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This page is absolutely confusing. It should clearly say in the title in parenthesis "(Organized explictly by UEFA)" at least, as UEFA clubs played some cups which are recognized by FIFA but not organized/recorded by UEFA (Fair's Cup, Clubs World Cup). Aside from the fact that this has no informative value, since it's confusing for the reader (why the hell do we need a specifical subset of 95% of the historical european competition records, if not for favouring Juventus and Madrid fans to forget about some fair's cup and the last 10 cup world cups which benefit Barça? It's ridiculous. Of course, we assume th international cup is accounted as a UEFA competition though it is very discussable... All the whatifs are clearly in favour of these two suspiciously. Not to say the IC was so irregular that there were refusals to play it (some years it wasn't hold, some others were played by arbitrary teams other than the official champions, which should be indicated). But in the title it should indicate the criteria for accounting competition (organized by UEFA, recognized by UEFA, approved by FIFA, whatever)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.102.115.116 ( talk) 16:11, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
This page seems to have changed markedly from when I last looked at it in febraury. The totals table no longer includes the inter-cities fairs cup , but does include the super cup, intercontinental cup and intertoto cup.
In effect this makes it a different table, so I would say the original table should also be included on this page or linked to another page.
Athosfolk ( talk) 15:43, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Why is the Intercontinental Cup used? So its OK for the Fairs Cup not to be, so why Intercontinental cup? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fadiga09 ( talk • contribs) 16:01, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
wrote an article shortly afterwards stating that FIFA viewed the competition as a "European-South American friendly match".[32]
This was confirmed by Sir Stanley Rous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.102.115.116 ( talk) 15:56, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
But this is the UEFA Competition Records, not FIFA. —Preceding
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Fadiga09 (
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09:32, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Excuse me, when i ask a question i want it answered properly, this is the UEFA competition records page, the Intercontinental Cup is irrelevant, seeing as South America teams win it aswell, having it on here is totally pointless and wrong. It will be removed when i have time, any reliable arguments and i will revert.
1. Interesting, so if you look at that first link you just posted, that table includes the Fairs Cup, so are suggesting that should be added too? Surely if it has the Intercontinental Cup it should have the Fairs Cup? I'm not suggesting it should, but just pointing out that both cups are listed there.
2. Those two links you provided are irrelevant and pointless, tell me what they have to do with this article? Obviously an English/Italian football records article will list every trophy their clubs have won? hence Intercontinental Cup is listed, what's it got to do with this article? This is about UEFA tournaments, an article showing that, those two links are about what English and Italian clubs have won in their history. It's simple in my eyes, UEFA tournaments article lists only European tournaments, surely then the exclusion of the South American winners makes this pointless? So, if someone can take out the Intercontinental Cup it'll be much appreicated, i can't say i know how to. ( Fadiga09 ( talk) 09:30, 6 May 2008 (UTC))
I retract my last posts above, it seems like UEFA.com does include the Intercontinental Cup as a trophy, my bad. (
Fadiga09 (
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22:09, 7 May 2008 (UTC))
i dont understand how Liverpools 5 European cups rank below Juventus's 2. I know its on the number of trophies but surely the value and difficulty of the competition has to come in to it otherwise 2 intertoto cup wins = 2 champions cup wins which is not fair! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.66.121 ( talk) 18:38, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Pos. | Team | European Cup-UEFA Champions League | UEFA Cup Winner's Cup | UEFA Cup | Intercontinental Cup | UEFA Super Cup | UEFA Intertoto Cup | Tot. |
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3 (THIRD) |
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2 | 1 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 1^ | 11 |
3 (THIRD) |
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5 | - | 3 | - | 3 | - | 11 |
^Joint record with another club's
There is a bit of a mess when people try to add/update the Intertoto Cup wins. The problem occurs with the inclusion of clubs actually won the Intertoto Cup since 2006. As with the new format, which start in 2006, there are only 3 rounds instead of 5 (as previous years). Because of that, there are 11 clubs, that won the final round, declared winners of the Intertoto Cup. However, interestingly with the new format, the team who progress the furtherest were later awarded the UEFA Intertoto Cup outright. Newcastle United FC & Hamburger SV, therefore, won the UEFA Intertoto Cup outright in 2006, 2007 edition respectively.
Now on the UEFA page, UEFA clearly quote "Newcastle were the only ones to reach the UEFA Cup Round of 32, and in a new system were awarded the UEFA Intertoto Cup outright", however, UEFA still show that previous winners are all 11 clubs that won the final round of the competition, not the team that won outright (which I believe that should have been the case). UEFA also include the Intertoto Cup wins in each of those 11 clubs' page (on UEFA website, of course). That's probably the reason why people in here just jump in and edit/update/add, etc.
The question here is (probably to UEFA), what's the point of having an outright winners and then the bunch of other winners (no less than 10) also listed as well. That would make no difference being an outright winners. There can only be multiple winners if there is no outright winners. If there is 1, then there shouldn't be any multiple winners included. Thus, I believe there should be only 1 winner in 2006 & 2007 (and so 2008 as the last edition) UEFA Intertoto Cup.
In the mean time, for those who are agree with 11 clubs that won the UEFA Intertoto Cup since 2006 edition, when you edit/update/add, please do it correctly and fully. Dont just update on your favourite teams and leave out those who arent. Remember, there are 22 teams in total that won in 2006 & 2007. I have just looked at the page and I can see some teams haven't been added or update, such as Olympique de Marseille. If the 11 clubs won is right then they should have got 2 Intertoto Cup wins (as in their club page on UEFA website), not 1 as it is now.
I hope this confusions will be clear up asap so we wont have any mess on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Viva69 ( talk • contribs) 00:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
I mean, no more teams can ever win again the UEFA Cup Winners' Cup. So the ones that are listed today as the all competitions winner's will be the last ones. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.58.88.108 ( talk) 15:57, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Surely Barcelona should be included in the list of clubs to win the three main UEFA CLub competitions —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.157.41.161 ( talk) 23:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Also needs to be updated the fact that "Juventus is the only football club in the world to have won all continental tournaments (UEFA club competitions) and the world club champions title." Now has to be Juventus and FC Barcelona are the only....". FC Barcelona win six out of six competitions this season (2009-2010), 2/2 european, 3/3 spaniards and the World Club Champions title -- first case in history--, so this need to be updated too. —Preceding
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87.219.205.64 (
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18:19, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
If we consider Stefano Tacconi "winner" of the Uefa Super Cup 1984 (where he didn't play), we must do the same also with Arnold Mühren, who "won" the Uefa Super Cup 1973 (although he didn't play) and with Luciano Bodini, who "won" the Uefa Cup 1990-91 (he was Inter goalkeeper, but he never participated in the competition. Do you agree? -- VAN ZANT ( talk) 19:38, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Whatever about the qualification for the list, the list certainly doesn't qualify for its title. No-one has won all of those listed at Template:International_club_football, or anywhere close. Kevin McE ( talk) 00:03, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
I've removed the following sentences, as they are simply untrue:
Juventus is the only football club in the world to have won all continental tournaments (UEFA club competitions) and the world club champions title.
As the paragraph speaks about "...to date, only three have won all three main UEFA club competitions (European Champions Clubs' Cup-UEFA Champions League, UEFA Cup Winners' Cup and UEFA Cup-Europa League): ..." it is untrue, or at least misleading, to put Juve as the only club in the world to have won all continental tournaments and the world club champions title. Both Bayern and Ajax won all major continental championships as well. Maybe Juve won some obscure title that Ajax or Bayern didn't, I'm not sure what was meant? Niels ? en | nl 22:56, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Didn't Ajax win the "International Football Cup"/UEFA Intertoto Cup the very first year of its existence in 1961-1962? I believe so. ( http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Football_Cup) That would mean they have won all continental cups just like Juve. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.167.139.77 ( talk) 16:14, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
These edits remove footnotes that are NOT core content of the encyclopedia entry itself, and thus are minor because they have no bearing on the subject of the article, though I am always open to a discussion of the following points:
1) The article does not need to know how any team qualified for the cups they won - only that they won them! The odd footnote giving particulars of how Chelsea qualified for their third win is thus meaningless and just takes up space. If readers want to know how Chelsea got there, they will find their qualification information in the actual article that applies to that year's competition.
2) The editor "Talk" page has already discussed and decided that the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup was not organized by UEFA, therefore a minor 'cheat' to work these results into footnotes are not relevant to the subject of this article. The same applies to the FIFA Club World Cup, which the article does not count as a UEFA competition per the TITLE/purpose of this article. Feel free to include these results on the individual pages for those athletes - but they have no bearing on THIS article/entry of UEFA competitions.
3) The footnote providing details of which teams have won the three main UEFA Cups simply repeats the information shown, in explicit detail, in the article itself. This footnote may have been informative in some older version of the article, but is totally redundant now.
I look forward to a rebuttal, with explanation why these "non-UEFA sanctioned/operated" competition stats should, in fact, be counted in this article that discusses UEFA sanctioned/operated cups, and why a footnote that repeats the wording of the actual article (in less detail) should be retained.. Jmg38 ( talk) 02:20, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
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Is there a list of matches of teams from the same federation in all European cups at all stages in the sources (media)? And, accordingly, which federations most often played with each other. - 93.191.73.62 ( talk) 01:03, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
For subsection 'Most appearances in UEFA club competitions' and subsection 'Top scorers in UEFA club competitions', player records include qualifying rounds, but do not mention them in the footnote.
as of 03.November 2022:
for example
Cristiano Ronaldo:
145 goals = 140 UCL; 2 UEL; 2 USC; 1 UCL-Qualifying
197 apps = 183 UCL; 8 UEL; 2 USC; 4 UCL-Qualifying
Robert Lewandowski:
98 goals = 91 UCL; 2 UEL; 5 UEL-Qualifying
136 apps = 111 UCL; 14 UEL; 1 USC; 10 UEL-Qualifying
Hence the question of whether these should also be mentioned in the note.
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so instead of :
' Includes UEFA Champions League (UCL), UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (UCWC), UEFA Europa League (UEL), UEFA Europa Conference League (UECL), UEFA Intertoto Cup (UIC), UEFA Super Cup (USC), Intercontinental Cup (IC) '
perhaps something like this:
'Includes UEFA Champions League (UCL), UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (UCWC), UEFA Europa League (UEL), UEFA Europa Conference League (UECL), UEFA Intertoto Cup (UIC), UEFA Super Cup (USC), Intercontinental Cup (IC)
and all UEFA club competitions qualifying rounds' Miria~01 ( talk) 09:26, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
— Ekin( talk· @) 10:00, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Shouldn't Sonny Silooy be in the List of players to have won the three main European club competitions?
The Sonny Silooy page and the Dany Blind page says so.
Are there specific reasons? 2406:5900:119E:6A79:9577:23AB:97A1:3792 ( talk) 07:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)