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Tropical Storm Zeta also extended the record number of storms to form in the 2005 season to twenty-eight, seven more than the previous record held by the 1933 season - the 1933 season was revised from 21 to 20 storms (as given in the 1933 season entry) so that should be 8 more (altho some storms could have easily been missed in 1933). (Also note that one of the 28 storms was added in postseason analysis so, as stated earlier in the Zeta entry, there were only 27 storm names in 2005 altho there were 28 "named storms", which is probably worth a brief explanation. To further complicate things, that 28th storm was a subtropical storm, which weren't named until recently.)
96.88.198.77 (
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22:20, 21 January 2019 (UTC)reply
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This wasn't proposed for a while, and while this was a notable-ish storm, here is why it should be merged
The article as a whole(not readable prose size), is short. 11,800 bytes.
Oppose rare from a meteorological perspective. It was a cross-year system in the Atlantic. Very rare. ~Destroyeraa🌀18:17, 31 October 2020 (UTC)reply
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Destroyeraa: yes, but the article is 11 kilobytes. Go and expand it if you want it to remain in Wikipedia. (and yes I am WesternAtlanticCentral when I'm lazy and don't feel like logging in). --
67.85.37.186 (
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18:44, 31 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Well as someone who has published dozens of articles between 10-20 kb's over now 12 years, I certainly don't agree that 20kb is a minimum threshold (I'd argue that's 12-15kb's maybe lower under certain cases). As of right now, the MH is 580 words. Generally season sections are between 200 and 300 words tops IIRC, so if you were to propose a merger, you'd have to cut down on MH. If you thought the MH was overly bloated (an argument I don't agree with BTW) and could easily be condensed in the season section, you could at least in theory have somewhat of a legit case for a merger (though I'd still argue it's not worth while). You are arguing instead that the article needs to be expanded rather than merged or the content should be moved to the season section, when if historical precedent is anything to go by, said content would not directly fit in the season section.
YEPacificHurricane18:26, 1 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Ok. These are my final words on the manner. I am saying it needs to be merged because, the information can be condensed. If anyone wants to keep it, the article should be expanded. Really, I’m fine either one. It just can’t stay at this size.
WesternAtlanticCentral (
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18:38, 1 November 2020 (UTC)reply
I don't see why it can't stay at this current size if simply that is your issue, unless you are arguing for a minimum size treshold for an article to be enforced project wide.
YEPacificHurricane18:41, 1 November 2020 (UTC)reply
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Destroyeraa: it’s getting late for me. I definitely will say it has potential, but we all need to take responsibility in maintaining it. I will withdraw my request if we can get it to 25 KB. Thank you for expanding the article. I will thank you for your edit immediately.
WesternAtlanticCentral (
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01:46, 1 November 2020 (UTC)reply
weak oppose Gotta oppose this one, sure this storm was no threat to land and is a relatively short article, but at the same time, it is one of only a few rare storms that lasted into another year, which is pretty notable.🌀
Weatherman27🏈 (
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06:31, 1 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Merge. This is surely going to have no purpose, but THE ONLY THING NOTABLE ABOUT ZETA, IS THAT IT CROSSED YEARS. If you want an article on Zeta, then you'll want an article on Tropical Storm Wilfred. Or Tropical Storm Julio (2020). Or Tropical Depression Ten (2020). Or the 1432 Atlantic hurricane season. "The 1432 Atlantic hurricane season had no known storms." Zeta's about as notable as that.
🐔ChicdatBawk to me!10:59, 1 November 2020 (UTC)reply
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Chicdat: I’m not so sure about that. None of these were cross-year storms. This record will go unbroken for at least another few years or more than a decade. It’s extremely rare to have a cross-year Storm in the NHEM. ~Destroyeraa🌀15:54, 1 November 2020 (UTC)reply
And I understand that. I can't do it now either, I would but I am busy. As I said above though, I am only leaning towards keeping the article, I may change my mind. 🌀
Weatherman27🏈 (
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16:20, 1 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Weak support - For a long time, I would have said that a storm like Tropical Storm Zeta was deserving of a Wikipedia article, and I still personally believe this is the case. However, truth be told, the reason that this has been so was not because of Zeta itself, but as another user acknowledged in a section above, the design of the Gregorian calendar. This information about Zeta's cross-year notability could easily be summarized in a single sentence in the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season article: (e.g. Zeta was one of two North Atlantic tropical cyclones (alongside
Alice of December 1954) to last two calendar years).
Also, not accounting for this trivia, the meteorological history of Tropical Storm Zeta reads like a typical Atlantic tropical storm. I believe that this section can be condensed into three paragraphs: formation, persistence, and dissipation. Additionally, the only "impact" that Zeta had was disrupting a rowing race. No watches or warnings were issued, and no damages or deaths were reported. Like the
Azores subtropical storm, Zeta's claim to fame is based on a single piece of meteorological trivia instead of any significant land effects or a meteorological anomaly that requires a comprehensive explanation.
To summarize, I personally believe that Zeta is notable for lasting two calendar years. However, this should not be a barrier to merging this article into the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season page. HurricaneAndrew (
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SMB99thx is correct. There is basically no reason for it to be open when it's known to fail. Slightly off topic, it's actually 8:22 PM but one day ago 8:22 PM would show up as 00:22 in UTC! This DST thing is gonna take some time to get used to. I cannot believe I created my account a day before. --
WesternAtlanticCentral (
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01:22, 2 November 2020 (UTC)reply
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WesternAtlanticCentral: I know that you have already formally closed this discussion. However, I saw that this article was being proposed for merger into the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season. As I was hoping to express my opinion, I hope you do not mind reading one last comment.