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One thing this article lacks is an explanation of how it came to pass that in each state the Republicans and Democrats have their primaries at the same time. Such a high degree of co-ordination and co-operation by two rival political parties would probably be criticized as collusion in most countries. While it may seem natural to many Americans, I can't be the only non-American who finds this puzzling. Also, although this article might not be the best place for it, there seems to be no article that explains how third-party candidates get on the presidential ballot.-- Indefatigable 18:03, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Jg og 2 ( talk) 13:53, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Though I have read throughtly yet, I agree that the article lacks explantions for non-American readers. For example, I was looking for the difference between Primary and caucus but it doesn't say anything. Oh, although it is probably obviously for almost everyone that the US is two party system, the article should mention that. To my knowldge, I think theoretically possible to run for the president if you are not a member of political parties. In short, my impression is that the article is written by Americans for Americans. Any input from non-American should be helpful. -- Taku 20:42, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC)
Are primaries for members or for everyone? How does one get the right to vote in a primary for a certain party? Do all parties have primaries, or only the major parties? Is it required by law, or just common practice? Is the infrastructure for the voting party or government infrastructure, e.g. who counts the votes after a primary? Does voting in a primary have any consequences, or is it secret? How many people vote in primaries? Are they targeted via mainstream media or is it a small and dedicated, high-educated group that is targeted using special channelS? Gerrit C U T E D H 18:50, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
I too am a European, impressed by the American democratic system. I have some questions on the relationship between the national parties and the 50 states: What would happen if a state defied the parties' rules on primaries, and (say) held its primary at the wrong time? California is in the process of passing a law which advances the date of its primary. Does this mean it will be punished by having its delegates' votes discounted at the party conferences? Why did the parties acquiesce in the changes made by those southern states which established Super Tuesday? Isn't Super Tuesday just bullying? Who pays for primaries and caucuses, and counting the votes - is it the states, or the parties? Why do the states have the power to determine franchise in the primaries, when the primaries are held for the benefit of the parties? Benedict Rodgers 14:27, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Also note- Several states HAVE gotten their votes stripped or halved for moving up this year, such as Florida and Michigan for the Democrats. Also, Super (Duper?) Tuesday is neither disobedience nor coordination; February Fifth is merely the earliest date allowed without permission by both parties. See http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/primaries/democraticprimaries/index.html for more info. :-) -- Cheeesemonger ( talk) 11:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I started out expanding the history section and ended up rewriting the entire article, partly to Indefatigable and Gerrit's concerns and to incorporate Rjensen's improvements. There's probably more to say in the criticisms and propsoed reforms sections, but I didn't have time to research them. Fire away. - choster 20:57, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
The history section looks good, but I think it would be helpful if someone could clarify how these two states got to hold their primaries first in the first place. Why were they singled out for this huge advantage? Sylvain1972 14:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering what the states were that held primaries between 1932 and 1968. The current article says 13 or 14, but it would be useful, I think, to list them all (and even to have articles about each one and their history). I can glean from various wikipedia articles on presidential elections in this period that there were, in one election or another, primaries in the following states:
This, unfortunately, appears to be 15 states. I will note, though, that I'd never heard of a Texas primary other than in the wikipedia article on the 1964 election. The rest of them are more or less familiar to me. Are any of these wrong? Are there any others? What states had primaries in 1920, but got rid of them by 1932? Are there any good online sources on this stuff? john k 19:07, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone been able to find a list of delegates assigned to each state? I've been looking online to no avail. I downloaded the PDF file of Democratic Party Selection Rules and even that had nothing about the exact delegate counts. Anyone else have a better idea of where to look? Standard101 ( talk) 13:45, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I think this article needs to be marked as biased. The primary system is not without controversies, and the comments about Iowa and New Hampshire seems to support the status quo. Comments about how Iowa and NH's early causes and primaries allegedly helps dark horse candidates or give campaigning a more person sense should be reserved for a "Controversies" section. There is a debate about the current system. For example, New Hampshire voters having disproportionally large influence is not universally viewed as a positive attribute. SiriusAlphaCMa 03:28, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
this article is hard for non americans to understand. i suggest that it should be simplified for the benifit of the rest of the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.43.236.16 ( talk) 02:40, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Also totally agree. ALL I WANTED TO KNOW, simply, was the difference between a primary and a caucus. For once, I'm going to have to look outside of wiki 131.172.4.44 ( talk) 02:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)snaxalotl
This article shouldn't have a list of dates. We have articles on the 2008 primaries which give full schedules. This article should be about presidential primaries, generally, and throughout their existence. john k ( talk) 07:05, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
This article needs to explain why some states only hold cacuses (which seems to be of lesser value) and others hold primaries - especially since some articles (in 2008) suggested that basically anybody could join an Iowa cacus by pretending to live there and vote for of a candidate - ie, not a very serious voting system. -- IceHunter ( talk) 21:06, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm also confused about the state legislatures' roles in setting primary dates. What is the legal basis for state governments involving themselves with the internal workings of the 2 parties? Is this a role the parties cede to the legislature? Bills relating to party workings are effectively party work, not government work. Is this recognised as a state subsidy to the parties? 209.87.224.87 ( talk) 18:20, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
I just noticed that the piped link for Michigan Primary in the article directs to Michigan Democratic primary, 2008, thus ignoring the Republican primary. I added a see-also section to the Democratic page, and also created a disambiguation page Michigan Presidential Primary, 2008 (disambiguation) to sort out the difficulties. This article's link now goes to the disambig page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewLiberal ( talk • contribs) 00:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Dumb question from someone unfamiliar with the US election process.
Is there some type of point scoring... I see news about this and that candidate "winning" a state. Do they get 1 point per state, or how does it work? Is there a tally of points won?
I read somewhere that the california vote "doesn't matter"... why is that?
Thanks for any clarification.
-- Popoi ( talk) 17:45, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure why someone would say California doesn't count. Florida and Michigan currently don't count for the Democrats because they held their primaries earlier than allowed by party rules. To the question, after the early primaries and caucuses, it doesn't matter who wins the state; it is the winner of the delegates that matters. Because determining who has the most delegates is so difficult, reporters talk about who "won" a state. Delegate counts are hard to calculate because the rules vary from state to state and because the actual delegates (or some of them, depending on the state) are not chosen until state conventions weeks or months after the primary.
In terms of how delegates are allocated to states, for Republicans, each state receives 10 automatically plus a number of delegates based upon the state's population. In addition, the state gets bonus delegates for having Republicans in certain key offices (e.g., having a Republican governor), having a majority in the state's congressional delegation, and the like. Finally, the state's party chair, co-chair, and national party committee member are each delegates. How these delegates are allocated among presidential candidates is up to the states. Some give all delegates to the winner of the statewide popular vote, while allocate theirs by proportional representation. Most apportion the delegates based on population using the vote in congressional districts. Some actually allocate the three party-official delegates as pledged delegates. - Rrius ( talk) 09:11, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
The article isn't particular clear why Florida and Michigin are punished by the Democratic Party. If they have a similar rule to the Republican party in not allowing primaries before 5th February, then why do South Carolina and New Hampshire escape? Nil Einne ( talk) 13:44, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Man, our coverage of the history of this stuff is still pretty bad - not so much this article, but the fact that we give no detailed accounts of primary results anywhere on Wikipedia is pretty disgraceful. We give winners, but no indication of the dates and order of primaries, whether they were primaries and caucuses, etc. It's pretty bad. john k ( talk) 22:19, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I know the Green party of the United States has primary elections http://www.gp.org/index.php probably other "third" parties have them too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.212.193.29 ( talk) 09:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
"In recent elections, the Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire primary have garnered over half the national and international media attention paid to the entire selection process."
Please clarify what the "half" is related to. For example, does it mean half of the column space in newspapers with a circulation of over a certain size? Or, perhaps, over half of the air time on cable programs with a viewership of over a certain size? Evonline ( talk) 04:29, 24 May 2008 (UTC) Nancy Volle
I believe there should be a consolidated section on criticism of the primary system. An obvious flaw, which I didn't see mentioned anywhere in the article, is that primary elections are not held on the same day nationwide and, therefore, primary election results are not independent of each other. For example, if a candidate loses a series of early primaries in "small states" (with few actual delegates to the convention), support for him or her tends to plummet in subsequent polls, possibly forcing him/her out of the race even though he/she might have been otherwise originally competitive in other parts of the country. 161.24.19.112 ( talk) 19:36, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
An analysis of the 2012 Republican presidential primaries shows that not one West Coast or Mid-Atlantic state (New Hampshire is hardly representative of the NorthEast Corridor) votes before Super Tuesday, and only Washington and Massachusetts vote in the roughly-dozen Super Tuesday states (Washington votes only three days before Super Tuesday and no one will drop out because of poor results there, so it should be lumped into Super Tuesday). This obviously tends to weed out the candidates that the higher-electoral-vote Democratic-heavy states would feel good about falling in behind. 69.253.135.39 ( talk) 23:05, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
The calendar schedule is out-of-date. It features the races for 2008, not the upcoming race in '12. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.188.254.223 ( talk) 11:54, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Republican Party presidential primaries, 2012#Merging all U.S. states presidential primary and election articles into one article for each state. The proposal is to merge all articles on different state primaries (both democratic and republican) and the articles on the presidential election (where such exist) in to one single article for each state. See United States presidential election in New Hampshire, 2008 It is possible to see how the 2008 and 2012 articles will look like if this large merges was completed. This issue have been discussed for a month on this talkpage without a clear consensus and the merge proposal is so massive that it would be good to get a wide range of editors to comment on it. Jack Bornholm ( talk) 17:01, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
Its really not clear from this article how much of the primary process is governed by State or Federal Law of the US and how much is just governed by the by-laws of the major parties. For comparison here in Australia we have a similar kind (though much much much less important) of party based vote for parliamentary leader for the Labour party but this is entirely governed by the party themselves, the government doesn't have anything to do with it. It would be good if someone with knowledge of the topic could clarify what is party policy, what is US law (state or federal) and perhaps even what is simply convention or tradition.
Also noticeable is the lack of reference to other parties and independent candidates. I know that like in Australia no third party candidate is likely to win in the current system but if any of this is covered by US law then you would think it would apply to other parties as well? Unless there are regulations written which specifically refer to the republican and democratic parties? 130.56.214.142 ( talk) 05:51, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
This article does not discuss who is entitled to stand as a candidate -- other than via links to ballot access, but that page explains only the requirements for being on a ballot in general and not whether a person needs, for example, to be a member of a particular political party in order to stand for that party's primary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosbif73 ( talk • contribs) 10:46, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
The text says:
As it stands, this is basically original research, but it is also badly expressed. Obama's incumbency in 2012 is basically irrelevant. Romney is a bad example. This is also cherry-picking because the 2016 primaries were not decided early. The use of the phrase "in recent years" is therefore misleading. Also, the first sentence is illogical. "A major reason states try to increase their influence"... is to increase their influence. I also don't know what is meant by "states" here. Is it state voters, state party bosses, state legislatures...?-- Jack Upland ( talk) 03:42, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
Purpose. The purpose of this system is to determine the state order of the 2024 Presidential Primaries (and beyond) based on overall voter participation in each state.
Voter Participation Index The Maine Presidential Primary System (MPPS) creates a Voter Participation Index (VoPI) based off of the 2020 Census. The VoPI is calculated on the number of a each state’s citizens 18 years and older (C)tabulated by the 2020 census, divided into the number of registered voters (R) or (R/C), plus the percentage of the number of voters participating in the Congressional Mid-term elections (M) divided by the number of registered voters (R) or (M/R). The final formula is VoPI =(R/C) + (M/R).
Order. After the results of the 2022 Mid-term elections, the order of the 2024 presidential primary states (and territories) are determined by the highest to lowest VPI ranking. The Iowa Caucus and New Hampshire Primary will no longer automatically go first and second, respectively; both states are subject to the VoPI in 2024.
2024 Presidential Primary Schedule. Beginning Saturday, February 17th, the first seven of the VoPI ranked states begin the primary season. D.C. or any territory are included if any are ranked above the seventh highest state on the VoPI ranking. Each round of primaries is every two weeks, with seven states each, and the last round having eight. For each round of primaries, the D.C. or territory condition applies to the 14th, 21st, 28th, 35th, 42nd state. The 2024 Presidential Primary Schedule is as follows: February 17th, March 9th, March 30th, April 20th, May 11th, June 1st and June 15th.
Vote By Mail. A state’s presidential primary order may change every four years; therefore, a separate presidential primary election, conducted by mail or by voting polls, may be necessary. Voting by mail is less expensive than having polls, more secure with a paper ballot, and generates more voter participation. It also counterbalances states without a gubernatorial election during the mid-terms, when voter turnout is usually higher. All registered voters are mailed a ballot three weeks before their state’s primary, with an 18-day voting period is available to cast their ballots. Each ballot lists all of the major political party candidates. A voter selects a party, chooses one of that party’s candidates, places the ballot back in the envelope, marks on the envelope what party they voted for, and puts the ballot in the mailbox or stops by a drop off location. The paper ballots are tabulated with a Scantron. (NOTE: Voting by Mail offsets states that do not have a gubernatorial election coinciding with the mid-term elections.)
Open or Closed Primary. States have the option for an open or closed primary. Political parties may argue that an open-primary violates the First Amendment’s Right of Association; the Supreme Court has ruled otherwise in favor of Washington State’s open primary process. (Washington State Grange v. Washington State Republican Party 2008). (Note states with vote-by-mail elections have higher participation rates; For instance, Oregon participation rate in the 2018 Mid-term elections was 63% as opposed to the national average of 49%.)
Winner Take All by Congressional District Populat Vote. The candidate who wins each congressional district’s popular vote receives seven delegates. The candidate with the highest overall popular vote in each state receives an additional 14 delegates. The total number of delegates available is 3,787 (only seven for D.C. and each of the territories or 42 total). The first candidate to reach 1,894 (50% + 1) becomes the party’s nominee. To ensure the will of the voters, there are no super, automatic, or at-large delegates. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike Turcotte ( talk • contribs) 22:48, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
Is it Kindergarten for future presidents? Okay, I'm joking - I can work it out from context, and from the first sentence. What I'm actually getting at is that the page launches into things too fast. It should really start with a potted definition of a presidential primary. I'm going to add my own, but I'm not American. It will not be good. Tiggy The Terrible ( talk) 08:15, 18 September 2023 (UTC)