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I am confused by the following statement, and am unsure exactly what it means:
Suggestions that Cetaceans and Hyracoids are not closest to at least some other ungulates are out of favour, and so is the suggestion that the aardvark is related to South American Xenarthrans.
The author seems to be trying to cram too many bits of information into the same sentence, resulting in double-negatives and other confusing constructions. I'm unclear as to whether this is saying that it's currently favored (believed) that cetaceans/hyracoids are related to other ungulates, or that it's currently favored that they're not. I'm also unclear as to whether it's implying that the aardvark's standing is in some way related to the cetacean/hyracoid question. Also, in what way does the aardvark/xenarthrans question specifically apply to ungulates (is it being implied that if aardvarks are related to xenarthrans then they are ungulates? or is it that if they are related then they're not ungulates? or is this just a tangential issue?). Could somebody clarify a bit, as I'm lost here?
The whole "Relationships" section seems to be really confusing and could use some rework, in my opinion. I'd tackle this myself but I'm not sure what it's actually supposed to be saying in some bits, so... -- Foogod 22:39, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Everything in that sentence is stated somewhere else in the realtionships section more clearly, so I'm deleting it. It means that whales(Cetacea) are considered related to the even toed ungulates(Artiodactyla), and hyraxes(Hyracoidea) are considered related to the elephants(Proboscidea) and sea cows(Sirenia). Aardvarks(Tubulidentata) are no longer considered to be closely related to the anteaters, armadillos, and sloths(Xenarthra). anonymous 17:30, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
I can only assume from the definition of ungulate here, and the definition of bear and panda, that the entry of pandas as a type of ungulate is vandalism that has been ignored for ages. Bears are not ungulates. There have been a few questions as to the exact genetics of the panda, but nobody suggests any relation between pandas and ungulates. Thank you. 131.212.62.99 00:16, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Actually not even horses are ungulates, as it seems after all. Due to most other articles related to mammal orders Perittodactyla (horses, rhinos, tapirs) are more closely related to Carnivora (cats, dogs, bears, badgers, seals etc), Chiroptera (bats) and Pholidota (pangolins)... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.118.191.48 ( talk) 14:52, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
I think this article would be much more useful if it gave the common names of animals that are considered ungulates, instead of just the Latin names. For example, deer, camel, antelope, rhino (?), etc. The vast majority of people are not going to have any idea what the Latin names mean, and would appreciate a more accessible layperson's explanation. Amber Kerr 21:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)Amber Kerr
This is aways confusing me, why some say an elephant an ungulate while others say it's not. ERRRRRRRRRRGHH! Why cant they just make there minds UP!!!!!!!!!!!!! From 4444hhhh
Oh, well, thank you! From 4444hhhh
When I read this article I have no trust that is isn't a confused mess of several different views of ungulates (evidence and taxonomy). I find it difficult to have confidence in any of it. The "Orders & Clades" box has orders within orders within orders. Someone who knows about these matters should base the article on some specific modern classification (named and sourced) and discuss evidence and older classifications on that basis. 88888 15:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, if everyone sees my template that I made, well, I want some of you guys to suggest ideas about the template either on my page, or on this talk page, along with putting this on every page. Second, I think we should need a Wikiproject Ungulate as well, so we could make all the hoof mammal pages right. But, like I said, give me ideas. While thinking about it, I'm putting the template on each family page. From User:4444hhhh
Yeah, it was my first time making one, so, I'm sorry about that, but I would love to make a wikiproject on ungulates! So, when do we start, now or later? From User:4444hhhh
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I think we should merge unguligrade into this article. It is a stub that basically compares how ungulates walk with how other animals walk. George D. Watson (Dendodge). Talk Help 11:18, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
First of all, I am no expert in biology, so pardon me if I get some details wrong. However, it is definitely correct that "ungulate" carries no taxonomic significance.
This page, and thus other taxonomy pages, are woefully out of date. "Ungulate" is now considered a polyphyletic term, as it's been realized that the true ungulates (Perissodactyla and Artiodactyla) are not from the same order as paenungulates (Hyracoidea, Sirenia, and Proboscidea).
The original meaning of the word "ungulate" was a "hooved animal," but then it was realized that some of these hooved orders were closely related to some non-hooved orders, and so these were all placed under the infraorder "ungulata," stretching the definition of ungulate beyond hooved species. However, when it was discovered that Ungulata is not a true infraorder, the term has reverted back to its simple descriptive meaning.-- 129.2.165.42 ( talk) 13:24, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Some of the inter-wiki links of this article are wrong, e.g. zh, ja and ko. I fixed the zh link but not every languages, someone who know this topic well please help to fix it. Thanks.-- Lokionly ( talk) 03:47, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
I've been reading all of the relevant articles to try to understand the significance of whether an ungulate has an even or odd number of toes. But besides being just a way to divide a larger group of animals into two smaller groups, I'm not sure whether having an odd or even number of toes affects animal behavior, anatomy, really, any factors beyond just the numbers of toes on each foot. So far, this is the only sentence I've found and it basically implies, it's a dump reason to group animals but we're stuck with it.
If there is more to this, it would be a great addition to the article. Liz Read! Talk! 17:10, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
The domesticated bovinae are surely the most common ungulates known but are unmentioned in the taxonomy or anywhere else. It seems they should be sub-listed under the Ruminants but, being a non-science type, I hesitate to edit the list myself. Orthotox ( talk) 19:28, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
The info about Cetartiodactyla is fine, but should really be moved out of the lead. I'm not sure where it should go, so I'm tagging this up for now. -- Kendrick7 talk 02:59, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
Though I applaud the evolutionary perspective and the resultant revelatory contrary-to-common-sense inclusion of whales and dolphins, it does feel a little odd to have dolphins mentioned at least ten times and whales nearly thirty in an article about hoofed animals, but sheep only in the phrase "sheep-sized" and never explicitly stated as ungulates by their common name, and goats only once. It seems as if sheep and goats ought to be mentioned in the lead section as examples of common, globally recognizable ungulates. Cynwolfe ( talk) 15:48, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
What are the † and ? representing in the infobox? Should there be a footnote? - Paul2520 ( talk) 03:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
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One hippopotamus, two hippopotami. Compare syllabus/syllabi.
Like most nouns borrowed from Latin, it forms the plural in English the same way it forms the plural in Latin. Thus, it is called a "strong plural" (or "strong noun").
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I'm pretty sure "ung-yuh-lut" is a more common pronunciation than "ung-yuh-lait", and dictionaries I've looked at suggest that as well. I'd actually never heard the pronunciation in this article before. Is there a reason we're presenting the less common one as "the way" to pronounce it? TricksterWolf ( talk) 02:10, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
God, this is going to be a mess for people to address. Ungulata, similar to Insectivora, is now considered a polyphyletic group based on multiple sources from the 21st century, even if we consider that Paenungulata was already filtered out in the 1990s. In reality, Artiodactyla and Perissodactyla are confirmed to be part of the clade "Euungulata" which is part of the greater clade Laurasiatheria. The article "Testing the inhibitory cascade model in Mesozoic and Cenozoic mammaliaforms" for instance says that the group "Ungulata" is an abandoned term. According to sources like " Convergence of Afrotherian and Laurasiatherian Ungulate-Like Mammals: First Morphological Evidence from the Paleocene of Morocco", " First report and genomic characterization of a bovine-like coronavirus causing enteric infection in an odd-toed non ruminant species (Indonesian tapir, Acrocodia indica) during an outbreak of winter dysentery in a zoo," and " Placental glycotype of the caviomorph rodent Lagostomus maximus and its evolution within Eutheria," the valid clade name for Perissodactyla and Artiodactyla is "Euungulata." Not completely sure if this constitutes a new article and having this article be "abandoned" similar to Insectivora, just something I find worth considering. PrimalMustelid ( talk) 18:45, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
Why are cetaceans like belugas or white whales or orcas considered even toed ungulates if they don't have hooves? My buddy and I had a convo about it, he said 0 is an even number, which is fair. But when my buddy did it, he told me it got reverted shortly after. So if it's not because of how 0 is even, then what's the real reason? Why are cetaceans even ungulates? 36.93.37.154 ( talk) 04:45, 8 September 2023 (UTC)