares the least in common with. the Star was the bargain basement model. no disc brakes, no battery, no oil injection, three port instead of five port, no reed valve, different cowls, floor mats instead of rails, six spring clutch instead of 7-spring clutch, and a host of other differences. The stella is as much a star as a P125 is a T5. i could go over how the stella name was come up with but that'd be original research since it's never been published, and therefore inadmissible in wikapedia. while linguistically stella does mean star in italian, to put it in this article in the context it was used in is misleading because it implies that star and the stella are identical, and they are not. 68.166.82.115 22:30, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Don't you think this section is rather trivial? Is it necessary in an encyclopedia? — hippi ippi ++ ++ 09:24, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
The section violates WP:TRIVIA, WP:EMBED, and WP:IINFO. The fact that any given person owns a Vespa is trivial and not notable. What can be done is have a section showing that certain instances of Vespas in pop culture helped improve sales, but would need to be well referenced. As it is, the only such comment is on Roman Holiday, but is WP:OR as it stands now.-- SeizureDog 17:11, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
I removed 2 pictures today. One is the Russian scooter. It is not a Vespa nor is it a decent copy. The reference link calls it "a perfect Russian copy of the most famous scooter of the world!". It is as much of a copy as the Bajaj Chetak looks like a Vespa. I also removed the picture of the 2 vespa's. What are they? New when? I would like to delete the picture of the 150 as it is not a very good picture at all.-- Rally180 05:40, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I removed the Primavera picture. Not a very good picture of a small frame. It would be nice if there were a proper primi picture to show the differences between a large & small frame. -- Rally180 19:49, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
"Vespa was much more widely used in the 1950s and 60s, when it also became the adopted vehicle of choice for the UK youth-culture known as Mods."
Did Mods really prefer Vespas, or just scooters in general? If I understand correctly, Mods would ride either Vespas or Lambrettas, or maybe even Heinkel Tourists if they had enough money or BSA Sunbeams if they weren't yet clued in to BSA Sunbeams' quality problems. Respectfully, SamBlob 16:53, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
The principal scooters ridden by mods were Vespas & Lambrettas not Heinkels & BSA's. Understand the huge rivalry between with the rockers that rode Nortons. Triumphs & BSA's. "I ride a GS scooter with my hair cut neat" The Who. -- Rally180 21:40, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
The Lambretta was THE mod scooter, followed by the Vespa. I'd ignore The Who reference as irrelevant. Any brief analysis of period photographs will show that the Lammie was much more popular than the Vespa, sales figures will confirm this. It wasn't a case of a particular brand of scooter being more fashionable though, more a case of availability - most other scooters either came on the market after the mod scooter boom years, or were old when the scene was born. Either they wouldn't be available or they were seen as 'old mans bikes'. There were a few exceptions - off the top of my head I'd say that the Durkopp Dianna, Capri and Moto Rumi Bol d'Or were popular to a lesser extent. This is the problem with trying to write this 40 or 50 years after the event - pop culture (read Quadrophenia!) colours memories and perceptions. Richard Barnes' book 'Mods' is maybe still the best source of pictoral information from this period
Scooternik (
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00:22, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Re posted from the talk page of Trident13
As far as I can tell it is a commercial endevour. I think it has more to do with ride-share than a vespa article. If there was something noteable other than the use of Vespa's then I say include it. Just my opinion. -- Rally180 21:47, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Thankfully, Rally180 reverted an edit by a well known editor, and reinserted what was seen as a "trivia" section. I kind of understand where this editor is coming from, but have always personally had the perspective that if you don't appreciate how important films and star-riders were to the development of the Vespa as a global icon, you probably don't understand Vespa or its communal/comeraderie culture. I think the section is getting a bit long, but I don't want to lose the information contained within. Anyone have any thoughts? Rgds, - Trident13 14:56, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I'd lose this whole list. Its a bit 'patting oneself on the back' and TBH most of these celebrities are not really celebrities at all. Ditto the films list.... its too anoraky.
Scooternik (
talk)
00:25, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
There are lots of wonderful references at the end of this article. HOWEVER, only 10 of them are linked within the main text. This seems to be an error--because as it stands now, most of the article appears completely unreferenced. I don't know how to fix, unfortunately. Williamroy3 ( talk) 20:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Woops! Sorry--In fact it turns out that much of the article is indeed unreferenced, and that the bulk of the references are for the "Famous Vespa Riders" section. This seems very not good. This article is full of material that cries out for references. Williamroy3 ( talk) 20:37, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
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Is there any reason not to have this image in the article? I find it reasonable to have at least one picture of a current model in the article. However, for greater visual variety, perhaps the 1998 and 2008 pictures could be moved further apart?-- Father Goose ( talk) 00:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm just passing through, but as a general comment - the article looks great, with a bit more referencing you'd probably get a WP:GA - until you get to the "famous people with Vespas" list. Which reads as a "sort of famous people whose buttocks have touched a Vespa" list. Lisa Rogers may have many achievements, but contributing to the mystique of the Vespa is not one of them. The trouble is that any list like that is pretty much fundamentally flawed because everyone starts adding their pet favourite. Much better to avoid a straight list and incorporate into the history sections a handful of people who have genuinely contributed to the development of the brand. Ditto with the films - I'd be tempted to shift most of them into a new article "Scooters in popular culture" or some such. While those articles often get non-encyclopaedic, Champagne in popular culture is an example of one that gets it "right" IMO. Incorporate or splinter out that stuff, add a few more references, and you should be on for GA. FlagSteward ( talk) 15:30, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Firstly lets look at the innacuracies on this page:
The Vespa owes very little to the Cushman (or its predecessor, the Welbike) other than its step through frame, which in turn can be traced back to step through motorised scooters from the mid 1920s, I'll find some source material to give examples. The Lambretta owes more to the Wellbike than the Vespa with its tubular spar frame. While the Vespa wasn't the first vehicle to use a monocoque frame, it was certainly almost unique in the scooter world and possibly owes nothing to any other two wheeled vehicle. It most certainly isn't a spar framed machine and never has been. It is a pressed steel monocoque frame with two stengthening struts across the floor area.
The glove box area is not a 'twin skin' arrangement. Until (possibly) the newer automatic Vespas, it has always been a single sheet of steel. The tool or glove box wasn't a feature until the mid sixties, 20 years after the first Vespas.
The story of the naming of the scooter is also somewhat dubious - D'Asconio has denied this story (As far as I know there is no confirned reference to it from Enrico Piaggio either) and also it is claimed that the name has come from the top down view of the Vespa which does lend itself to the wasp shape. Again, I'm happy to find the source for that (Scootering magazine IIRC)
Ommissions:
While the Vespa is best known in the public eye as a place to hang copious amounts of chrome plated accesories, the custom scooter scene is heavily dependant on these machines, so why no mention of this and the whole scooterist/scooterboy scene worldwide that has spring up over the last 30 years?
Also, small frame Vespas are reknown for their handling abilities, so reference to their performance on the track may be needed? Norrie Kerrs LC SS90s for example, or Terry Franklands black beasts of the 80s, and then perhaps onto the german streetfighters of today, nicely dovetailing into the racing article?
Yours in scootering etc Scooternik ( talk) 00:44, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
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At a meeting on June 3, 2010 in Milan (Italy) chaired by Roberto Colaninno, the Board of Directors of Piaggio & C. S.p.A. approved the strategic guidelines and industrial plan of a new Piaggio Group initiative in India for the production and sale of two-wheel vehicles, beginning with a Vespa LX 125 model specially developed for the Indian market, according to a communication from Piaggio Italy.The plan approved by the Piaggio Board of Directors provides for the construction of a new facility in India to produce up to 150,000 units/year and the launch of a Vespa LX 125 model by the end of 2012. The Plan will entail investments totalling 30 million euro (Rs 168.7 crore approximately) in financial years 2010 and 2011, with the goal of achieving revenues of approximately 70 million euro (Rs 393.61 crore approximately) in 2015 – when investment payback is projected – on sales of approximately 110,000 scooters. The investment is covered by the programmes drawn up under the Three-Year Plan approved by the Group Board of Directors on 2 July 2009. The new Piaggio industrial initiative in India will have the support of the Group’s local industrial and commercial operations through the Piaggio Vehicles Private Ltd. subsidiary, whose extraordinary growth – from 35,000 vehicles produced and sold in 2003 to more than 182,000 in 2009 – has established Piaggio as the leader in three-wheel light commercial vehicles on the Indian market. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.177.132.253 ( talk) 07:30, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Greetings Vespa Editors,
I was trying to find a discussion about why an external link was deleted. In January 2007, a link was added to this Vespa page that pointed to http://italy.culturaltravel.net and the description for that link was "cultural exploration on a Vespa."
Now, more than 3 years later, it seems that link has been removed and I was tying to figure out why. Can someone tell me where I would find the discussion about keeping/deleting that link?
Many Thanks!
Quietleader ( talk) 01:09, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
There is no mention of the Vespa 946. Originally called Vespa Quarantesei ('46' in italian) there are reports that at a meeting in Milan production of these vehicles would begin in the USA [1].
The 946 has been featured on the Vespa website saying:
At EICMA 2011 the Vespa 946 unveils a possible future with a tribute to the MP6, the original prototype and progenitor of the world’s most famous scooter, an unsurpassed example of Italian style and creativity. By distilling the essence of a scooter that changed the style of individual mobility forever and enhancing the lines that secured its success, the Pontedera Style Centre has projected the Vespa into a possible future where references and projections, tradition and innovation, merge seamlessly. The vibrant heart of the Vespa 946 is a state-of-the-art engine that paves the way for forthcoming advances, with low fuel consumption and minimal exhaust and noise emissions.
File:Http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/04/18/automobiles/wheels-946/wheels-946-blog480.jpg
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There has to be changed a couple items in the article. The LX, LXV and S aren't produced anymore, so they have to be removed from current. While there are a lot of them, on 1 May 2014 the last LX was rolled out the factory. Those models are replaced by the Primavera and Sprint. Sprint will follow the Vespa S footsteps, and the Primavera will be the next LX. Available in Europe in: Primavera/Sprint 2T 50cc, and 4T 50cc 2v/4v, 4T 125cc 3v, 4T 150cc 3v. And a picture in the article will fit too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.172.3.184 ( talk) 17:20, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
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Vespa were also manufactured in Germany (see https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vespa#Vespa_in_Deutschland). 89.183.230.187 ( talk) 07:21, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
This is a completely different model like the vespa lx and gts, with peculiar characteristics such as the saddle, the aluminum construction and the horizontal rear shock suspension. He also received the golden compass award 2016. The merger do in 2016 was made without discussion or prior consent. 93.150.218.40 ( talk) 09:53, 3 February 2023 (UTC)