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Any WP:RS regarding Urdu being spoken in Afghanistan?
Urdu/Hindustani is a language a small minority people in Afghanistan might be fluent in due to being refugees in Pakistan and Bollywood; however, it is not an actual spoken language in Afghanistan.
Is there any WP:RS that Urdu is spoken in Afghanistan, not just understood? It does not belong to lede, and should be edited to be clear it’s not a spoken language like Dari Persian, Pashto, Uzbek, Turkmen and other languages of Afghanistan.
2600:1700:158F:A900:4158:88E6:ECAE:69DF (
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00:12, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I am seeing an absolute conflict between two parts....
Ordu is first thought to be used around 1780 by a poet and a outsider saying in 1777 orduzabain is what ots called by locals. You don't see a word coined getting popular just in a while. Sources conflict, second source has more credibility because:
1. It's possible it came late into litrature
Yaverjavid (
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16:16, 23 May 2024 (UTC)reply
June
@
PadFoot2008 See the Britannica version of Urdu
[1]. The lead should be a summary of the body based on best available tertiary sources like Britannica. Your version is not only repetitive (this line already exists in the next para) but also removed crucial intro material from lead, which I see no valid reason to do so. There is no consensus for a change currently, which is why I'm restoring the longstanding version.
Codenamewolf (
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08:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Hello @
Codenamewolf, my version doesn't "remove crucial intro material" from the lead unless you are talking about the mention of
Indo-Aryan language. That can be fixed easily:
I think the first line is basically the standard (with the mention of within the Indo European languages family) and less cluttered as per Britannica. The standardised registered part already exists in the next para.
Codenamewolf (
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10:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I have to keep it short right now, but will have more time for a detailed reply later.
I'm good with Anupam's addition. It's good and basic info and summarizes key points that are discussed in detail at the end of §Origins and in §Post-partition. Maybe it needs some copy-editing and could be interwoven with the preceding text in the same paragraph. Also, it's not redundant. Official status and the emergence of a vital literary language in the 18th century (after long centuries in the "shadow" of Persian) are two different things.
I disagree with the modification of the opening sentence by @PadFoot2008. First, it repeats the second paragraph; further, the analogy with BCD (Bosnian–Croatian–Serbian) is not helpful. We need to represent Urdu in the manner following the vast majority of reliable sources. This was part of previous discussions. Sure, Urdu is a standardised variety in the Hindi–Urdu gamut (btw, calling the latter "Hindustani" is not necessarily the preferred choice of the vast majority of reliable sources; that's another story). But this is not how most RS primarily characterize Urdu. In the first place, it's described as a language that is the national language of Pakistan etc. –
Austronesier (
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11:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Austronesier, Urdu is an official language in many Indian states as well as a scheduled language of the Indian Union, it is not just limited to Pakistan. And the second paragraph can be modified to remove the repetition.
PadFoot200811:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Do you really believe that the difference between Hindi and Urdu is equivalent to the difference between the BCS varieties or the Standard German of Germany and Austrian Standard German? Most sources will tell you a different story. Indonesian and Standard Malay come close, but still it is an entirely different case. Every case of languages/varieties that have been called "pluricentric" at some point require individual handling. –
Austronesier (
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11:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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Austronesier, The vocabularies of (Standard) Hindi and Urdu match up pretty close. We aren't talking about formal Hindi and Urdu and their vocabulary, we are talking about standard Hindi and Urdu and their standard vocabularies. I am not saying that the case is similar to BSC or Austrian and German Standard German, just noting that they are varieties of pluricentric languages and are still considered to be so.
PadFoot200812:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Historical script for Urdu
Urdu was widely written in Kaithi, Devanagree, Gurumukhi script.