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since Tupac died every artist that he had beef with jumped onhis band wagon, i mean look at Nas Tupac dis him bad and Nas was saying forget a thug but soon as Tupac died he claims to be a thug oh yeah big lip Jay-Z too east coast rappers hated westr coast rap but there whole style is wect coast, east coast rap use to be real MC's and west had that gangsta rythym. —Preceding
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This page would have to be moved to
Tupac (disambiguation) because a google search shows the deceased celebrity, Tupac Shakur, as the most well-known "Tupac", therefore, when this move is done Tupac should redirect to Tupac Shakur. I'm using Elvis which redirects to Elvis Presley as the precedent.
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06:29, 18 September 2007 (UTC)reply
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So in answer to your question, no the reasoning is not good enough. Also, 'activist' and the numerous other things he was described as are not covered by 'entertainer' even if rapper can loosely be covered by it.--
EchetusXe (
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00:12, 9 October 2008 (UTC)tupac was awesomereply
Well I don't see what is wrong with rap artist/rapper. Musician would be best if he did multiple genres but in terms of music all he did was rap so it is accurate.
Afterall the first line of his article reads: "Tupac Amaru Shakur (June 16, 1971 — September 13, 1996), also known by his stage names 2Pac and Makaveli, was an American rapper." Its simple, uncontroversial and straight to the point.
The guy above him 'Tupac A. Hunter' is listed as 'state senator from Michigan' rather than just 'politician' or 'American/Michigan politician'.
I think we should just leave it at 'rap artist' or change it to 'rapper ' if you prefer and move on to more interesting and important things to edit about on Wikipedia.--
EchetusXe (
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20:49, 9 October 2008 (UTC)reply
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Hey, guys. 'Tupac' should obviously redirect to Tupac Shakur. Tupac was and still is unbelieveably influential to hip hop and black culture...but he's not white, so I guess that's irrelevant to you people.Indiawilliams (
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I feel that utilizing a pipe-link to change the displayed name from the current "Tupac Shakur" to "Tupac Amaru Shakur" in the link to said article would constitute an improvement to Wikipedia. Though it is certainly not the most common instance of the man's name, it is more than clear that the quality of the disambiguation page at hand would be improved; for example, to immediately resolve a reader's curiousity as to the origins and nature of Tupac Shakur's name, or to further demonstrate the various people and things that have adopted the historical namesake of Tupac Amaru II. Though it may be 'simpler' to allow the link on the page to read "Tupac Shakur," omitting the middle name(s) of the article's subject as per policy, I am of the opinion that changing the display name to "Tupac Amaru Shakur" would be an improvement in many senses and largely make the page more informative.
Doesn't sound like a good reason to mask the link. We can instead utilize a redirect approach since
WP:PIPING#Exceptions gives us that option. The entry would simply look like:
I am confused. You say "let's hear what others think," supporting your proposed version not with substantial reasoning but with the potential that others /may/ agree. I have, to the best of my belief, enumerated the various advantages that I feel warrants my proposed version.
I suppose that my confusion stems from how you, failing to yet provide arguments for your case, decided regardless to edit the page at hand, reverting my changes to your proposed version. I implore you to believe that I am trying my hardest to understand your actions in the context of "good faith;" alas, I am unable. Perhaps you could make clearer the situation?
I agree that
Tupac Amaru Shakur would be useful if this were the
Amaru (disambiguation),
Tupac Amaru (disambiguation) or
Amaru Shakur (disambiguation) page, since then the reader would be expected to know the middle name. Since it's just the
Tupac (disambiguation) page, however, there is no need to use the full-name redirect, and using the full-name redirect instead of the common name may hinder readers who come here looking for the rapper they know only as Tupac Shakur. The full name shouldn't be used here for that reason. Too, this isn't a disambiguation page either, but an anthroponymy given name list article; the tag should be changed. Cheers! --
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03:41, 5 March 2009 (UTC)reply
December 2009 move for Tupac page for Tupac Shakur
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Tupac →
Tupac (disambiguation) – As stated in the previous RM,
Tupac Shakur is essentially the only topic on this page frequently referred to solely as "Tupac," making the other topics basically
WP:PTMs. In the first four pages of Google results, the only hits not about Shakur were this page and a Linux utility that would probably never meet
WP:GNG. The idea that
WP:RECENTISM is a reason not to favor a person who's been dead for over 15 years is pretty laughable. I can't name a single Tupac song, but it's clear from the evidence that the man has pretty clearly enduring notability. Finally,
Tupac Shakur is easily the most popular article on this page, garnering 535,407 views (in the top 200 overall) last month compared to 26,165 for all other topics combined, even those within the see also section. That's over 20 times more views. --
BDD (
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22:51, 22 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Support. This is a given name page, so it should be moved to
Tupac (given name). Check out
Tupac -wikipedia. By my count, 28 of the top 30 results refer to the rapper, one is for the New Mexico Tobacco Use Prevention and Control Program, and one is for "Turbo Pacman," a database utility.
Kauffner (
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00:46, 23 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Nothing on this DAB page is a reasonable candidate to be primary topic, despite differences in notability. One of many cases in which the guideline WP:PRIMARYTOPIC may be completely unhelpful, by itself. Let it be tempered by the policy imperative: serve the needs of readers, not of editors (see
WP:TITLE). The rapper may be found through prompts at the Wikipedia search box. Try it: "Tupac Shakur" appears first in the list once "tup" has been typed in! Alternatively, a simple Google search on
tupac gets his WP article as the first result, with confirmation of the content clearly highlighted: "Tupac Shakur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia". That is an ideal arrangement to serve readers, and can hardly be improved upon. The onus is on those supporting a different arrangement to show that it would be an improvement. NoeticaTea?06:02, 23 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose - Per Noetica. The behavior of the Wikipedia search box will take a reader looking for Tupac Shakur to the right article anyway. The person looking for the rapper won't even save milliseconds if the
Tupac page is devoted to him instead of a DAB. (The person who types 'Tupac' into the search box is unlikely to scroll past the 'Tupac Shakur' entry, which is the first hit, to go down to 'Tupac').
EdJohnston (
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06:20, 23 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Support different move to
Tupac (given name) to allow the base name to redirect to
Tupac Shakur, per nom and Kauffner. Oppose proposed move, this is not a disambiguation page, so it cannot be moved to the (disambiguation) title. The behavior of the search box is irrelevant to the primary topic of the title, and Noetica's disagreement with the consensus at
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC has not yet changed that consensus, and the readers are best served by landing them on the primary topic from the title. --
JHunterJ (
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13:04, 23 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Support different move to
Tupac (name) unless it is also used as a surname.
Tupac itself should certainly redirect to
Tupac Shakur with a headnote on his page pointing to the disambig and possibly also the chief Incan. Ignoring guidelines is one thing, but regardless of them the rapper is far and away the primary topic in 2013. Maybe things'll've gotten more ambiguous in a few decades or centuries, but that's the situation at the moment regardless. —
LlywelynII14:30, 24 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose - this seems like a precursor for Tupac Shakur to usurp the namespace of a very old/traditional Quechuan name, one that has been given to Inca leaders. While Tupac Shakur will be here today, gone tomorrow, the enduring name must be the historic one and not one driven too much by recent events. -- Ohconfucius ping / poke14:04, 25 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Sure, and we should move
Elvis (name) to
Elvis, over the redirect to that usurper, Presley. Age and derivation are not primary topic criteria, and this is not a specialist Quechuan encyclopdia. Tupac Shakur is no longer here either, but that article is still the one readers looking up "Tupac" expect to find. --
JHunterJ (
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17:08, 26 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Support at least some kind of move Even as a history buff with a soft spot for pre-Columbian history, I'm inclined to agree that the modern rapper has become the de facto primary topic by a very wide margin. Time-honored or not,
WP:ASTONISH should be applied here, not respect for obscure Inca leaders.
PeterIsotalo20:15, 30 January 2013 (UTC)reply
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Requested move 27 February 2016
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The result of the move request was: Move to
Tupac (name). We have clear consensus that the primary topic of the term "Tupac" is Tupac Shakur, so the base name will redirect there.
Cúchullaint/
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There is an apparent error in the logic of this proposal, in the interpretation of
WP:PTOPIC. The redirect should be made if the term "Tupac" alone is used to refer to Tupac Shakur in this kind of a volume, not just because it's part of the term "Tupac Shakur" which has a large volume of search traffic. You should present a modicum of evidence, e.g. from Google Books search results, that indicates that the preponderance of published works which use the term "Tupac" do it in a mononymous manner, to refer to Tupac Shakur. --
Joy [shallot] (
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16:19, 5 March 2016 (UTC)reply
Support per nomination here, and nomination of
BDD above. This is an obvious primary topic, sources using this for Tupac Shakur dwarf those of the other titles. —
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13:21, 9 March 2016 (UTC)reply
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