This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Basketball This article is within the scope of WikiProject Basketball, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Basketball on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.BasketballWikipedia:WikiProject BasketballTemplate:WikiProject BasketballBasketball articles Tambayan Philippines Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Tambayan Philippines, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics related to the Philippines on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Tambayan PhilippinesWikipedia:WikiProject Tambayan PhilippinesTemplate:WikiProject Tambayan PhilippinesPhilippine-related articles Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the importance scale.

Can we make an article separating the Final Four format per se from its implementation in men's basketball? Aeron Valderrama ( talk) Aeron Valderrama ( talk) 19:45, 11 June 2023 (UTC) reply

It has been proposed in this section that multiple pages be renamed and moved. A bot will list this discussion on the requested moves current discussions subpage within an hour of this tag being placed. The discussion may be closed 7 days after being opened, if consensus has been reached (see the closing instructions). Please base arguments on article title policy, and keep discussion succinct and civil. Please use {{ subst:requested move}}. Do not use {{ requested move/dated}} directly. Links: current log • target log • direct move

• UAAP Final Four → UAAP final four
• List of UAAP Final Four results → List of UAAP final four results
• NCAA Final Four (Philippines) → NCAA final four (Philippines)

– As far as I can tell, final four is a generic term, except in the context of the (American) NCAA Final Four, in which case it is their trademark. Dicklyon ( talk) 05:00, 12 July 2024 (UTC) reply

AFAIK, these terms in the Philippines are proper names, which may or may not be trademarked, and are treated as such by WP:RS. The rules of grammar do not limit proper nouns to trademarks, which is purely a commercial enterprise. Howard the Duck ( talk) 09:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC) reply

I mentioned trademark because MOS:TM explains why it's capped in NCAA Final Four in spite of the fact that it's obviously not a proper name, but a plain description, as explained at final four. Dicklyon ( talk) 05:49, 13 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Obviously, WP:RS treat it as a proper name. You don't need trademarks to transform phrases to proper names. Howard the Duck ( talk) 10:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Some WP:RS:

• GMA News: "UAAP: Final Four-bound NU, FEU edge Adamson, UP to bolster twice-to-beat bid"
• Rappler: "No clear-cut favorites as UAAP Final Four unfolds"
• Philippine Daily Inquirer: "UAAP men’s Final Four: Ateneo vs UP and La Salle vs NU"
• Manila Times: "NCAA Final Four: San Beda blasts Lyceum to force do-or-die game"
• Philippine News Agency: "College of Saint Benilde completes NCAA Final Four cast"
• Daily Tribune: "MOMENT OF TRUTH — Mapua, Lyceum Favored As NCAA Final Four Erupts"

I didn't cherry pick these. Google search did not find sentence case treatment for this specific term, at least on the first two pages. In Philippine sporting terminology, this RM was an underdog from the start, and the higher-seed team did not need its twice-to-beat advantage. Howard the Duck ( talk) 22:12, 14 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose: per Howard the Duck argument. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 11:57, 12 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Oppose: Per Howard the Duck. Seems to be a proper name and it seems like moving it would do more harm than good. Hey man im josh ( talk) 13:03, 15 July 2024 (UTC) reply