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I'm working to convert all the references at the bottom to inline citations so the article will meet the ever-changing FA requirements. Here's the list of references I've removed while I find the appropriate spot(s) in the article to attach them.
I have no idea what this link is supposed to be to (other than a study of some sort). If anyone can find the study, please post a link here.
··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihon jo e 19:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
How much do these things usually cost? In the States the cheapest I'm finding are between $350 and $800. In Japan so many public toilets get outfitted with these things that I would have a hard time believing these are Japanese prices. 68.18.96.178 07:26, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I have recommended the Wikipedia website to my students, who are aged 16-19, for research purposes, however they have struggled to understand some of the articles. This is mainly due to the complexity of the language used. The readability score of the article is 10.73, which is the years of education needed to be able to understand this article on first reading. The article could be improved by reducing the length of the sentences, reducing the length of the paragraphs and replacing difficult words with more commonly used ones which would make the article more accessible to a wider and perhaps younger audience. Would any of the editors be prepared to review the article to make it easier to read and thus more accessible to more users? Sarahhcfe 14:15, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
I could not find sources for the following statements from the article, hence i removed them:
-- Chris 73 | Talk 20:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I removed this from the end of the Public toilets section - it needs a source:
Sandy ( Talk) 16:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
"The current state of the art for Western-style toilets is the bidet toilet, which, as of 2004, are installed in more than half of Japanese households.[3][4][5] " This is unclear, is it a combination bidet toilet? Esentially a toilet with a built-in bidet, or is it just a bidet, which is essentially what is described in the lead paragraph: "Depending on the exact model, these bidets are designed to open the lid when they sense a user nearby, wash the anus or vulva of the user (including a number of pulsating and massaging functions), dry afterwards with warm air, flush automatically and close the lid after use." There is no sense that anything has occured before the washing that would necessitate a toilet. So, is it a toilet also, or is it just a bidet? KP Botany 23:43, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the part wherein toilets are cited as a pleasure device for women. The source cited was the Waiwai news, which is basically an English translation of tabloid news. No more authoritative a source than the Weekly World News, if you get my drift. Any objections before I delete that material and the associated citation? KristoferM 18:40, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Good point, Tom. I withdraw my proposal. And THAT's why we have talk pages. ;) KristoferM 06:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
The sounds are actually found in other East Asian countries as well. While I don't know numbers or percentages, I was told about those toilets on at least one other country's airport (Singapore??) and, if I remember correctly, also from at least one further country. As I would assume that this is also an issue of economics (and more Japanese should be able to afford such toilets than, say, Vietnamese), I politely doubt the "Japan-specificity" here. ^^ -- Ibn Battuta 17:45, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
An was made by someone with no username on October 17th, 2006 at 2:48am adding the following text.
One special recommendation for female travellers is to avoid pantyhose since they make using a squat toilet almost impossible, thigh-high stockings are advised as a more practical option.
Also, a similar edit by the same IP was made in the stockings article ten minutes later, removed by someone else one minute later, and remains that way.
Later on, a citation was added by a user for several spots, including the pantyhose text. The citation's article is actually dated October 18, 2006. Is it not somehow wrong for the citation to exist only after what it is citing? This would pose the possibility of JA Huber needing to get out an article on something she didn't truly have sufficient first-hand experience in, hopping over to wikipedia to gather the information that is needed, and using the pantyhose bit that was already there.
My larger concern is with validity of the actual text. Assuming the the citation is valid, it doesn't actually recommend wearing stockings, only expressing difficulty with "nylons". Before I continue, I should state that I'm personally not a woman who has worn pantyhose on a squat toilet in Japan. However, I would expect there to be lots of women in japan wearing pantyhose and needing to use a squat toilet. The text says it's a "recommendation for female travellers", as if women in Japan are therefore not wearing pantyhose?
Personally, I can't imagine how pantyhose would be anymore difficult than panties, slacks, or a lot of other things. The bit of searching I did on google about this turned up little, but most of them link or cite this wikipedia article, and there's even some that doubt the validity of it like I do.
I say remove the entire text. At the very least, remove the thigh-high recommendation, and the specificity to travelers. Juventas 07:12, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
I've encountered asian toilets on the territory of the former Soviet Union, which seemed especially prevalent in public facilities and businesses (though not in residences) in the Ukraine; however, everyone always used the facing the door, not the back wall. Is this an error in the text or is that just an alternative way of using them? 128.195.186.20 12:45, 1 September 2007 (UTC)Adieu
It's a common misconception that toire comes from French. Heck, even my first Japanese teacher, a native speaker, told me that. But check any dictionary and you'll see it's from English. And if you think about it, it only makes sense. The French word for toilet is toilette, which is pronounced twa-lett. toire is a pretty standard shortening that happens in many loan words. Just like anime, the fact that it ends in a common French "é" ending doesn't indicate that it's actually a French loan word. I felt confident wiping out the original source since it was just somebody's webpage, not a real published source. Kcumming ( talk) 05:44, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Not to be overly pedantic, but anime actually is a French loan word. 88.77.19.175 ( talk) 15:44, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
This information is from Waiwai, a column that translated stories from Japanese tabloid magazines with the following disclaimers:
Waiwai hardly constitutes a reliable source, and referencing waiwai when it says it "cannot be held responsible for the contents of the original articles" is ridiculous. Hermeneus ( user/ talk) 21:21, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
You need to be stop of the delete description unrelated the source above. -- Planhand ( talk) 11:39, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
The currently blocked User:Planhand insists on adding the following text:
It is possible to use the water jet on a high-pressure setting for an vulva, and most of the users take for bidet, some women may be sexually stimulated through the water jet.<ref name="Osanai Michiko"> {{cite book | last = Osanai | first = Michiko | year = 1995 | title = {{nihongo|''Coffee of the daybreak on the wheelchair - Sexial feelings of the person with [[disability]]''|車椅子で夜明けのコーヒー - 障害者の性|Kurumaisu de yoake no kōhī - Shougaisha no sei}} | publisher = {{nihongo|''NESCO''|ネスコ|nesuko}} / [[Bungeishunjū|Bungeishunjū Ltd.]] | location = Tokyo, Japan | isbn = 4-89036-891-4 }} </ref>
His insistance is on the grounds of WP:V and WP:RS but in complete ignorance of common sense in the application of WP:ROC, which he dismisses as an essay. He has been blocked on the grounds of WP:3RR (which he also ignored and still intends to ignore after his block is lifted). He has been reverted by several users, many of whom were involved only as vandalism reverters. Can we get consensus that such information is off-topic here? --Blanchardb- Me• MyEars• MyMouth-timed 18:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
It is well recognised in the industry that Toto are a large but not the largest manufacture. The Roca Group are the largest and references for this are
The trade journal Ceramic World Review. No.69/2006:
For those who only care to look things up online: