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Since I'm also a major contributor to the article, I'm not allowed to pass or fail it for being a Good Article. But I am opposed at this point, for the following reasons:
Also (this isn't a reason to oppose GA status, though) since the director is American and the U.S. is one of the listed countries of production (the other two being non-English-speaking countries), I think American spelling would be more appropriate than British. — An gr 22:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I have reviewed this article in accordance with Wikipedia's good article criteria. Unfortunately although the article has been improved considerably over the last week, I do not believe it meets the criteria and am accordingly failing it. My full review is below, with specific comment on any element which I do not feel was met:
Some parts of this article are located in odd place. The discussion about the use of "G-d" in the film title doesn't fit well with the rest of the content in production, it would seem better as part of the intro or as its own section. Also the beginning of the synopsis discusses the lack of narration and the language used, which should be a separate discussion rather than part of the description of the plot (much of this is simply repeated from the intro).
I noted several issues here:
Inapplicable giving short time article has been in this form.
The images of DuBowski and Greenberg are tagged as fair use images. However as they appear to be being used to show what those people look like, they fail Wikipedia's first fair use criteria: "No free equivalent is available or could be created that would adequately give the same information.". Images of living people used to show what they look like expressly fail this test (see counter-example 8).
Until these issues are addressed, I would rate this article as 'B' class. WjB scribe 22:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
According to the article Haredi Judaism, the word Haredi can "be interpreted as 'one who trembles in awe of God'". I have no doubt that's what Dubowski is referring to with the title, but I'm having a hard time finding a source making the connection. I don't want to add it without a source, because at the moment it's still my own original research. If anyone can help track down a reliable source pointing out that the title itself refers to the Haredi, I'd appreciate it. — An gr 19:03, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
But I don't have a source for this on hand and perhaps I mis-remembered. Best, -- Shirahadasha 21:49, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
And should I take it off of that first thing?-- Rmky87 21:51, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
In the section "Reception > Religious", it says "Trembling Before G-d has had a wide impact especially within the Orthodox Jewish world, where the reception has been both negative and positive", but there's no evidence of a positive reception. The fact that some orthodox synagogues agreed to show the film doesn't mean their reaction to it was positive. Was there in fact any positive response from the Orthodox community? — An gr 14:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
The article says:
I think this is totally wrong. Orthodox Judaism prohibits homosexual conduct based on Leviticus chs. 18 and 20, which don't explain exactly why it's prohibited. Unless "homosexual conduct" refers to something other than intercourse and its derivatives (and this should be clarified), the statement should be given without a reason. YechielMan 02:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
If they try, and fail, to find a reason, it's still accepted. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 ( talk) 04:52, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
The statement that was just restored might be sourced, but it's from an editorial and is a subjective speculation rather than an objective truth. -- DLand TALK 13:19, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Where's the nuance between lesbian and male homosexual practice? The Torah admonishes male homosexual behavior, but there's no such prohibition for lesbians. Why is the discussion focused on the delimiting idea of ostracizing people, rather than the Jewish idea of struggling to seek perfection in life? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.94.154.177 ( talk) 16:24, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
The article talks about the Orthodox community - presumably the community, like the Muslim ummah, transcends borders, but it isn't until the synopsis section that the location of the people involved is mentioned. I was wondering about this right from the start of the article, as I was wondering whether Orthodox gay and lesbian jews in, say, the US might get an easier reception than those in, say, Russia. Is this likely? (Just in the way there are female Christian priests in the US and UK but not in more orthodox eastern christian communities). So there are 4 US participants (David, Israel, Michelle and Rabbi Steven Greenberg), one British (Mark), one Israeli (Devorah) and three of unidentified nationality Shlomo Ashkenazy Malka and Leah. Any chance of stating what their nationality and/or location is? 86.133.240.138 ( talk) 10:12, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Might be worth mentioning in the article about the title, that Orthodox Jews do not write out the name of God, omitting a letter in print. It's obvious to those who know Judaism but not for others. 71.110.152.22 ( talk) 03:27, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
The title is an allusion to the word Haredi (Hebrew: חֲרֵדִי), which can be interpreted as "one who trembles" in awe of God.[12] The word G-d in the film's title reflects the Jewish practice of avoiding writing a name of God. By omitting the middle letter, the word is not written in full, thus eliminating the possibility of accidentally destroying the written name of God, which would violate one of the 613 Mitzvot of Judaism (number 8 on Maimonides' list).
I just love how Wikipedia can let you discover amazing things like this, that no other mainstream outlet would, and that this article is well written, complete, and referenced, simply because someone had an interest. Brilliant this Wikipedia thing. (ps, despite how new and wide-eyed I sound, I've been a Wikipedian since 2002.) -- Zanimum ( talk) 17:53, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
This film is a documentary, shot with a minimum of equipment in a consumer video format, but that alone does not make it cinema verité. It is largely composed of a string of interviews filmed at the homes and offices of subjects who are well aware they are being interviewed, with very little footage where subjects are doing anything more than addressing the interviewer, as such it may hardly be considered cinema verité. In fact, there are interstitial scenes filmed in silhouette on a sound stage, contrary to the article, which further dilute the representation of the work as cinema verité. None of this comment is intended to suggest anything negative about the film itself. I was involved with the production, working closely with Sandi, particularly during the editing and transfer. Eric Solstein ( talk) 19:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Uh, how come next to "running time" in the infobox, it says "Israel, France, USA"? I don't know what the running time of the movie is, so I don't know what to change it to. And I didn't think I should just take out the whole line...
CrayZsaaron ( talk) 21:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
"Orthodox jews" is not a name, therefore it should not be spelled with capitals. So I think. Is there another principle working here, that I am unaware of? -- Etxrge ( talk) 21:34, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
That soundtrack section should have a very basic summary of the album in it, per the comprehensiveness criteria of WP:FA? — Crisco 1492 ( talk) 08:51, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
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The article Filmworks IX: Trembling Before G-d hasn't grown very much over the years and must be merged into the parent film article. -- George Ho ( talk) 07:16, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
Fourteen years have passed since the article's FA status. Now is the time to review the article's conditions. Soundtrack section is almost empty, even with a hatnote and a merger tag. If I merge the soundtrack article right away, the film article's quality would be affected. The soundtrack article is in so-so, if not bad, shape. Back to the film article, at least a couple sentences may or may not need to cite a source verifying their info. The Reception section emphasizes more on Religious viewpoint and less on non-religious viewpoint. -- George Ho ( talk) 07:29, 13 December 2021 (UTC)