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Atention: Serbo-Milosheviq Propaganda
No fiction, please.
This is getting more and more ridiculous with every passing day. Are we going to have the University of Barcelona in Belgrade soon? Grow up!
The University of Prishtina, is in Prishtina, it is named after the city where it is located and the staff who teach in it name it. If they decide this is the University of Prishtina, so it will be. Nobody, not me nor you can change it's name just because you don't like it.
You got away with too many things, but not with this one. -- Kosovar 00:25, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Good job Kosovar! We have to tell that Serbian nationalist User:Nikola_Smolenski that “University of Pristina” does not exist. The United Nations administer Kosova and they have accepted the university with the name shown on the main article "University of Prishtina". Also, no one is supposed to add a Serbian name for the university because it does not offer studies in Serbian, and a Serbian official name does not exist. This is like adding to Harvard “(Serbian: Harvard Univerzitetu)...”. Forgive me for comparing Havard with Prishtina, but in this case it is not a miss-leading comparison.
Once again, please do not vandalize with those claims that the university was moved somewhere else in Serbia and a parallel university was founded then in Prishtina. If Serbs really need a high quality university like Prishtina, I wish their government could offer them scholarships to study in Kosova’s capital. It would be a very good experience, not only for Serbs, but for nationals of other countries as well to study or work in a city like Prishtina. They would be fascinated by the geniality of its people.-- Getoar 05:47, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
Nikola, Please face the facts. "Universiteti i Prishtinës" is the official name accepted by UNMIK and the world. UNMIK is sovereign of Kosovo and thus internationally recognised.-- Epirus 02:51, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
I have merged both pages about this university. After studying the edit history of both pages, I believe that most of the contributions to this page have been done while it was at University of Priština, so I have put the moved version at that location. Also, that is the version of the page without the heavy-handed notice at the top. I did not like that attempt at forcing the issue. University of Prishtina is now a redirect. As a compromise, I have changed the name of the university in the article to "University of Prishtina" everywhere. I hope this solution is equally unacceptable to both parties. Please start discussing your differences on this talk page. In the meanwhile, the redirect is protected, so the page cannot be moved back without the help of an administrator. You may still edit the article, if you want. Eugene van der Pijll 19:58, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
UNIVERSITY OF PRISHTINA is the official name of the university that has its own senate with the right to change. University of Prishtina is located in Prishtina and recognised as public university by UNMIK, which administers Kosovo, so there is no reason to consider parallel or even illegal something that is supported by the United Nations. Furthermore, I am ready to request an official document from the Ministry of Education of Kosovo as a proof for University of Prishtina.
How come you argue that most contributions were made to "University of Priština", while I wrote almost the entire article. I support the official name University of Prishtina.-- Epirus 01:07, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
I wrote the entire article except the first paragraph. It may have initially submitted to University of Pristina, but I moved it to University of Prishtina. I also used the Albanian names for the cities to be original. If you go to the Technical School in Ferizaj you will find written above the main gate:
Universiteti i Prishtinës Shkolla e lartë teknike Ferizaj
You are not able to find it in Serbian.-- Epirus 17:47, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
University of Priština Technical school Uroševac
Nikola 10:16, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't see why it is so hard? There are two Univieristies of Pristina in this moment. This article should describe both of them in NPOV manner. -- millosh ( talk (sr:)) 05:08, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Please don't bulk revert like this. "A more objective view" is a very subjective thing. Instead, and by way of trying to take the least conflict-prone route to your goal, drop a note on this talk page, explain what is wrong, what you'd like to see changed and how you would suggest changing it. Simple reverting of someone's work is rather insulting: there is a human on the end of the work you summarily remove without discussion and it doesn't exactly leave them feeling encouraged. So, User:Pjetër Bogdani, I'm going to ask you to explain here in detail why you bulk reverted. By way of a gesture, you might consider reinstating the reverted text whilst it is discussed. - Splash talk 14:14, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I have reverted Pjetër Bogdani's revert because his revert removed a lot of material. As I'm unfamiliar with the subject and I see nationalist icons with regard to Κοσσυφοπέδιο (I'm using the Greek name so as to avoid taking sides) on the userpages of Nikola Smolenski and Pjetër Bogdani, I suspect that this is a revert war of a nationalist nature please forgive any of my ignorance.
-- Latinus ( talk (el:)) 00:11, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
The way Nikola Smolenski writes about the University of Prishtina is not much different from Milosevic's companions. It seems like the establishment of the Albanian university in Prishtina hurts Nikola because it enlightened the Kosovar Albanians and helped them keep alive their national identity. Please do not try to identify the Albanian efforts for education with revolutionary or terrorist movements in the world.-- Pjetër Bogdani III 00:48, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
People are blindly reverting this article, most notably Pjeter who does not even take the time to write an edit summary and Nikola who has been warring about this since the inception of the article. Since I think that protecting this page would merely stem the fighting until I unprotect it, I am going to take the following, fairly hard-hearted steps:
- Splash talk 03:30, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Right, so I had to go a very long way back, but I'm fairly sure the information in that stub is accurate. When adding information, please stick firmly and absolutely to simple, factual information about the University. If you have an exceptionally good reason to introduce anything that is likely to result in wars over national issues, think twice and then decide not to do it. - Splash talk 03:37, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I've studied the versions in the history in some detail now. It seems that the problems stem from whether there are one or two universities. The best I can manage to understand is that the versions e.g. [9] and [10] (by the different editors) actually agree that it was split up in the '90s and is still administered as two largely distinct organisations. The reasons for the split appear to be disagreed upon in their detail.
Pjeter's preferred version appears to not mention the internal structure of the Serbian branch of things while acknowledging that it exists. I'd be interested to hear why that is. I wonder perhaps do we need three seperate sections of the article: one regarding the history (we at least agree on 1970, split in the '90s and there being Serbian and Albanina administered parts), and then one each about the two branches? It strikes me that Nikola's preferred version is significantly better referenced than Pjeter's, and deals with both sides of the question. Why does Pjeter's only do this partially? - Splash talk 05:00, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Hello! I think the Albanian university located in Prishtina (under the name University of Prishtina) and the Serbian university - University of Pristina at Mitrovica - should have their own separate articles. A link to disambiguation at the top of each article would obliterate any confusion.
I am trying to make a compromise here. Then, let's have two different articles:
1) University of Prishtina (for the Albanian university, as it is located in Prishtina), and 2) University of Pristina at Mitrovica (for the Serbian university; it is not located in Prishtina, but bears the name of the city). Lecheim!-- Pjetër Bogdani III 23:10, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
No, I simply do not agree. The article shall remain as it is now until a comprise based on my proposal is reached. University of Prishtina is the official English name of the university located in Prishtina. Furthermore, it is successor of the university founded in 1970, because it is using the same campus, and many of the professors who worked there before 1990 are still working today for UP (Albanian).-- Pjetër Bogdani III 00:10, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
I think before we dive into RfCs and things, we should try to give this a good go 'in-house' so to speak. I think the diacritic-or-not in the title of the article is less important than its content. I also think that the idea of splitting things up may make some sense. I can't read the link the Latinus gives above (as Nikola's) but I figure he's reading it correctly. So as I understand things: 1)There was a single UP until the mid-90s 2)Since then, there have been 2 organisations, both of which are still functioning as educational institutions with tens of thousands of students and 3)the 2 organisations operate quite separately from one another. This would seem like good reasons for having 3 article: one on the history of the University of Pri()tina which gives the history from 1970 to mid-90s in reasonable detail without making political judgements. That article woudl then adopt summary style from the mid-90s onwards with a bit of info about each institution coupled with a {{ mainarticle}} tag to the article about the seperate article on each. In the 'See also' section of each of the two new articles, they can refer to the other and back to the history article. If it helps with agreement, we can call them 'University of Pri()tina (City1)' and 'University of Pri()tina (City2)' with City1 and City2 replaced appropriately. (Am I right that they are not both in Pri()tina?). Each of those two articles can pick up the history from the mid-90s to today (bearing in mind we are interested simply in documenting in reasonable terms how they come to be) and give an ordinary description of the University as it stands today. - Splash talk 01:09, 26 February 2006 (UTC) (NB: I'm not saying that this is what we should do, I'm just suggesting based on my understanding and on what might produce something agreeable.)
Hello everybody! We must get official information from the Ministry of Education in Prishtina. It is this ministry that controls the educational system in Kosovo and not the government of Belgrade. Then, shall we see that the University of Prishtina is the one founded in 1970 and the one in Mitrovica is just another school founded recently. Or better to say, the University of Pristina was founded in 1989 by Milosevic who now has been sent to the Hague. Thus we can say that University of Pristina at Mitrovica is an exiled university, but we should also consider the circumstances in which it went to exile. Do not forget that the Serbian efforts to terminate education in Albanian led to war and because of this war Milosevic's university was thrown away and the University of Prishtina restored on the previous campus.-- Pjetër Bogdani III 03:49, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
I like one thing anyway. Nikola left the Latin name there which was initially submitted by an Albanian user and it derives from the logo of the University of Prishtina.-- Pjetër Bogdani III 03:49, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Now I have a little question for Splash who should be thanked for his efforts to settle the dispute. For example, there is a little imaginary kingdom called "the Kingdom of Wikipedia". And king George I is dethroned in a proper manner by his opponent, Alexander, who has the support of the majority of the population. In the meantime, George I flees to another country where he organized his government in exile. Who should be considered king of Wikipedia?-- Pjetër Bogdani III 03:49, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Do you want to claim that all what Milosevic did was right? Killing even his own people? Genocide? Does that sound right to you? And "Kingdom of Wikipedia" was just a name for the imaginary wikipedia. You might want to say that Kosovo should be controlled by Belgrade because it belongs to Serbia according to such and such resolution, but actually it is not controlled by Belgrade. This is how your subjective views can be noticed by everyone. You state in your article that University of Prishtina taught the students about Maoism and Hoxhaism and other communist ideas. You are totally wrong and definitely unable to be backed by references.-- Pjetër Bogdani III 04:11, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Once again, understand that the Serbian policy must change totally. If you keep support someone like Milosevic, or his ideology your gates to Europe will always be locked. You can not support a guy who continued where Hitler had left. Just know how backwards has Milosevic left Serbia. Almost the entire world fought him.-- Pjetër Bogdani III 04:11, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
I have reordered and added information on the Univ.of Prishtina. This information was added using a document that was sent to me by the international office of the University of Prishtina. Should anyone want to see the email, I can provide it on request. Thank you. Ilir pz 16:48, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
This is serbian propagander face. They dident pay money to build this UNI, they have stil the banks from the class rooms, they have burned this UNI. And now they say thate this is "UNIVERSITETI OF PRIšTINA". Shame on all wikipedians and the administrator Christ 0 -
The name is: In sq.L = "UNIVERSITETI I PRISHTINËS" IN latin.L = "UNIVERSITAS STUDIORUM PRISHTINIENSIS" - Hipi
The serbian propaganders dont know to translet from albanian. See : Serbian: Univerzitet u Prištini in english University in Prishtina
Go and learn albanian languge, so you cann bee more effectiv hhahah. a
ALL I CAN DO HERE IS QUOTE THIS GUY:
Good job Kosovar! We have to tell that Serbian nationalist User:Nikola_Smolenski that “University of Pristina” does not exist. The United Nations administer Kosova and they have accepted the university with the name shown on the main article "University of Prishtina". Also, no one is supposed to add a Serbian name for the university because it does not offer studies in Serbian, and a Serbian official name does not exist. This is like adding to Harvard “(Serbian: Harvard Univerzitetu)...”. Forgive me for comparing Havard with Prishtina, but in this case it is not a miss-leading comparison.
Once again, please do not vandalize with those claims that the university was moved somewhere else in Serbia and a parallel university was founded then in Prishtina. If Serbs really need a high quality university like Prishtina, I wish their government could offer them scholarships to study in Kosova’s capital. It would be a very good experience, not only for Serbs, but for nationals of other countries as well to study or work in a city like Prishtina. They would be fascinated by the geniality of its people.--Getoar 05:47, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT: THE KOSOVAR GOVERNMENT IS ABLE AND WILLING TO FOUND THE UNIVERSITY OF PRISHTINA OR THE KOSOVAR UNIVERSITY IN ANY SERBIAN CITY. WHY NOT? LIKE THE UNIVERSITY OF NEW YORK IN SKOPJE. THIS WOULD BE FOR THOSE NATIONALS OF SERBIA WHO DREAM OF STUDYING IN KOSOVO/EUROPE AND DO NOT HAVE THE CHANCE TO DO IT, SO THEY CAN FEEL A LITTLE OF THAT AT HOME. BUT JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW, IF SERBS MISUSE THE NAME PRISHTINA THEN THEY'LL HAVE THEIR..... KICKED. --
Pjetër Bogdani III
00:29, 23 August 2006 (UTC)